2016.03.17 13:00 - TSK Session: First there is a mountain

The Guardians for this meeting were Eliza and Mick. Official session begins after the grey text. ;-) As I was posting the log and inserting photos, it occured to me how nicely fitting our pavilion, filled with sky, is for this sort of mountain exploration from Time Space and Knowledge: 2016.03.17 - Being in the World; Being Space and Time 

To find out more about the exploration on the whole, please see:
Time, Space, and Knowledge

Agatha Macbeth: God it's all happening
Eliza Madrigal: looking cute, too.... saw Edie all dressed up a little while ago
Eliza Madrigal: What is happening?
Agatha Macbeth: Domestic stuff
Eliza Madrigal: chaos?
Agatha Macbeth: Just found a pile of washing I somehow missed this morning
Agatha Macbeth: And waiting for a delivery to boot
Eliza Madrigal: :) timing
Agatha Macbeth: And of course the bugger's late cos this is an hour early
Agatha Macbeth: Waaaaaaaaah (as Lucy would say)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: :::breathe::::
Agatha Macbeth: How's Ade?
Eliza Madrigal: hm?
Agatha Macbeth: Wollie ♥
Wol Euler: greetings, pabonauts
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol :))
Agatha Macbeth: You know, allergies
Mickorod Renard: hello..am I on time?
Eliza Madrigal: ahhh.... he is doing well
Eliza Madrigal: Allegra seems to be the key
Agatha Macbeth: No, we just finished Mick
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick :)
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Mickorod Renard: hiya
Mickorod Renard: u r kidding Ags?
Agatha Macbeth polishes Mick's head
Agatha Macbeth: UES! :p
Mickorod Renard: phew
Agatha Macbeth: Or even
Agatha Macbeth: YES!
Agatha Macbeth kicks the keyboard
Eliza Madrigal: UUEeeeee
Mickorod Renard: its gonna be quiet today me thinks
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder if Zenny will be here for St Pat's?
Eliza Madrigal: we'll see... will miss a few
Mickorod Renard: you know what....I recon zen could help in tsk a fair bit
Eliza Madrigal: Zen seems only to come for guardian sessions now
Agatha Macbeth: Did I see Wol arrive or did I dream it?
Mickorod Renard: yeh, I saw Wol
Eliza Madrigal: she arrived...but then was changing...
Agatha Macbeth: Into what we wonder?
Agatha Macbeth: As Lon Chaney said 'Don't bother me now I'm just changing'
Mickorod Renard: oh!
Agatha Macbeth: Go to a mountain?

Agatha Macbeth: First there is a mountain...
Agatha Macbeth: Then there is no mountain
Agatha Macbeth: Then there is

Eliza Madrigal: that's the gist :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi Tura
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tura, welcome back
Agatha Macbeth: Gist for the mill
Agatha Macbeth: Hello0 Tura
Tura Brezoianu: hello all
Agatha Macbeth: That looks like a Breton name
Eliza Madrigal: turaluraturaluraey....
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, him too
Mickorod Renard: I have a Breton Spaniel
Agatha Macbeth: Woof
Agatha Macbeth: Hope he's not dogged by bad luck
Mickorod Renard: looks like he may make 17 yrs
Agatha Macbeth: Good lord
Eliza Madrigal: nice
Mickorod Renard: I know,,scary
Agatha Macbeth: Dat is an OLD dawg
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: he is blind and deaf
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Agatha Macbeth: Like Arsene Wenger
Mickorod Renard: funny to watch him walk into things
Agatha Macbeth: Not for him!
Eliza Madrigal smacks mick
Agatha Macbeth: Poor doggie
Agatha Macbeth: Imagine George being 17
Mickorod Renard: he's tortured me for 15 years
Agatha Macbeth: Whatever floats yer boat
Mickorod Renard: he he

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: am just happy George is using his stairs so that we take care of his back... have to be careful with dachshunds
Agatha Macbeth pictures a cocker spaniel in dom gear
Agatha Macbeth: Then stops
Mickorod Renard: can he nort use the lift?
Agatha Macbeth: Aww he has a bad back?
Eliza Madrigal: the stairs are to get on the bed
Agatha Macbeth: For him or you?
Eliza Madrigal: he doesn't have a bad back but these dogs tend to when older
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: Here comes Bleuji
Eliza Madrigal: preventative care
Eliza Madrigal: aha Wol!
Agatha Macbeth: And WB Wollie
Wol Euler: ty!
Wol Euler: evening all
Agatha Macbeth: All green and human
Wol Euler: appropriately dressed
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Mickorod Renard: my bed is so high I get cloustrophobic from being to close to the ceilling
Agatha Macbeth: Where's the shamrocks then?
Mickorod Renard: Hi wol
Wol Euler: in the pasture
Agatha Macbeth: Yay Bleuji
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi Bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
Agatha Macbeth: Pasyure best
Agatha Macbeth: Or something
Wol Euler: hello bleu, back in a bit (tea)
Eliza Madrigal: I thought I bought a shamrock hat, but hm...didn't show up....
Agatha Macbeth: I hate it when the letters wear off yer keyboard
Agatha Macbeth: You could wear your rasta hat Liz

