2017.07.03 07:00 - Primal fear, primal blessing

The Guardian for this meeting was Eden Haiku. The comments are by Eden Haiku.

[Took me more than one hour to add different colors so readers could follow the many threads of the conversation, but lost the connection as I was saving, all colors vanished into thin air...Have a copy on my computer, if I have time and patience will do it again later).

 A defunct Alma Mater

Eden Haiku: Hey!
Adams Rubble: Hello Eden :)
Adams Rubble: where should we sit?
Adams Rubble: Hello Riddle :)
Eden Haiku: Finally connected to the new network, phew!
Riddle Sideways: hello, where shall the sitting be done?
Eden Haiku: Good morning Adams and Riddle :)
Adams Rubble: Belated Happy Canada Day

--BELL--

Adams Rubble is hoping Trump does not try to name the 50 states tomorrow
Riddle Sideways: yes, holiday weekend
Riddle Sideways: can guess the ones he would not say :)
Adams Rubble: New York, Texas, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Pittsbugh...
Adams Rubble: poor Justin :(
Eden Haiku: We do not celebrate Canada Day at home. Many Quebecers don't, Canada's political purpose from 1867 is to assimilate French Canadians. It’s complicated :)
Adams Rubble: ouch
Eden Haiku: Sensitive topic even within families :)
Riddle Sideways: relationships are complicated
Adams Rubble: people in US do not know much about Canada
Adams Rubble: except for Niagara Falls
Eden Haiku: hehe
Adams Rubble: when did Canada become a nation apart from Britain?
Eden Haiku: Went to the rock this morning Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: oh great!
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: had rock missed you?
Eden Haiku: Confederation is from 1867 Adams, but our constitution was brought back here in 1982. And without the signature of Quebec...
Eden Haiku: The Queen is still on our money, coins, post stamps...
Eden Haiku: I like her hats though and she is a charming old lady :)
Adams Rubble: we get to see Canadian coins show up in our change all the time :)
Adams Rubble: Why is george washington wearing a hat....Ohhhhhhhh
Eden Haiku: I felt rock's heart leap pout of joy when I first went, on Saturday :)
Eden Haiku: out of joy, nor pout :)
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Riddle Sideways: welcome, Adael
Eden Haiku: hello Adael sweet heart :)[the being on Adams' shoulder had said it was hot and humid in New Jersey]
Eden Haiku: Sorry to hear. You should go to Uppsala as on Adams t-shirt, the weather must be cool up there :)
Eden Haiku: It's one of the oldest colleges in the world isn'it?
Adams Rubble: yes cool there but different sweatshirt :)
Adams Rubble: my sweatshirt is the Upsala College in NJ that went defunct
Adams Rubble: :(
Eden Haiku: Ah, I see... What happened to the NJ one?
Adams Rubble: went bankrupt
Eden Haiku: Sad...
Eden Haiku: Did you study there yourself?
Adams Rubble: yes
Adams Rubble: although it went defunct before I was rezzed--that is a riddle
Eden Haiku: It’s always hard to see things dissapear...
Adams Rubble: yes some feel like orphans
Riddle Sideways: hmmm, never thought of it like that
Eden Haiku: Met a three months old baby from London on my morning walk :)

--BELL--

Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: young traveler
Eden Haiku: Traveling in the arms of his great-aunt.
Riddle Sideways: well, Adael, was replying to Adams' Alumata disappearing and no reunions to go to, but maybe
Adams Rubble: they still have reunions :)
Eden Haiku: They do?
Adams Rubble: yes, some alumni
Adams Rubble: down the shore
Riddle Sideways: on the site of the defunct buildings ... now strip malls
Eden Haiku: True, they can keep the spirit alive, as we do at PaB:)
Adams Rubble spouts a Jersey phrase
Adams Rubble: the academic part of the old campus was taken over by the East Orange High School; the residential and library was torn down for a housing development
Eden Haiku: Sad...
Adams Rubble: It helps when one has gone to other schools that are thriving
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: not all your degrees in one basket
Adams Rubble: hehe
Riddle Sideways: :)
Adams Rubble: hmm, not all your course notebooks in one basket?
Eden Haiku: smiles
Adams Rubble: do people still use course notebooks?
Riddle Sideways: stored on old computers
Eden Haiku: Saw my first deer of the season yesterday. She says hello :)
Riddle Sideways: that don't boot naymore
Adams Rubble: wow, the first
Riddle Sideways: hi dear
Riddle Sideways: welcome to the country
Adams Rubble: :)
Eden Haiku: We have been in the country house for just a few days, so we were happy to see our offering of carrots and apples pleased her.
Adams Rubble: we are overrun by deer
Eden Haiku: They eat your gardens?
Adams Rubble: yes and everyone elses
Adams Rubble: have to be careful not to hit them when bicycling
Riddle Sideways: ouch
Eden Haiku: Grass and trees here, not many gardens. But those who have do complain about the deer...

