2017.07.06 13:00 - Private Islands of Weirdness

The Guardian for this casual The Wisdom of Lived Experience - Views from Psychoanalysis, Neuroscience, Philosophy and Metaphysics meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

Eliza Madrigal: Aloha again :)
Riddle Sideways: hi-ho
Eliza Madrigal: Did you know there is a rock, at the zendo pond, that which clicking, lets you dive in?
Riddle Sideways: going to get lunch, brb
Eliza Madrigal: ok :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Cat :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi :)
Riddle Sideways: will try it Eliza
Riddle Sideways: Hi Cat
Eliza Madrigal: Riddle it is a small pointy rock, really fun
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick
Riddle Sideways: Hi Bruce and Mick
Eliza Madrigal: I was telling Riddle about the diving rock at Zen Retreat pond. It is a little secret

Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Eliza, Riddle, Cat!
Bruce Mowbray: ahhh!
Mickorod Renard: hiya all
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Mick!
Eliza Madrigal: I remember getting to show Wol and Agatha one day
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Bruce :) and Mick :)
Riddle Sideways: ummm, if a secret... why are you telling?
Eliza Madrigal smiles... a 'little' secret
Eliza Madrigal: meant to be shared with close friends :)
Mickorod Renard: listens
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray feels honored to be considered a close friend.
Riddle Sideways: yes
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray can see Mick's oni-tail.
Eliza Madrigal: I'll show you one day Mick! You have to come to meditation before session when at zen retreat, or stay later one day

Riddle Sideways: have not done the reading... just here to eat lunch with close friends
Mickorod Renard: ok thanks
Eliza Madrigal: I have a confession
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Mickorod Renard: oooh
Bruce Mowbray listens...
Eliza Madrigal: I have not done the reading either
Mickorod Renard: he he
Riddle Sideways: WHAAAAT!!!!
Eliza Madrigal: I have read the whole book, but not refreshed this week
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: so I'm completely dependent on you guys
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: It's very similar to previous material, actually.
Mickorod Renard: erk
Eliza Madrigal: there was something about mirror neurons?

Mickorod Renard: did we have more to read?
Eliza Madrigal: for Monday but not today
Mickorod Renard: or as it what we read for monday?
Bruce Mowbray: No, mick, not since monday's reading.
Mickorod Renard: ah, phew
Catrinamonblue Resident: thought thursday was continuation of monday?
Mickorod Renard: ty
Bruce Mowbray: same as Monday - yes.
Bruce Mowbray: yw.
Catrinamonblue Resident: oh good :)
Eliza Madrigal: I did read the session though... very clear

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Was there something left dangling from Monday?
Bruce Mowbray: Not for moi.
Mickorod Renard: most things dangle for me
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi y'all :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Bleu.
Mickorod Renard: Hi Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: we could all just go get snacks and have lunch with Riddle ^.^
Riddle Sideways: hi Bleu
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Great idea!
Riddle Sideways: :)

Mickorod Renard: It reminded me again of attachments
Eliza Madrigal listens
Bleu Oleander: did I miss lunch?
Bruce Mowbray: It reminded me of inflexibility - resulting from attachments.
Mickorod Renard: only that we take on board stuff,,let it bother us and then to get over it we have to let it go
Bruce Mowbray nods to Mick, agrees.
Bruce Mowbray: "enoughness" vies with "stuckness"
Eliza Madrigal: nice way of putting that
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Mickorod Renard: yes Bruce..inflexibility and perhaps a level of sensitivity..some may bbrush things off others be trauma effected
Bruce Mowbray: In that regard, I discovered a couple of days ago that "empty" and "formless" are not quite the same thing....
Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
Bruce Mowbray listens for more from Mick... et al.
Eliza Madrigal: intrigued, Bruce...
Bleu Oleander: hi Raffi :)
Bruce Mowbray: For moi, anyway, "empty" tends to strengthen the ego..... "I AM SOOOO EMPTY!!!!"
Catrinamonblue Resident: hi Raffi :)
Mickorod Renard: I know that from things I have said about myself that you may think my life has been bad..but not at all..and maybe I have been too sensitive too
Bruce Mowbray: whereas "formless" goes the other direction.

