2017.07.24 13:00 - WoLE: Eppur Si Muove

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

     

    Riddle Sideways: Hi (again) Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Riddle again :)) Hiya
    Riddle Sideways: Just a good place to eat lunch
    Eliza Madrigal: although I don't SEE you yet
    Eliza Madrigal: pleasant ambiance here?
    Riddle Sideways: yep.
    Eliza Madrigal: Are you seated at the fountain? Sorry to ask while you are eating ^^
    Riddle Sideways: no pressure that don't have a report and not done the reading
    Riddle Sideways: yes


    --BELL--


    Riddle Sideways: Oh! that invisiable thang
    Eliza Madrigal: ha ha, that's right. My hope was no pressure anyway, but well, y'know 
    Riddle Sideways: restart
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I'm gong to relog. maybe that's what the updates will fix so I'll do that later
    Eliza Madrigal: There you are!
    Eliza Madrigal: I think I should relog too, brb
    Riddle Sideways: oooooo nice fins
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks :) bon appetit


    Riddle Sideways: Can we see us, Now?
    Eliza Madrigal looks, thinks so
    Eliza Madrigal: at least when unrezzed, one can usually see nametags, but with invisibility I might miss someone completely
    Riddle Sideways: goldfish/Koy colored mermaid
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tura, looking cute
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Tura
    Tura Brezoianu: hi Eliza, Riddle
    Eliza Madrigal: best part of this is the AO
    Eliza Madrigal: :D
    Riddle Sideways: Eliza, shows off back flips
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Aph
    Eliza Madrigal: well it does have all those, but not on command, hah
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aph :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello beautiful beings
    Eliza Madrigal: nice outfit too :)
    Eliza Madrigal: How is everyone?
    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks so is yours! a japanese mermaid!
    Eliza Madrigal: :) all this time I could have been refreshing my tail...


    Riddle Sideways: umm, hi Mick, now get off Tura
    Tura Brezoianu: er...I love you too Mick :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick :)
    Mickorod Renard: oops, hi
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Just come down from the roof...read MOST of the text but it was hard not to get sleepy in the sunlight
    Eliza Madrigal: I would fry if I tried that :)
    Eliza Madrigal: although we're having thunderstorms here today
    Riddle Sideways: that is a different type of Fry
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's not too hot- about 75
    Eliza Madrigal: sounds nice, perfect nap weather
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: but It's only 1 pm
    Aphrodite Macbain: ish


    Eliza Madrigal: I heard from Pila a few days ago... was happy to hear he is reading sessions
    Mickorod Renard: wow coooool
    Aphrodite Macbain: aww
    Aphrodite Macbain: why cant he join us? wrong time?
    Eliza Madrigal: I should have asked if I could share his email, because it was really insightful about, entropic de-animation
    Mickorod Renard: really miss him
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes me too
    Eliza Madrigal: he may be able to join us more soon, but I'm not sure
    Eliza Madrigal: basically he drew attention to the larger world patterns
    Aphrodite Macbain: Aggers! YaY
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
    Riddle Sideways: Aggers
    Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
    Riddle Sideways: skating in
    Mickorod Renard: hi aggs
    Aphrodite Macbain: which patterns Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: the way there is a pull to close down, or to 'go back'


    --BELL--

     

    Eliza Madrigal: I'm going to ask to share it on Thursday, can't quite do Pila :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Bruce
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :)
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Bruce
    Mickorod Renard: yes, i think that is inevitable..I wonder whether for regular folk hundreds of years ago it was diferent..and whether it may return as we become less driven by profit?
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, everyone.
    Mickorod Renard: Hi bruce
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: hi y'all :)
    Eliza Madrigal: sending you both IMs to catch up, although we're just starting, Hi Bleu
    Riddle Sideways: notecard slinger
    Bleu Oleander: prompt today 1:01 :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Bleuji :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Do you think we're moving toward less drive to profit?
    Agatha Macbeth: Who PaB?
    Eliza Madrigal laughs
    Agatha Macbeth: Didn't know we made any
    Eliza Madrigal: only marketable good is Bleu's tshirts I think :)
    Mickorod Renard: I am wondering whether the future can sustain class diferences at the extreme there is now
    Eliza Madrigal: I wonder too, Mick
    Bleu Oleander: lol
    Agatha Macbeth pokes Brucie
    Bruce Mowbray: afk for a sec. brb
    Eliza Madrigal: Does someone have a report today?
    Mickorod Renard: replace greed with compassion,,and all is fixed
    Mickorod Renard: I have one
    Eliza Madrigal: compassion chips :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Mick
    Mickorod Renard: great idea
    Mickorod Renard: oh, shall I start?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes please
    Agatha Macbeth: Hit it Micko
    Aphrodite Macbain: listens
     

