2017.07.24 13:00 - WoLE: Eppur Si Muove

The Guardian for this The Wisdom of Lived Experience - Views from Psychoanalysis, Neuroscience, Philosophy and Metaphysics meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal, who has moved the beginning greetings and comments to the bottom for content clarity. :)

Our reading for this session was:

Week Twenty Nine: Tweedy
Beginning: [1591 approx]  "In a recent book, The God of the Left Hemisphere (Tweedy, 2012), Roderick Tweedy brings to attention some interesting considerations about the left hemisphere's qualities of disengagement from emotion and its pressing its agenda towards power and control.
To: [loc 1751 approx] END SECTION

Beginning Reports 

Mickorod Renard: A great section I found. Not only did it help me come to terms with my own development of my own thinking but I felt this following excert from Maxines book described my efforts well:
Mickorod Renard: 'Change in terms of emotional integration and insight, often require repeated consolidating experience, while also appreciating the ever hovering allure and occasional return to past polarized and entrenched states of mind'
Mickorod Renard: Much of that allure to return to polarised or entrenched states of mind come from the idea that success and profiteering, in hand with an enlarged ego come from being hard faced ruthless narcissistic attitudes.
Mickorod Renard: My efforts to become a more balanced and compassionate fellow have in my opinion been greeted with a feeling that I am becoming weak and not representing those people who are successful in the world. To anyone struggling with a similar dilemna I would suggest you find role models to aspire to, something I have not..yet.
Mickorod Renard: done

Aphrodite Macbain: thanks Mick good suggestion
Eliza Madrigal: thank you Mick
Mickorod Renard: mp
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Eliza Madrigal: sorry, phone rang just as you finished...
Eliza Madrigal: I'd like to ask you after reports, whether you were making conscious choices or just naturally changing

Eliza Madrigal: Who would like to go next?
Tura Brezoianu: Not really a report, but I have a confession to make.
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Eliza Madrigal: oh interesting :)
Eliza Madrigal listens

Tura Brezoianu: I chickened out of last week's sessions, on account of finding myself so out of sympathy with this part. I also found it very heavy going.
Aphrodite Macbain: loves true confessions
Mickorod Renard: listens
Tura Brezoianu: It does seem to rather insistently give the message that thinking is bad, feeling is good.
Tura Brezoianu: Boo left hemisphere, boom right.
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Tura Brezoianu: Despite the disclaimers here and there.
Bruce Mowbray nods and somewhat agrees with Tura -- had a somewhat similar response to this section.
Tura Brezoianu: I very much take the part of the Morlocks, the Enlightment, getting in touch with the stuff that doesn't go away when you don't believe in it.
Aphrodite Macbain: Odd, I found the opposite!
Tura Brezoianu: Reality, which isn't just what we all agree on, whatever Anil Seth says.
Tura Brezoianu: The Earth was round before there were any people to have ideas about it.
Bruce Mowbray ponders: Did humans invent or discover "order"?
Tura Brezoianu: reason can understand emotion. I don't think emotion does understanding.

Aphrodite Macbain: does a tree fall in the forest of noone hears it?
Tura Brezoianu: Eppur si muove :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yet it moves!
Eliza Madrigal: hard to argue with that assessment of right hemisphere bias in the book, due to the perceived left hemisphere advantage... although I have liked the emphasis mostly
Tura Brezoianu: Exactly
Bruce Mowbray: (Galileo)
Bleu Oleander: trees falling produce sound waves whether or not "we're" here to hear them
Aphrodite Macbain: my point
Bruce Mowbray: Galileo . . . sry
Tura Brezoianu: But I look forward to everyone else's views also.
Tura Brezoianu: done
Aphrodite Macbain: thanks Tura
Bleu Oleander: nice Tura!
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for your confession, Tura!
Mickorod Renard: I was reading it in the sense that we could predominate Left thinking as that may, we presume give quicker gain
Eliza Madrigal: Who's next? :)
Mickorod Renard: rather than allowing a right intergration for balance which see's no profit
Aphrodite Macbain: I have a couple of comments...
Eliza Madrigal: great

