2017.01.23 13:00 - Affect and Becoming in Time

This was a meeting of guardians. Eliza posted this session.

For next week, and the overall outline, please see: 
The Wisdom of Lived Experience - Views from Psychoanalysis, Neuroscience, Philosophy and Metaphysics

Finding a 10 year old diary...

Catrinamonblue Resident: Just very insightful to see how much I have changed and accepted myself now :)
Eliza Madrigal: ah, erased my last line.. asking if you'd changed a lot
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Reading that seems to have given you compassion for yourself
Catrinamonblue Resident: oh yes I have :) I laugh a little at some of those journal entries but the pain felt then was real then :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: part of you was probably asking, where was the person telling me I was perfectly okay, then? I say that because we've both mentioned having difficult distance with moms
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes there is that too. I wish I could step back in time and whisper to her that she will be ok :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) you can, you are, in a way
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes :)

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick!
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Mick :)
Mickorod Renard: Hiya Guys
Eliza Madrigal: Hey, Bruce :)
Mickorod Renard: here's Brucie
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray: hello hello!
Mickorod Renard: Hi
Eliza Madrigal: just glanced at my daughter's instagram, love this: "Keep your chin up! Just because the world is crumbling doesn't mean you have to go with it!"
Mickorod Renard: its been very exciting this week for you folk in the USA
Eliza Madrigal: I mean, one could take technical issue but I love her spirit. :)
Eliza Madrigal: certainly, Mick
Mickorod Renard: well, there is always a chance you may fall down the sink hole
Mickorod Renard: and us following after
Mickorod Renard: he he
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Catrinamonblue Resident: lol

Mickorod Renard: Hi Eden
Catrinamonblue Resident: hi Eden :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eden :))
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Eden.
Eliza Madrigal: Was just telling Cat how much I loved reading this morning's session
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eden Haiku: Oh, how nice , thanks Eliza :) And good afternoon/evening to all :)

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi Bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Bleu.
Eden Haiku: Did you start at 12h45? I forgot again :(
Eliza Madrigal: That's mostly for Thursdays
Eliza Madrigal: For Mondays we're easier going :))
Eden Haiku: Hello Bleu :)
Eden Haiku: Phew!
Eliza Madrigal: I always try to arrive that early when hosting, so if anyone does show up then, I'll likely be here
Mickorod Renard: except I had a glitch logging in last Thursday..and was late
Eliza Madrigal: was a good session!
Mickorod Renard: ayup Ags
Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
Bleu Oleander: it was!
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Aggers :)
Bleu Oleander: hey Aggers
Eliza Madrigal: No one thrown off kilter by my complicated video link
Bleu Oleander: hi Aph
Eden Haiku: Agatha!
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Aph and aggers.
Agatha Macbeth: When did you start meeting on Monday again?
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aggers, Aph :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi all
Eliza Madrigal: Just last week Agatha
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Aph :)
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Mickorod Renard: Hi Aph
Mickorod Renard: Hi San
Santoshima Resident: hello everyone
Aphrodite Macbain: Hey San
Eliza Madrigal: Since Thursday sessions aren't easy to squeeze open chat into, which is important
Eden Haiku: Hello Aph and San :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi San :)
Eliza Madrigal: time to just consider the ideas in the moment
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, San.
Bleu Oleander: hi San
Aphrodite Macbain: NIce turnout
Eliza Madrigal: yes it is, thanks everyone!
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)

Eliza Madrigal: Is there anything being especially considered today?
Mickorod Renard: only the meaning of life
Bleu Oleander: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: 42
Eden Haiku: Only that :)

Bruce Mowbray: I would like to share a quote from Gloria Steinem's speech on Saturday's big March in Washington.
Bruce Mowbray: at the march, I meant.
Eden Haiku: Yes, please do!
Mickorod Renard: go for it Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: This reminded me of the book as soon as it was out of her mouth:
Bruce Mowbray: "God may be in the details, but the goddess is in connections." -- Gloria Steinem
Aphrodite Macbain smiles
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: love it
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eden Haiku: AH!!!! Wonderful !
Bruce Mowbray: I can share the context of that sentence too, if you want it.
Eliza Madrigal: Sure
Bruce Mowbray: kk, just a sec.
Eden Haiku: Yes!
Bruce Mowbray: We are here and around the world for a deep democracy that says we will not be quiet, we will not be controlled, we will work for a world in which all countries are connected. God may be in the details, but the goddess is in connections. We are at one with each other, we are looking at each other, not up. No more asking daddy.
Eden Haiku: Great!
Aphrodite Macbain: at not up :-) yes
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Some profound theological implications there, as well as for our relationships...
Mickorod Renard: very thought provoking

