16-18 - Sitting in the Meadow

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March 16 13:00

Threedee Shepherd: Here is a clear example: Being at PaB is fun. Posting the log of a session is work.
Pila Mulligan: what makes fun fun
Eliza Madrigal: For some, posting the log is fun...adding comments ...what you're incline to?
Pila Mulligan: why is play not work?
Eliza Madrigal: well....the imposition of something can take away from fun of something...like "imposing" beauty...trying to "make" something beautiful rather than seeing beauty already there
Pema Pera: perhaps not-doing is fun ?
Eliza Madrigal: so yes...the "have to"
Eliza Madrigal: Certainly
Pila Mulligan: a child's play seems full of abandon
Threedee Shepherd: child's play is actually serious work not seen by them as such--then comes school
Pila Mulligan: so it is the perception that makes it work?
Eliza Madrigal: And yet if you sit them down and say "Play" they often can't, until they forget that you told them to :)
Pila Mulligan: or if you play with them :)
Eliza Madrigal: I read a book years ago..."The Book of Learning and Forgetting"...was about
Eliza Madrigal: how people learn as a result of following interests and networks...remember
Threedee Shepherd: Interesting, when 3-4 (now 5.5) my grandaughter would come overto me and ask "Wily0ou play with me?" NJo adult has ever done so, as I recall. although I have been invited to just go somewhere and "hang out"
Pila Mulligan: yes, I've noticed that too, threedee -- when did we stop asking freinds to come over and play?

One of my favorite typos ever:

Threedee Shepherd: wow, this keyboard makes lots of misteaks tonight;>
Eliza Madrigal: : ) That's true...adults are hesitant to be "silly"
Eliza Madrigal: I have a few friends who enjoy games and such...not too many
Pila Mulligan: but then it is play a gasme, not just play :)

3/17 01:00

Bertrum Quan: Life is a struggle. And the sea itself is a metaphor for life. So in a sense, keeping the sea at bay (pun intended) is an attempt to deny a certain aspect of life...
Wester Kiranov: if we don't keep the sea at bay in some way we can't live here at all. It actually forces us (as a country) to think about the sea a lot, if we denied it we would not last long. But maybe that's not what you meant?
Bertrum Quan: Yes, it is a noble struggle on that level. In a different sense, it suggests a certain confidence in human beings that they can harness the natural world. That thinking has in some instances has, I think, created a certain imbalance,
Wester Kiranov: Sometimes it does, that's true. When people get overconfident in technical solutions.
Wester Kiranov: But sometimes they also think about what they can allow the sea to do. For instance, the Wadden isles wander, so any town you build there has a limited lifespan. People accept that.
Bertrum Quan: That's interesting. I didn't know about the Wadden Isles and what is built there.

March 17 07:00

Riddle Sideways: well, back to a time streaching subject
Riddle Sideways: I have had problems relating how I do time tothis group
Riddle Sideways: since it is based on an art that is hard/long to describe
Riddle Sideways: not many would/could relate
Riddle Sideways: took me years
Riddle Sideways: but, I can experience what others most times do in an auto accident
Riddle Sideways: that calm
Riddle Sideways: of just having to DO
Riddle Sideways: the auto-setting of priorities
Riddle Sideways: and only doing the most important
Riddle Sideways: as if automagically
Riddle Sideways: no thoughtt
Riddle Sideways: then later re-live the inputs that were just 'recorded'
Adams Rubble "wows" at the re-live part
Riddle Sideways: and that re-live vs remember vs play-back it the point
Riddle Sideways: what is that

March 17 13:00

Pema Pera: Wol: well, Pema, you told us that time is an illusion. But yet it seems that time is pretty real. What gives?

Wol Euler: Pema: well, it's quite simple if we take it step by step

Pema Pera: Wol Euler waiting to hear the steps

Wol Euler: Pema: time is not an object or a place or an event, it is a perception, an appearance

Pema Pera: [Pema: I wouldn't say it is a perception]

Pema Pera: Wol: so there is an appearance of time -- but doesn't that appear in time?

Wol Euler: Pema: time passing is probably what you mean, Wol. that exists only in the appearance of time :)

Adams Rubble slips quietly away

Pema Pera: Wol: but does appearance arise

Wol Euler: Pema: no. Everything exists in Being in all states at all time.

Wol Euler: Pema: the change that appears to you is a change in appearance only, the reality of Being does not change.

Pema Pera: [Pema: hmm, I wouldn't use "exists" nor "states" nor "all time" -- but perhaps we should go to a more concrete example; Wol likes concrete!]

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Wol Euler: ok, so in YS I looked around myself and saw a problem, a biiiiiiiiig problem that I had been carefuly and with great efort ignoring for nearly 18 months.
Wol Euler: one that fills me with dread, which is why I had beenworking so hard to ignore it.
Wol Euler: "I" just couldn't see any way to addrss it, there was no starting point, no crack for the crowbar's tip
Wol Euler: BS then looked at the problem and saw four places that I might start, and what I might do at each point in order to create movement.
Wol Euler: without any of the fear and anxiety and morbid doubt that "I" felt when looking at it
Wol Euler: it was really quite amazing.

 3/18 13:00 - Pema talked about starting PaB

Pema Pera: perhaps it was all a joke?
Pema Pera: or just a foolish attempt to see reality?
Fael Illyar: Yes, quite a long time for a joke :P
Pema Pera: you can take your favorite interpretation !
Mickorod Renard: grin
Pema Pera: but seriously, the idea germinated in Feb/March last year
Pema Pera: and it seemed best to start at the first of the month
Fael Illyar: Ah, so it didn't start from a joke :)
Pema Pera: and that happened to be April . . . .