:) We Start 

Eliza Madrigal: So we might as well begin :) Eden will be here but a tad late
Agatha Macbeth: Mon dieu
Mickorod Renard: kk
Eliza Madrigal: And we'll miss a few others due to rehearsals
Mickorod Renard: I could start as I have nothing particular
Agatha Macbeth: Thesbians eh?
Eliza Madrigal: how are you going to start with nothing in particular?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Beginner's mind?
Mickorod Renard: well, I know some folks are shy
Eliza Madrigal: :)) Okay, thank you Mick
Mickorod Renard: you want me to start?
Agatha Macbeth: Edie :)
Eliza Madrigal: perfect timing
Mickorod Renard: Hi Eden
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eden :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Eden :)
Agatha Macbeth: Tres bien
Wol Euler: quand on parle du loup!
Agatha Macbeth: Elle arrive!
Bleu Oleander notices all the greenies
Eden Haiku: Bonjour! Sory for my lateness...
Eliza Madrigal: Mick it would be great for you to start. If you could also give impression of the chapter that would be nice
Bleu Oleander: forgot my greeness :)
Eliza Madrigal: no worries at all Eden, just beginning :)
Mickorod Renard: well..thats scary
Agatha Macbeth gets tea while Mick warms up
Eliza Madrigal smiles

Mick

Mickorod Renard: Ok,,I read the chapter
Bleu Oleander: green tea :)
Mickorod Renard: i did it in several stages
Mickorod Renard: I even found a hill,,I live next to one
Eliza Madrigal: perfect
Mickorod Renard: Even Tolkien used to sit on it
Eliza Madrigal: wow :)
Wol Euler: there's his bumprint over there
Mickorod Renard: however I didnt get around to going up
Mickorod Renard: but as I read the chapter,,especially the bits re the exercise
Mickorod Renard: i was able to use some imagination
Mickorod Renard: The chapter at times frustrated me
Mickorod Renard: but also i think I found some clarity

Mickorod Renard: It also remindd me of a dream I had once,,of the jigsaw puzzle
Mickorod Renard: that from a great distance looking back one could see the jigsaw puzzle of life
Wol Euler: !
Eliza Madrigal: mmm
Agatha Macbeth: But were all the pieces there?
Mickorod Renard: but that we dont often observe that sort of amount of everything
Eden Haiku: :)
Mickorod Renard: to there was our diference
Mickorod Renard: our close encapsulated self
Mickorod Renard: or our free limitless extension
Agatha Macbeth: Our wall to wall carpet...
Mickorod Renard: ..I played with this,,and look forward to goin up the hill next week
Wol Euler: and floor to ceiling montagu
Mickorod Renard: ok done

Eliza Madrigal splashes Agatha and Wol
Wol Euler giggles.
Agatha Macbeth: Nya
Mickorod Renard: :)
Agatha Macbeth is all wet
Eliza Madrigal: Lovely Mick, thank you... relate very much to your report
Mickorod Renard: that was my nothing
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: well, cept the Tolkien hill :P
Eden Haiku: Already inspired bt Tolkien Mick, even BEFORE going to the hill :)
Agatha Macbeth: Nothing could be better!
Eliza Madrigal: "life is like a chess game and sometimes the pieces don't all fit." - my son ;-)
Wol Euler laughs.
Agatha Macbeth: He's noticed early
Eden Haiku: Great quote for the little guy Eliza :)
Agatha Macbeth: Took me til I was 40
Eliza Madrigal: Would someone like to go next? :)
Wol Euler: okay

Wol

Wol Euler: I found this chapter quite a bit easier than the last, to my relief
Agatha Macbeth: As Robespierre said
Wol Euler: I thought about where to go for mountains etc, then decided that I had all that I needed already
Eden Haiku: lsitens to Wol
Wol Euler: I've been on mountains in Spain and in Malta and in Scotland and in Canada
Wol Euler: so I sat in my kitchen and thought about mountains
Wol Euler: remembering the air and the smell and the sky all around
Wol Euler: which given that I wasn't going to spend five hours a day !!! all week !!! seemed fair to me

