The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

Aphrodite Macbain: 's current display-name is "Aph".
Mickorod Renard: hi aph
Mickorod Renard: didnt see u there
Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Aphrodite Macbain: Oops Hiya
Mickorod Renard: hiya bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Bley and Mick
Aphrodite Macbain: and Agers
Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
Mickorod Renard: hiya ags
Agatha Macbeth: Are we playing tennis?
Mickorod Renard: good hol Aph?
Bleu Oleander: ha!
Aphrodite Macbain: yes thanks. It feels like ages ago already. How have the dream sessions been going?
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: I managed to miss the first one
Bleu Oleander: we only had one so far
Mickorod Renard: I dont know, I havnt been yet
Aphrodite Macbain: good attendance?
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: 2nd one tomorrow at 12pm
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Raff
Mickorod Renard: hi Raffi
Aphrodite Macbain: I havent had a moment to begin reading about Adam and Eve. Is that discussion happening on Thursday?
Bleu Oleander: hi Raffi
Raffila Millgrove: hi everyone.
Aphrodite Macbain waves at Raffi
Bleu Oleander: mondays and thursdays Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: oops so you are discussing the book today?
Bruce Mowbray: 's current display-name is "Bruce".
Bleu Oleander: today we're starting chapter 2
Mickorod Renard: Hi Brucie
Aphrodite Macbain: I'll add it to my list....
Mickorod Renard: he he
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, everyone. Still rezzing.
Agatha Macbeth: Brucie :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Bruce
Mickorod Renard: at least the chapters are not too big
Agatha Macbeth: You old rezzer you
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Mickorod Renard: Its a fun book so far but I am still falling asleep whilst reading ..I think due to being so nackered
Agatha Macbeth: You need more volcanoes
Bruce Mowbray looks u "nackered"
Bruce Mowbray: up*
Mickorod Renard: oh yes, not tested in school yet
Bruce Mowbray: .... and hurricanes.
Bruce Mowbray: (anyone heard from Zen?)
Agatha Macbeth: It's pretty windy here right now
Mickorod Renard: yes, the weather was wierd today
Agatha Macbeth: Zen?
Agatha Macbeth: Is he alright?
Bleu Oleander: big storm in Ireland
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh
Bruce Mowbray: Zen lives in Northen Ireland -- getting a direct hit from Ophelia.
Bleu Oleander: yes
Agatha Macbeth: We must be getting the tail end then
Mickorod Renard: dunno, but he is in the north and I think they weathered it well
Bruce Mowbray: OK. Thanks.
Bruce Mowbray: Zen is in the extreme northeast of Ireland.

To business

Bruce Mowbray: Does anyone know if we'll be doing reports with this book?
Bruce Mowbray: and if so, on which day, Monday or Thursday?
Bleu Oleander: I don't think so Bruce, but you can if you want
Bleu Oleander: just discussion I thought
Mickorod Renard: well..I think during these early weeks we are bedding into it
Bruce Mowbray: Well, having spent most of the day in another town having a tooth pulled, I have not prepared a report . . but . . .
Mickorod Renard: could be a plan
Bleu Oleander: but if you have one.... go ahead
Agatha Macbeth: Ow
Bruce Mowbray: Well, just three things to note:
Mickorod Renard: great!
Bruce Mowbray: One: There are TWO creation stories in Genesis.
Bruce Mowbray: Two: WE are inside of this story....
Aphrodite Macbain: ?
Bruce Mowbray: (all mankind, humankind is.)
Aphrodite Macbain: inside?
Bruce Mowbray: and Three: The story's power comes partly from the idea that we don't know what will happen to Adam and Eve when they leave the garden,
Bruce Mowbray: which is also our predicament.
Bruce Mowbray: done.
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Eliza.
Agatha Macbeth: What *did* happen to them?
Mickorod Renard: nice observation Bruce.......I like that
Aphrodite Macbain: when you say we are all inside the story, do you mean all of amnkind is implicated in it?