Aphrodite Macbain: I was interested in the definition of "self"
Aphrodite Macbain: as being dependent on the left brain

--BELL--

Aphrodite Macbain: the fact that we are thinking creatures, she says, separates us from the animals...
Aphrodite Macbain: with a left brain, she says, we can "dominate" the environment
Aphrodite Macbain: I have a hard time with that
Bruce Mowbray: me too, Aph.
Aphrodite Macbain: Our fellow creatures dominate their own environments
Aphrodite Macbain: also
Eliza Madrigal nods
Aphrodite Macbain: even crows have a sphere they dominate
Bleu Oleander: animals think too ... don't have our language perhaps, but have their own intelligence
Aphrodite Macbain: But, I dont think they have a cerebral cortex, do they?
Aphrodite Macbain: I agree Bleu
Aphrodite Macbain: but they DO have their own language
Bleu Oleander: cortex'es come in different sizes
Mickorod Renard: good point Bleu re language as that was highlighted as a left attribute too
Agatha Macbeth: Do animals have left/right hemishperes?
Bleu Oleander: yes, lots of beings can communicate
Bleu Oleander: yes they do
Bruce Mowbray experiences a flash of cortex-size envy.
Eliza Madrigal: that's why I also wondered about the matter of conscious choices, to be less driven/left-brained-as-defined-here
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder what they use the left for then

Aphrodite Macbain: the other comment I have
Aphrodite Macbain: waits
Bleu Oleander: we can't decide to use our left brain or our right brain ... we use all of our brain
Aphrodite Macbain: is that the ability of the left brain to "confabulate" what it doesnt know.
Aphrodite Macbain: which explains, to a certain extent, hallucinations.
Mickorod Renard: it is funny that in the world of education it is projected all the time about the advantage of being well read and well educated
Bruce Mowbray: (make up stories aboput....)
Bleu Oleander: well both sides can make up a pretty good story!
Aphrodite Macbain: Done

Aphrodite Macbain: hard to speak...
Bleu Oleander: oops sorry to interrupt Aph
Bruce Mowbray: Excellent questions, Aph.
Eliza Madrigal: nice questions Aph, the rooftop rest must have done your thinking spaciousness well :)
Mickorod Renard: sorry me too for interupting Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: well, the 2nd was an observation
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Bruce Mowbray: If one takes the tree falling in the forest as a sort of metaphor.....
Aphrodite Macbain: I notice I have an easier time picking up bits and pieces
Aphrodite Macbain: rather than seeing the big picture
Aphrodite Macbain: (an overactive left brain?)
Bruce Mowbray: Is there not still "order" in nature - whether humans are there to describe it?
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Bruce Mowbray: or not.
Eliza Madrigal: little pieces held in open context by overarching big picture
Aphrodite Macbain: we just discover it
Eliza Madrigal: Bruce do you have a report today?
Bruce Mowbray: I don't have a report, but, like Aph, I have some thoughts.
Eliza Madrigal listens

Bruce Mowbray: The description of the right brain reminds me of something an 8th grade student of mine said when we were studying poetry.
Bruce Mowbray: She said, "If you want to write a poem or understand one, you have to slightly change yourself."
Aphrodite Macbain: smiles
Bruce Mowbray: She said that over 50 years ago,
Agatha Macbeth: Fancy you remembering :p
Bruce Mowbray: and I remember its truth every time I "understand a poem --
Aphrodite Macbain: Blake said that too..
Bruce Mowbray: Anyway, another thing:
Bruce Mowbray: https://static.gamespot.com/uploads/...9322-tumbl.gif
Bruce Mowbray: Keep your eye on the pedestrians....
Aphrodite Macbain: yikes!
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh this isn't carmageddon
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Bruce Mowbray: It seems to be that a little left-brain activity might be called for here.
Bruce Mowbray: [done]

Mickorod Renard: most artists..or writers that i know are neither rich or successful in terms of commerce....but they are all intelligent likable people. I think sometimes that there is a trade off..at an cost of something else..and that may be in the way you think
Eliza Madrigal: that's quite a sight :)
Mickorod Renard: nice Bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: and a lot of courage!
Bruce Mowbray: Well, I see the cars as a sort of "dominance"
Aphrodite Macbain: but they seem to be chaotic
Bruce Mowbray: and I see left-brain and right-brain like Russian dolls inside of dolls inside of dolls.
Bruce Mowbray: [ok, I'm really done now]
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Eliza Madrigal: ty!
Bruce Mowbray: yw

