28-30 - That's What Counts

Sometimes you hear a musician skip a beat, which then opens up space to get into the music further." Eos Amaterasu

                                            Nymf Hathaway: well my heart is in it :)
                                            Kallie Kira: that's what counts

Inspired by the above,
what resonated for me throughout the June 28-30 sessions, were weighty pauses.
I could hear the stops, like one heartbeat, loud and clear.

Perhaps that is why this classic song floated up over and over as I pulled this together?

Like the beat beat beat of the tom-tom
When the jungle shadows fall
Like the tick tick tock of the stately clock
As it stands against the wall
Like the drip drip drip of the raindrops
When the summer shower is through
So a voice within me keeps repeating you, you, you
(Just one part of Cole Porter's 'Night and Day')

http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2009/06/2009.06.28_01%3a00_-_Forstests_and_lies
A Subtle Opening

   SophiaSharon Larnia: Thank you Sophia for yesterday, i learned alot
   Archmage Atlantis: Hemerocallis, Daylillies in english
   Pema Pera: Yes, Sophia, that was a real treat
   Archmage Atlantis: Consider the lillies of the the field
   Archmage Atlantis: they ask not
   Moon Fargis: hmhm i see, i wanted to create new flowers today so i will take care of the lillies first
   sophia Placebo: :) < she is really happy
   Pema Pera: a wonderful passage from the Sermon of the Mount, indeed, Arch!

http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2009/06/2009.06.28_07%3a00_-_God_Will_Take_Care_of_Me

A Call and a Classic Story

    Adams Rubble: Pema suggested that he thinks it what may be what brought me to PaB
    Adams Rubble: the calling was to love: to serve God, and man, and women :)
    Wol Euler: oh but you do, dear Adams. You have served thirty years of students.
    Wol Euler: and your family.
    Wol Euler: and us.

Wol Euler: like the story of the true believer who drowned in New Orleans :)
Adams Rubble: oh?
Wol Euler giggles.
Wol Euler: As the evacuation order was given because of the incoming hurricane, the true believer sat still on his porch and said "God will take care of me."
Wol Euler: the waters started rising, and a police car came by. They called out" get in!", he replied "god will take care of me"
Wol Euler: the waters rose, and a firetruck came by. They called out" get in!", he replied "god will take care of me"
Wol Euler: he had to climb onto the porch roof, and as he sat there a boat came by. The occupants called out" get in!", he replied "god will take care of me"
Wol Euler: the waters rose even higher, and he climbed on to the roof. A helicopter flew over and dropped down a ladder. He sat still, saying "god will take care of me"
Wol Euler: well the waters rose even higher, and he drowned.
Wol Euler: Meeting St. Peter at the gates of Heaven, he was incensed. "Why did god not save me"?
Wol Euler: "oh," says peter, "I'll go and ask."
Adams Rubble raises an eyebrow
Wol Euler: Peter comes back, and says "God said 'I sent the police, the fire department, your neighbours in a boat, and a helicopter. What more did you want?'"

Wol Euler: Perhaps the calling that you missed was the just one way of packaging of Love.
     

http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2009/06/2009.06.28_13%3a00_-_Music%2c_Music%2c_Music
Who says we don't know how to play? This playful session lingered for at least three!

      Wol Euler has been known to sing "Paradise city" by Guns & Roses in the shower.
      Nymf Hathaway: oh nice Wol :) love them as well
      Mickorod Renard: I can just picture it Wol
      Wol Euler: :)
      Riddle Sideways: oh dear, Wol
      Mickorod Renard: will be remote viewing with earplugs in Wol
      Wol Euler: :-PPPP
 
      Mickorod Renard: if I was very naughty,,my dad would play the piano very energeticaly
      Wol Euler: :)
      Nymf Hathaway: Poor you :(
      Fefonz Quan: so you should be glad he didn't have electric guitar :)
      Nymf Hathaway: or drums
      Riddle Sideways: oh dear, not drums
      Mickorod Renard: well, at least I could hang out down the road till the music stopped

http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2009/06/2009.06.28_19%3a00_-_Sleepy_night_for_all

        stevenaia Michinaga: We are heading up your way on Tuesday, if you consider Montreal your way
        Paradise Tennant: nice, you will enjoy it .. just a great city montreal
        Pila Mulligan: festival time?
        Paradise Tennant: I have rented a house for the july 25th weekend in ste anne de bellevue for a music festival
        stevenaia Michinaga: yes, Jazz Fest begins with opening free concert by Stevie Wonder
        Paradise Tennant: wow
        Pila Mulligan: cool

http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2009/06/2009.06.29_01%3a00_-_A_friendly_morning_chat