Wol Euler: this incidentally is the "we" that he is addressing, I think: the audience at a long-term retreat
Eliza Madrigal: interesting
Wol Euler: so the things he says "we" do are taken from that context, for them
Wol Euler: I made some more notes but for whatever reason I suddenly find myself lost fo words, so I'll end here and just throw in comments
Eden Haiku: ok
Eliza Madrigal: oh, you sure... don't have to hurry....
Eliza Madrigal: what you say regarding a retreat makes sense, ty
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Stevie :))
Wol Euler: hello stevie
stevenaia Michinaga: waves
Wol Euler hums "gypsy" quietly
Bleu Oleander: hiya steve :)
Agatha Macbeth: G'day Steve
Eden Haiku: Hello Steve. You feel at loss for words now Wol?
Mickorod Renard: Hi stevie
Wol Euler: in the sense that I somehow seem to have dropped the text of what I was going to say, and can'T find my way back into it
Eliza Madrigal: okay, just let us know
Eliza Madrigal: Eden would you like to go next? :)
Eden Haiku: Ah, I see...
Eden Haiku: Ok, but it's pretty long...
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Eliza Madrigal settles in happily

Eden

Eden Haiku: TSK 15:  I can only imagine
Eden Haiku: 1-On Monday, wrote a protocol for going in imagination to a panorama platform on Mont Tremblant, the highest mountain around here.
Eden Haiku: 2-The view from there is spectacular: a 360 degrees view on hills rolling down at the horizon, with red and gold foliages of the end of September.
Eden Haiku: 3-On Monday night,  as I settled down into an imaginary Adirondack chair, wrapped in a blanket, I stared at the blue sky, breathing in and out and I was drifting to sleep before I could even recall any of the first 14 exercises.
Eden Haiku: 4- On Tuesday morning, as I was starting my routine of the 5 tibetan yoga exercises, spinning with arms extended on my living room rug, I remembered I did this exercise on the RL platform and it was exhilarating.
Eden Haiku: 5- So I went back there again in imagination, going through the legs extension, the camel, the bridge and the downward dog, breathing in and out the blue sky.
Eden Haiku: 6- I was feeling blue and it didn't help to lift the mood.
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Eden Haiku: 7- I thought about Bruce resisting to "use" the TSK exercises as therapy.
Eden Haiku: 8- I wasn't resisting using them but it didn't work: I still felt as blue as the sky.
Eden Haiku: 9- According to TSK, after 5 hours of this for 3 weeks, I will start feeding on the sky, grazing on it.
Eden Haiku: 10- I can only imagine.
Eden Haiku: 11-On Wednesday, through my exercise routine, subway ride and downtown shopping, I kept breathing in the blue sky of the mountain top whenever I thought about it.
Eden Haiku: 12-Most of the day, I went back and forth between where my body was and where the TSK exercises were taking me.
Eden Haiku: 13- Memories of the exercises were overlapping blank spaces: the nude giantess hovering in deep space, sliding in between pores like Alice tumbling down the rabbit’s holeventuring into the internal details and into the microlevel, opening the shining outlines, releasing the giant body into space like a cosmic dancer stomping the Earththe Cree woman’s smileand the sunbathing otters’s bright eyesin which I was floating as a cosmonaut
Eden Haiku: 14- On Wednesday evening, I merged with the mountain lion as the shaman was beating her drum.
Eden Haiku: 15- I danced on top of the platform under the blue sky of my imagination while my body was moving in the dim lit room where 19 other mountain lions were dancing, shaking their rattles to the beat.
Eden Haiku: 16-As the drum stopped and my heartbeat calmed down, I tasted the peace in my body: the blues had finally lifted, my breathing was deeper and joy was coursing through my blood.
Eden Haiku: 17- Then I followed  the mountain lion to a mountain top and he sat there, quiet, contemplating the world from above. 
Eden Haiku: 18- Then he roared with all his majestic might and it filled the world.
Eden Haiku: 19- He urged me to express how I felt and to say whatever I had to say.
Eden Haiku: 20- So I did
Eden Haiku: 21- Done

Mickorod Renard: fantastic
Eliza Madrigal: powerful
Wol Euler applauds!
Mickorod Renard: I am so impressed
Eden Haiku: Oh... thanks :)
stevenaia Michinaga: Points to Eden... I want that
Bleu Oleander: very poetic!
Wol Euler: well done indeed
Eliza Madrigal: a meditation in itself... to listen, line by line, and enter your visions
Mickorod Renard: I look forward to getting to this stage myself
stevenaia Michinaga: nods, Mick

Eden Haiku: I didn't read the chapter yet though :( Skimped to the juicy part :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
Eliza Madrigal: the exercises are, I think
Eliza Madrigal: and space grazing
Eden Haiku: :)
 

