2017.04.10 07:00 - Finish Anyway!

The Guardian for this meeting was Eden Haiku. The comments are by Eden Haiku.

Eliza, Riddle, Eden and Adams

PaB 9th anniversary party on Monday April 24th at 10:30 SLT!

Eliza Madrigal: Morning, Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: Morning, Eliza :)
Riddle Sideways: great to see ya, this early :)
Riddle Sideways: with a happy balloon
Catrinamonblue Resident: 's current display-name is "Catrinamonblue".
Eliza Madrigal: Early for you, thank you :) And nice to be here on a Monday morning!
Riddle Sideways: Morning, Cat :)

--BELL--

Catrinamonblue Resident: Morning :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Cat, Eden :)
Riddle Sideways: Morning, Eden
Eliza Madrigal adjusts settings to take in Eden's complexity
Catrinamonblue Resident: Thank you for the baloon Eliza :)
Eden Haiku: Good morning Riddle, Cat, Eliza !
Eliza Madrigal: :) yw, Bleu always does such a nice job with them
Eliza Madrigal: Morning, Adams :)
Riddle Sideways: Morning, leaping Adams
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Adams :)
Eliza Madrigal: ...bouncing into Graceland...
Adams Rubble: Hello Everyone :)
Riddle Sideways: love that song
Eden Haiku: Good morning Adams :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Riddle Sideways: whole album
Eliza Madrigal: one of the best as a whole album, imo
Riddle Sideways: Passover starting, Palm Sunday, Easter coming, ummm something else?
Riddle Sideways: some 9th party
Eliza Madrigal: :) happy anniversary
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: date changed now... to the 24th... a Monday 10:30
Eliza Madrigal: since 22nd is Earth Day/Science March
Catrinamonblue Resident: ok
Eden Haiku: Yes, a Monday....Strange! is that a holiday?
Adams Rubble: for PaB it is
Eden Haiku: It will be!
Eliza Madrigal: just has to do with schedules :) no WoLE session that day
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eden Haiku: Sorry I have been missing WoLe sessions, Eliza, been sick and busy :(
Eliza Madrigal: oh dear, you don't often get sick...
Eliza Madrigal: getting better now?
Riddle Sideways: also, Sorry have been missing WoLE sessions
Eliza Madrigal: don't be sorry :) you are missed but don't be sorry
Eden Haiku: After last session, I followed your advice Riddle and called my doctor. She gave me some medecine to stop the coughing. I'm feeling much better yes, thanks. Not completely over though....
Eliza Madrigal has been frayed and sending people down wrong organizational roads... that's all you've missed
Eliza Madrigal: oh, good to follow up
Catrinamonblue Resident: glad you are getting better
Eden Haiku: Read that :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways: good, did not want it going worse
Eliza Madrigal: just to mix it up of course... totally planned...hahaha
Eliza Madrigal: (not)

A pregnant pause

Eden Haiku: Worked despited of the bronchitis and finished proofreading yesterday!
Eliza Madrigal: yay :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: yay :)
Eden Haiku: Still have to revise my own proofreading, a few more days still...
Eden Haiku: Had a dream last night
Riddle Sideways: finished is a good phrase to say
Riddle Sideways: /listens
Eden Haiku: A voice was calling my RL name, saying" she's arrived"
Eden Haiku: And there were many actresses, all very pregnant....
Eden Haiku: Then I got it: I'm about to give birth, my "baby" is almost here :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes! Lots of babies it seems...
Eden Haiku: And my nephew's wife gave birth to a brand new little boy!
Adams Rubble: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: oh wow :)
Eliza Madrigal: Congratulations :) What a time is Spring
Eden Haiku: And how is everyone?
Eliza Madrigal:(pregnant pause)
Riddle Sideways: coffee not quite kicking in yet
Eden Haiku: laughs
Riddle Sideways: still parsing sentences incorrectly
Eliza Madrigal grins
Riddle Sideways: glad for 90 sec to reread

--BELL--

Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Riddle Sideways: oh! watched some vids yesterday
Catrinamonblue Resident: coming here was my reward for hard work this morning :)
Riddle Sideways: from YHouse
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways: good, Cat
Eliza Madrigal: I keep opening the YHouse videos but not watching them yet
Eden Haiku:feels wonderful to be part of Cat's reward for good work :)
Riddle Sideways: yes, one was 48min and actually took 3 hours
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Eden Haiku: googling YHouse
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: looks very interesting, dynamic, though
Eden Haiku: Ah yes, Pema's project. Yes, sounds interesting
Riddle Sideways: seems a year ago, there was a report something in NYC was coming
Eliza Madrigal: seems to be doing well, perhaps eventually will have a west coast presence too
Eden Haiku: Video looks great
Eden Haiku: (watching on phone)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways: the audiences look so young
Riddle Sideways: oh well, everybody is looking so young lately
Eden Haiku: Will watch later though, I'm curious about your awareness/consciousness here now :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways: here/now :)

