2018.01.04 13:00 - A and E neanderthals ?

The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard. The comments are by Mickorod Renard.

Aphrodite Macbain: 's current display-name is "Aph".

Mickorod Renard: Hi Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Mick
Mickorod Renard: It was getting lonely here
Mickorod Renard: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: aww
Aphrodite Macbain: I expected more people
Mickorod Renard: so, tell me, how was Mexico?
Aphrodite Macbain: Hot!
Mickorod Renard: I saw a program the other day on migrants..it was very hot
Mickorod Renard: oppressive
Aphrodite Macbain: nice. I was ina little town sousth of Guadalajara
Aphrodite Macbain: Migrants from Mexico?
Mickorod Renard: mmm,,can't say I am familiar with mexican geography
Mickorod Renard: well, in a way,,passing through to get to usa
Mickorod Renard: guatamalians and so forth
Aphrodite Macbain: It really varies- from teamy jungles to hi arid deserts
Aphrodite Macbain: steamy :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: When did you visit Guatemala?
Mickorod Renard: yes, I had two mexicans as friends foor a while,,they lived somewhere whrethey said it was perfect weather
Aphrodite Macbain: It was pretty nice where I was, I'm just not great in the heat
Mickorod Renard: no, i never went to guatamalia,,it was them trying to get to mexico
Aphrodite Macbain: ah
Aphrodite Macbain: It's a beautiful country with beautiful people
Aphrodite Macbain: I was there in the 80s
Mickorod Renard: but my friends, Ricado and,,erm forgot,,they said it rained every day when they slept and was sunny the rest of the time but not too hot
Aphrodite Macbain: I travelled all over central and south america in the 80s
Aphrodite Macbain: I could speak spanish back then
Mickorod Renard: wow, thats very intrepid of you
Aphrodite Macbain: I was researching masks
Aphrodite Macbain: and costumes
Mickorod Renard: I had planned,,when I was younger that i would motorbike accross
Aphrodite Macbain: It have me an excuse to travel and meet people
Mickorod Renard: great idea
Aphrodite Macbain: You still can :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: along the panamerican highway
Mickorod Renard: I could..I was hoping to do it with my son,,but he has no interest in me now
Aphrodite Macbain: too bad :-(
Aphrodite Macbain: Maybe he cant imagine what it might be like
Mickorod Renard: I know,,great plans..but no worries
Aphrodite Macbain: Can you go with a friend?
Mickorod Renard: he can't hold a conversation with me
Mickorod Renard: I dont have any friends anymore..he he
Aphrodite Macbain: ? why?
Aphrodite Macbain: cant he hold a conversation with you?
Mickorod Renard: I am proberbly horrible..grin
Aphrodite Macbain: a horrible conversationalist?
Tura Brezoianu: hi Aph, Mick
Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Tura
Tura Brezoianu: and HNY
Mickorod Renard: he thought I was alien..cos I was always right..and could do anything
Tura Brezoianu: I wasn't sure if there was a meeting today
Mickorod Renard: Hi Tura
Mickorod Renard: happy new year
Aphrodite Macbain: we still have one chapter to go but I'm not sure if anyone is interested any more
--BELL--
Mickorod Renard: after next Thursday I am wrapping up hosting thursday
Tura Brezoianu: A tempo has to be kept up, I think
Aphrodite Macbain: you'll be busy with a new babe!
Aphrodite Macbain: I enjoyed the book.
Mickorod Renard: syeh, the darwin bit this week i propose we do the last bit..
Mickorod Renard: me too
Aphrodite Macbain: I am glad he described the other creation myths in the world at the back of the book. I was thinking it was very western-centeric
Mickorod Renard: and made me think alot..much to do with other things but stimulated by the book
Aphrodite Macbain: me too
Mickorod Renard: yes Aph, If I had time I would look them up
Mickorod Renard: Baby shouldnt arrive until feb the 8th
Mickorod Renard: but she has had them braxton hicks
Aphrodite Macbain: I found it important that he described the false assumptions people have made about Darwin's theory of natural selection.
Mickorod Renard: which are like practice labour pains
Aphrodite Macbain: like "survival of the fittest" and the concept of progress.
Mickorod Renard: yes, have you read the last chapter?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Mickorod Renard: ok..I havnt digested it yet
Aphrodite Macbain: I had to return the book to the library so I read in advance.
Mickorod Renard: ah ok
Aphrodite Macbain: It would be a good reference book to purchase, I think. I have the Kindle version
Mickorod Renard: i think there is a link between darwinian evolution and the story
Aphrodite Macbain: Have yoou read the last chapter Tura?
Tura Brezoianu: Yes, and the epilogue
Aphrodite Macbain: I didn't have time :-(
Aphrodite Macbain: Was it useful?
Mickorod Renard: its problematic sometimes..for me at least..to sugest somethings for fear of being sexist or what
Mickorod Renard: Hi Ags
Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Aggers!
Tura Brezoianu: Darwin was a big nail in the coffin of literalism about Adam and Eve
Agatha Macbeth: Stupid cushions
Tura Brezoianu: along with everything else we found out about how the world really works in the last couple of centuries