Stevie
 

Eliza Madrigal: :) Stevie...like to share your sense of where you are?
stevenaia Michinaga: I am running behind a bit, the text is weighing me down
stevenaia Michinaga: I am slowly getting through it but I feel I need to find the time to invent in the reading and excercises
Wol Euler: so tell us about that?
stevenaia Michinaga: which is just not as easy as it eventually will be... when I get to it

stevenaia Michinaga: well I feel comfort in what I am reading, but the time I would like to offer to the excercises is not as easy
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes that bogged down feeling could be relaxed with and gotten through/released, but sometimes better to just skim over it, set it aside and find what feels open already
Wol Euler nods.
stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, I don;t wnat to miss any of the "Juicy bits"
Eliza Madrigal: :) someone else will probably give them to you in a report
stevenaia Michinaga: so I read and re-read
Wol Euler: I find that it alternates between being light (relatively) and very obscure, and I am coming to think that this may not be myself being obtuse.
Eliza Madrigal: ah, I see :)
Eliza Madrigal: likely not, Wol :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I sense it will come, just not as poetically as Eden

Eden Haiku: Feeling comfort reading the text is pretty good though, isn'it Steve?
Eliza Madrigal: ty Stevie
Wol Euler: the exercise bits, and his discussion of them, are much easier to follow than when he tries to expound deep principles
Eliza Madrigal nods
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, makes the past 8 years here seem also worthwhile
Eliza Madrigal: ^^
stevenaia Michinaga: all so familiar
Eliza Madrigal: 8 great years
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bleu, ready?
Bleu Oleander: kk

Eden Haiku: And if we really used all the 9 seconds we would have plenty of times for ALL the exercises!
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Mickorod Renard: btw :I had a similar experience to Eden once where I seemed to be on the top of a high plateu and stood a long time with a walrus or bull seal.........it was the sharing of the understanding with the walrus that was so magnificent...breathing in the thin air too
Eden Haiku: beautiful Mick....
Eliza Madrigal: yes, ty

Bleu

Bleu Oleander: I got a clue to chapter 5 in the title
Eden Haiku: listens to Bleu
Bleu Oleander: "Being in the World" related to exercise 15
Bleu Oleander: on the mountain
Bleu Oleander: the second part of the title, "Being Space and Time" seemed to be exercise 16 - in the mind
Wol Euler: "We live in a very fantastical, magical world. There is no 'doer' or performer of the magic. That is why it is magical." -- agreed.

Bleu Oleander: I'm reading a fantastic book, "At the Existentialist Cafe"
Wol Euler: ((sorry, please continue))
Bleu Oleander: which has amazing parallels to our ideas both here at PaB and in TSK
Bleu Oleander: I was struck by the discussion on Heidegger
Bleu Oleander: being difficult to understand
Bleu Oleander: but perhaps on purpose
Bleu Oleander: to throw us off our game
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: and keep us from falling for the delusion of familiarity
Bleu Oleander: and bringing us back to Being
Wol Euler nods.
Bleu Oleander: I also listened to an interview
Mickorod Renard: yes!
Bleu Oleander: with Rebecca Goldstein
stevenaia Michinaga: can you post the link?
Bleu Oleander: she spoke about two different approaches
Bleu Oleander: sure will do in a sec
Bleu Oleander: those who think the intellect is a force for societal improvement and those who cherish their despair and think that the intellect is just another way of deluding ourselves.
Wol Euler smiles.
Bleu Oleander: I somehow think the intellect is a force for improvement and have difficulty thinking otherwise
Bleu Oleander: so perhaps its why I don't relate to TSK , but do enjoy the exercises
Bleu Oleander: I'll get the link to the video
Mickorod Renard: ty
Bleu Oleander: anyway those are some of the ideas I'm mulling over
Bleu Oleander: would highly recommend the book

Wol Euler: do you feel that TSK feeds despair as a point of view?
Eliza Madrigal: wonderful insights, regarding familiarity, Bleu...also what the chapter is 'about'
Eliza Madrigal: I wouldn't land on either of those pov, but can appreciate that they are
Bleu Oleander: not exactly despair
Eden Haiku: I'm also wondering, about despair as a point of view?
Bleu Oleander: but starting from a point of dissatisfaction with ordinary life, which I find to be anything but ordinary and quite amazing
Eliza Madrigal nods.... can understand that...
Wol Euler: I see
Bleu Oleander: https://www.edge.org/conversation/re...ering-instinct
Bleu Oleander: quit interesting Edge talk
Bleu Oleander: on "mattering"
Eliza Madrigal: ty

Mickorod Renard: The real world is beyond the mind’s ken; we see it through the net of our desires, divided into pleasure and pain, right and wrong, inner and outer. To see the universe as it is, you must step beyond the net. It is not so hard to do so, for the net is full of holes. ~ Nisargadatta Maharaj