Bruce Mowbray: So, -- don't mean so say any more than to consider something. . . Is a hierarchical god the invention of the left brain? And pantheism, perhaps, something more suited to the right brain?
Eliza Madrigal: nice question and background Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Just pondering -- don't mean to sidetrack the larger discussion.
Eliza Madrigal: not at all

Mickorod Renard: almost was thinking that left brain wouldn't consider a God other than itself
Eliza Madrigal: It is all a little overwhelming for me today, since I had an incident of sorts in the hardware store... still lots of energy going through processes
Bruce Mowbray nods, agrees.
Aphrodite Macbain: are you OK Eliza?
Bleu Oleander: I suspect any concept of god or gods would need some sort of thought and language to articulate but perhaps coming from feelings and relationships with the environment
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Bleu Oleander: oh say more Eliza, sorry
Eliza Madrigal: yes just fine, thanks... it was more an intimidation thing, and I thought I let it go but I spose the energy is still working its way through
Eliza Madrigal reads back happily but thanks for letting me say that
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Aphrodite Macbain: affect :-)
Eliza Madrigal: Bleu, a la Mother Earth?
Aphrodite Macbain: our emotions do tend to override our rational being
Bleu Oleander: don't know about mother earth, perhaps just early on in humans striving to explain the awe they had for nature
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: btw when Maxine says "affect" I assume she is talking about the emotional result of our actions
Aphrodite Macbain: or others actions
Aphrodite Macbain: just thought I'd throw that in there :-)

Eden Haiku: Sorry to hear Eliza :( Steinem 's quote reminds me of something Indian writer Arundhati Roy said around 2001:  "Remember this: We may be many and they may be few. They need us more than we need them. Another world is not only possible. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing."

Bruce Mowbray thinks he'd have no need for a religion lacking affect and a feeling relationship with mystery.

--BELL--


Eliza Madrigal: :) wow thanks everyone, nice pause
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eden Haiku: **********Applause!!**********
Eden Haiku: **********Applause!!**********
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Aphrodite Macbain: !
Eliza Madrigal: and just as "I can hear her breathing..."

Mickorod Renard: was just thinking..as there is a sort of political scent lingering too..that it almost feels like checks and balances, re the left and right brain
Eden Haiku: :)
Bruce Mowbray: wow... good analogy, Mick.
Eden Haiku: loves " a political scent"
Mickorod Renard: trying to be diplomatic
Eden Haiku: :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles and gives up on trying to articulate whatever she just tried to type three times

Eliza Madrigal: Aph, can you elaborate more on 'affect'?
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: sure
Aphrodite Macbain: Maxine uses the term affect a lot
Bruce Mowbray wonders if left/right brain differences might have something to do with "cognitive dissonance."
Aphrodite Macbain: without really defining it
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Aphrodite Macbain: after doing a bit of Googling
Aphrodite Macbain: I find that what she means by affect is our emotional response to things
Bruce Mowbray: there are nine specific affects that are considered universal... like surprise, shame, fear, etc.
Aphrodite Macbain: someone "without affect" is someone who does not respond to things emotionally
Aphrodite Macbain: yes bruce
Bruce Mowbray: each of the nine has a physiological representation -- and I think that is what the term "affect" means.... as Aphrodite has just explained.