Adael shows up

[Adael said You may fire when you are ready, Gridley! before I started reacording his precious words]

[07:26] Adael: from the Spanish-American war

[07:26] Adael: in the Phillipines

Adams Rubble: :) Adael
Adams Rubble giggles
Eden Haiku: is wondering if Adael is one of the 72 angels of the kabbala... [Checked later: no. it isn'it]
Adams Rubble: strict gun laws in our state
Riddle Sideways: Adael, what TV show is that quote from?
Eden Haiku: No hunting allowed in this area :)
Riddle Sideways: can picture it, but not name it
Eden Haiku: Come on Adael!
Riddle Sideways: giggles
Eden Haiku: Adael is talking gibberish [Didn't record that phrase...]
Eden Haiku: speaking gibberish
Riddle Sideways: typing gibberish
Adams Rubble: http://www.historynet.com/you-may-fire-when-you-are-ready-gridley-januaryfebruary-98-american-history-feature.htm

[07:28] Adael: Battle of Manilla

[07:28] Eden Haiku: Ah!

[07:28] Adael: American imperialists

07:28] Adael: also useful to start fireworks tomorrow 

Eden Haiku: Ah!
Eden Haiku: Was thinking how Pema wanted to create a kind of neighborhood cafe when he created PaB...
Adams Rubble: yes for scientists to gather and discuss

--BELL--

Adams Rubble: Pema said to Storm--if you build it they will come
Adams Rubble: :)

[07:30] Adael: Love this PaB stuff!

Adams Rubble:the Art Historians came instead :)
Riddle Sideways: the WoK (QWAQ) meeting area was a large common room with personal "offices"/doors around the perimeter.
Adams Rubble missed QWAQ
Eden Haiku: Just got this interesting message: Second Life: You decline 'Step back into the past with Designing Worlds' ( Sund (170,220,1995) ) from Messages from The Primgraph.
Adams Rubble: :)
Eden Haiku: heard about QWAQ, never been there though.

Which lifetime? 

Eden Haiku: What is our oldest memory of this lifetime?
Riddle Sideways: and the astronomical society (sorry, forget the name) meeting area was sofas and coffee table
Riddle Sideways: which lifetime?
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: ooooooo, Adael ...
Eden Haiku: Good question Riddle:)
Adams Rubble: my oldest memory in my lifetime is visiting the Sistine Chapel
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Eden Haiku: Really Adams? I guess you are joking :)
Adams Rubble: nope
Adams Rubble:It was on my rezz day
Eden Haiku: Ah, Adams' lifetime, interesting!
Adams Rubble: November 13, 2007
Adams Rubble: If you want the oldest memory in my RL person’s lifetime it was at 6 months old
Eden Haiku: I remember yurts in a snowy area, not sure if it was on rezz day though
Eden Haiku: Listening to 6 months old RL avatar :)
Adams Rubble: an apartment burned down next to the house
Eden Haiku: Oh!
Adams Rubble: the rl person remembers mother picking up the baby and carrying over to a window and looking out
Eden Haiku: Oh wow!
Adams Rubble: the baby sensed something different in the mother
Eden Haiku: My 1st memory is also about fire...
Riddle Sideways: remembering a stone path, bamboo fence and very small bridge... too hard to walk over
Eden Haiku: Did the baby feel the fear?
Adams Rubble: then they went outside and the baby remembers the red of the fire engines, lights blinking and hoses all over the street
Eden Haiku: Wow!
Adams Rubble: mother said it was at six months
Eden Haiku: Your memory seems more peaceful Riddle? Was it?
Adams Rubble: probbaly the fear, not sure
Adams Rubble: whoops, rl interruprion. will be back
Eden Haiku: Ok
Eden Haiku: You were a toddler Riddle? little legs?
Riddle Sideways: also RL phone
Eden Haiku: Ok
Riddle Sideways: no, was SL
Eden Haiku: Ah!
Eden Haiku: I still have trouble to walk in SL :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Eden Haiku: Just going up the stairs up to the gallery is a big challenge for Eden :)
Riddle Sideways: back. yes... stood at rez spot trying to get on the walking part of the bridge

--BELL--

Riddle Sideways: remember giving up and walking through bushes, stream, etc.
Eden Haiku: My 1st RL memory is staring into the fire in the woodstove, after I dropped my pacifier. Was about 11 months old. I remember the colors of the fire: red and yellow and green and blue. Many colors. I was in the arms of my godfather.
Adams Rubble: back, reading
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: both memories involve fire
Eden Haiku: Weird isn'it?
Adams Rubble: fire is a primal fear
Adams Rubble: and a primal blessing