Raffila Millgrove: Hi all.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Raffi
Mickorod Renard: hi raffi
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Raffi.
Riddle Sideways: Hi Raffi

Eliza Madrigal: I don't hear you as complaining about your life Mick. I hear you relating a complex life with situations you still grapple with
Mickorod Renard: many negative things I have witnessed have also been enrichening to my life and experience
Mickorod Renard: yes Eliza, thats a nice way to look at it too
Bruce Mowbray: Indeed, Eliza... and I'm happy that Mick feels safe enough with us to do that.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray suddenly wonders why he hasn't seen aggers recently....
Eliza Madrigal: I'm really friendly with the word 'empty' but 'formless' conjures blankness. What brought that to mind Bruce?
Eliza Madrigal: Aggers has been working a bunch but should have a lighter load soon :)
Bruce Mowbray: Well, pretty much the same for moi.
Mickorod Renard: as with the dreams, I have felt that by my being open it gives us things to talk about as I am sure I can't be that diferent from many of us
Bruce Mowbray: But I'm using that meditation to escape... I think... which is not appropriate, either.
Eliza Madrigal nods

Raffila Millgrove: wait. you're using meditation to escape from what?
Mickorod Renard: how come Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: Blankness works for me when I'm wanting to lighten my load.
Eliza Madrigal: one question that always come to mind, is "What is the difference between letting go and repressing things?"
Raffila Millgrove: Bruce?
Catrinamonblue Resident: I feel that I relate a lot to you Mick, I have had a very difficult life at times but find that without those tough experiences I would not be who I am and would not be here to explore what that means :)
Mickorod Renard: great question eliza
Bruce Mowbray: Well, just get away from the nagging duties of everyday life.... Stuff that gets me stuff, you know.

Bruce Mowbray: stuck! not stuff*
Mickorod Renard: great Cat, i think you have to hold onto that..life is tough
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray: or maybe stuff that gets me even more stuff!
Eliza Madrigal grins
Bruce Mowbray thinks about George Carlin's skit about stuff.
Eliza Madrigal appreciates hearing the complexity of others' lives from time to time
Raffila Millgrove: ty. no one ever again quite like George Carlin. unique perspective... we were lucky to have him.

Bruce Mowbray listening to Mick and Cat, remembers Rumi's saying, "Pray for a rough teacher."
Bruce Mowbray: or was it "hard teacher..."?
Mickorod Renard: It was funny when I worked in school and had long holidays..during those hols I had time to dwell on things and it wasnt always healthy
Mickorod Renard: tough teacher I think
Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes! Holidays and weekends are the worst!
Bruce Mowbray: Tooo much time to ruminate upon the negative.

Catrinamonblue Resident: slipping back to Eliza's question for a moment - repression - the not looking at things. letting go - the looking and releasing of things?
Bruce Mowbray listens to Cat.
Catrinamonblue Resident: oh I'm done :) sorry to chase the rabbit a moment :)
Eliza Madrigal: that's a nice clarification... consciousness brought to bear
Mickorod Renard: he he
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray loves chasing rabbits ... aka, sallying.
Eliza Madrigal: and then though, I realize that sometimes I 'think' I've let go consciously, but have only let go of what I was aware of
Catrinamonblue Resident: well that's all that can be done really :)
Mickorod Renard: I like the idea that you can find a way of looking at something and dealing with it rather than running away or hiding
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Raffila Millgrove: you know what i liked about the book on getting rid of your stuff.. it's where you thank the stuff. you sit and and appreciate it once more and say good bye. that's a cool way to "let go".
Bruce Mowbray ponders "Loosening one's tiedown ropes."
Raffila Millgrove: of any kind of stuff.
Eliza Madrigal: the Maria Kondo book, Raffi?
Catrinamonblue Resident: oh I like that Raffi!!
Raffila Millgrove: mental, emotional. i found it very helpful. doing that.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Raffi! ANy little bit of stuff can be a Dharma Gate...
Raffila Millgrove: and it's really good to let go actual stuff.. since that tends to sag you down.
Bruce Mowbray: as Ram Dass put it, "Thank you for allowing me to go through all this crap!"
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Eliza Madrigal has let go of too much stuff.. miss my yard and nice countertops, haha
Bruce Mowbray: that was a direct quote, btw.
Mickorod Renard: yes, nice way to do it Raffi, although sometimes I think a troubled person is in no frame of mind to be ..phillosophical..they are filled with anger of hate

