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    1. 1.   Happy New Year!   As winter grows ever colder, resolution burns brighter in the first days of the new year.   2010.01.01 01:00 - Like a Submarine   Zon Quar: i think we face everyday problems Zon Quar: it s programmed Strannik Zipper: What makes them problems? Zon Quar: our mind Strannik Zipper: our mind makes the problems? Zon Quar: yes … Strannik Zipper: If the mind makes the problems, what are the when the mind doesn't do that? Bertram Jacobus: that was my question in the beginning of this topic zon : i don´t know ! and not yet sadly Zon Quar: mind always makes problems..it is its nature Calvino Rabeni: Can you get rid of it, Zon? Zon Quar: not really Calvino Rabeni: I think I lost mine. Strannik Zipper: I met a man who was tortured in Romanian concentration camps on and off for 20 years - he didn't always see it as a problem, sometimes it was an opportunity!   Strannik Zipper: It feels like to me, not so much a will question, but a difference between that which we do naturally, effortlessly like washing dishes, and that which is difficult because we have some sort of will resistance   http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2010/01/2010.01.01_07%3a00_-_Enter_Zen_From_Here   Eliza Madrigal: I woke thinking about the 9 seconds as a kind of needle's eye Eliza Madrigal: and the line "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to get into heaven" etc Eliza Madrigal: The point of the story is about dropping :) Eliza Madrigal: Dropping what you have to see what you are Eliza Madrigal: It isn't about literally not having anything, as much as it is about nothing having you   http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/...on_and_Feeling     Calvino Rabeni: The year still feels "new", like if I have thoughts about it, they will have a character of decisions Eliza Madrigal: :) Eden Haiku: listening Calvino Rabeni: I am letting drop - or actually rather feeling into - a feeling attitude I have about getting involved in projects Calvino Rabeni: I am letting go of some of the concern with getting over extended Eliza Madrigal: ah, that's great Eden Haiku: Yes, I see. Calvino Rabeni: In its place there is entering more "spaciousness" Calvino Rabeni: Once that comes in, an unexpected feeling of excitement and gratitude is coming up, spontaneously Eliza Madrigal smiles   Calvino Rabeni: In the past, with new years resolutions, I would kind of decide things and declare them to myself Calvino Rabeni: as if telling myself what to do. Eden Haiku: Yes? Calvino Rabeni: And naturally, I might feel some resistance to being told what to do, even if by myself :) Calvino Rabeni: This time around I am trying a different approach Eden Haiku: chuckles Calvino Rabeni: it is to put my feeling into a deeper place of "what is possible" Calvino Rabeni: And then have some of those things be the resolution Eden Haiku: How would you phrase that? Calvino Rabeni: So in a way, the resolution is pre-approved by a deeper part of me Eden Haiku: It is so much easier having just a short sentence to relate to all year long.... Eden Haiku: It has to come from a deep place though, yes. Calvino Rabeni: I see what you were asking   Calvino Rabeni: Suppose right action were a horse you could ride Calvino Rabeni: It has energy and wants to go a certain way Eden Haiku: And you let the horse lead you? Calvino Rabeni: Would you feel more energetic to get on and ride with it, Calvino Rabeni: or to resist and pull the other way? Eden Haiku: I did that once, in Egypt, riding a horse near then pyramids. First, I tried to lead the horse but soon I realized he was much wiser and he knew the place much better than I. Calvino Rabeni: looking at feelings, there seem to be ones that have flow, and ones that have "blocked" or resistance Calvino Rabeni: And often a complex mixture of those Eden Haiku: He brought me to the best views of Cheops and Mykerinos.The horse was trained to do that. Eden Haiku: feelings that have flow, others that do not? Eden Haiku: Could you give me an example? Calvino Rabeni: a feeling that has a clear message, and feels like it is evolving, it has no fixed form Calvino Rabeni: some people distinguish these types Calvino Rabeni: if I feel stuck with anger, it is the non-flowing type Eden Haiku: tell me a story about a feeling which has a clear message and then evolves... Eden Haiku: I have my own stories but I would like to hear one of yours so I undertsand what you mean. Calvino Rabeni: An anger that says - now I understand what really needs to happen here - and what I need to do and am able to do Calvino Rabeni: That kind, "implies" the way forward Eden Haiku: Yes... Calvino Rabeni: and then, it changes Calvino Rabeni: it doesn't feel like it did before, something new comes into reality Calvino Rabeni: a new possibility, a new viewpoint, Eden Haiku: ok, an example? Calvino Rabeni: and its work is done.

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    Happy New Year!

     

    As winter grows ever colder, resolution burns brighter in the first days of the new year.

