2020.05.19 07:00 - Paradise Appears and disappears

The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

Adams Rubble: Good morning Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: Morning Adams
Riddle Sideways: hmmm, which cushions?
Riddle Sideways: have lost track of which's turn it is
Adams Rubble: it is your session
Riddle Sideways: ha
Riddle Sideways: like to be an equal opportunity cushion sitter

Adams Rubble: I would like to talk about Paradise this morning
Adams Rubble: what it means in Judaism for starters
Adams Rubble: obvious it starts in the Garden of eden
Riddle Sideways: and the kicking out of
Adams Rubble: Pema pointed out that they ate of fruit of the Tree of Knowledge OF GOOD AND EVIL
Adams Rubble: That points to dualism
Adams Rubble: that Paradise is the recognition that we all are one
Adams Rubble: with being
Adams Rubble: Being
Adams Rubble: or with God, if we like
Adams Rubble: let's stay with God this morning :)

Adams Rubble: what are the other references to Paradise?
Riddle Sideways: In Judism, not many
Riddle Sideways: there is this 40 year walk to the Promised Land or The Land
Adams Rubble nods
Riddle Sideways: not sure it was ever thought of as Paradise
Riddle Sideways: or refered to as
Adams Rubble: it kind of hints at it
Riddle Sideways: yes

Adams Rubble: we have another 28 years to go in PaB :)
Riddle Sideways: giggles
Riddle Sideways: and the concepts of Heaven and Hell are not covered much
      --BELL--
Adams Rubble: Heaven and Hell bring us back into dualism
Riddle Sideways: yep
Adams Rubble: good and evil
Riddle Sideways: Dualism gets covered over and over

Adams Rubble: what happens if we stop eating the fruit of the dualism tree?
Adams Rubble: metaphorically
Adams Rubble: are we back in Paradise?
Adams Rubble: not asking in Judaism terms now
Riddle Sideways: going back to Oneness
Riddle Sideways: no oppositions
Riddle Sideways: less tension
Adams Rubble: we can start appreciating appearances :)
Riddle Sideways: not rating appearances
Adams Rubble: YES
Riddle Sideways: not ranking appreciations
Adams Rubble: recognizing them as a look at Paradise
Adams Rubble: view of Paradise

Riddle Sideways: that peaceful calm place that appears during a deep breath
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: that paradise that always resides in you
Adams Rubble: no separation betwen Paradise and us
Riddle Sideways: Yes
Riddle Sideways: it is right There
Riddle Sideways: Here
Riddle Sideways: funny, how easy it is was slide back into analyzing and dualisms and whether there is more paradise with intake of breath or exhales
Riddle Sideways: is Out better than In ?
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: more dualism :)
Adams Rubble: we are human and can get very silly
Adams Rubble: it is our nature
Adams Rubble: o try to make veerything comlicated
Riddle Sideways: some more than others :))
Adams Rubble: everything complicated
Riddle Sideways: Yet, there is always a between
Riddle Sideways: between In and Out
Riddle Sideways: there is a stillness
Adams Rubble: SPACE!
Riddle Sideways: a One ness
Riddle Sideways: Space!
Riddle Sideways: spending time there, and sometimes forget which direction the Next breath was supposed to go ㋡
Riddle Sideways: gotta ask, how much Space is right there in that between
Adams Rubble: as much as needed?
Riddle Sideways: Let alone that there are people whose careers are to measure the Dark Mater in A universe

Adams Rubble: funny typo
Riddle Sideways: Love diving into typoos
Riddle Sideways: opens up a sentence
Riddle Sideways: the reader was going right along and knew where the thought was going
Riddle Sideways: then bam! a typo
      --BELL--
Adams Rubble: It is ALL my fault
Riddle Sideways: more giggling
Riddle Sideways: for the log:
[07:30] PaB Bell: 90 second pause. Please be silent in mindfulness.
[07:30] Adael: shhhhhh
[07:31] Adael: Excuse me?
[07:31] PaB Bell: Shhhhhhhh! Quiet please.

Adams Rubble: the 90 minute space
Adams Rubble: whoops
Adams Rubble: the 90 second space
Riddle Sideways: the log does not like green and redish-brown
Riddle Sideways: a 90-second visit to Paradise
Riddle Sideways: that is skipped sometimes
Adams Rubble: but I think we determined that we can be in Paradise all the time
Adams Rubble: :)

Riddle Sideways: So, how much is the promise of an afterlife in paradise a carrot being held out in front of you?
Adams Rubble: starting at the end---in Paradise
Adams Rubble: a metaphor gone wild?
Riddle Sideways: yep, you are in Paradise. Now what?
Adams Rubble: enjoy it :)
Adams Rubble: appreciate it :)

Adams Rubble: Milton has Adam and Eve separating before the Fall
Adams Rubble: Eve is the more intelligent and curious of the two and begins to get bored with Adam
Adams Rubble: she proposes they spend some time alone
Adams Rubble: that's how she finds the snake

   Warning Gongggg!  Sim will restart in 90 seconds

Adams Rubble: yikes
Adams Rubble: to the museum?
Riddle Sideways: oh dear and then the World restarted
Adams Rubble: Mugunghwa

   TP to beach chairs on the shore by the museum entrance.