Agatha Macbeth: As opposed to anti-mattering?
Bleu Oleander: didn't have time to actually "do" the exercises tho ... but will do this week
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Tura, you've been quiet. Would you like to share your impressions?
Eden Haiku: Full of holes, hehe, there is hope:)
Tura Brezoianu: Ok.
Mickorod Renard: :)
Eliza Madrigal: great

Tura

Tura Brezoianu: I mentioned last time that I'd had the TSK books for a long time, but had never got into them.
Tura Brezoianu: But conveniently, ex.15 is a recap of the earlier exercises.
Tura Brezoianu: On a mountain, but not having a mountain anywhere near, I just tried the earlier exercises.
Tura Brezoianu: I found it a struggle. I can imagine the things the exercises say to imagine, but for me it doesn't go anywhere yet.
Tura Brezoianu: (I must get a different typing animation!)
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Eden Haiku: LOL
Eliza Madrigal: keeps us awake
Wol Euler smiles.
Tura Brezoianu: I read through all of them to get a sense of where he's going with them.
Tura Brezoianu: Maybe the text around them will be clearer after eperience of the exercises
Tura Brezoianu: Maybe the exercises will be clearer after studying the text
Eden Haiku: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: And I hope the text will be clearer after doing the exercises

Tura Brezoianu: So that's where I am with it. I wonder if going to the coast and looking out to sea would give a similar feeling to the top of a mountain
Eliza Madrigal: nice idea
Tura Brezoianu: I think the highest point within 50 miles of me is about 400 ft above sea level
Eliza Madrigal: that seems right... often takes time to dawn... open sky is probably the key, so ocean would likely be marvelous
Eden Haiku: Yes, I guess you can adapt Tura :)
Bleu Oleander: I have actually felt that way at the ocean
Eliza Madrigal: sea air...mmm
Eliza Madrigal: nourishing
Eliza Madrigal: ty!
Mickorod Renard: could prob sit on the house roof and do it
Wol Euler: the best mountains are internal anyway
Bleu Oleander: being on top of a mountain in phoenix you can't help but see the vast city below ... interrupting the sky in a way
Agatha Macbeth: And fix the tiles
Eliza Madrigal: Agatha, time to hear from you :)
Bleu Oleander: its kinda the Husserl vs Heidegger idea
Eden Haiku: And fix the tiles hehe :)
Bleu Oleander: in the head vs in the world
Mickorod Renard: yes Ags, we been waiting weeks

Agatha

Agatha Macbeth: Where does the mountain come in?
Eliza Madrigal nods @ Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: with the exercise, Agatha :)
Wol Euler: by the catflap of course.
Agatha Macbeth: Is there a Moses connection?
Eliza Madrigal: there could be for you
Eliza Madrigal: :P
Eden Haiku: Could be :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Mickorod Renard: he went up a mountain
Agatha Macbeth: I didn't say Mozart this time
Bleu Oleander: mountain rules
Eden Haiku: Mountains are places of revelations:)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: yes!
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Agatha Macbeth: And eagles
Mickorod Renard: no walrus usually
Eliza Madrigal: symbolically.... going off alone to commune

Agatha Macbeth: My eldest played a video game where he had to go looking for a mountain
Mickorod Renard: I wonder if the climbing is not so much getting somewhere but also leaving behind
Agatha Macbeth: Funny thing was I'd been dreaming about something like it before he told me
Eden Haiku: Oh!
Wol Euler: serendipity
Eliza Madrigal: nice....you remember the dreams?
Eliza Madrigal: "...I go to the mountain and, the mountain stands by me...." (gospel hymn)
Agatha Macbeth: Just about going through deserts and through snow
Eliza Madrigal: hmm
Agatha Macbeth: Wilderness, y'know
Eden Haiku: seeing Agatha's dream
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe JTB did something similar
Eliza Madrigal: fits very well with Wol saying that this was written as if to those on retreat

Wol Euler: "I stand up next to a mountain, and chop it down with the edge of my hand." J. Hendrix
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: 'Scuse me while I kiss this guy'
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: not sure it goes like that.... the other way fits more with this chapter ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Agatha :)
Agatha Macbeth: Sure
Agatha Macbeth: YW