Santoshima Resident: can you give a sentence example, Aph. that you noted? affect can mean a few things depending on context
Aphrodite Macbain: so it is a dimension of both left and right brains
Eliza Madrigal: thanks, this is helpful
Eliza Madrigal listening
Aphrodite Macbain: I would have to search through Maxines' text
Aphrodite Macbain: I have just bumped into it a lot
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Aphrodite Macbain: and wanted to iron it out

Bleu Oleander: I think affect is emotional influence on judegments and decisions ... I don't think Maxine specifically defines it ...
Aphrodite Macbain: no
Mickorod Renard: I haven't read the whole book yet..but is it still a ..i dunno the right word and mean no offense..but speculative rather than definitive?
Eliza Madrigal: she describes wanting to include her three-dimensional lived experience along with the intellectual and theoretical she felt had more place
Aphrodite Macbain: she has been using it in the Introduction
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm sorry- I wasn't prepared to discuss this so can't refer to specific instances
Eliza Madrigal: 'emotional influence' is good, and then the spectrum Bruce mentions

Eliza Madrigal: or, is it a spectrum, Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: I don't think it's considered a spectrum as such.
Bruce Mowbray: just nine specific emotional states that appear in every culture.
Eliza Madrigal: a room, with a view
Bruce Mowbray: persons who are severely lacking in any of those affects, will usually have some form of personality disorder or psychosis.
Eliza Madrigal: ah
Bleu Oleander: she juxtaposes affect with cognition a lot in the book
Mickorod Renard: checks those affects again
Bruce Mowbray: sociopaths, for example, do not typically recognize the "fear" affect in others.

Eden Haiku: I only read the 1st part of Part one so far. The segment about McGilchrist is inspiring. As well as both video links about his work.
Bruce Mowbray: I really enjoyed the videos on McGilchrist.
Bruce Mowbray: his work seems to be evolving all the time....
Aphrodite Macbain: when I saw the original one Eliza sent, I understood it better after seeing the interview
Bruce Mowbray nods, me too.
Eden Haiku: nods

Aphrodite Macbain: May I give you a quote about affect to see if we can disentangle it?
Eliza Madrigal: I need to follow up! I haven't watched the interview yet
Bruce Mowbray: please do, Aphrodite.
Eliza Madrigal: please, Aph :)
Mickorod Renard: please Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: ok
Aphrodite Macbain: Here's an example in Part II "Continuing to appreciate the primacy of affect, it highlights how innate expectations might be the roots of unconscious fantasy, the ubiquity of hallucinatory phenomena and the creative contributions of poetic states of mind."
Aphrodite Macbain: whew
Aphrodite Macbain: primacy of affect...
Bleu Oleander: McGilchrist's work is somewhat challenged these days and different ways of talking about how the brain is organized have been presented but I see it more as a metaphor for the unconscious vs conscious thought
Eliza Madrigal: so emotion coming before interpretation due to projection?
Aphrodite Macbain: does she relate expectations to affect?
Aphrodite Macbain: not sure Eliza
Bruce Mowbray: when we get further into the book, particularly the section on neuroscience, we will discover that the limbic system is part of our "more primitive brain" and thus it will have an influence on all of the brain that evolved later.

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: i saw that somewhere else too Bruce..interesting,,and that some animals are of course yet to develop further
Bruce Mowbray: (so, yes, what we understand as "affect" would have some effect on fantasies, projections, hallucinations, and virtually all thought)
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Bruce Mowbray: to Mick.
Eliza Madrigal: I think I see that.. so emotion would be primary and reason conscious management perhaps?
Bruce Mowbray: yes, I think so, Eliza.
Eliza Madrigal: reason would say, hey, question that projection and emotion and think it out to see if you are reacting to something real...

Not separate really

Aphrodite Macbain: Yes I think that McGilchrist is saying that our frontal lobes allow us to take a distanced look at things before our primal brain responds
Bleu Oleander: we do attach emotions to reason ... not separate really
Aphrodite Macbain: a larger view of things
Bruce Mowbray nods. and "reason" would probably also have different notions of what reality is.
Eliza Madrigal: we do intend emotion also at times, I guess?
Aphrodite Macbain: Reason comes from both hemispheres
Aphrodite Macbain: we can control our emotions
Bleu Oleander: not always :)
Aphrodite Macbain: a bit
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: right
Bleu Oleander: we have unconscious emotions too
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: we can control our actions
Eliza Madrigal: reason gives a buffer but sometimes strong emotion is not having it, hah
Bruce Mowbray: that's why I put it in quotes, Aphrodite. I was just assuming that we meant "reason" as a left brain function... and a frontal cortex left brain function, at that.
Aphrodite Macbain: based on what our right brain tells
Bleu Oleander: re actions, not always either ha ha!
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: haha
Aphrodite Macbain: lol