Some talk of Paradise Lost and another Paradise Found.

Adirondack Chair with multiple animations: PgUp or PgDn to change your pose. Touch for menu.

Riddle Sideways: Ah, now this is very nice
Adael: Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes. -Carl Jung
Riddle Sideways: Adael knows Jung-isms

Riddle Sideways: crashed
Adams Rubble nods
Adams Rubble: too much new stimuli
Riddle Sideways: crashs and restarts
Riddle Sideways: yep, was camming around the area
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: too fast for old computer

Riddle Sideways: so peaceful here
Adams Rubble: I like the clang of the buoys
Riddle Sideways: a piece of Paradise

Adams Rubble: yes and there are never any hurricanes
Adael: Do you really think so?
Adams Rubble: here Adael
Riddle Sideways: new laptop has much better graphics.  can see Adael much more detailed

Adams Rubble: It is not a bad place to end our Paradise discussion
Riddle Sideways: nope, not bad at all

Riddle Sideways: was late/slow this morning because of trying to find/research something read yesterday
Riddle Sideways: could only find the 1 refference to it
Riddle Sideways: an article stated that John Steinbeck had the 1918 virus
Adams Rubble: ohh one of many
Riddle Sideways: and doctor cut out a rib to drain the lung
Adams Rubble: yikes
Riddle Sideways: yet, wikipedia does not mention it
Riddle Sideways: when he was 16
Adams Rubble: wow
Riddle Sideways: what to do with a factoid that can not be found elsewhere
Adael: We are born of love; Love is our mother. -Rumi
Adams Rubble: you evaluate the source from which it came
Adams Rubble: most articles are repeats of other articles
Riddle Sideways: yes, many re-postings
Riddle Sideways: then this one and only appearance
Adael: Do you really think so?
Adams Rubble: who wrote it? when was it written? did this writer have access to information others did not? all of those things
Riddle Sideways: will research that
Riddle Sideways: those
Adams Rubble: In some ways we are back full circle. God took one of Adam's ribs
Riddle Sideways: ooooo good point

Riddle Sideways: Sunday, 3 of us sat down 8 feet from each other with 6 packs of good beer and discussed brains, minds, memories, computing, and other fluff
Riddle Sideways: it was a great time to work out with others some musings of the last couple weeks
Adams Rubble: :)

Riddle Sideways: ya see, the dream journal took a twist
Riddle Sideways: it collided with something Zen read to the dream group a year or two ago
Riddle Sideways: Zen read about dreams being an image or images
Riddle Sideways: snapshots
Riddle Sideways: was not sure of agreeing with that, so parked it

Riddle Sideways: then last week had several dreams in a row that really had Images instead of Stories
Riddle Sideways: they shook the understanding of a story/dialog/thread
Riddle Sideways: into a single (photoshopped) image
Riddle Sideways: that was explored with "Well how did I get here?"
Riddle Sideways: as if from memory the previous how got there comes up
Riddle Sideways: and the next part of the image goes off into "where would we go from here"
Riddle Sideways: it could be that One Image creates (begots?? ) the whole dream
Riddle Sideways: well, one friend was saying we store every memory forever just as a recording

Adams Rubble waiting until Riddle finishes before commenting
Riddle Sideways: oh, comment of dream stuff before going on
Adams Rubble: couldn't it be both--some dreams start with images and other dreams starting with a story?
Riddle Sideways: of course it could be
Riddle Sideways: and many more twists.   like it could be 2 or more images that need connectors
Adams Rubble: and we dream during the day too
Adams Rubble: in those spaces :)
Riddle Sideways: we dream of Paradise
Adams Rubble: :)

Riddle Sideways: there is a snapshot image of Paradise Appearing
Riddle Sideways: a presentation
Riddle Sideways: yes, more a presentation

Adams Rubble: I am afraid I must be going
Adams Rubble: repairman coming today
Wol Euler is online.
Adams Rubble: hehe, there is Wol :)
Riddle Sideways: interesting point, a repairnam in coming
Riddle Sideways: ha, Wol is 457m away
Adams Rubble: ahhh upstairs
Riddle Sideways: that skybox
Adams Rubble: that great Paradise in the sky
Riddle Sideways: Ahhhh

Adams Rubble: well, thank you beging here today
Adams Rubble: being here
Adams Rubble: is typo beggoing or beginning?
Riddle Sideways: if one is open, metaphor can be found everywhere
Adams Rubble: begging
Adams Rubble: yes
Riddle Sideways: begging
Riddle Sideways: thank you, for the she sits by the sea shore
Adams Rubble: take good care
Riddle Sideways: you and your's too
Adams Rubble: if you lived here you'd be home by now
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Adams Rubble: bye for now