Eliza

Eliza Madrigal: I'm going to write more extensively, so don't worry if anyone has to leave....
Mickorod Renard: I will have to go shortly
Eden Haiku: listens to Eliza :)
Agatha Macbeth: Extensive is good
Eliza Madrigal: My impression of this chapter and the 3 levels he outlines toward the end, feed into a vision that is perhaps similar to Mick's puzzle ...
Mickorod Renard: ah its ok,,..no rush
Eliza Madrigal: something that also came up in a dream years ago, but which was closed to me for a long while
Eden Haiku: Was fascinated to learn you have a son Agatha, you are so very discrete about yourself :)
Agatha Macbeth: I have two
Eden Haiku: Wow!
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry Liz
Eden Haiku: listening
Eliza Madrigal: nooo no worries at all :) Eden is right
Eliza Madrigal: and I should have typed before :P

Eliza Madrigal: anyway, discrete scenes of life, settings, persons...some lighted some dark, some moving some still, some elevated some descending
Eden Haiku: lovely
Eliza Madrigal: on one level I am focused in closely, on another, there is more of an expanded impression and juxtaposition, interrelations
Eliza Madrigal: how each feeds in or matters to another
Mickorod Renard: yeh!
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: and then there is the whole mandala
Eliza Madrigal: in my case, there was a large tree at the very center [ post-session I realized, of course it is a tree. I'm not allowed (health reasons) to be out in the full sun for long periods of time, if at all. ]
Eliza Madrigal: and beneath it, refugees...
Eliza Madrigal: light wasn't reaching that space
Eliza Madrigal: but was spattered about elsewhere
Eliza Madrigal: as I work with TSK, what happens is that this breathes more
stevenaia Michinaga: must go another RL meeting :(... see you soon
Eliza Madrigal: I breathe with the back of my head....
Agatha Macbeth: TC Steve
Wol Euler: bye stevie, take care
Eliza Madrigal: bye stevie :)
Eden Haiku: bye S.
Eliza Madrigal: and have to bring the light and breath to the rest....
Eliza Madrigal: hard to describe
Eliza Madrigal: but my sense is that everything becomes more animated
Eliza Madrigal: and available
Eliza Madrigal: lifetimes and visions and relationships and 'scenes'
Eliza Madrigal: end
Eden Haiku: Wow! What a mandala Eliza!
Mickorod Renard: it sure is
Eden Haiku: And I love the fact refugees sneak in TSK...
Eliza Madrigal: so the tree is my mountain, in that sense
Eliza Madrigal: I'll write about the practicalities in the wiki though
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: They came in under a truck
Eden Haiku: :)

Eliza Madrigal: I do think this chapter is about embodiment.... embodying space in a sense
Eliza Madrigal: I'm not entirely sure who those refugees are, but there is a feeling of responsibility for them
Eliza Madrigal: over the years, there were some things that happened in this setting that later 'came true'
Eliza Madrigal: not anything lofty....silly small things
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: They're the worst
Eden Haiku: Maybe it,s us, poor souls trying to understand Time Space and Knowledge?
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
Eliza Madrigal: that must be it
Mickorod Renard: or just an altruistic by product
Agatha Macbeth: Easier to survive big things than little things

The Next Few Weeks

Bleu Oleander: :) ... the author ends with "the issue is simply to learn to appreciate what is "here" ordinarily and the path to this appreciation seems to require these transitional perspectives" ... I think there are many paths to appreciating what is here, who we are and where we are.
Wol Euler: by-standers, outside-standers and in-sneakers
Eliza Madrigal: So we have about 4 weeks to unpack this chapter, the ones that have come before, and anywhere else we wish to go. I liked that Steven said TSK is SKT, KTS, KST, etc
Mickorod Renard: yes, nice Bleu
Eden Haiku: Many paths, yes :)
Eliza Madrigal: many paths at once
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eden Haiku: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: I hope to be able to connect better with Daedalus so he can get his writings onto the wiki for us
Agatha Macbeth: Shame it's too early for him
Eliza Madrigal: Mondays seem better for him
Eden Haiku: Was there supposed to be something like the "88 days' about TSK on the Wiki?
Agatha Macbeth: Would be good if I remembered them
Eliza Madrigal: The idea originally was for people to comment on the outline pages
Eden Haiku: Outline pages?
Bleu Oleander: I started doing that :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes, where we've commented before... the first few sessions have some comments and discussion
Eden Haiku: Ah, I see what you mean....
Eliza Madrigal: yes, long interesting dialog with Darren and Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: about teachers and such

Bleu Oleander: one about "experts" with Bruce and I too :)
Eliza Madrigal: Is that on the outline pages?
Eden Haiku: Yes, I read that, I remember now :)
Agatha Macbeth: Is Bruce rehearsing?
Bleu Oleander: I"m not sure what page its on
Mickorod Renard: think so
Agatha Macbeth: Aww bad timing
Eliza Madrigal: yes Bruce and Aph are rehearsing, but we have some weeks
Bleu Oleander: dress rehearsal going on upstairs
Bleu Oleander: show is march 20
Eliza Madrigal: https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2016/03/2016.03.14_13:00_-_TSK:_(And_a)_Great_Time_was_had_by_all_:) <--Bruce and Bleu, in comments on Monday's session