--BELL--


Bruce Mowbray: That was Maxine's point, mick.
Raffila Millgrove: too true Mick.
Bruce Mowbray: If you get stuck and inflexible, you can't be free enough to feel your lived experience.
Raffila Millgrove: but then everytime i am reading her.. i am thinking.. is she speaking about people with neurologicall illness. i never quite figure out.. who is she talking about ... actually.
Bruce Mowbray: [whispers - during drop - Yes, I think she ismostly talking about pathology. But it works for everyone, I think.]
Eliza Madrigal concurs
Raffila Millgrove: when you are bipolar. OCD you have these realities that are private ones. like your private islands of weirdness.. that don't match into others perspectives. even tho you pretend to talk the same language. they're not. they are processing info differntly.
Bruce Mowbray says "Mea culpa" for whispering during drop.
Bruce Mowbray loves "Private islands of weirdness."
Raffila Millgrove: but i don't think so Bruce. i don't think that those with some mental issue--they aren't.... working the same. it's not at all the same.
Bleu Oleander: hi Xiri :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hello everyone! :)
Eliza Madrigal: when i read, I hear myself in everyone's perspective
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Xiri :))
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Bleu :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Xiri :)
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Xir!
Bruce Mowbray: No, it's not the same, but there are harmonics.
Eliza Madrigal: "medical student syndrome"

Mickorod Renard: He he , I wonder that too Raffi....I sometimes feel quite diferent to everyone else..and yet I tell my grand daughter that everyone is thinking just like she is
Raffila Millgrove: yes that is because i think Eliza that every person sitting here.. i gott dx and say.. they are relatively same.. only normally neurotic.
Riddle Sideways: hi Xir
Bruce Mowbray prays to be delivered from thinking the way everyone else thinks.
Mickorod Renard: Hi Xir
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Rid :)
Raffila Millgrove: that was realitively SANE.
Raffila Millgrove: hi Xiri
Eliza Madrigal: it just feels as though there is a basis in everyone for all the things that may then manifest as pathology in extremes
Bruce Mowbray identifies with "normally neurotic."
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: sorry to be late and to disturb the conversation...hi Mick and Raffi and all :)
Raffila Millgrove: I just disagree so much about that Eliza. please excuse but I do.
Bruce Mowbray: I think Maxine is describing the "extremes" --- and doing so extremely well.
Eliza Madrigal: no disturbance Xiri :)
Eliza Madrigal: okay by me Raffi
Raffila Millgrove: lol
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray listens to everyone.

Bruce Mowbray: [silence]

Raffila Millgrove: when you try to reason with a person who is manic.. this is no possiblity of any explaining. you can't say.. er you are not quite yourself etc etc.. they don't get it.. they can't see how far out the window they went.
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: I think Maxine makes that very point, Raffi.
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: was the portion about mirror neurons here in this section, also about right-to-right hemisphere comforting/communication?
Eliza Madrigal: (am only operating from a few notes today)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Eliza, right brain to right brain...
Mickorod Renard: I saw a small reference to it but didnt make sense of it

Bruce Mowbray: It's sort of like the therapist has to "go inside the patient's madness" to help them out of it.
Eliza Madrigal: quite a fascinating subject, but I don't understand much, 'cept intuitively
Raffila Millgrove: no that's ok. in that part.. i agreed. it was saying that the sane people are experiencing lesser degrees of the extremes Maxine writes about. that is where I was disagreeing. with what you said Eliza.
Bruce Mowbray remembers that parable about the guy wo fell into a hole....
Eliza Madrigal: so from self-reflection to other-reflection?
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh, agrees with Raffi now.
Mickorod Renard: yes, I got it
Bruce Mowbray: In fact, Raffi, I suspect that's the exact thing that enable the therapist to "go inside" the patient's madness.
Mickorod Renard: so a sane person is able to self reflect and come to some reasoning
Raffila Millgrove: yes.
Eliza Madrigal: doesn't the therapist have to find some basis within their own experience, even if only 'imagining' to relate?
Raffila Millgrove: at least that is how it appears to me. But the ones with neurological abnormality.. they can't .. override.. they can't pause and reflect often.
Bruce Mowbray: For sure Raffi. That's one of the great challenges of real addiction. . .
Bruce Mowbray: Extreme attachment, as Mick might put it.