Eliza Madrigal: Bleu?
Bleu Oleander: I don't really have a report today
Mickorod Renard: wow Bruce, great vid
Bleu Oleander: I'll just listen and comment :)
Eliza Madrigal: K
Mickorod Renard: I recon you need a left brain to get over that road as a pedestrian
Aphrodite Macbain: what do people think of the idea that the left brain defines us- creates a self?
Bleu Oleander: that's no how I understand it ... how do you define the self Aph?
Bruce Mowbray: If the left-brain is the story-maker, then I would agree that it makes a "self."
Aphrodite Macbain: By a multiplicity of things

--BELL--

Aphrodite Macbain: emotions, awarenesses, chemicals, memory
Bruce Mowbray ponders "chemicals". . . .
Tura Brezoianu: what part of the brain is making the judgement about whether you can get through a gap in the traffic?
Aphrodite Macbain: we are constantly changing
Aphrodite Macbain: good question Tura
Eliza Madrigal: the way described here, 'left brain' can be a controlling image maker, kind of paranoid that if it doesn't create its reality it will be swept away
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, excellent question, Tura.
Agatha Macbeth: I don't care as long as it's right!
Tura Brezoianu: I see the traffic and just sort of get an idea of whether to go or not
Aphrodite Macbain: Some may risk it, others may find another way around
Mickorod Renard: i recon its the left brain that say to hell with it, I am going now whether or not
Bruce Mowbray: Is it the left brain that tells us NOT to type during bell drops?
Eliza Madrigal: depends on where I am, getting across the road is contextual
Aphrodite Macbain: grins
Aphrodite Macbain: to get to the chicken
Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
Aphrodite Macbain: on the other side
Eliza Madrigal: in some places, where there is music playing that gives you a window to cross in, and where people are generally well mannered, you could almost close your eyes and cross
Aphrodite Macbain: true
Aphrodite Macbain: What did you think of the text Eliza?
Riddle Sideways: watching the vid, many people stood waiting then one plowed right head
Riddle Sideways: and the rest followed
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray nods to Riddle.... (That intersection is in Ethiopia).
Mickorod Renard: sometimes I wait for someone else to make the first move
Agatha Macbeth: Along with the Ark

Eliza Madrigal: @ Aph I kept thinking of a child I tutored... it wasn't totally relevant to this, but...
Aphrodite Macbain: listens
Mickorod Renard: other times I get too impatient and launch myself
Eliza Madrigal: when Maxine describes 'erasure', I just kept remembering how quickly everything we did together would disappear
Aphrodite Macbain: :(
Eliza Madrigal: heartbreaking, this kind little boy
Eliza Madrigal: and I have an odd memory and way of remembering things sometimes... can go 'blank'
Eliza Madrigal: or be on a different sort of track... but I plow through
Eliza Madrigal: have other mechanisms
Eliza Madrigal: so that's what I thought about :)
Aphrodite Macbain: how does it tie in with the left brain?
Eliza Madrigal: well like I said, it wasn't directly relevant so I wasn't sure I'd share... but was what I kept thinking about... that blank
Bruce Mowbray ponders "Music hath charms to sooth the savage beast..." Then I think of "industrial noise" music, and have my doubts.
Eliza Madrigal: To the observing clinician, it can be a breathtaking experience to witness the instantaneous erasure of the emotional integration, insight, and mutuality which accompany integrative work. But such erasure makes more sense as we recall that integration, as in all living processes, means "swimming up-stream" against the ever-present entropic pressures which wuold otherwise sweep one towards de-differetiation, and decay. [loc 1270]
Eliza Madrigal: there are also kids who remember everything, but don't connect things
Eliza Madrigal: and I think that's more directly meaningful to the questions today
Eliza Madrigal: can't quite put their knowledge in context
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Eliza Madrigal: situationally
Aphrodite Macbain: constantly trying to 'make sense"
Aphrodite Macbain: but with difficulty
Eliza Madrigal: making sense takes a lot of work for some
Aphrodite Macbain: yes

Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder what other factors come into play
Aphrodite Macbain: other than the cerebral cortex
Aphrodite Macbain: I would think certain emotions would influence this making sense process
Eliza Madrigal: I was actually wondering, when I was hung up on these thoughts, about whether the reason maxine comes across as a right brain advocate at times, is what she's seen in practice
Aphrodite Macbain: fear, anger,
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Eliza Madrigal: what she's most often faced with people, and what was missing with the integrative process
Eliza Madrigal: or seemed missing perhaps
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it's her dream background
Eliza Madrigal: hm, that too
Bleu Oleander: I don't understand what it means to be a "right brain advocate" ... I'm a whole brain advocate myself :)
Tura Brezoianu: Maybe psychiatrists get a biased idea of what people in general are like.
Tura Brezoianu: Everyone they see is crazy!
Eliza Madrigal: I think she is too in actuality, but when writing... what one might emphasize as perhaps needed in their time

Bruce Mowbray: When teaching 8th graders years ago, we did something called "disparate" paragraphs. . . The kids would name, say, five distinctly different things - and the challenge was to include all five of them in one or two coherent paragraphs - that were interesting and made sense.
Bruce Mowbray: Inside of that, we learned "topic sentences" and other paragraph stuff......
Aphrodite Macbain: @Bleu- maybe Maxine feels that too many people rely too much on our left brain. "Stop Making Sense"!
Agatha Macbeth: Good album
Aphrodite Macbain: nice idea Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: but the goal was to have all five words/topics included and that the paragraphs be coherent: this sounds like the lef brain on overdrive to me.
Mickorod Renard: i wonder,,whether those with right hand issues are largely due to some issue,,ie autism or what..but the left hand issues may be something we ourselves allow ourselves to get ourt of balance with
Eliza Madrigal nods, agrees Bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: to make concepts interrelate
Agatha Macbeth: Burning down the house
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Bleu Oleander: @Aph ... really can't rely on your left brain specifically ... its more a whole brain with different states
Riddle Sideways: same as it always was

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: Anyway, I feel that "integraton" might also be a left-brain activity - as well as one for the right-brain.
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Eliza Madrigal: that's what I tutored actually, except with a few who couldn't manage it and wouldn't even take the horrible tests that forced such rigid structures as the bar @ Bruce The kids would lose their joy so quickly but they did sometimes get it back when they accomplished the essay
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps there is a third aspect- the emotions- that helps with integration
Eliza Madrigal: a lot of them were left with the feeling they just weren't going to be good enough though
Aphrodite Macbain: is that an emotion?
Aphrodite Macbain: self doubt?
Aphrodite Macbain: insecurity?
Bruce Mowbray: sounds emotional to me, Aph.
Eliza Madrigal: hm, impression
Aphrodite Macbain: I just feel that our emotional state makes a big difference to how we process things but I am not sure if that is triggered by thje left or the right side. I agree with Bleu it isnt either/or.
Aphrodite Macbain: It's either/or/and
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: the emotion can be the effect of an evaluation
Aphrodite Macbain: done by the left brain?
Bleu Oleander: lots of things contribute to how we process things
Mickorod Renard: I agree Aph, I can switch quite easy from one nature to another..then feel guilt afterwards for being ruthless