Aphrodite Macbain pokes Bleu in the shoulder
Bleu Oleander: :)
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: take that!
Eliza Madrigal: all pretty interesting that we can see this, both due to research and experience, blending
Bleu Oleander: trouble maker :)
Bruce Mowbray feels Aph's poke - vicariously.
Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
Eden Haiku: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bleu Oleander: bruce has poke envy
Aphrodite Macbain: giggles
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Mickorod Renard: I always assumed, and I have no actual knowledge of any of this, that the right hand was devoid of any real reasoning ability..but was more creative and open to anything
Aphrodite Macbain: that was the old belief Mick - in the 60s and 70s
Eden Haiku: Mc Gilchrist's vision gives us a wider view of both hemispheres :)
Mickorod Renard: he he .that fits
Aphrodite Macbain: yes

Bleu Oleander: did anyone watch the video I posted with a split brain patient?
Bleu Oleander: so illuminating to watch       [video:
Eliza Madrigal: need to follow up there too :)
Aphrodite Macbain: they share responses
Catrinamonblue Resident: missed the link to that Bleu
Bruce Mowbray nods. in split brain experiments, --- Yes, Bleu, I was just about to mention that.
Mickorod Renard: I am sorry, i didn't
Eliza Madrigal: we should add to the references page I made with the beginning outline
Eden Haiku: Not yet Bleu :(
Aphrodite Macbain: but It is interesting that one side of the brain helps us focus on the issue at hand and the other gives us a bigger picture
Bleu Oleander: its really amazing to see both halves acting separately

Aphrodite Macbain: I wish certain politicians would use their right brain
Agatha Macbeth: What's the bit in the middle called again...corpus something?
Eden Haiku: Yes Aph :)
Bruce Mowbray: the left brain can deal with names and labels of things ("chair") - while the right brain draws pictures of them.
Aphrodite Macbain: corpus callosum
Agatha Macbeth: Right, thx
Bleu Oleander: I'd be happy if politicians used any part of their brains lol
Aphrodite Macbain: the collossal body!
Eden Haiku: LOL
Aphrodite Macbain: giggles
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Then I'd believe in miracles

Eliza Madrigal: I wonder if there is something to the conservative/liberal divide as well... that the conservative tends to be guarding against outsiders, and more likely to stand by their man... whereas they say liberals tend to scrutinize more, their own leader
Aphrodite Macbain: It is designed to keep the hemispheres apart
Bruce Mowbray: there is also a psychological phenomenon called "splitting" -- I wonder if that has anything to do with left/right brain functions.
Eliza Madrigal: so there seems a difference of where one side or another sees threat
Bleu Oleander: I think so Eliza ... J. Haidt has a great book on that
Aphrodite Macbain: context context
Aphrodite Macbain: It seems the right side identifies threats
Bleu Oleander: "the righteous mind"
Aphrodite Macbain: the big picture

Mickorod Renard: can we re cap on the two side of the brain again?....both can reason but the left can reason with greater focus?
Aphrodite Macbain: with less focus
Aphrodite Macbain: the left focusses more
Aphrodite Macbain: the right checks out the territory
Mickorod Renard: I meant focus as in of a smaller area..more in depth?
Eliza Madrigal: Eden do you have a sense of the more renewed picture?

Eden Haiku: As I might not be able to attend next Thursday session, may I share now a partial report on the part I read?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- like the bird and the seeds
Aphrodite Macbain: listens to Eden
Mickorod Renard: me too
Agatha Macbeth: Yay go Edie
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, please, great
Bruce Mowbray: yes, that's why I gave the Gloria Steinem quote earlier... God is that detailed focus; Goddess is the connections/relationships.

Eden gives an early report...