Sweat lodge’s memories of prehistoric times

Eden Haiku: Looking at the fire burning in the middle in the stones circle behind us
Riddle Sideways: and fascination to young ones
Eden Haiku: Primal fear, primal belssing, how true
Eden Haiku: Did a sweat lodge a few summers ago.
Riddle Sideways:not done sweat lodge for sooo many years
Eden Haiku: When we got into the lodge, the 22 of us. And they shut the door...
Eden Haiku: It was sooo dark and the embers were so red...
Eden Haiku: The stones in the middle, glowing
Eden Haiku: I felt like in prehistoric times
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: yes
Eden Haiku: Primal fear, primal blessing as Adams said

Where we learn about Adams Rubble's ancestry

Adams Rubble: My uncle Barney Rubble remembers prehistoric times :)
Riddle Sideways: giggles
Eden Haiku: ???
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: It was a TV show in US long ago
Adams Rubble: The Flintstones
Adams Rubble: My Unlce Barney was Fred Frlintstone's best friend
Eden Haiku: Oh the Flinstones. They were called "Les Pierrafeu" here :) I know them. They didn’t translate the jokes I guess
Riddle Sideways: to think that it has been so many years waiting for this reference to come up
Adams Rubble: :)
Eden Haiku: The Flintstones :)
Adams Rubble:yes, I have been quiet about my origins :)
Eden Haiku: Flintstones
Riddle Sideways: the Rubbles
Adams Rubble: Aunt Betty
Adams Rubble: Cousin Bam Bam
Eden Haiku: A mystery has been solved today. Adams’ name has prehistoric overtones :)
Eden Haiku: Cousin Bam Bam was the cute baby?
Riddle Sideways: the baby with the big club
Adams Rubble: you may be thinking of the Flintstone baby
Eden Haiku: Ah yes :)
Adams Rubble: Pebbles Flintstone

--BELL--

07:59] Adael: Yes, that, and a big juicy hamburger to go with. Yum!

Adams Rubble: Today Upsala College and the Flintstones entered into the PaB logs (well once Eden postes)
Adams Rubble: Upsala
Riddle Sideways: tracing your family name back to the town of Bedrock
Adams Rubble: How did Barney Rubble translate into French?
Eden Haiku: hehe
Eden Haiku: Can't remember.
Adams Rubble: not that the NJ Upsala has just one "p" and the accent is on the second syllable
Eden Haiku: I do the remember the actor who was doubling the character though.
Adams Rubble: unlike Uppsala University
Eden Haiku: Famous French-Canadian actors from TV were doing the translations
Riddle Sideways: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A305EYEQzEo
Eden Haiku: Uppsala University. Would love to visit, very old.

[08:03] Adael: Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes. -Carl Jung

Where Eden feels like she grew up in Adams’s and Riddle’s neighborhood even though they didn’t watch the Flintstones in the same language

Eden Haiku: Be warned Adael, I'm recording you :)
Adams Rubblewipes a tear from her eye
Riddle Sideways: that would be good, logs does not usually carry Adael
Eden Haiku: patting Adams on her back
Eden Haiku: I know, I have to copy directly from my screen :)
Adams Rubble: Arthur Laroche=Barney Rubble [hint hint as an afterhought: Laroche translates "Stone" which is to say French ancestry of Adams is Adams Stone (stoned?) hehe]
Eden Haiku: She's the wisest of us all,  this Adael :)[Did not record that sentence from Adael, it’s lost forever now...]
Eden Haiku: Arthur Laroche, yes!!!!
Adams Rubble: hmm Adams Laroche
Eden Haiku: I think Paul Berval was Flintstone and Arthur Laroche was... asking my companion, wondering if he will remember... He finds the question weird...
Adams Rubble: Claude Michaud
Eden Haiku: His brain cells are still a bit sleepy...
Eden Haiku: Claude Michaud yes! Wow, Adams, thanks to the Internet, I have the feeling we grew up todether :)
Riddle Sideways: ha
Riddle Sideways: and Bertha Laroche
Eden Haiku: Béatrice Picard! [Was wrong, Monique Miller was playing Betty (Bertha), Béatrice Picard was playing Delima’s mother ( Wilma's mother) ]
Riddle Sideways: Arthur and Bertha
Eden Haiku: She's still acting, an old lady now
Eden Haiku: Was Bertha Flintsone's wife?
Riddle Sideways: Barney's
Eden Haiku: Ah...
Eden Haiku: It’s, 11h11 here :)
Riddle Sideways: Thelma [Looking up the Pierrefeu Wikipedia, I don’t see any Thelma, maybe Riddle meant Wilma...]
Adams Rubble: Arthur Laroche's
Eden Haiku: Thelma
Riddle Sideways: hard chat to follow
Adams Rubble: thank you both for the discussion this morning
Eden Haiku: Thanks Adael and Adams :)
Adams Rubble: hehe, yes Riddle
Eden Haiku: Yes :)
Adams Rubble: good luck readers :)\
Eden Haiku: Thank you Riddle, have a nice day both!
Riddle Sideways: thanks and have your best
Eden Haiku: And good luck readers yes :)
Adams Rubble: bye bye and happy day
Eden Haiku: Bye bye!
Riddle Sideways: by all