Late blooming genius

Eliza Madrigal: read an encouraging article this morning, aboutlate blooming genius
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eden Haiku: How is your work with AI Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: that would be nice
Eliza Madrigal listens
Riddle Sideways: thanks for asking... not so good
Riddle Sideways: they keep crashing stupid
Eden Haiku: oh!
Catrinamonblue Resident: :(
Riddle Sideways: yelling an answer to somebody upstairs has it say "I did not catch that..."
Eden Haiku: smiles
Riddle Sideways: keep having to give re-birth/reboot hourly
Eliza Madrigal: no leads on the next step?
Eden Haiku: Late blooming genius Eliza? Tell us more.
Riddle Sideways: yes. /listens
Riddle Sideways: (Eden puts us back on a topic)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eden Haiku: Your AI rebellion was an excellent topic too Riddle, I'm trying to gather everyone into the circle :)
Eliza Madrigal: was a feel good article really, about a 94 or 97 year old physicist, Dr. Goodenough :) Gave some nice leads of other areas where people come into their own in late 40s or 50s, etc...
Eliza Madrigal: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/opinion/sunday/to-be-a-genius-think-like-a-94-year-old.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share
Eden Haiku: Maybe some late bloooming genius could handle that resistant AI crashing and needed reboots
Eliza Madrigal: that's what I'm thinking :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: sudden genius flash emerging between Riddle and AI
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eden Haiku: Thank you Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: I admire deeply, the patience it takes to work on something like that
Adams Rubble: architects generally do not come into their own until about age 50

--BELL--

Eden Haiku: I like that the guy is called Dr Goodenough!
Eliza Madrigal: right!?!
Eliza Madrigal: I didn't catch that during the whole reading, haha
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Riddle Sideways: needs a feel-good article that gives hope of Good Enough
Eden Haiku: An excellent read then Riddle, glimpsing through it now, saving it for later :)
Riddle Sideways: yes, saved for a bit later
Eden Haiku: Eliza always points to interesting things! Your retweet of JK Rowling the other day, about "finishing' anyway was really inspitring!
Eliza Madrigal: I loved that!
Riddle Sideways: not sure about how feel-good https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/585/in-defense-of-ignorance?act=2
Riddle Sideways: is
Eden Haiku: finishing, really, inspiring(ah! Monday typos!!!)
Riddle Sideways: (forgotten little shoulder pet's name) Loves Typos
Eden Haiku:speeling fun on Monday mornings :)
Riddle Sideways: yess
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: The tweet was originally from Melanie Dione, retweeted by JK... it is HEY YOU! You're working on something and you're probably thinking, "Nobody's gonna watch, read, listen..." Finish anyway.
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eden Haiku: Yep!

FINISH ANYWAY

Eliza Madrigal: I'm thinking of painting this over my desk...FINISH ANYWAY
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: !
Catrinamonblue Resident: :-D
Riddle Sideways: yes :)
Riddle Sideways: thanks
Eden Haiku: Was looking for the transcript of the "Defense of ignorance", but there is no transcript...
Eliza Madrigal laughing
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Riddle Sideways: sorry, only heard it in the kitchen while messing around
Eden Haiku: Yes, we have to pull ourselves out of this stance " nobody is gonna watch, listen, read..." In fact, this could be a good incentive to finish...Then nothing horrible can happen :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Catrinamonblue Resident: true :)
Riddle Sideways: :))
Eden Haiku: Some fellow novelist just got such a bad review in the week end paper, ouch!
Eliza Madrigal: :(
Catrinamonblue Resident: :(
Riddle Sideways: :(
Eden Haiku: One little killing paragraph... She must have felt in shreds after that....
Eden Haiku: Haven't read her book yet, and now....
Riddle Sideways: the reviewer feels so superior to write bad stuff like that
Eden Haiku: I'm afraid of even opening it....
Eliza Madrigal: yes was just wondering about the reviewer
Eden Haiku: Yes, he's very pretentious this guy. We all hope we won't get his reviews...
Riddle Sideways: hundreds were in line to buy the book and a reviewer chased them away, so sad
Eden Haiku: yep!
Eliza Madrigal: too bad the novelist can't use targeted ignorance not to know
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eden Haiku: And so few books are reviewed these days, we wonder why he bothers to talk about it....
Riddle Sideways: bet the reviewer does not know how ignorant they are
Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
Adams Rubble: Not as deep as Adael: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upZB5VlbC6o
Eden Haiku: Adael, how nice to see you :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eden Haiku: Our little philosopher :)
Riddle Sideways: Oh... Harry