Bleu Oleander: emotions are whole brain states
Mickorod Renard: or stupid for being soft
Aphrodite Macbain: nods and smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Hey leave me oit of it ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: seems conditioning to me Mick
Agatha Macbeth: Oit?
Bruce Mowbray: also @Aph -- There are other parts of the brain that give a sense of "self." Dan Siegel talks of a patient whose cerebellum was destroyed; she could still do virtually everything, but she said she felt like "my soul has disappeared."
Aphrodite Macbain: is that Cockney Aggers?
Agatha Macbeth: Afrikaans maybe?
Eliza Madrigal: some project a sense of self better than others maybe? clearer sharper?
Bleu Oleander: projecting a sense of self is receiver dependent I think?
Bruce Mowbray ponders being aware of one's bodily presence. . . proprioception.
Aphrodite Macbain: I still like the notion that the left brain confabulates
Aphrodite Macbain: maybe because I like the word
Eliza Madrigal: with some writers you don't need to see their name, their 'voice' is so clear
Mickorod Renard: I had a friend go on a salesman course....he was transformed into a total jerk
Eliza Madrigal: lol Aph
Eliza Madrigal: me too
Bleu Oleander: you seem to be stuck on that Aph :)
Aphrodite Macbain: sorry
Eliza Madrigal: confabulous
Aphrodite Macbain: I only used it twice
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Bruce Mowbray: Survival of the confabulous!
Eliza Madrigal: it feels weird, like "we're confabulating today"
Eliza Madrigal: :))

Aphrodite Macbain: I watched an Oliver Sacks TED talk when he talked about that process
Bruce Mowbray: proprioception?
Aphrodite Macbain: the brain makes things up when it gets bored
Bleu Oleander: our brains are not so left right defined ... the terms/concepts are too confining
Bruce Mowbray: oh confabulation.
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- she talks about this in this text
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Aphrodite Macbain: blind people "see" things
Aphrodite Macbain: very complex things
Aphrodite Macbain: coughed up from their memory
Bleu Oleander: we make up our best guess all the time ... and confirm it with our senses in the world
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: if we can
Bleu Oleander: yep
Bleu Oleander: we are computational beings that encode and process the info our senses give us
Eliza Madrigal: for some reason I'm thinking about rituals, at least in the case of some buddhist practices... and the way they might be sort of mind conditioners, priming canvas, sort of readying the mind to see compassionately
Bleu Oleander: in ways specific to us as humans
Bruce Mowbray: for sure, Eliza.
Eliza Madrigal: but they are strange, logical mind might not know why the image would be compassionate until later on, would process it more
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Mickorod Renard: as creatures, were we ever designed to be compassionate?..just wondered
Bleu Oleander: the way we're brought up is a sort of mind conditioner too ... actually all of our experiences are mind conditioners
Aphrodite Macbain: We perform the rituals before we fully "understand" them?
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Bruce Mowbray: A koan is directed at the rational mind in order to bring the awareness away from "reason."
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- good example Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: bye Bruce :) ty!
Bruce Mowbray: Whew. Gott get scraping. THANKS, everyone.
Bleu Oleander: bye Bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: Byee Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: gotta*
Agatha Macbeth: Scrape well Brucie
Mickorod Renard: bye bruce
Tura Brezoianu: bye Bruce
Riddle Sideways: scrap well, Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Scrap too
Eliza Madrigal: we're definitely performing of rituals all the time ... chosen rituals are sort of a spotlight on that
Riddle Sideways: :)

Bruce Mowbray: forgot to mention: I caught TWO squirrels inside the house this weekend!
Mickorod Renard: i have to go too, bye everyone
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now.
Eliza Madrigal: OMG
Aphrodite Macbain: awww

--BELL--


Aphrodite Macbain: did u name them?
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Bleu Oleander: wow fun
Eliza Madrigal: Okay Mick, see you soon
Eliza Madrigal: be well and peaceful :)
Bruce Mowbray: No, but I relocated them down the road.
Bleu Oleander: bye Mick
Eliza Madrigal waves to Aph, thanks
Aphrodite Macbain: Time for lunch!
Agatha Macbeth waves to the mass exodus
Aphrodite Macbain: See you later
Bleu Oleander: bye Aph
Eliza Madrigal: Riddle have you finished lunch? hehe
Mickorod Renard: sick dog and house full of kids
Eliza Madrigal: aw
Riddle Sideways: lunch is over, thanks for the time
Eliza Madrigal: ((doggo))
Bleu Oleander: awww hope better soon
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for being here everyone
Agatha Macbeth: Doggo?
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Agatha Macbeth: What's he up to?
Mickorod Renard: he is nearly 18..mifght be gone in a bit
Eliza Madrigal: :(
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Bleu Oleander: sad time
Eliza Madrigal: same with our old cat... creaking around lately... :(
Mickorod Renard: ok bye
Agatha Macbeth: Know the feeling
Eliza Madrigal: bye :)
Mickorod Renard: :)