Eden Haiku: "Our bodies are molded rivers" (Novalis) : a lived experience of the left & right hemispheres integration
Eden Haiku: Reading a story to my grandniece Naomie on her 3rd birthday,  with her cousins Megane 5 yo & Loic 2 yo.
Bruce Mowbray listens to Eden.
Eden Haiku: it's the silly story of Millie Rose, a little girl who encounters a bird, a rabbit, a mole,  a witch, a wolf, an ogre.
Aphrodite Macbain: aww
Agatha Macbeth: Great names
Eden Haiku: - It takes only a few encounters for the 5 yo to understand that Millie Rose is going to answer: " I'm not afraid of....¨ whenever she will be advised to be careful of... as she’s walking through the wood. 
Eden Haiku: We are sitting on a couch, the 3 children piling up on me.
Aphrodite Macbain: :)
Eden Haiku: As we are trying to find the witch on a dark page, the little boy crawls onto my knees to point to the witch and becomes enraptured into the story.
Eden Haiku: When the wolf shows up on the next page, the birthday girl wiggles out of my crowded knees to go play with her new doll house.
Eden Haiku: "Nomi scared of wolves" analyzes the little boy now sitting comfortably while his big sister is climbing behind my back so she can see the images.
Eden Haiku: As I sit there, flooded with their love, I try to make sense of the fact that Millie Rose is apparently a mechanical doll that needs a key on her back to become alive...
Eden Haiku: As my body is flowing with the warmth, the scent and the babble of the three children, my left brain accesses to the certainty that I’m now seeing the whole picture: the right brain sensation of oneness with the world.
Eden Haiku: Done

Bruce Mowbray: Wow.
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Bleu Oleander: lovely Eden
Eliza Madrigal: beautiful, and so clear
Mickorod Renard: fantastic,,great
Aphrodite Macbain: awww
Catrinamonblue Resident: wow indeed :)
Bruce Mowbray: thank you so much for that, Eden. Beautiful.

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: Those keys in the back were all the rage in SL a few years back
Eliza Madrigal: left brain as witness, in that context
Aphrodite Macbain: keys?
Bruce Mowbray remembers those keys.
Agatha Macbeth: Doll keys
Aphrodite Macbain: oh right
Eden Haiku: Easier for me to go to the poetic than to discuss the vocabulary :)
Agatha Macbeth: Why I don't know
Aphrodite Macbain: chatty cathy
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Eliza Madrigal: I always wonder, whether you switch into some (for lack of better description) right brain mode, when writing, Eden
Mickorod Renard: ty Bruce btw
Bruce Mowbray: Eden, at any point in this experience with the children, did you feel your left brain trying to control the situation?
Bleu Oleander: nothing like a great story teller, telling a great story to illustrate a concept and capture the listener's emotional learning capacities :)
Eden Haiku: No Bruce, maybe to understand the key yes, that's it.
Aphrodite Macbain: Interesting that when the woolf appeared the birthday girl went to play with dolls
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: okay, thank you.
Agatha Macbeth: Knock on the side of your head and say 'who's talking?'
Eliza Madrigal: I try to feel what you feel like ... like you stepped into what you thought Riddle might have felt like at the wailing wall, in a session I read... that seems key (he he) to *play*

Aphrodite Macbain: pause?
[there was indeed a pause here, which it took me a moment to catch, and which didn't show up in the log   -eliza]

Bruce Mowbray: really feeling what I feel like, might be what I call "appreciation".
Eliza Madrigal: bell shusshed me immediately, sorry
Eden Haiku: Yes Eliza. I go into right brain as I write but then I use left brain words, don't we all?
Eliza Madrigal: not sure, that's why I thought to say it aloud... like some musicians start with lyrics, some with music
Bleu Oleander: its a whole brain effort yes
Aphrodite Macbain: sure
Eden Haiku: But reading Maxine's book makes the process much clearer :)
Bruce Mowbray nods.
 

Choice of hemispheres?

Aphrodite Macbain: tho some people, according to McGilchrist, are using the left brain too much and not looking at the broader implications
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm not sure how one stops using the left brain so much.....
Eliza Madrigal: left brain tends to be rewarded more?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes perhaps
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: these days
Bleu Oleander: i'm not sure you can stop using your left brain :)
Aphrodite Macbain: can I reduce using it?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: as a species is there a danger of becoming something quite detached?
Bruce Mowbray: (or would want or need to stop using it)
Bleu Oleander: but you can cut the halves apart and not really notice the difference apparently
Eden Haiku: If you do automatic writing it does the trick :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I notice I have a need to put things in order. To be precise.
Aphrodite Macbain: It gives me satisfaction
Eden Haiku: I have that too :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Messiness and ambiguity make me anxious
Aphrodite Macbain: But how to control it?
Eden Haiku: But it then leads me to the big picture. Sometimes :)
Bruce Mowbray: I honor that in you, Aphrodite, but you also have a keen appreciation of art and poetry. . .
Aphrodite Macbain: Perhaps this is where affect comes in
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: thanks
Eliza Madrigal: I recognize both/all but love most when harmonious, which depends on very practical things most of the time, ie diet and rest
Bruce Mowbray: and music!
Aphrodite Macbain: but they dont run my life