Bruce Mowbray: I will give you an update on the chat.
Bleu Oleander: hi Eliza
Agatha Macbeth waves to Liz
Mickorod Renard: Hi Eliza
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Eliza~
Raffila Millgrove: hi Eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Lizzie the legs
Bleu Oleander: we did find out about Adam and Eve, yes?
Eliza Madrigal: Sorry to be late :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, from the viewpoint of the story itself, all of humankind is included.
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: kk
Bleu Oleander: well, we wrote the story, right?
Bruce Mowbray gets a catch up copy for Eliza.
Agatha Macbeth: I'd like to know where they went afterwards
Agatha Macbeth: Did they follow Cain?
Mickorod Renard: I am sort of confused,,they had kids that then had more
Aphrodite Macbain: I dont think it says
Aphrodite Macbain: no begats there
Agatha Macbeth: Or did he come after?
Aphrodite Macbain: much after Aggers
Agatha Macbeth: Suppose he must have
Bleu Oleander: they did have some kids
Bleu Oleander: we should probably read the story too :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hang on, where was Cain when he killed Abel?
Aphrodite Macbain: read Genesis
Bleu Oleander: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: In the dark Aggers
Agatha Macbeth hits Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: ouch
Mickorod Renard: it is short I think
Bleu Oleander: very short
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- compared to the other books
Bleu Oleander: couple of pages
Aphrodite Macbain: many begats though
Bruce Mowbray: Cain would have been the father . . of all the rest of us.... but do NOT TAKE THIS STORY literally!
Mickorod Renard: could skip them
Agatha Macbeth: Don't suppose there was much else to do
Aphrodite Macbain: This is a myth
Aphrodite Macbain: that people believe in
Aphrodite Macbain: they are uoutside history
Bleu Oleander: where did Cain's wife come from?
Agatha Macbeth: No writing then
Mickorod Renard: I like to think of it as a stand in story,
Aphrodite Macbain: somehwere in the middle east
--BELL--
Mickorod Renard: a long long time ago
Aphrodite Macbain: Syria or Mesopotamia
Aphrodite Macbain: semitic peoples
Aphrodite Macbain: nomads and farmers
Bruce Mowbray: Even in ancient Mesopotamia it would have been thought of as a "myth" --- a certain sort of narrative with significance outside of actualy historical events.
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Bruce Mowbray: actual*
Aphrodite Macbain: It came out of the stories they told themselves. Out of oral tradition
Bruce Mowbray: Indeed, Aph.
Bruce Mowbray: Sort of like George Washington cutting down the cherry tree and not lying about it.
Mickorod Renard: I can copy a section in if u like
Mickorod Renard: to read
Eliza Madrigal: Comforting to think there were times before a kind of demand to hoop jump re belief
Bruce Mowbray: Great point, Eliza.
Bleu Oleander: interesting that it might have been written down during captivity in Babylon
Agatha Macbeth ponders a hoop jump
Bruce Mowbray makes note of no "hoop-jumping"
Bleu Oleander: where many people from different cultures mixed
Mickorod Renard: and that there may have been several writers involved
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: a blend of ideas from yet older creation myths
Bruce Mowbray: Most indigenous people have their own creation myths/narratives.
Eliza Madrigal: I appreciated so much, his contextualizing in that way
Bleu Oleander: yes me too
Bruce Mowbray nods, me too, Eliza.
Mickorod Renard: I was reminded of how my grand daughter often asks where we come from and who was daddy when he was young etc,,,,,,,,,,,,there is a need to know of our roots
Bleu Oleander: its fun to read some of the other myths
Bleu Oleander: Enuma Elish
Bleu Oleander: Gilgamesh
Aphrodite Macbain: Enkidu
Aphrodite Macbain: Shamash
Aphrodite Macbain: the flood
Bleu Oleander: great stories
Bruce Mowbray: Gilgamesh . . .