Mickorod Renard: well, it was like me..I would have loved to have murdered a few people and set fire to peoples house etc..but i reflected on the effect it would have on me loosing my freedom so i let things pass
Bruce Mowbray: With real addiction the neurology is damaged...
Raffila Millgrove: right.
Bruce Mowbray identifies with Mick's murderous rage... and self-reflection.

Raffila Millgrove: what is bleu thinking?
Raffila Millgrove: you don't say anything today???
Eliza Madrigal imagines bleu playing with puppy under her desk....
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Raffila Millgrove: lol
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I was thinking about her puppy.
Xirana Oximoxi: :))
Raffila Millgrove: she always says something sensible about now. i guess this puppy is pretty cute.

--BELL--


Bruce Mowbray remembers that puppies are also Dharma Gates.
Mickorod Renard: i had a christian friend once, and as I am a bit of a letch she said that even looking at other women is adultery..so i still wonder whether imagining to torture people that have annoyed you is actually still bad
Riddle Sideways: Bleu's mouth might be full and should not talk now
Eliza Madrigal: oh that's right, ha ha
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it is still "bad," but only for you - not for your potential torturees.
Raffila Millgrove: omg save us from this fanatic thinking. it's so wildly bizarre.
Mickorod Renard: :)
Raffila Millgrove: torture your enemies mentally all you want MIck. I authorize. as a Christian.
Raffila Millgrove: then you must forgive them of course.. later. after they suffer awhile.
Mickorod Renard: he he thanks
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Stephen King has a great essay about that... the function of horror in writing etc

Bruce Mowbray feels that forgiving is Christianity's greatest contribution to civilization. . . right up there with Chartres and Bach....
Mickorod Renard: this raises an interesting question...some folk are able to imgine things better than others..or even dream and others not..I wonder if its linked
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmm... fascinating question, Mick.
Eliza Madrigal: linked to finding spaciousness not to enact?
Mickorod Renard: yes
Eliza Madrigal: like we tell an aggressive child to learn to use their words...
Bruce Mowbray: I was deathly afraid of the dark until I was passed puberty... VERY vivid imagination!
Catrinamonblue Resident: relates to Bruce :) me too
Eliza Madrigal raises hand too
Bruce Mowbray: My bathtubs were all stacked with alligators!
Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Mickorod Renard: yes, I feared the dark too Bruce, I am with you there
Catrinamonblue Resident: I have to be careful of what tv shows or movies I watch... I identify too deeply with the characters...
Bruce Mowbray: Fortunately, though, no one made fun of me or bullied me because of it.
Eliza Madrigal: I've recently changed, but was like that for a long time
Bruce Mowbray: It was impossible for me to go on campouts or slumber parties, though.
Eliza Madrigal: re the movies etc
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, that sounds severe actually Bruce

Raffila Millgrove: irrational fears that people have little or big ones..are the ones you have to listen close and never never contradict ion any way. just try to figure the work arounds.
Raffila Millgrove: i mean little or big people.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Raffi, I totally agree.
Mickorod Renard: it was funny the other night...i was asleep in another bedroom due to wifes snoring and I had a night mare, like a kid i ran in to where my wife was asleep only to realize she was the demon in the nightmare
Eliza Madrigal: @@
Catrinamonblue Resident: wow
Raffila Millgrove: a lot of people are at great pains to disabuse children or adults of their fears by logic. this never works and is unwise. that is my experience.
Catrinamonblue Resident: agree raffi :)
Bruce Mowbray: omg, Mick!
Eliza Madrigal: I dreamed recently that I was terribly bored in this apartment complex (true) so I decided to shoot a horror film in it... but then, while acting in the film it became too real and I begged to wake up
Raffila Millgrove: i think it's better to accept it as real.. and then say.. mm.. what should we do about this. sometimes if someone is afraid to drive on freeway you just help them figure out the surface street route. as a person. not speaking as a therapist. no our jobs to be their therapist.
Mickorod Renard: he he Eliza

Bruce Mowbray: I had dreams of associates whom I "knew" but couldn't identify. . . . Thirty years later I found my college yearbook and was able to identify who they were....
Eliza Madrigal: fascinating... so they were there, in the wallpaper as it were
Eliza Madrigal: >shivers<
Raffila Millgrove: did that stop the dreams Bruce? interesting dream Elixa.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Raffi... same thing with fear of flying.
Bleu Oleander: slips away quietly ... take care all :)
Eliza Madrigal: bye Bleu :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, actually, it DID stop the dreams!
Mickorod Renard: hey thats cool Bruce
Xirana Oximoxi: bye Blue :)
Mickorod Renard: Bye Bleu
Raffila Millgrove: yay!