        Gaya Ethaniel: I think it's difficult to pin down favourite music to a short list :)
        Nymf Hathaway: I agree fully :) It changes over time but grows in numbers as well :)
        Gaya Ethaniel: Has it changed a lot for you?
        Nymf Hathaway: no not really...rock and symphonic rock always was present :) and for you?
        Gaya Ethaniel: No not really :) What is symphonic rock?
        Gaya Ethaniel: Like New Trolls?
        Nymf Hathaway: Hmmm rock artists together with symphonic orchestra
        Nymf Hathaway: I love the working and sound together of all the instruments

http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2009/06/2009.06.29_07%3a00_-_A_New_Friend

        Kallie Kira: you are doing the 9sec boogaloo?
        Nymf Hathaway: well I seem to...but everytime someone asks me I wonder :) and you?
        Kallie Kira: if you think you are, ... you are ... in my estimation :)
        Nymf Hathaway: Smiles
        Nymf Hathaway: well my heart is in it :)
        Kallie Kira: that's what counts

http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2009/06/2009.06.29_13%3a00_-_Good_Luck

Being in Accord

       Wol Euler: My grandfather used to say "you make your own luck" - by being open and receptive to what comes
       Wol Euler: (and by putting in the endless hard work to get yourself to a place where luck might happen)
       Stim Morane: yes, Wol. That actually seems to be true, in fact.
       Pila Mulligan: so let's tune luck back to good fortune then
       Solobill Laville: Perhaps "good fortune" is really based upon the "view" of the recipient of the fortune
       Solobill Laville: So good is very subjective...
       Stim Morane: doubtless that is true, Solo.
       Stim Morane: but not surprisingly, the tradition has its own idea of what is "good" or fortunate.
       Pila Mulligan: so maybe the better termed idea is the relationship of good fortune to dharma and karma
       

      Fefonz Quan: I am sure that there are events in my life, that i considered unlucky at a time, and looking back
      at them changes it completely
      Fefonz Quan: i can give a hypothetic situation, for example when you didn't got to the school you wanted
      and consider it unlucky, and the you find the love of your life there.
      Fefonz Quan: (in the other school)
      Pila Mulligan: maybe that is karma :)

      Qt Core: that almost happened to me... sadly the love i found was IT and not a girl ;-)

http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2009/06/2009.06.29_19%3a00_-_Knowledge_in_multiple_senses

Surprise and Suspension

     Threedee Shepherd: I am reading "The Meaning of the Body" by Mark Johnson and he has this quote
     that is interesting re PaB: Husserl proposed a method of "suspending" one's practical engagement with
     everyday experience in order to allow the fundamental structures of experience to reveal themselves.
     I do not think we should try to suspend our practical embeddedness; rather, we should survey the patterns
     of this practical interaction.This is Johnson of "Lakoff and Johnson"
     Pema Pera: for me, the two say the same thing. 
     Pema Pera: I think what Husserl intended was exactly that the author says in the second sentence
     Pema Pera: it all depends what you mean with "suspending"
     Eos Amaterasu: suspension allows the sense of survey
     Pema Pera: yes, and thereby can lead to more deeply felt embedding, paradoxically
     Eos Amaterasu: not interruption of embeddedness
     Pema Pera: yes!
     Threedee Shepherd: agreed. From one point of view, the 9-sec can be taken as a kind of suspending
     Eos Amaterasu: sometimes you hear a musician skip a beat, which then opens up space to get into
     the music further.

     Eos Amaterasu: Yes, I think Husserl was talking about how to get into "reflection" itself
     Eos Amaterasu: I like this quote:
     Pema Pera: The first step is to drop the identification with "being part of"
     Eos Amaterasu: The phenomenological reduction is at once a description and prescription of a technique
     that allows one to voluntarily sustain the awakening force of astonishment so that conceptual cognition
     can be carried throughout intentional analysis, thus bringing the “knowingâ€� of astonishment into
     our everyday experience.
     Threedee Shepherd: In fact there IS no pattern without the interactive "patterner" is there?
     Pema Pera: yes, that is *much* better, it captures the spirit of Husserl, Eos!