Mickorod Renard: ok,,i need to go now...lovely to be here with everyone,,,and i feel we are getting somewhere
Wol Euler smiles.
Eden Haiku: Bye bye Mick!
Bleu Oleander: bye Mick

Eliza Madrigal: Over the next few weeks, as we begin to be more random, I'm going to need help choosing the exercises....or figuring out how to coordinate everyone
Eliza Madrigal: Okay thanks Mick!
Agatha Macbeth applauds Mick
Eliza Madrigal: ::claps:::
Mickorod Renard: bye bye everone
Agatha Macbeth: Best of luck
Bleu Oleander: is the idea to focus on the exercises and not read the commentary?
Wol Euler: bye mick, take care
Eliza Madrigal: so hope everyone can skim for juicy a bit
Eliza Madrigal: I wouldn't say not read the commentary
Eliza Madrigal: but not give impression everyone needs to :)
Eden Haiku: What kind of help would you need Eliza?
Bleu Oleander: reading the commentary definitely influences the exercises for me

Eliza Madrigal: It would be nice to choose a few TIME exercises, then KNOWLEDGE exercises, then come back
Eliza Madrigal: mix and match a bit
Eliza Madrigal: as your report said so eloquently Bleu, to keep us out of the delusion of familiarity :)))
Bleu Oleander: yes!

Eden Haiku: Ah I see. I can take a look. You mean we won't do all of them but it's better if we are on the same page?
Eliza Madrigal: for someone not connecting with the material that seems sooo insightful! :)))
Agatha Macbeth: Familiarity breeds delusion
Eliza Madrigal: I think so Eden, not exactly clear... so that's why asking for help :)
Eliza Madrigal: maybe we can think about it and piece together in next few Mondays
Eliza Madrigal: ?
Eden Haiku: We could hop from a Time exercise to a knowledge exercise you mean?
Agatha Macbeth: Back to the jigsaw
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Bleu Oleander: sounds good to me
Eden Haiku: Let us mull that :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: for me, I'll keep going linear too, but also want to try this hopping around Steven seemed to suggest might be more fun
Agatha Macbeth: Mulled jigsaw
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eden Haiku: Funny, I realize I kind of trust the linear exercises....
Eliza Madrigal: me too :)
Eliza Madrigal: if the exercises can be played with on their own... then it might help everyone take lightly, not feel bogged down
Bleu Oleander: I'm ok either way
Wol Euler: okay
Eliza Madrigal: might as well try it? like twister? hahah

Wol Euler: but if I may, let's do another week of "vanilla" and finish this chapter first
Eliza Madrigal: absolutely Wol. We won't move on until about the 2nd week of April
Eliza Madrigal: after the party and show
Wol Euler: good
Agatha Macbeth: Vanilla!
Eden Haiku: yes yes Wol, you are right. Vanilla for now :)
Agatha Macbeth: I prefer blueberry
Agatha Macbeth: Blueberry fields for ever
Bleu Oleander: looking forward to choclate :)
Eliza Madrigal: lemon sorbet :)
Bleu Oleander: oooo
Agatha Macbeth: Wait a week :p

Eden Haiku: Sun is coming back after the sudden rain. I will be going for a walk. Bye everyone!
Eliza Madrigal: yay, have a nice walk Eden
Agatha Macbeth: She is?
Bleu Oleander: must go too
Eliza Madrigal: and everyone, thanks so much
Bleu Oleander: take care all
Eliza Madrigal: Tura I'm so glad you came back to join us
Wol Euler: bye bleu, walk well
Bleu Oleander: don't forget play on the 20th
Eden Haiku: Thank you Eliza, it's been a great session!
Wol Euler: and bye everyone, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Sunday?
Wol Euler: be green
Bleu Oleander: yes
Tura Brezoianu: thanks all for the meeting
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Bleu Oleander: byeee
Eliza Madrigal: (((hugs and thanks)))))
Eden Haiku: Yes, welcome Tura in these sessions :)
Agatha Macbeth looks up Liz's skirt
Tura Brezoianu: bye for now
Eliza Madrigal: :P
Eliza Madrigal: green undies
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Agatha Macbeth: Wasn't that a song?
Eliza Madrigal: uh oh, the tan came back on my feet....
Eliza Madrigal: ah well, bye for now
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
Wol Euler: bye eliza <3
Wol Euler: take care, puzzle well
Agatha Macbeth: ♥

After session chat ...