Agatha Macbeth: Old Gil!
Agatha Macbeth: Bless him
Bruce Mowbray: :) and the Aboriginal songlines.
Aphrodite Macbain: I had a hamster I called MArduk after the Mesopotamian god
Agatha Macbeth: Dijeridoos?
Eliza Madrigal: :) Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: He kinda looked like a little verson
Bleu Oleander: his story is the Enuma Elish
Aphrodite Macbain: right
Aphrodite Macbain: written on clay tablets in cuneiform
Bleu Oleander: yep
Aphrodite Macbain: Hammurabi wrote a code of ethics
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm
Eliza Madrigal: I found myself thinking of the film Inception when considering the desire to find an origin story, when they try to trace back steps and can't, so then realize it is a dream.
Bleu Oleander: makes note to watch that
Aphrodite Macbain: ...just checked the great god Google and apparently Cain and Abel werethe first sons of Adam and Eve Aggers.
Bleu Oleander: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Think I'll stick with the big bang, it's way easier
Eliza Madrigal nods
Bruce Mowbray is really a butterfly dreaming he's an avatar dreaming he's a man.
Bleu Oleander: and then Seth :)
Mickorod Renard: I have a short piece on that bit if anyone wants it pasting in chat?
Aphrodite Macbain: Oh Seth! He hung out with Anubis
Bruce Mowbray: Sure, go for it Mick.
Eliza Madrigal: sure
Aphrodite Macbain: sure Mick
Agatha Macbeth: That was Set Aph :p
Mickorod Renard: Sent out into the world, Adam and Eve give birth to two sons, Cain and Abel. Cain, a farmer, offers God a portion of his crops one day as a sacrifice, only to learn that God is more pleased when Abel, a herdsman, presents God with the fattest portion of his flocks. Enraged, Cain kills his brother. God exiles Cain from his home to wander in the land east of Eden. Adam and Eve give birth to a third son, Seth. Through Seth and Cain, the human race begins to grow.
Agatha Macbeth: So they were still in the neighbourhood
Mickorod Renard: done
Aphrodite Macbain: what about the mothers?
Bruce Mowbray: uhhhhh. No daughters/
Bruce Mowbray: ???
Agatha Macbeth: No, they just don't get a mention
Aphrodite Macbain: Darwin would not approve
Bruce Mowbray: So maybe is was Adam and Steve after all!!!
Bleu Oleander: daughters were not cool back then :)
Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
Mickorod Renard: Ten generations pass, and humankind becomes more evil. God begins to lament his creation and makes plans to destroy humankind completely.
Bruce Mowbray listens
Agatha Macbeth pushes Bruce in the pool
Aphrodite Macbain: enter...Noah
Mickorod Renard: then it moves to noah story
Agatha Macbeth: Noah!
Mickorod Renard: voila
Bruce Mowbray: hmmm.... only ten generations to get to Noah.
Agatha Macbeth: Lets have a flood and solve everything
Eliza Madrigal: careful what you wish for :)
Aphrodite Macbain: just as well Noah sought out girls as well as boys
Bleu Oleander: or maybe a huge hurricane?
Mickorod Renard: yes Bruce but they lived for a long time
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Bruce Mowbray: Right.
Aphrodite Macbain: centuries!
Bruce Mowbray: "No more water, the fire next time."
Bruce Mowbray: "There were giants in the earth in those days..." (wh lived a LONG time!)
Bruce Mowbray: who*
Agatha Macbeth: Nimrod?
Mickorod Renard: I am sure we all are on common ground when we consider that the story has some irregularities
Bruce Mowbray: all of the dude priot to Noah.
Aphrodite Macbain: Methusela lived 929 years...
Agatha Macbeth: I loved his variation
Bruce Mowbray: prior*
Bleu Oleander: so do you all accept this story as myth?
