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    The Guardian for this meeting was Aphrodite Macbain. The comments are by Aphrodite Macbain.

    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Aphrodite!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello!
    Bruce Mowbray: Are you having some trouble with the SL viewer?
    Aphrodite Macbain: not sure what's going on here
    Bruce Mowbray: np; take your time.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes. I was booted out of Firestorm
    Bruce Mowbray: that happened to me twice this morning and three times yesterday.
    Bruce Mowbray: there seem to be some instabilities.... alas.
    Aphrodite Macbain: there
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Candace
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Candace!
    Candace Ducatillon: Hello !
    Bruce Mowbray: Good to see you again after so long!
    Candace Ducatillon: Thank you ... yes, it has been too long
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes. I'm never sure whether it's me or the viewer
    Bruce Mowbray: Aphrodite is referring to her problems with the server....
    Bruce Mowbray: or rather the viewer.
    Candace Ducatillon: oh, yes ... ty ... it can be annoying
    Bruce Mowbray: it surely can. I have just explained to Aph that I got booted out world twice this morning and three times yesterday afternoon.
    Candace Ducatillon: my goodness.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Bleu!
    Aphrodite Macbain: That was my tv installer guy
    Candace Ducatillon: things have not been running as smoothly for me also these days
    Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm finally going to get a flat screen smart TV
    Candace Ducatillon: Hello Bleu
    Bruce Mowbray: Wheeee!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Bleu
    Aphrodite Macbain: Nice to see old friends

    Bruce Mowbray: My TV is still dumb as ever.
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: It just means it can connect to the net
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bleu, Candace, have you met?
    Candace Ducatillon: Yes, we have
    Candace Ducatillon: Thank you.
    Bleu Oleander: nice to see you Candace
    Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks for the email video reference Blue- I haven't had a chance to look at it yet
    Bruce Mowbray: So, at least theoretically, you could go to SL through your television?
    Bleu Oleander: it's a class Aph on Coursera
    Bleu Oleander: on happiness
    Aphrodite Macbain: Not sure... maybe. I know I can get Netflix
    Bruce Mowbray: the one at the University of California in Berkeley?
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: nods, thanks.
    Bleu Oleander: starts tomorrow
    Bruce Mowbray: I will look into that. Thank you.
    Bleu Oleander: might be fun to at least listen to a few of the videos
    Aphrodite Macbain: I am a bit immersed in the class I am already taking called Everyday  Enlightenment
    Aphrodite Macbain: Do I have to pay to listen Blue?
    Bleu Oleander: no its free
    Aphrodite Macbain: cool
    Bruce Mowbray: I have been taking a course in artificial intelligence through UC Berkeley -- The real-life class was offered about a year ago, but it is all available online now. Listens for more from Bleu about the new UC course and happiness.
    Aphrodite Macbain: then I just need to find time.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Interesting Bruce
    Bleu Oleander: hi Wol
    Aphrodite Macbain: Welcome Wol
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Wol!
    Wol Euler: evening all!

    Aphrodite Macbain: Candace, have you met Wol yet?
    Bruce Mowbray: UC Berkeley has some wonderful online courses - - - and mostly for free!
    Candace Ducatillon: Hello Wol ... just now met !
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Bleu Oleander: it's called the science of happiness
    Wol Euler listens.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Wol makes our wiki go round
    Wol Euler smiles modestly.
    Candace Ducatillon smiles
    Bleu Oleander: oops sorry its on www.edx.org
    Bruce Mowbray: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkAtaH-BLvI
    Candace Ducatillon: so many resources out there !
    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks Bleu, Bruce
    Wol Euler: that's a very nice dress, Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: thanks! :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: we have an embarrassment of riches
    Wol Euler: looks like something Aph might wear :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: aww
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- ur right :-)
    Bleu Oleander: kinda out of character for me :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm wearing my blacks right now....
    Aphrodite Macbain: I should change and wash them
    Wol Euler: black is the new black, they say.
    Aphrodite Macbain: do they?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Aphrodite Macbain: that's a relief. I was having a hard time keeping track
    Candace Ducatillon: 'an embarassment of riches' ... very well stated Aph
     