    Beginning Reports 


    Mickorod Renard: A great section I found. Not only did it help me come to terms with my own development of my own thinking but I felt this following excert from Maxines book described my efforts well:
    Mickorod Renard: 'Change in terms of emotional integration and insight, often require repeated consolidating experience, while also appreciating the ever hovering allure and occasional return to past polarized and entrenched states of mind'
    Mickorod Renard: Much of that allure to return to polarised or entrenched states of mind come from the idea that success and profiteering, in hand with an enlarged ego come from being hard faced ruthless narcissistic attitudes.
    Mickorod Renard: My efforts to become a more balanced and compassionate fellow have in my opinion been greeted with a feeling that I am becoming weak and not representing those people who are successful in the world. To anyone struggling with a similar dilemna I would suggest you find role models to aspire to, something I have not..yet.
    Mickorod Renard: done

    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks Mick good suggestion
    Eliza Madrigal: thank you Mick
    Mickorod Renard: mp
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: sorry, phone rang just as you finished...
    Eliza Madrigal: I'd like to ask you after reports, whether you were making conscious choices or just naturally changing

    Eliza Madrigal: Who would like to go next?
    Tura Brezoianu: Not really a report, but I have a confession to make.
    Bruce Mowbray listens.
    Eliza Madrigal: oh interesting :)
    Eliza Madrigal listens


    Tura Brezoianu: I chickened out of last week's sessions, on account of finding myself so out of sympathy with this part. I also found it very heavy going.
    Aphrodite Macbain: loves true confessions
    Mickorod Renard: listens
    Tura Brezoianu: It does seem to rather insistently give the message that thinking is bad, feeling is good.
    Tura Brezoianu: Boo left hemisphere, boom right.
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Tura Brezoianu: Despite the disclaimers here and there.
    Bruce Mowbray nods and somewhat agrees with Tura -- had a somewhat similar response to this section.
    Tura Brezoianu: I very much take the part of the Morlocks, the Enlightment, getting in touch with the stuff that doesn't go away when you don't believe in it.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Odd, I found the opposite!
    Tura Brezoianu: Reality, which isn't just what we all agree on, whatever Anil Seth says.
    Tura Brezoianu: The Earth was round before there were any people to have ideas about it.
    Bruce Mowbray ponders: Did humans invent or discover "order"?
    Tura Brezoianu: reason can understand emotion. I don't think emotion does understanding.

    Aphrodite Macbain: does a tree fall in the forest of noone hears it?
    Tura Brezoianu: Eppur si muove :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Yet it moves!
    Eliza Madrigal: hard to argue with that assessment of right hemisphere bias in the book, due to the perceived left hemisphere advantage... although I have liked the emphasis mostly
    Tura Brezoianu: Exactly
    Bruce Mowbray: (Galileo)
    Bleu Oleander: trees falling produce sound waves whether or not "we're" here to hear them
    Aphrodite Macbain: my point
    Bruce Mowbray: Galileo . . . sry
    Tura Brezoianu: But I look forward to everyone else's views also.
    Tura Brezoianu: done
    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks Tura
    Bleu Oleander: nice Tura!
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks for your confession, Tura!
    Mickorod Renard: I was reading it in the sense that we could predominate Left thinking as that may, we presume give quicker gain
    Eliza Madrigal: Who's next? :)
    Mickorod Renard: rather than allowing a right intergration for balance which see's no profit
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have a couple of comments...
    Eliza Madrigal: great


    Aphrodite Macbain: I was interested in the definition of "self"
    Aphrodite Macbain: as being dependent on the left brain