Eliza Madrigal: haven't had a chance to say how much I'm enjoying the process of just reading this book... the notion of the role of holotype was written out beautifully
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bruce Mowbray fears that his typist's pain medication is beginning to kick in . . . (codeine)
Bleu Oleander: quite wide ranging in ideas
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Eliza Madrigal: pobrecito ((Bruce))
Agatha Macbeth: Pob- who?
Aphrodite Macbain: does that mean you're sleepy Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: I regard it as myth, but that does not mean that it does not have "true" significance.
Eliza Madrigal: these stories seem archetypal mirrorw
Eliza Madrigal: mirrors*
Aphrodite Macbain: poor little Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like a town in Mexico
Bleu Oleander: agree Bruce
Mickorod Renard: I am suspicious that it may be a hoax...however I am going to reserve judgement until I have read this book
Bleu Oleander: what is that significance today?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, archetypal. . . or, as Goldblatt put it, holotypical.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: what do you think is a hoax Mick?
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Mickorod Renard: the genesis story Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: ah
Bruce Mowbray: "myth" does NOT mean "hoax" in this context.
Aphrodite Macbain: no more than any other myth
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, not sure hoax is the right word
Bleu Oleander: myth not hoax
Aphrodite Macbain: It's a story people told themselves
Bleu Oleander: yes
Agatha Macbeth: I'll call the police and report a Genesis
Bruce Mowbray: falsehood? But myth does not mean that in this context, either.
Bleu Oleander: not false either
Bleu Oleander: a myth to think with
Bruce Mowbray: Right, Bleu.
Aphrodite Macbain: myths explain many things, including how we first begain
Mickorod Renard: but when it was written it may have not been a myth
Bleu Oleander: we have a different understanding today
Aphrodite Macbain: The First Nations people believed we came out of a clam chell
Mickorod Renard: it may have been written purely as a fiction
Bleu Oleander: many considered it true for many years
Bruce Mowbray: The Genesis creation stories do not "work" for me - - - but that' only because I have other stories to explain creation. . . like the Big Bang.
Aphrodite Macbain: It wasn't written down until many years afterwards Mick
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe cos there wasn't anything better
Aphrodite Macbain: up until it was written down there were hundreds of years of oral history
Mickorod Renard: yes Aph but what I mean is..that the myth didnt exist until it was written?
Mickorod Renard: perhaps
Aphrodite Macbain: It existeed well before it was written Mick
Aphrodite Macbain: in the form of oral stories
Bleu Oleander: I think the elements existed a long time
Bleu Oleander: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Only spoken
Mickorod Renard: how do we know?
Bleu Oleander: by looking at older myths
Aphrodite Macbain: that's a science in itself
Bleu Oleander: same stories
Eliza Madrigal: my son and I were talking about the changes in some parts of the world over the course of decades, and the way some areas were far more cosmopolitan than they have become. He's only known a forward looking world, so doesn't quite feel the idea that we could go from working with myths (back) to demanded beliefs.
Aphrodite Macbain: many similar creation myths
Aphrodite Macbain: like may flood myths
Aphrodite Macbain: many
Mickorod Renard: well, if i was writing a story I would have to draw from my memories
Bleu Oleander: demanded beliefs?
Agatha Macbeth: We want beliefs!
Aphrodite Macbain: you would draw from the stories you heard as you grew up MIck
Mickorod Renard: I wondered whether someone was conscripted to write a story to become a myth
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Bleu Oleander: that's too modern a notion!
Mickorod Renard: to tye up loose ends ,,one could say
Eliza Madrigal: solidity, I suppose, tribalisms that tend to make roles concrete
Aphrodite Macbain: Myths are a way of explaining our world
Aphrodite Macbain: based more on speculation that experience
Mickorod Renard: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: That's how religions develop
Bruce Mowbray: “Emptiness is about getting rid of beliefs. Believers in emptiness are incurable.” – Nagarjuna
Bleu Oleander: a belief also :)
Bruce Mowbray: For sure, Blue!