Eliza Madrigal is tempted to title session "No sensible words from Bleu" hehe
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Bruce Mowbray: or... "Bleu plays with puppy under the table..."
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: .. to escape the island of weirdness
Bruce Mowbray: HA!
Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....

Mickorod Renard: so how does one bring a person who is too emotionally attached to trauma around
Raffila Millgrove: I got a letter from a gal who dropped out of my life 20 years ago. my whole family was rather disturbed by readiing it. i was so happy to hear news of her, that at first I missed what the content actually of her letter was. one of my kids spotted right away and was very sad.
Mickorod Renard: ?
Raffila Millgrove: she lives far away and she quit sending xmas cards and so forth and her phone number/adress changed. she slipped away like that.
Mickorod Renard: owww
Eliza Madrigal: nice that she reached out though... sometimes that's enough
Bruce Mowbray understands Raffi. Simply having someone recognize your existence (not necessary praise or exalt, etc.) but simply recognize, can be an uplifting experience.
Mickorod Renard: did you manage to respond?
Raffila Millgrove: once I realized that.. she is troubled and very sad.. and that's why she reached out to me.. then I was like "oh shit!" really. i was and i don't apologize for saying that or feeling it.
Bruce Mowbray: Sometimes one needs to reach out....
Mickorod Renard: yes
Raffila Millgrove: so far i don't respond because i am not sure.. what to say exactly. she let her life go down the drain.. and she's old now.. and what can i say.. better late than never? honestly i am going to end up with a polite/sweet version of that.
Eliza Madrigal: you have a good ability to find the words Raffi, to be honest and encouraging both
Mickorod Renard: was it a long time ago she contacted you?
Eliza Madrigal: maybe that's what she needs, and knew what she needed when she reached to you particularly
Mickorod Renard: I think that too eliza
Raffila Millgrove: no i just got the letter and I was so happy to hear from her that I didn't really.. read as I should have.. then i showed to the family as she was close to all of us.. showed on July 4. as they were here and they were sad.
Bruce Mowbray: I think she was brave to be able to reach out after all those years.

--BELL--


Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
Raffila Millgrove: yes. I will of course respond. i was just sad that i realize.. oh dear. cause i was thinking oh maybe she comes to visit me!
Mickorod Renard: nods too
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Raffila Millgrove: but i see that no.. .she wants .. someone to recognize aknowledge for her.. her children etc. i get that.
Bruce Mowbray appreciates the benefits of isolation as a hermit. . . (very few come to visit me!)
Raffila Millgrove: and it's not a role i want to play. i want to be happy and cheerful and laugh.
Mickorod Renard: I once had a go at accepting everything that came my way..it worked out really well..i thought things that would be bad were actually good.......makes me think that what comes is maybe what is designed to come
Eliza Madrigal: Can reach out without leaving too much room to keep going (thinking of our discussion of boundaries). Sometimes one simply isn't honestly in a place to extend @Raffi
Raffila Millgrove: well you might as well, you can't stuff a letter back in envelope and prestend it never came.
Eliza Madrigal: I go through phases when I'm sure that is the case, Mick. I think it is my underlying belief
Bruce Mowbray: Mick, that's partly what I meant by "formless" earlier.... just letting whatever comes come, without making a "mental form" for it . . .
Raffila Millgrove: when someone does reach out. you really do.. well I really do.. need to.. accept that. and let them talk etc etc. it's just who i am in this life. it's not going to change because i am tired of it.
Mickorod Renard: cool Bruce, that makes sense..I wish I could stay in that mode
Catrinamonblue Resident: agrees with Mick :)
Bruce Mowbray: me too, Mick.
Eliza Madrigal: I'm a little stressed lately, losing sight of that basic optimism a bit, which is why I started meditations in SL again
Eliza Madrigal: get back to basic openness
Bruce Mowbray notes that Bleu has departed to play with puppy (?) probably.

