07-09 Gen Stands In for Storm

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    Storm is moving and getting married.  I think that says it, so I will be standing in for the summary of these three days. I think these snippets speak for themselves, so my comments are quite minimal, plus I am saving a little time here :)

    2009.05.07 07:00 - Conditioning, Love, and Auto-Logging


    Adams Rubble: I am finding in my life that Love is filtering slowly but yes, in a way it is surrendering to Love
    Eliza Madrigal: And it has nothing to do with 'anything that has happened'
    Adams Rubble: falling into Love
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes! Scary somehow. Marvelously Frightening.
    Adams Rubble: as opposed to falling in love. hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: !! :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Conscious
    Eliza Madrigal: Mindful
    Eliza Madrigal: Awake
    Adams Rubble: :)


    Eliza Madrigal: A quote in my 1st life profile "We can do no great things, only small things with great love"
    Eliza Madrigal: Mother Tereaa
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Teresa, rather


    Eliza Madrigal: I had thrown my Christianity in a closet for a long time, and Buddha gave it back. Hehhehe
    Eliza Madrigal: Now it is just 'one thing' among many.... no closed doors
    Fael Illyar: Yes, mine was in the closet too... still is to some extent but I've been taking it back out at times.
    Eliza Madrigal: That seems to be the idea behind detachment
    Fael Illyar: that? taking it out of the closet only sometimes?
    Eliza Madrigal: Well... that everything is up for grabs....
    Fael Illyar: sort of :)
    Eliza Madrigal: nothing is overly important or unimportant
    Eliza Madrigal: with regard to what we've learned or labeled ourselves
    Eliza Madrigal: or others have labeled us :)

    2009.05.07 13:00 - Lifting the weight of karma


    Storm Nordwind: The nice thing about some paths is that you can take them or leave them, in part or in whole. That seems to me to be a mature way to do things

    genesis Zhangsun: it is a fish in water scenario
    Fefonz Quan: ??
    Mickorod Renard: I think there can be a partial way through a redirection of ethics
    Fefonz Quan: blub blub blub?
    genesis Zhangsun: yes that is interesting Mick
    genesis Zhangsun: ethics surely is one way
    Storm Nordwind: By bringing the result into the path
    Fefonz Quan: (didn't get the fish stuff)
    genesis Zhangsun: you could call that result as informed by "higher mind"
    genesis Zhangsun: a fish never sees the water around it much like the ordinary mind hardly notices a higher mind in which it operates
    Fefonz Quan: First, the mind can stop creating more of those harmful things
    Storm Nordwind: The fish still feels the effect of the water though
    Fefonz Quan: (he sees the bubbles)
    genesis Zhangsun: exactly but what it does notice, like the fish are the movements
    Storm Nordwind: He feels the current
    Mickorod Renard: well,,we are conditioned from young expectations to follow a way of life that is selfish
    genesis Zhangsun: just as the ordinary mind sees the discrepanies between its thoughts and the higher mind
    genesis Zhangsun: we feel dissapointed,
    genesis Zhangsun: we feel angry
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: those are mind movements
    genesis Zhangsun: they can tell us a lot about why we see such a discrepancy


    2009.05.07 19:00 - Playing with life, with reality


    Sylectra Darwin: I trust midlife crises, you know why?

    Sylectra Darwin: they're honest.

    Neela Blaisdale: My youngest goes to college in 1 1/2 yrs so maybe a change then..

    Neela Blaisdale: Honest in what way?

    Sylectra Darwin: true, that would change things.

    Sylectra Darwin: Well, we are always changing.

    Sylectra Darwin: If we think that we are not in the midst of changes, that is not the truth.

    Sylectra Darwin: The older we get, the greater the potential that a big change is coming.


    2009.05.08 13:00 - Narcissus


    Travieso Sella: Well, my understanding of the heart sutra, outlines in Buddhismthe Middleway, where insight into thenature of things leads neither to their absolute existence nor the non-existence of phenomenon...and also the middleway has to do with application of effort
    Travieso Sella: The world is definitely real, but not on an ultimate level
    Travieso Sella: I suppose I'm putting that right
    Solobill Laville: The Heart Sutra proports "beyond, beyond" any distictions, and conceptions, anything altogether...a key point

     Later on ethics....

    Solobill Laville: Ethical behavior is a natural "outward-flowing" occurence

    genesis Zhangsun: in the sort of ethics described by Tarmel she seems to say that being in her life, seeing it allows her to immediately see what is "right"
    Solobill Laville: Maybe if you describe that system again to level-set?
    genesis Zhangsun: the natural flow you describe
    genesis Zhangsun: of ethics
    genesis Zhangsun: but it seems to be very person specific
    genesis Zhangsun: not something that could be judged by a whole society or necessarily agreed upon by a whole society
    Solobill Laville: I think it is to say that Ethical Conduct flows as a natural occurence of advanced awareness
    genesis Zhangsun: yes so I guess trying to think about how a legal system would support such a view
    Solobill Laville: It couldn't, because it is variable
    Solobill Laville: So we have the 10 Commandements, and Precepts, and Laws
    Solobill Laville: That was my point...badly stated
    genesis Zhangsun: right but there are also processes within the law to allow it to change, in the anglo saxon system is is based on evolution by case law
    genesis Zhangsun: so I guess I am just saying maybe it would interesting to explore a legal system whose goal was to be in fact variable
    genesis Zhangsun: though that sounds paradoxical
    Solobill Laville: It does, but makes sense too!

    2009.05.09 07:00 - no head


    Eliza Madrigal: For years I posted in my house "Not by age but by capacity is wisdom acquired"
    Mickorod Renard: that is so lovely,,capacity
    Eliza Madrigal: I wanted my children to see it every day
    Mickorod Renard: coooool
    Eliza Madrigal: And I wanted to remind myself
    Eliza Madrigal: that this is a particular sort of learning
    Mickorod Renard: wow,,so lovely
    Eliza Madrigal: Not something you 'grasp and keep'
    Mickorod Renard: I even came across a young lady in a Christian bookshop once,,in London,,and was took aback by how she was aware,she was only about 18
    Eliza Madrigal: You had a conversation with her?
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,only a brief minute or two
    Mickorod Renard: but I have not seen that in people old enough to be her grandparent
    Eliza Madrigal: You 'recognized' her, in a way
    Mickorod Renard: sort of
    Eliza Madrigal: Your capacity met hers :)


    2009.05.09 19:00 – Quiet is Good Too


    Geo Netizen: One of the most exciting things is to be able to listen in on a discussion between two deeply spiritual people of different traditions, say Buddhism and Christian and listen to their points of agreement
    Geo Netizen: and to listen to how they disagree
    Eliza Madrigal: What is your observation about those agreements/disagreements?
    Geo Netizen: I have seen them at times struggle to define differences, they keep converging :)
    Eliza Madrigal: It wasn't until I began, in this last year, to dig more deeply into Buddhism and meditation, that all my 'bible verses' started floating up with new dimensionality
    Geo Netizen smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: The light unto ourselves that Buddha is fond of, I think Jesus insisted upon too! :)


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