Aphrodite Macbain: Fundamentalists believe them to be true
Mickorod Renard: like for eg,,if they were writing a book on God,,someone would have asked where was God at the beginning,,and they would say,,,yikes we had better do a story from the beginning
Bruce Mowbray: Fundamentalism is a very recent phenomenon . . . in Christianity's history. Only coming in the 19th Century.
Bleu Oleander: what we think is true ... what others think are just their beliefs
Eliza Madrigal nods Bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: I suspect there were religious men/priests who also epeate these tories
Aphrodite Macbain: repeat... stories
Agatha Macbeth: Don't mention the Tories Aph
Bruce Mowbray: Good point, Aph.
Bruce Mowbray: The priestly function. . .
Aphrodite Macbain: and some scrbes took the time to write them down at some point
Bleu Oleander: and also to re-write them
Aphrodite Macbain: These texts are littered all over the deserts of the Levant
Agatha Macbeth: me wonders if Raff is OK
Eliza Madrigal: maybe they started off as parables rather than propaganda
Bruce Mowbray: (as if writing them down would make them more true, or more beliavble? or more lating?)
Mickorod Renard: personnallly I dont think the story could have been passed down that far..early folk prob couldnt speak
Bruce Mowbray: lating*
Bruce Mowbray: lasting*
Eliza Madrigal: jealousy and such was probably there before people started to articulate the stories
Aphrodite Macbain: the arc of the covenant are scrolls written down to telll the story of the Israelites
Bleu Oleander: sure, people have been speaking a long time
Aphrodite Macbain: these scrolls are seacred texts
Agatha Macbeth: I thought they were the 10 commandments Aph
Bleu Oleander: some of their stories are very similar to other cultures stories
Bruce Mowbray: The Torah (first 5 books of the "Old Testament" ) are considered acred texts.
Raffila Millgrove: I think the book doesn't dwell on "unrecorded" history of Adam and Eve story. Only begins his story when the documents had already been written down. could be wrong in that. but he doesn't address who/how the story was first written/told. Did I miss something?
Bruce Mowbray: sacred. . .
Bruce Mowbray: (the "s" on this keyboard only works when it feels like it)
Agatha Macbeth: Like Ara
Eliza Madrigal: my keyboard is sticking today... by the time I type something the moment has moved :)
Bleu Oleander: he does talk about a theory of how the stories came to be written down
Bleu Oleander: "the documentary hypothesis" Wellhausen
Raffila Millgrove: ok. i can to scan fast.. because I just got the book from the library yesterday so I am doind some catch up.
Bruce Mowbray: afk for a sec....
Eliza Madrigal: yes that was interesting... late 1800
Bleu Oleander: roughly it involves 4 different sources that came together in 5th century or so
--BELL--
Mickorod Renard: its tricky cos we dont know where Greenblatt is going
Aphrodite Macbain: nods, Much later than the time they are describing. So imagine how the stories had morphed over 4000 years!
Agatha Macbeth: Yes that's quite a while
Eliza Madrigal: he says this throwaway kind of line about that scholars didn't seem to imagine Adams having been alone very long. It seems kind of a blindspot in the imagining of timelines for creation
Mickorod Renard: I also find myself fighting an urge to reject negativness due to having an attachment to the bible
Eliza Madrigal: Adam* !
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Agatha Macbeth: Adams!
Aphrodite Macbain: sounds normal Mick
Agatha Macbeth: Gets in everywhere
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Mickorod Renard: trying to understand that Eliza
Mickorod Renard: hang on
Aphrodite Macbain: It's not negative Mick. It's just recognizing the value these stories have. They still give us a sense of the life of the time and of their belief systems
Eliza Madrigal: that all in one day adam was created then named all the creatures except for fish...
Aphrodite Macbain: They are also a form of poetry
Mickorod Renard: ah yes, ty
Bleu Oleander: yes
Agatha Macbeth: It was a long day Liz
Bruce Mowbray: The Bible has enormous value and significance to me too, Mick.