    --BELL--

    Aphrodite Macbain: the fact that we are thinking creatures, she says, separates us from the animals...
    Aphrodite Macbain: with a left brain, she says, we can "dominate" the environment
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have a hard time with that
    Bruce Mowbray: me too, Aph.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Our fellow creatures dominate their own environments
    Aphrodite Macbain: also
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: even crows have a sphere they dominate
    Bleu Oleander: animals think too ... don't have our language perhaps, but have their own intelligence
    Aphrodite Macbain: But, I dont think they have a cerebral cortex, do they?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I agree Bleu
    Aphrodite Macbain: but they DO have their own language
    Bleu Oleander: cortex'es come in different sizes
    Mickorod Renard: good point Bleu re language as that was highlighted as a left attribute too
    Agatha Macbeth: Do animals have left/right hemishperes?
    Bleu Oleander: yes, lots of beings can communicate
    Bleu Oleander: yes they do
    Bruce Mowbray experiences a flash of cortex-size envy.
    Eliza Madrigal: that's why I also wondered about the matter of conscious choices, to be less driven/left-brained-as-defined-here
    Agatha Macbeth: Wonder what they use the left for then

    Aphrodite Macbain: the other comment I have
    Aphrodite Macbain: waits
    Bleu Oleander: we can't decide to use our left brain or our right brain ... we use all of our brain
    Aphrodite Macbain: is that the ability of the left brain to "confabulate" what it doesnt know.
    Aphrodite Macbain: which explains, to a certain extent, hallucinations.
    Mickorod Renard: it is funny that in the world of education it is projected all the time about the advantage of being well read and well educated
    Bruce Mowbray: (make up stories aboput....)
    Bleu Oleander: well both sides can make up a pretty good story!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Done

    Aphrodite Macbain: hard to speak...
    Bleu Oleander: oops sorry to interrupt Aph
    Bruce Mowbray: Excellent questions, Aph.
    Eliza Madrigal: nice questions Aph, the rooftop rest must have done your thinking spaciousness well :)
    Mickorod Renard: sorry me too for interupting Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: well, the 2nd was an observation
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Bruce Mowbray: If one takes the tree falling in the forest as a sort of metaphor.....
    Aphrodite Macbain: I notice I have an easier time picking up bits and pieces
    Aphrodite Macbain: rather than seeing the big picture
    Aphrodite Macbain: (an overactive left brain?)
    Bruce Mowbray: Is there not still "order" in nature - whether humans are there to describe it?
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Bruce Mowbray: or not.
    Eliza Madrigal: little pieces held in open context by overarching big picture
    Aphrodite Macbain: we just discover it
    Eliza Madrigal: Bruce do you have a report today?
    Bruce Mowbray: I don't have a report, but, like Aph, I have some thoughts.
    Eliza Madrigal listens

    Bruce Mowbray: The description of the right brain reminds me of something an 8th grade student of mine said when we were studying poetry.
    Bruce Mowbray: She said, "If you want to write a poem or understand one, you have to slightly change yourself."
    Aphrodite Macbain: smiles
    Bruce Mowbray: She said that over 50 years ago,
    Agatha Macbeth: Fancy you remembering :p
    Bruce Mowbray: and I remember its truth every time I "understand a poem --
    Aphrodite Macbain: Blake said that too..
    Bruce Mowbray: Anyway, another thing:
    Bruce Mowbray: https://static.gamespot.com/uploads/...9322-tumbl.gif
    Bruce Mowbray: Keep your eye on the pedestrians....
    Aphrodite Macbain: yikes!
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh this isn't carmageddon
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Bruce Mowbray: It seems to be that a little left-brain activity might be called for here.
    Bruce Mowbray: [done]


    Mickorod Renard: most artists..or writers that i know are neither rich or successful in terms of commerce....but they are all intelligent likable people. I think sometimes that there is a trade off..at an cost of something else..and that may be in the way you think
    Eliza Madrigal: that's quite a sight :)
    Mickorod Renard: nice Bruce
    Aphrodite Macbain: and a lot of courage!
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, I see the cars as a sort of "dominance"
    Aphrodite Macbain: but they seem to be chaotic
    Bruce Mowbray: and I see left-brain and right-brain like Russian dolls inside of dolls inside of dolls.
    Bruce Mowbray: [ok, I'm really done now]
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: ty!
    Bruce Mowbray: yw