     

    2010.01.01 01:00 - Like a Submarine

     

    Zon Quar: i think we face everyday problems
    Zon Quar: it s programmed
    Strannik Zipper: What makes them problems?
    Zon Quar: our mind
    Strannik Zipper: our mind makes the problems?
    Zon Quar: yes

    Strannik Zipper: If the mind makes the problems, what are the when the mind doesn't do that?
    Bertram Jacobus: that was my question in the beginning of this topic zon : i don´t know ! and not yet sadly
    Zon Quar: mind always makes problems..it is its nature
    Calvino Rabeni: Can you get rid of it, Zon?
    Zon Quar: not really
    Calvino Rabeni: I think I lost mine.
    Strannik Zipper: I met a man who was tortured in Romanian concentration camps on and off for 20 years - he didn't always see it as a problem, sometimes it was an opportunity!

     

    Strannik Zipper: It feels like to me, not so much a will question, but a difference between that which we do naturally, effortlessly like washing dishes, and that which is difficult because we have some sort of will resistance

     

    http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2010/01/2010.01.01_07%3a00_-_Enter_Zen_From_Here

     

    Eliza Madrigal: I woke thinking about the 9 seconds as a kind of needle's eye
    Eliza Madrigal: and the line "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to get into heaven" etc
    Eliza Madrigal: The point of the story is about dropping :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Dropping what you have to see what you are
    Eliza Madrigal: It isn't about literally not having anything, as much as it is about nothing having you

     

    http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/...on_and_Feeling

     

     

    Calvino Rabeni: The year still feels "new", like if I have thoughts about it, they will have a character of decisions
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eden Haiku: listening
    Calvino Rabeni: I am letting drop - or actually rather feeling into - a feeling attitude I have about getting involved in projects
    Calvino Rabeni: I am letting go of some of the concern with getting over extended
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, that's great
    Eden Haiku: Yes, I see.
    Calvino Rabeni: In its place there is entering more "spaciousness"
    Calvino Rabeni: Once that comes in, an unexpected feeling of excitement and gratitude is coming up, spontaneously
    Eliza Madrigal smiles

     

    Calvino Rabeni: In the past, with new years resolutions, I would kind of decide things and declare them to myself
    Calvino Rabeni: as if telling myself what to do.
    Eden Haiku: Yes?
    Calvino Rabeni: And naturally, I might feel some resistance to being told what to do, even if by myself :)
    Calvino Rabeni: This time around I am trying a different approach
    Eden Haiku: chuckles
    Calvino Rabeni: it is to put my feeling into a deeper place of "what is possible"
    Calvino Rabeni: And then have some of those things be the resolution
    Eden Haiku: How would you phrase that?
    Calvino Rabeni: So in a way, the resolution is pre-approved by a deeper part of me
    Eden Haiku: It is so much easier having just a short sentence to relate to all year long....
    Eden Haiku: It has to come from a deep place though, yes.
    Calvino Rabeni: I see what you were asking

     

    Calvino Rabeni: Suppose right action were a horse you could ride
    Calvino Rabeni: It has energy and wants to go a certain way
    Eden Haiku: And you let the horse lead you?
    Calvino Rabeni: Would you feel more energetic to get on and ride with it,
    Calvino Rabeni: or to resist and pull the other way?
    Eden Haiku: I did that once, in Egypt, riding a horse near then pyramids. First, I tried to lead the horse but soon I realized he was much wiser and he knew the place much better than I.
    Calvino Rabeni: looking at feelings, there seem to be ones that have flow, and ones that have "blocked" or resistance
    Calvino Rabeni: And often a complex mixture of those
    Eden Haiku: He brought me to the best views of Cheops and Mykerinos.The horse was trained to do that.
    Eden Haiku: feelings that have flow, others that do not?
    Eden Haiku: Could you give me an example?
    Calvino Rabeni: a feeling that has a clear message, and feels like it is evolving, it has no fixed form
    Calvino Rabeni: some people distinguish these types
    Calvino Rabeni: if I feel stuck with anger, it is the non-flowing type
    Eden Haiku: tell me a story about a feeling which has a clear message and then evolves...
    Eden Haiku: I have my own stories but I would like to hear one of yours so I undertsand what you mean.
    Calvino Rabeni: An anger that says - now I understand what really needs to happen here - and what I need to do and am able to do
    Calvino Rabeni: That kind, "implies" the way forward
    Eden Haiku: Yes...
    Calvino Rabeni: and then, it changes
    Calvino Rabeni: it doesn't feel like it did before, something new comes into reality
    Calvino Rabeni: a new possibility, a new viewpoint,
    Eden Haiku: ok, an example?
    Calvino Rabeni: and its work is done.

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