    Mindfulness

    Aphrodite Macbain: So...what do people think of my suggestion to explore the notion of mindfulness?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Or is it a bit tired?
    Candace Ducatillon: A "hot" topic these days
    Bruce Mowbray: Great.
    Candace Ducatillon: no ... I don't think it is tired.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have been listening to a number of discussions on the subject
    Aphrodite Macbain: recently
    Bruce Mowbray: I have been thinking about it all day, actually.
    Bruce Mowbray: ever since I saw your email.
    Aphrodite Macbain: good!
    Candace Ducatillon: We are both blessed and embarrassed by our riches
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bleu Oleander: anything new and different?
    Candace Ducatillon: Mindfulness helps us to sort through it all
    Aphrodite Macbain: I find that people have a variety of words and phrases that seem to say the same thing
    Bruce Mowbray: nods.
    Bruce Mowbray: or at least similar things....
    Aphrodite Macbain: I was at a retreat this weekend where the leader talked about Stopping and Seeing....
    Bruce Mowbray: for me "mindfulness" requires a sort of engagement.... although not an attachment.
    Bruce Mowbray: listens for more from Aphrodite.
    Bleu Oleander: greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/three_ways_bring_mindfulness_therapy
    Aphrodite Macbain: and he elaborated it further
    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks Bleu
    Wol Euler looks
    Bruce Mowbray ponders "Mindful Mondays."
    Bleu Oleander: yw thought it was relevant
    Aphrodite Macbain: To meditate effectively, he suggested, sitting, inwardly smiling, breathing and then paying attention (the mindfulness part) and REALLY seeing what is there (seeing and hearing and feeling etc).
    Aphrodite Macbain: staying in the present
    Bruce Mowbray ponders " smiling inwardly..."
    Aphrodite Macbain: It sounded so much like stopping and dropping and appreciating
    Candace Ducatillon nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: that we try and do
    Bruce Mowbray: for sure, Aph.
    Bleu Oleander: not so much dropping as focusing?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: do we need to drop before we focus?
    Bruce Mowbray: do we need to focus to be mindful?
    Bleu Oleander: at least push some things to the background perhaps?
    Candace Ducatillon: makes me think of my new foray into sketching ... and attempting to really "see" in that moment what I wish to transfer to the paper.
    Bruce Mowbray ponders this business of " pushing things backward...."
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes!
    Bruce Mowbray: wonderful example Candace.
    Candace Ducatillon: ty
    Aphrodite Macbain: I find I also can be most focused and in the present when I draw or paint
    Bleu Oleander: not really backward ... to a less focused on space maybe?
    Candace Ducatillon: I would say yes to that Bleu
    Bruce Mowbray: yes perhaps to a less focused space... I like that. Thank you, Bleu.
    Bleu Oleander: I thinks artists have lots of practice with mindfulness
    Candace Ducatillon: sort of like a backseat
    Aphrodite Macbain: The challenge is to be mindful when we are not sitting and meditating
    Aphrodite Macbain: but throughout the day
    Candace Ducatillon: Much more difficult, but doable !
    Wol Euler: osiyo korel
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Korel!
    Bleu Oleander: perhaps when we need it most
    Korel Laloix: Osiyo
    Candace Ducatillon nods in agreement
    Bleu Oleander: hi Kori
    Aphrodite Macbain: can you say more Blue?
    Candace Ducatillon smiles to Korel

    Bruce Mowbray: I feel that any activity that brings its practitioner into the "zone" -- could be a vehicle for mindfulness. I am thinking now of knitting, computer programming, and absorption into entertainments of various sorts.
    Bruce Mowbray: painting would certainly be one of those.
    Bleu Oleander: was commenting on being mindful throughout the day not just when formally meditating
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Kori!
    Korel Laloix: Heya