    Eliza Madrigal: Bleu?
    Bleu Oleander: I don't really have a report today
    Mickorod Renard: wow Bruce, great vid
    Bleu Oleander: I'll just listen and comment :)
    Eliza Madrigal: K
    Mickorod Renard: I recon you need a left brain to get over that road as a pedestrian
    Aphrodite Macbain: what do people think of the idea that the left brain defines us- creates a self?
    Bleu Oleander: that's no how I understand it ... how do you define the self Aph?
    Bruce Mowbray: If the left-brain is the story-maker, then I would agree that it makes a "self."
    Aphrodite Macbain: By a multiplicity of things


    --BELL--


    Aphrodite Macbain: emotions, awarenesses, chemicals, memory
    Bruce Mowbray ponders "chemicals". . . .
    Tura Brezoianu: what part of the brain is making the judgement about whether you can get through a gap in the traffic?
    Aphrodite Macbain: we are constantly changing
    Aphrodite Macbain: good question Tura
    Eliza Madrigal: the way described here, 'left brain' can be a controlling image maker, kind of paranoid that if it doesn't create its reality it will be swept away
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, excellent question, Tura.
    Agatha Macbeth: I don't care as long as it's right!
    Tura Brezoianu: I see the traffic and just sort of get an idea of whether to go or not
    Aphrodite Macbain: Some may risk it, others may find another way around
    Mickorod Renard: i recon its the left brain that say to hell with it, I am going now whether or not
    Bruce Mowbray: Is it the left brain that tells us NOT to type during bell drops?
    Eliza Madrigal: depends on where I am, getting across the road is contextual
    Aphrodite Macbain: grins
    Aphrodite Macbain: to get to the chicken
    Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
    Aphrodite Macbain: on the other side
    Eliza Madrigal: in some places, where there is music playing that gives you a window to cross in, and where people are generally well mannered, you could almost close your eyes and cross
    Aphrodite Macbain: true
    Aphrodite Macbain: What did you think of the text Eliza?
    Riddle Sideways: watching the vid, many people stood waiting then one plowed right head
    Riddle Sideways: and the rest followed
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bruce Mowbray nods to Riddle.... (That intersection is in Ethiopia).
    Mickorod Renard: sometimes I wait for someone else to make the first move
    Agatha Macbeth: Along with the Ark

    Eliza Madrigal: @ Aph I kept thinking of a child I tutored... it wasn't totally relevant to this, but...
    Aphrodite Macbain: listens
    Mickorod Renard: other times I get too impatient and launch myself
    Eliza Madrigal: when Maxine describes 'erasure', I just kept remembering how quickly everything we did together would disappear
    Aphrodite Macbain: :(
    Eliza Madrigal: heartbreaking, this kind little boy
    Eliza Madrigal: and I have an odd memory and way of remembering things sometimes... can go 'blank'
    Eliza Madrigal: or be on a different sort of track... but I plow through
    Eliza Madrigal: have other mechanisms
    Eliza Madrigal: so that's what I thought about :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: how does it tie in with the left brain?
    Eliza Madrigal: well like I said, it wasn't directly relevant so I wasn't sure I'd share... but was what I kept thinking about... that blank
    Bruce Mowbray ponders "Music hath charms to sooth the savage beast..." Then I think of "industrial noise" music, and have my doubts.
    Eliza Madrigal: To the observing clinician, it can be a breathtaking experience to witness the instantaneous erasure of the emotional integration, insight, and mutuality which accompany integrative work. But such erasure makes more sense as we recall that integration, as in all living processes, means "swimming up-stream" against the ever-present entropic pressures which wuold otherwise sweep one towards de-differetiation, and decay. [loc 1270]
    Eliza Madrigal: there are also kids who remember everything, but don't connect things
    Eliza Madrigal: and I think that's more directly meaningful to the questions today
    Eliza Madrigal: can't quite put their knowledge in context
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Eliza Madrigal: situationally
    Aphrodite Macbain: constantly trying to 'make sense"
    Aphrodite Macbain: but with difficulty
    Eliza Madrigal: making sense takes a lot of work for some
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes


    Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder what other factors come into play
    Aphrodite Macbain: other than the cerebral cortex
    Aphrodite Macbain: I would think certain emotions would influence this making sense process
    Eliza Madrigal: I was actually wondering, when I was hung up on these thoughts, about whether the reason maxine comes across as a right brain advocate at times, is what she's seen in practice
    Aphrodite Macbain: fear, anger,
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Eliza Madrigal: what she's most often faced with people, and what was missing with the integrative process
    Eliza Madrigal: or seemed missing perhaps
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it's her dream background
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, that too
    Bleu Oleander: I don't understand what it means to be a "right brain advocate" ... I'm a whole brain advocate myself :)
    Tura Brezoianu: Maybe psychiatrists get a biased idea of what people in general are like.
    Tura Brezoianu: Everyone they see is crazy!
    Eliza Madrigal: I think she is too in actuality, but when writing... what one might emphasize as perhaps needed in their time

    Bruce Mowbray: When teaching 8th graders years ago, we did something called "disparate" paragraphs. . . The kids would name, say, five distinctly different things - and the challenge was to include all five of them in one or two coherent paragraphs - that were interesting and made sense.
    Bruce Mowbray: Inside of that, we learned "topic sentences" and other paragraph stuff......
    Aphrodite Macbain: @Bleu- maybe Maxine feels that too many people rely too much on our left brain. "Stop Making Sense"!
    Agatha Macbeth: Good album
    Aphrodite Macbain: nice idea Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: but the goal was to have all five words/topics included and that the paragraphs be coherent: this sounds like the lef brain on overdrive to me.
    Mickorod Renard: i wonder,,whether those with right hand issues are largely due to some issue,,ie autism or what..but the left hand issues may be something we ourselves allow ourselves to get ourt of balance with
    Eliza Madrigal nods, agrees Bruce
    Aphrodite Macbain: to make concepts interrelate
    Agatha Macbeth: Burning down the house
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Bleu Oleander: @Aph ... really can't rely on your left brain specifically ... its more a whole brain with different states
    Riddle Sideways: same as it always was


    --BELL--


    Bruce Mowbray: Anyway, I feel that "integraton" might also be a left-brain activity - as well as one for the right-brain.
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Eliza Madrigal: that's what I tutored actually, except with a few who couldn't manage it and wouldn't even take the horrible tests that forced such rigid structures as the bar @ Bruce The kids would lose their joy so quickly but they did sometimes get it back when they accomplished the essay
    Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps there is a third aspect- the emotions- that helps with integration
    Eliza Madrigal: a lot of them were left with the feeling they just weren't going to be good enough though
    Aphrodite Macbain: is that an emotion?
    Aphrodite Macbain: self doubt?
    Aphrodite Macbain: insecurity?
    Bruce Mowbray: sounds emotional to me, Aph.
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, impression
    Aphrodite Macbain: I just feel that our emotional state makes a big difference to how we process things but I am not sure if that is triggered by thje left or the right side. I agree with Bleu it isnt either/or.
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's either/or/and
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: the emotion can be the effect of an evaluation
    Aphrodite Macbain: done by the left brain?
    Bleu Oleander: lots of things contribute to how we process things
    Mickorod Renard: I agree Aph, I can switch quite easy from one nature to another..then feel guilt afterwards for being ruthless


    Bleu Oleander: emotions are whole brain states
    Mickorod Renard: or stupid for being soft
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods and smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Hey leave me oit of it ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: seems conditioning to me Mick
    Agatha Macbeth: Oit?
    Bruce Mowbray: also @Aph -- There are other parts of the brain that give a sense of "self." Dan Siegel talks of a patient whose cerebellum was destroyed; she could still do virtually everything, but she said she felt like "my soul has disappeared."
    Aphrodite Macbain: is that Cockney Aggers?
    Agatha Macbeth: Afrikaans maybe?
    Eliza Madrigal: some project a sense of self better than others maybe? clearer sharper?
    Bleu Oleander: projecting a sense of self is receiver dependent I think?
    Bruce Mowbray ponders being aware of one's bodily presence. . . proprioception.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I still like the notion that the left brain confabulates
    Aphrodite Macbain: maybe because I like the word
    Eliza Madrigal: with some writers you don't need to see their name, their 'voice' is so clear
    Mickorod Renard: I had a friend go on a salesman course....he was transformed into a total jerk
    Eliza Madrigal: lol Aph
    Eliza Madrigal: me too
    Bleu Oleander: you seem to be stuck on that Aph :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: sorry
    Eliza Madrigal: confabulous
    Aphrodite Macbain: I only used it twice
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Survival of the confabulous!
    Eliza Madrigal: it feels weird, like "we're confabulating today"
    Eliza Madrigal: :))