Eliza Madrigal: :) Agatha
Agatha Macbeth pokes you
Bruce Mowbray: But I do not feel that one can take the bible both seriously and literally. I prefer to take it seriously.
Bleu Oleander: studying the bible can increase its significance
Agatha Macbeth imagines God getting in from work and saying 'What a day I just had'
Bruce Mowbray: Absolutely, Bleu.
Eliza Madrigal: I feel thankful to talk about the bible in this kind of context
Mickorod Renard: also,,what is wierd,,is that if God wanted Adam to have a friend why did he give oone with a female reproduction facility? if it was going to lead to no good
Aphrodite Macbain: No wonder he rested on the 7th day
Agatha Macbeth: Waiting for the adventists
Bruce Mowbray: Theodicy, Mick. The problem of how eveil came into the world.
Bruce Mowbray: evil*
Eliza Madrigal: see...the woman as no good is deeply embedded
Bruce Mowbray: (my spelling is evil today)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Bleu Oleander: there is a great old testament class on line Yale ... we met with the professor on a recent trip ... really interesting class if interested
Agatha Macbeth: Send for the dragon!
Bruce Mowbray: YES, Eliza! I was waiting for someone to point that out. . .
Bleu Oleander: http://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/rlst-145
Eliza Madrigal: am interested in such a class but without the time to pursue atm :(
Agatha Macbeth: You need a tardis Liz
Bleu Oleander: always a choice ... pesky time thing
Bruce Mowbray: Some see this myth as a departure from the feminine-based earth goddess religions.
Aphrodite Macbain: It is from this story that the belief in original sin arose. We have to make amends for the foolishness of Adam and Eve.
Eliza Madrigal: nods nods nods Agatha
Mickorod Renard: good point Bruce
Bleu Oleander: very interesting when he gets to Milton re Eve and women
Eliza Madrigal: I wonder about that Bruce... one wonders whether it is a correction later on, enhancing the goddess stories
Bleu Oleander: actually Augustine was the original sin component
Eliza Madrigal: or whether there was ever a time when there wasn't a kind of competition set up
Bruce Mowbray: God (who was once female/material/earthy) becomes male/spiritual/masculine.
Bleu Oleander: also discussed coming up
Bleu Oleander: competition?
Mickorod Renard: can u say more?
Aphrodite Macbain: Godesses were more popular within agrarian societies. When the hunters and gathers existed, they needed srong men.
Bruce Mowbray: Indeed, Aph.
Eliza Madrigal: I tend to read the Adam and Eve story as setting up a competition, in a way. Her fault/his fault
Aphrodite Macbain: and had male gods
Eliza Madrigal: or at least it having been interpreted that way, thus defining roles going forward
Aphrodite Macbain: dont forget the snake!
Eliza Madrigal: she and the snake were friendlier
Bleu Oleander: interesting, I didn't see it as a competition
Eliza Madrigal: )
Aphrodite Macbain: It represents early base needs
Bruce Mowbray: The snake ws make to crawl on its belly for the rest of its days.
Bleu Oleander: I think if it was, Adam won LOL
Agatha Macbeth: It had legs?
Aphrodite Macbain: that explained that phenomenon
Eliza Madrigal: adam wrote the books after all
Bleu Oleander: ha!
Bruce Mowbray: I'd agree that there is clearly a vertical orientation to good/bad. . . Good being higher, of course.
Aphrodite Macbain: kind of took evolution in a backwards direction
Mickorod Renard: well, this also reminds me of metaphorical layered meanings
Bruce Mowbray: (I think the Jews felt that Moses wrote the books, actually.)
Eliza Madrigal nods Mick
Bruce Mowbray: For sure, Mick.
Eliza Madrigal: if we were an actors' troupe we might all try out the various roles and each would unpack a different set of stories but maybe with similar themes?
Agatha Macbeth: Lets get to the theatre
Bleu Oleander: as they did over the many years
Mickorod Renard: this is for me the magic of the bible..it does speak to the individual
Aphrodite Macbain: Nice Liz. Maybe we can each tell our story of the genesis of PaB.
Bruce Mowbray: It surely does, Mick.
Eliza Madrigal: NICE idea Aph :))
Bleu Oleander: Milton was quite creative with the story!!
Agatha Macbeth: PaBesis
Aphrodite Macbain: PaBenesis
Agatha Macbeth: That too
Bruce Mowbray: Milton is the supreme idealist!
Eliza Madrigal is so happy to be made to finally read Milton
Aphrodite Macbain: Milto was full of wonderful stories
Aphrodite Macbain: also Milton
Bleu Oleander: even the artists over the years have shaped the story in their own ways
Mickorod Renard: we still have thursday..any ideas of path?
Aphrodite Macbain: I had to memorize chapters of Paradise Lost in Grade 10. Good stuff!
Bleu Oleander: yes, me too ... had to read Paradise Lost
Agatha Macbeth: Did you find it again?
Aphrodite Macbain: never
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Eliza Madrigal experienced piecemeal
Bruce Mowbray: Time for me to be scraping up the soft dinner I'll be making tonight . . gotta protect this wound in my mouth.
Aphrodite Macbain: still looking
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: bye Bruce
Mickorod Renard: bye Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: feel better Bruce!
Agatha Macbeth: Scrape well Brucie
Bruce Mowbray: Thank you all.
Aphrodite Macbain: eat gently
Agatha Macbeth: Chew on the other side
Bruce Mowbray: See you Thursday.
Aphrodite Macbain: byee
Eliza Madrigal: is everyone up to basically the same part now?
Mickorod Renard: might read gennesis
Aphrodite Macbain: I have to start....
Mickorod Renard: I have read chapter 2
Agatha Macbeth: I prefer to listen to them
Aphrodite Macbain: Where are we headingby Thursday?
Aphrodite Macbain: Chapter 3?
Eliza Madrigal: I've also read through Chapter 2
Bleu Oleander: shall we move to 3?
Mickorod Renard: could do...
Eliza Madrigal: have we scratched the surface yet...?
Mickorod Renard: should we tall Bruce?
Mickorod Renard: tell*
Aphrodite Macbain: I can
Mickorod Renard: gerat,,ok if we can manage 3 before thursady but no pressure
Bleu Oleander: no pressure
Bleu Oleander: 2 - 3
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: righteo
Agatha Macbeth sings
Mickorod Renard: yeh,,and i must read genesis too
Aphrodite Macbain: I sen an IM to Bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: sent
Bleu Oleander: yes that too Mick
Eliza Madrigal: bye Aph :) gtsy welcome back
Mickorod Renard: bye Aph
Eliza Madrigal: bye Raffi :)
Bleu Oleander: interesting to see so much come from such a short story
Aphrodite Macbain: thanks! Bye all.
Agatha Macbeth waveth
Eliza Madrigal: bye Mick :)
Mickorod Renard: bye Raffi
Eliza Madrigal: it is, Bleu, thank you
Mickorod Renard: bye Ags
Raffila Millgrove: bye Mic, Bleu Eliza
Mickorod Renard: bye Eliza
Bleu Oleander: take care all
Mickorod Renard: Bye Bleu
Mickorod Renard: bye everyone
Bleu Oleander: bye bye
Eliza Madrigal waves

Anyway...

Agatha Macbeth: And in a poof they were gone
Eliza Madrigal: gone gone gone...
Eliza Madrigal: How are you? :)
Agatha Macbeth: Here :)
Agatha Macbeth: (Still)
Eliza Madrigal: here too
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Here today, here tomorrow
Agatha Macbeth: How's day been?
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Eliza Madrigal: the day has been....
Eliza Madrigal: rather restful, a little deep
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh
Eliza Madrigal: and for you?