    Candace Ducatillon: when we need it most, we are usually rushed or reactive to something. That is when we need to pause ... even for just a few breaths
    Bruce Mowbray: For me, there is a certain luxury in mindfulness -- or perhaps, a luxuriance.
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, Candace . . . That's exactly what I'm driving at.
    Bleu Oleander: trying not to be on automatic so much
    Candace Ducatillon: Those few breaths can 'reset' us ... keeping us more in the present moment
    Bleu Oleander: easier said than done though
    Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder whether, as we stop and observe our senses, our moods, our thoughts, we learn to get better at it and become centred more readily within very disturbing circumstances
    Bruce Mowbray: A state of leisure, and welcoming, and being able to afford whatever comes without restrictions or categories....
    Bruce Mowbray: or clinging, of course.
    Bruce Mowbray: very disturbing circumstances are one of the best laboratories for our awareness.
    Wol Euler: that has been my experience, Aph; or perhaps I'm just getting mellower with age
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: there are some advantages to growing older
    Bruce Mowbray: but getting mellower with age does not preclude our laboratories... or does it?
    Candace Ducatillon: Agreed ... it takes practice Bleu : any conscious change in our behaviour does not come easily. And yes ... getting older does seem to help somehow !
    Wol Euler: not at all
    Bruce Mowbray ponders ;-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I imagine that the more we practice mindfulness, the more easily we can find our centre, our calm
    Aphrodite Macbain: inside as well as out
    Bleu Oleander: hmm actually I don't find older people particularly mindful
    Bruce Mowbray thinks to himself, finding one's calm ( ones safe place -- one's center) --- so important.
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Qt!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Salve Qt
    Qt Core: Hi all
    Bleu Oleander: hiya Qt

    Candace Ducatillon: yes ... and we can start practicing in simple situations to be more ready for the not so simple ones !
    Bruce Mowbray: Viva Italiano!
    Candace Ducatillon: Hello Qt.
    Qt Core: :-)

    Aphrodite Macbain: we're talking about mindfulness. How do you say that in Italian Qt?
    Bruce Mowbray listens carefully.
    Wol Euler: buona sera, qt
    Aphrodite Macbain: attento?
    Bruce Mowbray: AHHHH!
    Bruce Mowbray: waits for the exact words from Qt.
    Qt Core: mostly, no real direct translation
    Aphrodite Macbain: attentissimo?
    Qt Core: i'd like more "esserci" to be here/there or essere presente, to be present
    Aphrodite Macbain: I like that
    Bruce Mowbray: oh! So being is part of it!
    Aphrodite Macbain: being present
    Aphrodite Macbain: accepting what appears and arises
    Candace Ducatillon smiles ... yes, being helps !
    Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps, then, mindfulness is a state of being -- and not necessarily a focus of mind.
    Qt Core: you know, when at school they asked you "are you here with us ?" ;-)
    Qt Core: not even google knows how to translate it in italian
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Aphrodite Macbain: When you set your intentions to be present and aware, it can be transformative.
    Bruce Mowbray: It can.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Miss Tim.
    Aphrodite Macbain: One of our exercises was to go for a walk and be present in every step. Being aware of everything, including the cosmos around and in us.
    Candace Ducatillon: lovely
    Wol Euler nods.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Miss Timantti
    Bruce Mowbray: for me that is the essence of engagement, Aphrodite
    Aphrodite Macbain: It wasn't easy to do!
    Bruce Mowbray: no, because we are so distracted by other things, of course.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I would get fragments of that feeling
    TriteStatic Resident: hello all
    Korel Laloix: Osiyo
    Aphrodite Macbain: Please join us Miss Timantti
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Miss Tim!

    Qt Core: and the more used you are to the route you choose the harder it is
    Bruce Mowbray: for sure!
    Aphrodite Macbain: interesting observation Qt
    Bruce Mowbray: Familiarity often breeds the opposite of mindfulness: boredom.
    Bleu Oleander: hi Miss Tim
    Aphrodite Macbain: Miss Tim. We are discussing "mindfulness" and how we can get it!
    TriteStatic Resident: ok, thank you
    Aphrodite Macbain: our conversations are recorded and put in a wiki for the public to read
    Aphrodite Macbain: Is that OK with you?