Catrinamonblue Resident: go with the flow of the universe slipping this way and that through the cosmos :) lift up thy wings child and fly!!!! dip and soar and fall and get back up :)
Eliza Madrigal: bouncing into graceland? :)
Bruce Mowbray: Turn the horses loose to run in their own fields.
Mickorod Renard: yes, I have to admit, my life is getting crazier..i thought about escape, but I am finding openness to all things is working too
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Mickorod Renard: nice idea Bruce
Catrinamonblue Resident: busy busy here too... kids here and work and stress but trying to find moments of balance :)
Eliza Madrigal: and play

Raffila Millgrove: excuse please. babysitting today and we have a .. need some fresh underpants issue. laters. all.
Catrinamonblue Resident: oh yes!! :)
Mickorod Renard: Its been soo long sinse I rode horses
Eliza Madrigal: bye Raffi :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye Raffi :)
Mickorod Renard: bye raffi
Bruce Mowbray remembers Thoreau, "Simplify. Simplify. Simplify."
Mickorod Renard: since
Raffila Millgrove: so .. get some fresh underpants everyone and all the problems of the time will be solved. it's that easy when you are 3!
Xirana Oximoxi: bye Raffi :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: thank you for all your thoughts today
Riddle Sideways: by Raffi
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Mickorod Renard: thankyou cat
Eliza Madrigal: feels mirror neurons scanning around, haha
Catrinamonblue Resident: hears my mothers voice telling me to be sure to put clean underwear on before going out as you never know.... ;)
Mickorod Renard: I went in a saddlery the other day, to get a motorbike seat re covered, i love running my hands over saddles
Bruce Mowbray murmers: "You never know..."
Eliza Madrigal: hah, is that true? I've always thought that was a myth, as it was never said to me ^.^
Mickorod Renard: nice curves
Catrinamonblue Resident: :) both mom and nana used to say it :)
Bruce Mowbray: ahhh! sensuous saddles!
Catrinamonblue Resident: nice Mick :)
Eliza Madrigal: Mick, you've had a lot of great experiences
Eliza Madrigal: so funny Cat
Mickorod Renard: he he cat, did you usually go comando?
Catrinamonblue Resident: lol I wanted to sometimes but training was to strong :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Bruce Mowbray: well, it was a saying based on fear (on their part, I mean), wasn't it, Cat? I mean they were afraid of what others might think?
Mickorod Renard: when I was a kid my pants looked after themselves
Catrinamonblue Resident: I'm not sure really, it felt more like it was just one of those saying passed down without much real thought :)
Eliza Madrigal nods
Bruce Mowbray: ahhhh, I understand...
Eliza Madrigal: life is so embarrassing :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Mickorod Renard: in the uk..going commando is to go without pants
Catrinamonblue Resident: hahaha :)
Bruce Mowbray: Well, time for moi to be a-scraping up supper. THANKS to you all!

Eliza Madrigal: Oh! Don't forget we have a guardian session tomorrow... a new time
Catrinamonblue Resident: oh what time Eliza?
Mickorod Renard: eeek, i am away in another city tomorrow
Eliza Madrigal: bye Bruce! bon appetit
Mickorod Renard: bye Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: let me see... I think it is ...
Riddle Sideways: guardian session? Friday?
Xirana Oximoxi: I am also going... bye all! :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes.... was a decision at last one I think... to try...
Mickorod Renard: bye xir
Eliza Madrigal: Oh okay Xiri, bye for now
Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye Xiri :)
Eliza Madrigal: 1pm SLT
Riddle Sideways: by Xir
Xirana Oximoxi: Bye:)
Eliza Madrigal: so the time of a normal friday session
Eliza Madrigal: when we used to have them :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: ok I think I can make it, may have to leave a bit early. Picking up a friend later in the evening :)
Eliza Madrigal: sounds nice Cat
Mickorod Renard: I cannot see me making it ,,,sorry
Riddle Sideways: darn... caught having not read the session
Eliza Madrigal: no worries, next month
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: there isn't much to 'report' I think
Eliza Madrigal: but we'll see
Eliza Madrigal: maybe stevie update re finances
Riddle Sideways: might make it, lunch date got canceled
Eliza Madrigal: can eat lunch with us again
Riddle Sideways: might could
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: well, thats the church bell donging,,i had best go
Eliza Madrigal: lovely, Mick
Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye Mick :)
Eliza Madrigal: bye for now
Mickorod Renard: bye folks, take care
Catrinamonblue Resident: I should be off to :)
Riddle Sideways: by All
Eliza Madrigal: bye Cat :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Riddle :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye :)