Happy New Year!

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As winter grows ever colder, resolution burns brighter in the first days of the new year.

  

2010.01.01 01:00 - Like a Submarine

  

Zon Quar: i think we face everyday problems
Zon Quar: it s programmed
Strannik Zipper: What makes them problems?
Zon Quar: our mind
Strannik Zipper: our mind makes the problems?
Zon Quar: yes

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Strannik Zipper: If the mind makes the problems, what are the when the mind doesn't do that?
Bertram Jacobus: that was my question in the beginning of this topic zon : i don´t know ! and not yet sadly
Zon Quar: mind always makes problems..it is its nature
Calvino Rabeni: Can you get rid of it, Zon?
Zon Quar: not really
Calvino Rabeni: I think I lost mine.
Strannik Zipper: I met a man who was tortured in Romanian concentration camps on and off for 20 years - he didn't always see it as a problem, sometimes it was an opportunity!

  

Strannik Zipper: It feels like to me, not so much a will question, but a difference between that which we do naturally, effortlessly like washing dishes, and that which is difficult because we have some sort of will resistance

  

http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2010/01/2010.01.01_07%3a00_-_Enter_Zen_From_Here

  

Eliza Madrigal: I woke thinking about the 9 seconds as a kind of needle's eye
Eliza Madrigal: and the line "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to get into heaven" etc
Eliza Madrigal: The point of the story is about dropping :)
Eliza Madrigal: Dropping what you have to see what you are
Eliza Madrigal: It isn't about literally not having anything, as much as it is about nothing having you

  

http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/...on_and_Feeling

  

  

Calvino Rabeni: The year still feels "new", like if I have thoughts about it, they will have a character of decisions
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eden Haiku: listening
Calvino Rabeni: I am letting drop - or actually rather feeling into - a feeling attitude I have about getting involved in projects
Calvino Rabeni: I am letting go of some of the concern with getting over extended
Eliza Madrigal: ah, that's great
Eden Haiku: Yes, I see.
Calvino Rabeni: In its place there is entering more "spaciousness"
Calvino Rabeni: Once that comes in, an unexpected feeling of excitement and gratitude is coming up, spontaneously
Eliza Madrigal smiles

  

Calvino Rabeni: In the past, with new years resolutions, I would kind of decide things and declare them to myself
Calvino Rabeni: as if telling myself what to do.
Eden Haiku: Yes?
Calvino Rabeni: And naturally, I might feel some resistance to being told what to do, even if by myself :)
Calvino Rabeni: This time around I am trying a different approach
Eden Haiku: chuckles
Calvino Rabeni: it is to put my feeling into a deeper place of "what is possible"
Calvino Rabeni: And then have some of those things be the resolution
Eden Haiku: How would you phrase that?
Calvino Rabeni: So in a way, the resolution is pre-approved by a deeper part of me
Eden Haiku: It is so much easier having just a short sentence to relate to all year long....
Eden Haiku: It has to come from a deep place though, yes.
Calvino Rabeni: I see what you were asking

  

Calvino Rabeni: Suppose right action were a horse you could ride
Calvino Rabeni: It has energy and wants to go a certain way
Eden Haiku: And you let the horse lead you?
Calvino Rabeni: Would you feel more energetic to get on and ride with it,
Calvino Rabeni: or to resist and pull the other way?
Eden Haiku: I did that once, in Egypt, riding a horse near then pyramids. First, I tried to lead the horse but soon I realized he was much wiser and he knew the place much better than I.
Calvino Rabeni: looking at feelings, there seem to be ones that have flow, and ones that have "blocked" or resistance
Calvino Rabeni: And often a complex mixture of those
Eden Haiku: He brought me to the best views of Cheops and Mykerinos.The horse was trained to do that.
Eden Haiku: feelings that have flow, others that do not?
Eden Haiku: Could you give me an example?
Calvino Rabeni: a feeling that has a clear message, and feels like it is evolving, it has no fixed form
Calvino Rabeni: some people distinguish these types
Calvino Rabeni: if I feel stuck with anger, it is the non-flowing type
Eden Haiku: tell me a story about a feeling which has a clear message and then evolves...
Eden Haiku: I have my own stories but I would like to hear one of yours so I undertsand what you mean.
Calvino Rabeni: An anger that says - now I understand what really needs to happen here - and what I need to do and am able to do
Calvino Rabeni: That kind, "implies" the way forward
Eden Haiku: Yes...
Calvino Rabeni: and then, it changes
Calvino Rabeni: it doesn't feel like it did before, something new comes into reality
Calvino Rabeni: a new possibility, a new viewpoint,
Eden Haiku: ok, an example?
Calvino Rabeni: and its work is done.