    TriteStatic Resident: yes
    Qt Core: don't know about boredom, in this case is more a form of prejudice, i already know it, no need to waste mental energy
    Candace Ducatillon: Then again, I find if I am in familiar territory, when I am the state Aph is mentioning in the exercise ... I am more likely to notice things I usually don't ... as opposed to a new place, where everything is new to be noticed.
    Candace Ducatillon: Does that make sense ?!
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, a lot Candace

    Qt Core: yes Candace, it does

    Bleu Oleander: I thought this class looked interesting too: www.coursera.org/course/visualpercepbrain
    Aphrodite Macbain: so much to learn!
    Candace Ducatillon: Indeed !
    Bleu Oleander: what we see when we think we see "reality"
    Wol Euler nods.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Why do you think it uses up more mental energy to pay attention as opposed to daydream Qt?
    Aphrodite Macbain: By being in the moment, we can see things more calmly and clearly-thus reducing stress, no?
    Qt Core: daydream are less detailed, but i was thinking about how to say it letting the mind on a lower rpm, in a less alerted state, not active on something else  (Comment by Aph - the teacher also used a driving metaphor and referred to this as idling, purring along smoothly!)
    Bruce Mowbray puts emphasis on the word "being" in the moment . . . not upon observing in the moment or focusing in the moment.... or even upon connecting in the moment, simply upon being there.
    Candace Ducatillon: So many different realms in there Bruce !
    Candace Ducatillon: Like layers of an onion
    Bruce Mowbray: for sure! many realms.
    Candace Ducatillon: And we can choose which one to ride on at any given moment ... well, sometimes !
    Bruce Mowbray: And isn't it the acceptance of all of those realms part of what we mean by "mindfulness"?
    Aphrodite Macbain: But being in the moment implies being fully aware of what our senses tell us...
    Qt Core: sometimes i try to forget parts of the road i daily drive to work, just to see it again

    Candace Ducatillon: Yes, I follow your thought Qt
    Bruce Mowbray: all of the flavors, all of the hues. . . .
    Candace Ducatillon: And then sometimes I forget where I am going QT !
    Aphrodite Macbain: really Qt? How do you deliberately try to forget?

    Qt Core: it is not a deliberate forgetting, mostly an effort not to pass over things saying "oh, i know that"
    Bruce Mowbray: I feel that it's very important to acknowledge that our senses evolved out of our environment -- our eyes evolved because there was light, our ears evolved to because there was sound, our taste buds evolved to because there was something to be tasted there.... And this is very important when it comes to mindfulness.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes Bruce. It is an interesting experiment, to see let's say 5 new things, as you walk the same daily path.
    Candace Ducatillon: I like that idea
    Bruce Mowbray: !!
    Aphrodite Macbain: things can include people in shops, insects, new smells, graffiti
    Bruce Mowbray: This is why travel to new places is such an engaging endeavor.
    Bruce Mowbray: It forces us to see new things... if we've never been there before, or if we have never been there under those circumstances.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- travel is stimulating because you encounter new things. The challenge is to maintain a freshness in the mundane. To appreciate the appearance of something you have previously ignored.
    Candace Ducatillon nods
    Wol Euler nods.
    Bruce Mowbray: as QT says, when we go into a new environment it is very difficult to say " I've been here before... so I won't pay attention."
    Qt Core: remembering a few months ago, while driving home, i was almost frightened by a bush, that i passed almost every day for the past 20 years and for some time after that i was asking myself where that was before ?
    Aphrodite Macbain: What do you think Miss Timantti?
    Wol Euler: any fool can be alert and curious and interested while on holiday. The trick is to do that in your home town on a dismal Tuesday afternoon.
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol yes!
    Bleu Oleander: take a new route home
    Bruce Mowbray: for sure, Wol!
    Bruce Mowbray asks his typist, " How many things in this space that you've lived in all these years have you never actually seen before?"
    Aphrodite Macbain: I imagine really looking at a streetscape can be made interesting- if you set yourself the task of finding houses with odd windows or coloured roofs, for instance. I remember noticing a house that had just been freshly painted, and really enjoyed looking at it
    Qt Core: the one thing i really try to commit to memory of my work route are the holes in the road, some of them are avoided on autopilot ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: A very simple exercise to get started might be asking yourself to " see" everything that is red, or everything that is "----" whatever.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes Bruce
    Aphrodite Macbain: or make your observances in some way apply to your life
    Bruce Mowbray ponders Qt avoiding holes in the road on autopilot.
    Qt Core: I tried it Bruce, almost felt drowning in that color and i was only halfway
    Bleu Oleander: like driving without texting maybe?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I often repaint and re-landscape a lot of houses as I walk by them
    Bruce Mowbray: for sure, Qt!
    Wol Euler snorts.
    Bruce Mowbray: I understand drowning in the colour.
    Candace Ducatillon: what an interesting concept Aph !
    Aphrodite Macbain: I try and become creatively engaged in the looking
    Candace Ducatillon: That would keep one's imagination working ... and creative juices
    Bleu Oleander: a hazard of being an artist :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: for sure, Aph! But how do you feel about changing what is already there?