Agatha Macbeth: Depth is good
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes it is
Agatha Macbeth: I think so
Agatha Macbeth: The surface tends to be facile
Agatha Macbeth: What Kurt weil called das Leichte
Eliza Madrigal: googles...
Agatha Macbeth shakes her head
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: too much surface level and one doesn't realize they are bloated and starving
Agatha Macbeth: Oh I think people would notice stuff like that
Eliza Madrigal: death by convenience
Agatha Macbeth: I wonder if death by inconvenience is better
Eliza Madrigal: or at least that's my feeling today
Eliza Madrigal: death with some sense of satisfaction is better
Agatha Macbeth: And an to a means eh
Agatha Macbeth: ??
Agatha Macbeth: What the hell did I just type
Eliza Madrigal: what I was wondering too

It should have read 'An end to a means'

Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Eliza Madrigal: I guess we'll see
Agatha Macbeth: I blame the keyboard
Eliza Madrigal: now that everyone has gone my keys are flowing freely
Agatha Macbeth: Any more on the impossible dreams?
Eliza Madrigal: think I just have too many things running on the wifi
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, will you make it tomorrow?
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Agatha Macbeth: I will!
Eliza Madrigal: we are doing an exercise...
Eliza Madrigal: so you need to catch up
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
Eliza Madrigal: :) I'll tell you but you need to leave it out of the log...

So I did

Agatha Macbeth: Blimey
Eliza Madrigal grins
Agatha Macbeth: Gotta hand it to me
Eliza Madrigal: just something to try
Eliza Madrigal: :P
Agatha Macbeth: These things get dafter
Eliza Madrigal: ...hands across the water...water...hands across the sky...."
Eliza Madrigal: the main thing is to become aware of dreaming and to make some link
Eliza Madrigal: between waking life and dreaming life
Eliza Madrigal: er, sleeping life
Eliza Madrigal: we dream in both :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh I'm aware of it, just don't remember it
Eliza Madrigal: that's part of what these things help with
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Eliza Madrigal: I think 50% of dream practice is memory practice
Agatha Macbeth: Memory is not my forte either alas
Eliza Madrigal: do you remember the 'feeling' of dreams?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh sure
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: so that's remembering dreams actually... not always about content
Agatha Macbeth: They sort of shape your day even when you don't remember them
Eliza Madrigal: YES!
Eliza Madrigal: and influence feelings of deja vu
Agatha Macbeth: Morpheus morphing
Eliza Madrigal nods nods
Eliza Madrigal: dreams probably have a lot to do with mythologies too
Agatha Macbeth: Follow the White Rabbit
Agatha Macbeth: Oh probably
Agatha Macbeth: The Dreamtime
Eliza Madrigal: and also let it go because it will show up again
Eliza Madrigal: I'm really interested that but haven't done much reading...
Eliza Madrigal: have you?
Eliza Madrigal: The Dreamtime
Agatha Macbeth: Of...
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2Wa0LdCsvM
Eliza Madrigal clicks
Agatha Macbeth oils you
Eliza Madrigal: ahhhh nice
Agatha Macbeth: Mm
Eliza Madrigal: from the description: "Bird impersonator Percy Edwards provided sheep noises."
Agatha Macbeth: Um
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe the sheep effects man was on holiday that day
Eliza Madrigal: as happens
Agatha Macbeth: It do
Eliza Madrigal: ((Aggers)) going to walk doggo at close of song
Agatha Macbeth: Woof
Eliza Madrigal: ty for session <3
Agatha Macbeth: You is welcome
Eliza Madrigal: geez I'm hovering...
Agatha Macbeth: I have to adjust mine on these cushions
Agatha Macbeth: Then remember to drop it after
Eliza Madrigal: odd
Agatha Macbeth: At least we can adjust it these days
Eliza Madrigal: true
Eliza Madrigal: have a nice night, watch your hands :)'
Agatha Macbeth: I'll try
Agatha Macbeth: TTFN