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: nice comments at the bottom...sure this is youtube? :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eden Haiku: Couldn't open it Adams....
Adams Rubble: awwww
Adams Rubble: Harry Chapin's song Mr.Tanner
Eliza Madrigal: "But when he sang, it made him whole..."
Riddle Sideways: story of a happy person, reading a review
Eden Haiku: Found it, tks
Riddle Sideways: so many Harry songs cut deep
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eden Haiku: listening
Eliza Madrigal: Will the process of the book being released in English, take a long while, Eden?
Eden Haiku: "it just made him whole.,,,," Nice :)
Eden Haiku: At least a year Eliza, it’s 400 pages to translate, and I have two upcoming books in English translations
Eliza Madrigal: wow...
Catrinamonblue Resident: wow
Eden Haiku: One a novel from 1985 and the other one poetry from 2016, a short one.
Eliza Madrigal: reaching back to 1985... do you do revisions at all in a case like that?
Adams Rubble: rl interruption
Eden Haiku: My English publisher is in British Columbia and sometimes I don’t hear from him for a long while...
Riddle Sideways: long way away
Eden Haiku: It depends of the translator, The one who lives in Montreal always work with me but I have a new one in Paris, and she just asked a few questions via email
Eden Haiku: Live and die without regret, yes, Adael and Milarepa, that’s a good idea
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Riddle Sideways: genius is as genius does
Eliza Madrigal: just contemplating the feeling... one's work running around with a life or lives of own
Eliza Madrigal: having to encounter critical reviewers... or adoring fans
Riddle Sideways: image of a 1985 novel running around
Eden Haiku: Adoring fans, hmmm....
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eden Haiku: Won literary prizes with that novel back then :) Good memories!
Riddle Sideways: does the book know how genius it is?
Eliza Madrigal: !
Eden Haiku: hehe Riddle :)
Adams Rubble is back, catching up
Eden Haiku: I also got a very nasty review for that book, just remembering now....
Riddle Sideways: hoped you had of forgetten that
Eden Haiku: Was in airplane when reading it between two giant guys in cowboy hats, coming back from Utah...
Riddle Sideways: hahahaha
Eliza Madrigal: what a moment
Adams Rubble: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :-D
Eden Haiku: Felt trapped, no more air....
Eden Haiku: Review was simply stating I was a nazi...

--BELL--

Fragmentation and integration

Eliza Madrigal: @@
Eden Haiku: I know....
Riddle Sideways: paraphrasing to: "Those that can't write... review"
Adams Rubble: anything we do publically will cause criticism from someone
Eden Haiku: It seems bad memories are there to ensure our survival :)
Riddle Sideways: or Those that can't finish, review
Eliza Madrigal: the book, nonetheless, won prizes and found its audience
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eden Haiku: has a lot of empathy for people who don’y finish.....
Adams Rubble: I must go; I hope everyone has a wonderful day
Adams Rubble: bye for now
Eliza Madrigal: you too Adams, and Adael :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye Adams :)
Riddle Sideways: bye for now
Eden Haiku: Bye Adams, have a nice day :)
Eden Haiku: And Adael:)
Eliza Madrigal: there is a case for not finishing things... but too much of it and one is... frayed
Riddle Sideways: a frayed knot :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eden Haiku: A balancing act yes Eliza, between cautiousness and boldness
Eliza Madrigal nods....the fragmentation of following leads, discovery...
Eliza Madrigal:vs the integration and wholeness of finishing the song
Catrinamonblue Resident: gotta go work.. sorry
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Cat :)
Riddle Sideways: by cat
Eden Haiku: Thanks for coming Cat :)
Eliza Madrigal: I'm here avoiding going back for the 10th time to revise taxes.... but it has been just the medicine needed :)
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you
Eden Haiku: Great Eliza!
Eden Haiku: Taxes are not easy....
Riddle Sideways: taxes = medicine?
Eliza Madrigal: I get so much done when there is something I don't want to do
Eliza Madrigal: not the taxes, haha, being HERE
Eden Haiku: Yep!
Eliza Madrigal: with YOU
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Riddle Sideways: O :)
Eden Haiku: :)
Eden Haiku: a dose of Riddle and taxes look fun :)
Riddle Sideways: lots of little things to do today
Eliza Madrigal: :)) Thank you Eden, <3
Eden Haiku: Always a song :)
Eliza Madrigal: happy passover
Riddle Sideways: thank you, Eden
Riddle Sideways: and Elisa
Eden Haiku: Thank you for joining us this morning Eliza, have a nice day you both!
Riddle Sideways: going to try for 1pm
Eden Haiku: Yep, happy Passover Riddle!
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Riddle Sideways: set table for 10
Riddle Sideways: relearn the music
Eden Haiku: And Eliza Easter and Passover both I think :)
Eliza Madrigal: so nice...
Eliza Madrigal: Easter this coming weekend...
Eden Haiku: And all the remembering... I love these traditions you have Riddle
Riddle Sideways: re-re-re-telling of the stories
Eliza Madrigal: lest we forget...
Eden Haiku: Ah Passover is today, with the upcoming full moon?
Riddle Sideways: funny how that works :)
Eden Haiku: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) okay...bye for now
Eden Haiku: Still recycling day?
Riddle Sideways: yes, the other cycles also
Eden Haiku: Bye bye!
Riddle Sideways: thank you All