    Aphrodite Macbain: I know I have no right to repaint someone's front porch Bruce!

    Candace Ducatillon: Interesting query !
    Aphrodite Macbain: we were also invited to imagine all the invisible beings in and around us and under our feet - making connections with the cosmos. That was hard....
    Candace Ducatillon: wow
    Bleu Oleander: invisible beings?
    Candace Ducatillon: (looks under her feet)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes. Microbes
    Bleu Oleander: oh those guys! :)
    Candace Ducatillon: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: we are not alone in the universe.....
    Bleu Oleander: all over us lol
    Candace Ducatillon: And we are not our bodies
    Bruce Mowbray: that invitation (Aph's) might involve a sensitivity to the tiny spirits inhabiting plants.... or other subtle beings....
    Aphrodite Macbain: it was part of the boundary-less cosmological way he encouraged us to think
    Bleu Oleander: we're an ecosystem for our microbes
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes! exactly Blue
    Aphrodite Macbain: we can't do without them and the reverse...
    Bruce Mowbray: we are within an ecosystem for all existence....
    Qt Core: a thought sometimes hit me hard... that building, yes, that one, it is full of people, it is not only concrete
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes Qt
    Aphrodite Macbain: becoming aware of the much larger whole we are part of
    Bruce Mowbray: so these thoughts we have about separation...would eliminating them create a situation of more mindfulness for us?
    Bruce Mowbray: there is no other?
    Qt Core: (especially of building far away, enough not to notice sounds of lights
    Aphrodite Macbain: I suppose- it takes imagination and paying attention Bruce
    Candace Ducatillon: I would think so
    Aphrodite Macbain: but it is very energizing
    Aphrodite Macbain: and happy making
    Aphrodite Macbain: feeling connected with the universe!
    Candace Ducatillon smiles widely
    Aphrodite Macbain: grins at Candace
    Bruce Mowbray: also smiles, but remembers that no separation means a connection with those who suffer....
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes-absolutely
    Bleu Oleander: I think on some levels it's ok to be separate, perhaps realizing that on other levels, other ways of looking, we are not so separate
    Candace Ducatillon: very true Bruce ... which brings us to the realm of compassion
    Bruce Mowbray: mindfulness is not always a happy state, alas....
    Aphrodite Macbain: Ideally we should welcome the bad and the sad
    Aphrodite Macbain: welcome all guests into the house and give them a cup of tea
    Candace Ducatillon: and "think" more with our hearts
    Bruce Mowbray: ! ;-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes Candace
    Bruce Mowbray: invite her to sit down at one of the empty chairs.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, accept what comes....
    Qt Core: not necessarily being aware is feeling "togetherness"
    Aphrodite Macbain: say more Qt?
    Bruce Mowbray: listens carefully.
    Bleu Oleander: feeling togetherness, but have to separate myself ... take care all :)
    Qt Core: i'm not usually very social, so even realizing let say that there are people around me doesn't means i like them ;-)

    Candace Ducatillon: there is a difference between liking someone and accepting someone
    Bleu Oleander: byeee
    Bruce Mowbray: bye bye, Bleu!

    Wol Euler: bye bleu
    Korel Laloix: Ciao
    Aphrodite Macbain: aww. Bye Blue. Thanks for coming. It was good to see you
    TriteStatic Resident: take care Bleu
    Korel Laloix: ciao
    Qt Core: bye Bleu

    Aphrodite Macbain: speaking of leaving, when are you off to Africa Korel?
    Korel Laloix: Sunday it looks like.
    Wol Euler: wow
    Wol Euler: how does that feel?
    Bruce Mowbray: Kori is already in Atlanta on her way to Africa!
    Korel Laloix: Sort of overwhelming in some ways.
    Wol Euler: it's tremendously exciting to think about
    Wol Euler: (Atlanta and Africa)
    Candace Ducatillon: Yes, ... almost as a rebirth
    Candace Ducatillon: oh! that too !!
    Korel Laloix: I am sure it will be a new set of experiences.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Will you be able to connect with SL?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Candace, Korel is off to fight the Ebola virus
    Korel Laloix: Oh yes, not going to be in remote areas all the time.