[I just was not ruthless enough to edit this session down farther, so I'll add this and a quick skim will make it appear to be a completely different session? ;-)]

    Pema Pera: for me, one of the most surprising things in my life was the gradual discovery that
    knowledge can be seen as a dimension of reality, like space and time, rather than something residing
    in a brain or in a book... perhaps THE most suprising thing . . . .
    Threedee Shepherd: is that use of dimension meant as analogy or homology?
    Pema Pera: I first began to see that clearly through Steven's Time, Space, Knowledge book
    Pema Pera: dimension not as a mathematical way of counting, now, more like an inherent aspect of reality,
    on a footing similar to that of space and of time
    Pema Pera: (which in turn have three and one dimensions, but that's a different use of the word dimension)
    Eos Amaterasu: And by knowledge, do you mean awareness, or some kind of products of awareness?
    Pema Pera: hmmmmm. more than awareness
    Pema Pera: awareness is to knowledge as motion is to time
    Pema Pera: because of time there is the possibility of motion
    Pema Pera: but without motion there is still time

03 July 200903 July 200903 July 200903 July 200903 July 2009Eliza 03 July 2009
http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2009/06/2009.06.30_01%3a00_-_Presence_and_presents
One Climb inThree Parts

    Storm Nordwind: I once knew someone - a very religious person in fact - who said, "If all religious paths
    lead to the same goal, I for one am turning round right now!"
    Storm Nordwind: I have some sympathy with their view
    Riddle Sideways: here words are failing me, but I see that and yet can be other
    Riddle Sideways: in a general sence all those paths are heading to the same point that I want to go
    Storm Nordwind: And what is that point?
    Riddle Sideways: and I think I hear many others that want to go there too
    Storm Nordwind: What will you/they find there?

03 July 200903 July 200903 July 200903 July 200903 July 2009~~
http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2009/06/2009.06.30_07%3a00_-_Whole_Truth%2c_Objective_View

   arabella Ella: and ... let's compare notes sophia ... for me love is 'imhabba' ... and for you?
   sophia Placebo: imhabba or mahabba :) the first is local spoken , the other is proper arabic
   arabella Ella: we only use the first one imhabba
   sophia Placebo: i teach everything to kids in family , anyone in need
   arabella Ella: fantastic
   sophia Placebo: habba : verb that means he loved , hubb : love mahabba is love too
   Mickorod Renard: sounds great
   arabella Ella: yes although 'habba' is also ... was ... a measure at one time here for a half penny

   sophia Placebo: im not against or with culture or traditions , these things changes as cultures meets
   sophia Placebo: like you and me ara :) arabella Ella: yes :) 

   arabella Ella: well sophia in my hotel in malaysia i had a copy of the koran
   arabella Ella: and i read some parts of it
   arabella Ella: and i was amazed at the similarities there are between the major religions
   sophia Placebo: true :)
   sophia Placebo: not only major even some ancient ones like the egyptians

03 July 200903 July 200903 July 200903 July 200903 July 2009~
http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2009/06/2009.06.30_19%3a00_-_Scripting_Spirits_Around_Us

    Eos Amaterasu: for twenty minutes or so, all discussing the same topic, something that matters
    Eos Amaterasu: and then they switch tables, find new partners, for another twenty minutes, and then a third time
    Storm Nordwind: Sounds intense
    Eos Amaterasu: usually one person stays behind at each table to pass on some of what went on before
    Eos Amaterasu: and there's also doodling/drawing on a pad of paper on the table and finally a "harvest"
    at the end, where people get up and pull out key things to share.
    Eos Amaterasu: it can bring out "the wisdom in the middle"

    Eos Amaterasu: I think the form used here is quite interesting, and seems to work well
    Eos Amaterasu: A circle, an overall theme, good logistics (how the "container" works and opens up and protects the conversation)
    Eos Amaterasu: and also good ritual (90 secs pause every 15 minutes, with the bell(s), the fountain
    Eos Amaterasu: It's all important (congratulations!)
    Storm Nordwind smiles

       "I sometimes forget just how much is going on here!" Storm Nordwind 

Smiling,

-Eliza Madrigal