Wol Euler: and bye aggers!
Agatha Macbeth: Be totally serious
Wol Euler: nice t-shirt
Wol Euler: I shall try
Agatha Macbeth: Arr
Agatha Macbeth: Someone told me what it meant
Agatha Macbeth: I said 'oh'
Wol Euler grins.
Agatha Macbeth: What does the fox say
Wol Euler: indeed
Agatha Macbeth: Nice to see you looking human again
Agatha Macbeth: I don't think you are totally serious you know
Wol Euler: it's been a while
Wol Euler: it is hard
Agatha Macbeth: It has
Wol Euler: even here
Agatha Macbeth: Brings back memories
Wol Euler cheers!
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Who was that famous skater?
Wol Euler: Toller Cranston
Wol Euler: if you are a Canadian
Agatha Macbeth: Naw, a woman
Wol Euler: no idea who the Brits might consider to be one
Agatha Macbeth: Became an actress
Agatha Macbeth: In the 40s Ithink
Agatha Macbeth: My mother used to talk about her
Wol Euler: wow
Wol Euler: no idea
Agatha Macbeth: Sonja somebody?
Wol Euler: was there skating then?
Agatha Macbeth: Course
Wol Euler: british? russian? greek?
Agatha Macbeth: Swedish I think
Agatha Macbeth: Could be wrong tho
Wol Euler: Sonja Henie
Wol Euler: says wikipedia
Agatha Macbeth: After she went to Hollywood, she couldn't be in the olympics any more cos she wasn't classed as an amateur
Agatha Macbeth: Yes!
Wol Euler: She was a three-time Olympic Champion (1928, 1932, 1936) in Ladies' Singles, a ten-time World Champion (1927–1936) and a six-time European Champion (1931–1936). Henie won more Olympic and World titles than any other ladies' figure skater. At the height of her acting career she was one of the highest paid stars in Hollywood.
Wol Euler: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonja_Henie
Agatha Macbeth: Wow, that long
Agatha Macbeth nods
Agatha Macbeth: Is she still alive?
Wol Euler: and nobody but you and your Mom and the author of that article know of her today
Wol Euler: died in 1969, aged 47
Wol Euler: *57
Agatha Macbeth: Not even mom now...
Agatha Macbeth: Oh blimey
Wol Euler: ah
Agatha Macbeth: Well the things we do learn
Agatha Macbeth: How's Mew and ß these days?
Wol Euler: making music three times a week, as always
Agatha Macbeth: Glad they're still at it
Agatha Macbeth: (Music)
Wol Euler: you're welcome to come along
Wol Euler: and they are still at it
Agatha Macbeth: It's finding the time
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder if things get easier when you retire?
Wol Euler: timewise? probably
Agatha Macbeth grins
Wol Euler: but not necessarily, my mother is just as busy as before
Wol Euler: differently busy though
Wol Euler: busy by choice
Agatha Macbeth: Or do the days just get shoerter? Hehe
Agatha Macbeth: Without the e
Wol Euler: turn off your AO
Wol Euler grins.
Wol Euler: there
Agatha Macbeth: Looked OK to moi
Wol Euler: I saw yiou with crossed legs up in the air
Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
Agatha Macbeth: That's the default sit I guess
Wol Euler: anyway, I shall move on
Agatha Macbeth: OK
Agatha Macbeth: Be kind to the orcs
Wol Euler: I haven't seen you much in Azeroth lately, have you gone off that?
Agatha Macbeth: I find it gets old pretty quick
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe I just need a break
Wol Euler: well, you are seeing only the first twenty levels of a hundred-level game
Agatha Macbeth: True
Wol Euler: if you were to stop a song after eight bars and repeat them, that would get old too
Wol Euler: but yes to be honest, it is all about exploring and killing stuff, and selling the loot
Wol Euler: that is true
Agatha Macbeth: At least with a video game you get a story
Agatha Macbeth: Even if it's largely incomprehensible
Wol Euler: true
Wol Euler: that is harder to do in a multiplayer world though, since everyone is on different parts of the story
Wol Euler: necessarily
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Agatha Macbeth: What would felicia Day say?
Wol Euler: she plays WoW
Agatha Macbeth: I bet!
Wol Euler: is famous for dancing on top of mailboxes
Agatha Macbeth: I can imagine
Wol Euler: healer gnome
Agatha Macbeth: Gnome heal thyself
--BELL--
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: anyway, I am off to kill some orcs before bed
Agatha Macbeth: OK
Agatha Macbeth: Try not to be too serious
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: you too
Wol Euler: enjoy the yiffing
Agatha Macbeth: Awoo
Wol Euler: 3
Wol Euler: <3
Agatha Macbeth: 4
Agatha Macbeth: ♥
Agatha Macbeth: Bye recorder