    Aphrodite Macbain: good- please keep in touch if you can
    Korel Laloix: lol.. not fight off.
    Bruce Mowbray: Kori's mission is to explore vectors for the spread of the disease . . . I salute her for this effort.
    Korel Laloix: Just do some reservoir/vector collection work.
    Wol Euler nods.
    Korel Laloix: Not really as exciting as it sounds I don't think.
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's all part of the fight
    Aphrodite Macbain: Being in a new country will be interesting in itself!
    Bruce Mowbray: My fear is that the Ebola virus will mutate into a form that has a much higher contagion factor.
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Korel Laloix: I might get a half day in Paris so going to try and see a couple things there as well.
    Aphrodite Macbain: It probably will
    Bruce Mowbray: Paris is a wonderful city.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Paris!!

    Korel Laloix: It seems to have a mixed reputation.
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Bruce Mowbray: C'est un ville magnifique.
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods - love the city- a great place to walk around in

    Aphrodite Macbain: btw - Qt, how was the Last Supper painting by Leonardo?
    Qt Core: great Aph, even if i felt sad for the painting on the other wall that no one pay attention to
    Aphrodite Macbain: awww
    Aphrodite Macbain: which painting was that Qt?

    Qt Core: already forgotten, much brighter (standard technique used) and much chaotic, it is a passion

    Candace Ducatillon: I applaud your adventure ahead Korel
    Aphrodite Macbain: So do I!
    Bruce Mowbray: It's time for my typist to scrape up supper. Thank you, Aphrodite, for a good topic and a great session.
    Korel Laloix: Thanks.. I can't wait.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks Bruce and thanks everyone for participating
    Qt Core: bye Bruce, enjoy
    Aphrodite Macbain: If you have topic suggestions, please let me know
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have to go and get ready for the TV delivery and installation guys - dusting and tidying, What am I going to do with my old TV?
    Candace Ducatillon: This has been very good today ... thank you.
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Glad you could come Candace.
    Candace Ducatillon: Electronic recycling !
    Wol Euler: I should head off too, it's getting late
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes!
    Wol Euler: goodnight all, take care
    Qt Core: it is still working Aph ? someone may need it
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye Wol
    Wol Euler: Craig's List.
    Candace Ducatillon: Yes ... donate it somewhere perhaps
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes it is. I agree, I'd prefer to give it to someone
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye Candace
    TriteStatic Resident: take care all
    Korel Laloix: Ciao
    Qt Core: bye Wol, Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye Miss Tim
    Aphrodite Macbain: come again
    Aphrodite Macbain: we're here at 1pm daily

    TriteStatic Resident: if it's broken an aquarium, or shadowbox
    Aphrodite Macbain: as well as other times
    TriteStatic Resident: depends on shape and size really
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: good idea
    Candace Ducatillon: I bid you all farewell and may you find some mindfulness in the coming hours !
    Aphrodite Macbain: Byee all. Hugs Kori. I'll be thinking of you
    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks Candace
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Qt Core: :-) Candace
    Aphrodite Macbain: Salve Qt
    Candace Ducatillon: :-)
    Korel Laloix: Take care..

    Qt Core: with this adventure/mission in Africa have you renounced coming to Italy, Korel ?
    Korel Laloix: Actually, this will line me up much better for that Biostats conference next year.
    Korel Laloix: But this year I don't think so.
    Qt Core: even better, you may end up here during expo then
    Qt Core: (it is from 1 may to 31 October)
    Korel Laloix: That would be nice, would love to do my PhD there.
    Korel Laloix: Have to make a call, but might be back in a bit. Not sure though.
    Korel Laloix: Take care.
    Qt Core: i need to go, sleep approach, bye
    Korel Laloix: ciao
    Qt Core: ciao

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