Eliza Madrigal: bye Tura too :) thanks for your confessions
Riddle Sideways: by All
Eliza Madrigal: hope you don't feel to hide from sessions again
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Tura Brezoianu: goodnight all
Agatha Macbeth: The sessions will find you!
Bleu Oleander: bye Tura
Agatha Macbeth: They know all ans see all
Eliza Madrigal: lots of eyes
Agatha Macbeth: Like Argus
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Here's looking at you kid

Eliza Madrigal: how's agatha?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Right here babe
Agatha Macbeth: How's Liz?
Eliza Madrigal: discombobulated and confabulated
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Agatha Macbeth: So nothing new then
Eliza Madrigal: right
Eliza Madrigal: same ol same ol
Agatha Macbeth: That's good to know
Agatha Macbeth: Plus ca change plus ca meme chose
Agatha Macbeth: That' rather a mer-ish looking dress

Eliza Madrigal: so interesting days... along with hearing from Pila, saw corvi yesterday
Agatha Macbeth: Oh!
Agatha Macbeth: How are they?
Eliza Madrigal: just peeping into SL for a moment and I couldn't stay, but it was really nice
Eliza Madrigal: seem well :)
Agatha Macbeth: Still good to know they're around

Bleu Oleander: c u both
Bleu Oleander: take care
Eliza Madrigal: bye Bleu! You too <3
Agatha Macbeth: Oh bye Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Thought you'd gone!
Agatha Macbeth: :p
Agatha Macbeth: (Me and my camera)
Eliza Madrigal: I've been putting together my gallery exhibit
Agatha Macbeth: Woot
Eliza Madrigal: Bleu makes everything so straight forward and easy
Eliza Madrigal: so one is just left with finding the words
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, she's awesome

Eliza Madrigal: oh, re outfit...
Agatha Macbeth: Decided on last pic yet?
Eliza Madrigal: definitely merish
Agatha Macbeth: Aha
Agatha Macbeth: Thought so
Agatha Macbeth: Japanese mer
Eliza Madrigal: there was one that I wasn't going to use
Eliza Madrigal: but it seemed to demand its place
Agatha Macbeth: Oh put it in then!
Eliza Madrigal: my exhibit isn't so much "Eliza" as "PaB" as it turns out
Agatha Macbeth: Same muchness
Eliza Madrigal: pretty nostalgic
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Agatha Macbeth: Works
Eliza Madrigal: but I'll need to figure out the presentation
Agatha Macbeth: I'm sure you'll do a ggreat job
Agatha Macbeth: with one g

Eliza Madrigal: hehe, feels good to get up and stretch after an hour sitting
Agatha Macbeth: It does
Agatha Macbeth: In both worlds
Agatha Macbeth: Your back loves you for it
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: I type standing up on occasions
Eliza Madrigal: I do this more and more
Eliza Madrigal: and I do all my journaling standing
Eliza Madrigal: but I haven't sprung for the desk...
Eliza Madrigal: some really nice ones
Agatha Macbeth: Can just about reach the keys 8D
Eliza Madrigal: hah
Eliza Madrigal: but much healthier...
Eliza Madrigal: I think para had an under desk cycling gadget
Agatha Macbeth: Sitting is the new smoking
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh what a good idea
Agatha Macbeth: Bike meditations
Eliza Madrigal: never got to ask if it worked well for her
Agatha Macbeth: She won the Tour de France while at PaB
Eliza Madrigal: :P
Agatha Macbeth: Haven't seen her in ages
Eliza Madrigal: nor I
Eliza Madrigal: okay friend, be well ...
Agatha Macbeth: You too
Agatha Macbeth: Shake those fins

--BELL--


Eliza Madrigal: skating on the water
Eliza Madrigal waves and poofs
Agatha Macbeth: Even Jesus never managed that
Eliza Madrigal: that's right
Agatha Macbeth: Not much ice on the Sea of Galilee anyway

Beginning Comments

Riddle Sideways: Hi (again) Eliza