Mickorod Renard: what was all that stuff Maxine wrote about becoming and the to-ing and thro-ing?
Bleu Oleander: maybe they should?
Eliza Madrigal: Oooh, good question Mick.... let me see if I can find that...
Aphrodite Macbain: yes Mick
Aphrodite Macbain: maybe the to-ing and fro-ing are about searching for balance
Bleu Oleander loves kindle search function :)
Mickorod Renard: yes, and doubt as opposed to certainty
Aphrodite Macbain: oo does it have one? I'm just getting to know it
Bruce Mowbray: I think that was part of the Hegel discussion,.... Becoming is a process of interaction between thesis and antithesis in which neither is woolly lost in the synthesis.
Bruce Mowbray: wholly, too.
Eliza Madrigal: will be typing in since not attached to this computer... carry on....
Bleu Oleander: yes, kindle has search ... wonderful
Mickorod Renard: he he

Aphrodite Macbain: where do I find it? what does the icon look like?
Aphrodite Macbain: left brains want to know..
Bleu Oleander: at the top magnifying class say "search"
Bruce Mowbray: it looks like a magnifying glass.
Mickorod Renard: I am definately lost in woolyness
Bleu Oleander: tap top while book is open
Bleu Oleander: becoming and being is part III
Mickorod Renard: ah, I went too far
Aphrodite Macbain doesn't see a magifying glass
Eliza Madrigal: or if someone has loc 287 :) Anyway, here is just one excerpt related:
"With regard to the interplay between the two hemispheres, the left seems to have the capacity to render explicit, that is, to bring to consciousness, the implicit unconscious messages offered by the right hemisphere. It brings clarification in symbol and language to that which emerges from the unconscious, but, in doing so, it separates the clarified and the symbolised from the dynamic in the moment experience." That isn't exactly what Mick was referring to... but it is a good snippet.

Bleu Oleander: "authentic Being that is timeless, even though the becoming is pictured as a narrative in time"
Aphrodite Macbain: nice
Aphrodite Macbain: both of those
Eliza Madrigal: Nice, yes... From pema's foreword isn't it?
Mickorod Renard: thank you eliza
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bruce Mowbray: Ahh! Yes! Pema's Forward. THERE it is.
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Bruce Mowbray ponders (imagines) a PaB Bell that says, "Please be silent in mindful becoming."

Aphrodite Macbain: It brings clarification in symbol and language to that which emerges from the unconscious - sounds like Jung. :-) No?
Eliza Madrigal: I have to run right away, to get my son to tennis on time :) Please stay and I'll post soon. <3
For Thurs, we are starting Chap 1 up to Aufhebung....

--BELL--

Catrinamonblue Resident: :0
Eliza Madrigal smiles at Bruce
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Mickorod Renard: bye Eliza
Eliza Madrigal getting link before running....
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye Eliza.
Eliza Madrigal: https://wiki.playasbeing.org/index.php?title=Classes_and_Sessions/The_Wisdom_of_Lived_Experience_-_Views_from_Psychoanalysis%2C_Neuroscience%2C_Philosophy_and_Metaphysics
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: THANK YOU see you soon

Eden Haiku: finds Bleu's quote of Pema's foreword brings clarity: "authentic Being that is timeless, even though the becoming is pictured as a narrative in time"
Mickorod Renard: hi five for the tennis
Agatha Macbeth: Run well Liz
Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye Eliza :)
Bruce Mowbray: Thank you Eliza.
Catrinamonblue Resident: I need to go to actually :) get dinner together :)
Eden Haiku: have to go back walking: Bye all. thank you!
Mickorod Renard: grin, thankyou to all
Mickorod Renard: bye Everyone...take care
Agatha Macbeth: Adieu tout le monde
Bleu Oleander: bye all take care
Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye everyone :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: admires Aggers skating on high heels
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, everyone!
Agatha Macbeth: I still keep thinking you're Bryn Bleu :)
Agatha Macbeth: :P