    Aphrodite Macbain: I watched an Oliver Sacks TED talk when he talked about that process
    Bruce Mowbray: proprioception?
    Aphrodite Macbain: the brain makes things up when it gets bored
    Bleu Oleander: our brains are not so left right defined ... the terms/concepts are too confining
    Bruce Mowbray: oh confabulation.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- she talks about this in this text
    Bruce Mowbray nods.
    Aphrodite Macbain: blind people "see" things
    Aphrodite Macbain: very complex things
    Aphrodite Macbain: coughed up from their memory
    Bleu Oleander: we make up our best guess all the time ... and confirm it with our senses in the world
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: if we can
    Bleu Oleander: yep
    Bleu Oleander: we are computational beings that encode and process the info our senses give us
    Eliza Madrigal: for some reason I'm thinking about rituals, at least in the case of some buddhist practices... and the way they might be sort of mind conditioners, priming canvas, sort of readying the mind to see compassionately
    Bleu Oleander: in ways specific to us as humans
    Bruce Mowbray: for sure, Eliza.
    Eliza Madrigal: but they are strange, logical mind might not know why the image would be compassionate until later on, would process it more
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Mickorod Renard: as creatures, were we ever designed to be compassionate?..just wondered
    Bleu Oleander: the way we're brought up is a sort of mind conditioner too ... actually all of our experiences are mind conditioners
    Aphrodite Macbain: We perform the rituals before we fully "understand" them?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: A koan is directed at the rational mind in order to bring the awareness away from "reason."
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- good example Bruce
    Eliza Madrigal: bye Bruce :) ty!
    Bruce Mowbray: Whew. Gott get scraping. THANKS, everyone.
    Bleu Oleander: bye Bruce
    Aphrodite Macbain: Byee Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: gotta*
    Agatha Macbeth: Scrape well Brucie
    Mickorod Renard: bye bruce
    Tura Brezoianu: bye Bruce
    Riddle Sideways: scrap well, Bruce
    Agatha Macbeth: Scrap too
    Eliza Madrigal: we're definitely performing of rituals all the time ... chosen rituals are sort of a spotlight on that
    Riddle Sideways: :)


    Bruce Mowbray: forgot to mention: I caught TWO squirrels inside the house this weekend!
    Mickorod Renard: i have to go too, bye everyone
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now.
    Eliza Madrigal: OMG
    Aphrodite Macbain: awww


    --BELL--


    Aphrodite Macbain: did u name them?
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Bleu Oleander: wow fun
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay Mick, see you soon
    Eliza Madrigal: be well and peaceful :)
    Bruce Mowbray: No, but I relocated them down the road.
    Bleu Oleander: bye Mick
    Eliza Madrigal waves to Aph, thanks
    Aphrodite Macbain: Time for lunch!
    Agatha Macbeth waves to the mass exodus
    Aphrodite Macbain: See you later
    Bleu Oleander: bye Aph
    Eliza Madrigal: Riddle have you finished lunch? hehe
    Mickorod Renard: sick dog and house full of kids
    Eliza Madrigal: aw
    Riddle Sideways: lunch is over, thanks for the time
    Eliza Madrigal: ((doggo))
    Bleu Oleander: awww hope better soon
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks for being here everyone
    Agatha Macbeth: Doggo?
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: What's he up to?
    Mickorod Renard: he is nearly 18..mifght be gone in a bit
    Eliza Madrigal: :(
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Bleu Oleander: sad time
    Eliza Madrigal: same with our old cat... creaking around lately... :(
    Mickorod Renard: ok bye
    Agatha Macbeth: Know the feeling
    Eliza Madrigal: bye :)
    Mickorod Renard: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: bye Tura too :) thanks for your confessions
    Riddle Sideways: by All
    Eliza Madrigal: hope you don't feel to hide from sessions again
    Eliza Madrigal: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Tura Brezoianu: goodnight all
    Agatha Macbeth: The sessions will find you!
    Bleu Oleander: bye Tura
    Agatha Macbeth: They know all ans see all
    Eliza Madrigal: lots of eyes
    Agatha Macbeth: Like Argus
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Here's looking at you kid

    Eliza Madrigal: how's agatha?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Right here babe
    Agatha Macbeth: How's Liz?
    Eliza Madrigal: discombobulated and confabulated
    Eliza Madrigal laughs
    Agatha Macbeth: So nothing new then
    Eliza Madrigal: right
    Eliza Madrigal: same ol same ol
    Agatha Macbeth: That's good to know
    Agatha Macbeth: Plus ca change plus ca meme chose
    Agatha Macbeth: That' rather a mer-ish looking dress

    Eliza Madrigal: so interesting days... along with hearing from Pila, saw corvi yesterday
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh!
    Agatha Macbeth: How are they?
    Eliza Madrigal: just peeping into SL for a moment and I couldn't stay, but it was really nice
    Eliza Madrigal: seem well :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Still good to know they're around

    Bleu Oleander: c u both
    Bleu Oleander: take care
    Eliza Madrigal: bye Bleu! You too <3
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh bye Bleu
    Agatha Macbeth: Thought you'd gone!
    Agatha Macbeth: :p
    Agatha Macbeth: (Me and my camera)
    Eliza Madrigal: I've been putting together my gallery exhibit
    Agatha Macbeth: Woot
    Eliza Madrigal: Bleu makes everything so straight forward and easy
    Eliza Madrigal: so one is just left with finding the words
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, she's awesome

    Eliza Madrigal: oh, re outfit...
    Agatha Macbeth: Decided on last pic yet?
    Eliza Madrigal: definitely merish
    Agatha Macbeth: Aha
    Agatha Macbeth: Thought so
    Agatha Macbeth: Japanese mer
    Eliza Madrigal: there was one that I wasn't going to use
    Eliza Madrigal: but it seemed to demand its place
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh put it in then!
    Eliza Madrigal: my exhibit isn't so much "Eliza" as "PaB" as it turns out
    Agatha Macbeth: Same muchness
    Eliza Madrigal: pretty nostalgic
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    Agatha Macbeth: Works
    Eliza Madrigal: but I'll need to figure out the presentation
    Agatha Macbeth: I'm sure you'll do a ggreat job
    Agatha Macbeth: with one g

    Eliza Madrigal: hehe, feels good to get up and stretch after an hour sitting
    Agatha Macbeth: It does
    Agatha Macbeth: In both worlds
    Agatha Macbeth: Your back loves you for it
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I type standing up on occasions
    Eliza Madrigal: I do this more and more
    Eliza Madrigal: and I do all my journaling standing
    Eliza Madrigal: but I haven't sprung for the desk...
    Eliza Madrigal: some really nice ones
    Agatha Macbeth: Can just about reach the keys 8D
    Eliza Madrigal: hah
    Eliza Madrigal: but much healthier...
    Eliza Madrigal: I think para had an under desk cycling gadget
    Agatha Macbeth: Sitting is the new smoking
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh what a good idea
    Agatha Macbeth: Bike meditations
    Eliza Madrigal: never got to ask if it worked well for her
    Agatha Macbeth: She won the Tour de France while at PaB
    Eliza Madrigal: :P
    Agatha Macbeth: Haven't seen her in ages
    Eliza Madrigal: nor I
    Eliza Madrigal: okay friend, be well ...
    Agatha Macbeth: You too
    Agatha Macbeth: Shake those fins

    --BELL--


    Eliza Madrigal: skating on the water
    Eliza Madrigal waves and poofs
    Agatha Macbeth: Even Jesus never managed that
    Eliza Madrigal: that's right
    Agatha Macbeth: Not much ice on the Sea of Galilee anyway

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