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes- it's hard to reconcile the skull of Lucy in the African desert and another skull in Europe being A&E in one garden!
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe Lucy was Eve
Agatha Macbeth: Nobody ever said Eve was white
Aphrodite Macbain: Maybe it was an african python
Mickorod Renard: one of these days we will discover something and we wont be able to believe we have been doing something so silly for so long..like using plastic bottles
Aphrodite Macbain: that tempted her
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- hindsight is 20 20
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh plastic's a pain
Mickorod Renard: I think A and E is like an algorythm
Agatha Macbeth: How so?
Mickorod Renard: a nonsence placed in the brain that the subconcious can use to make sense
Aphrodite Macbain: oh?
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Mickorod Renard: he he
Aphrodite Macbain: Is that what an algorithm is?
Mickorod Renard: you have to bear in mind I am mad
Agatha Macbeth: I was thinking of logorithms, sorry
Aphrodite Macbain: ah - that makes a great deal of sense Mick
Agatha Macbeth: 2 x 2 = nonsense
Aphrodite Macbain: what's it like to be mad?
Mickorod Renard: grin
Agatha Macbeth: No one asks you to explain
Agatha Macbeth: The radio by her side...
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: what's playing?
Agatha Macbeth: She's a special lady
Mickorod Renard: well, I recon its got to do with the diferent values of male and femele
Aphrodite Macbain: who?
Agatha Macbeth: Angie
Agatha Macbeth: Living in a world of make believe
Agatha Macbeth: Well maybe
Aphrodite Macbain: It must be a British thing...
Agatha Macbeth: Dunno where the guy in the radio went
Agatha Macbeth: No Canadian actually!
Mickorod Renard: in the animal world..they have strange habits
Aphrodite Macbain: Canadians have guys in radios?
Agatha Macbeth: Seems so
Aphrodite Macbain: They must be very small
Agatha Macbeth: And the US had women in radiators
Aphrodite Macbain: snort
--BELL--
Tura Brezoianu senses unfamiliar cultural references flying overhead
Agatha Macbeth: In heaven everything is fine
Aphrodite Macbain: May I have some of what you're imbibing, Aggers?
Tura Brezoianu: ah, I've seen Eraserhead
Mickorod Renard: does anyone know of animals doing wierd things..like killing the young when a new mate takes over?
Agatha Macbeth: Not sure one can bottle it
Aphrodite Macbain: only weired to us
Aphrodite Macbain: wierd
Tura Brezoianu: don't lions do that routinely?
Agatha Macbeth: Weird and wired
Aphrodite Macbain: Often the dad eats the cubs
Mickorod Renard: I think lots do
Aphrodite Macbain: especially if there is little space
Agatha Macbeth: Greedy sod
Agatha Macbeth: Aren't zebras enough?
Mickorod Renard: so females in the animal world operate with a diferent thought pattern
Mickorod Renard: than males
Aphrodite Macbain: a different set of genes
Aphrodite Macbain: I know a number of people who still believe in the creation story and in Noah and the Ark
Tura Brezoianu: happens in humans too, not so routinely, but statistically, stepfathers are more likely to be violent against stepchildren than fathers to their own children
Mickorod Renard: but in A and E there is an attempt to bring about union for a pair presumably for proliferation
Mickorod Renard: exactly Tura
Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder if they have a different consciousness
Tura Brezoianu: what do they say about the billion years of life on Earth, and the billion since the universe began?
Aphrodite Macbain: they dont
Tura Brezoianu: *billions since etc.
Mickorod Renard: and there are the srories of wicked step mothers
Agatha Macbeth: Billions and billions!
Aphrodite Macbain: 200-300,000 years ago man appeared
Aphrodite Macbain: the earth is over 3 billion years oold
Mickorod Renard: I was just thinking that the story may have been an attempt to convince the masses to form union and work together even though there is a difference in male and female thinking
Aphrodite Macbain: old
Agatha Macbeth: Yo man!
Agatha Macbeth: I always wondered what happened to the Neanderthals
Aphrodite Macbain: they interbred with others
Mickorod Renard: interbbred
Agatha Macbeth: And whether some are still around
Aphrodite Macbain: apparently most of us have a Neqaderthal gene
Aphrodite Macbain: when we're feeling tired :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: *Neaderthal
Mickorod Renard: remember that song
Aphrodite Macbain: ** Neanderthal (that was a Neanderthal moment)
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Mickorod Renard: i am the neanderthal man
Agatha Macbeth: Ug ug
Mickorod Renard: was it the trogs?
Aphrodite Macbain: trogs?
Agatha Macbeth: Hotlegs
Agatha Macbeth: Later 10 cc
Aphrodite Macbain: ??
Tura Brezoianu: I think the purpose of the A&E story is to explain the existence of evil
Agatha Macbeth: Think that was before Graham Goulden joined
Tura Brezoianu: Maybe that why we have religions at all. Religions are like pearls: mucus congealed about an irritating speck of muck.
Aphrodite Macbain: Interesting Tura
Tura Brezoianu: The speck being the fact that so much of everything sucks.
Aphrodite Macbain: It explains the fall of man
Mickorod Renard: I'm a neanderthal man You're a neanderthal girl Let's make neanderthal love In this neanderthal world
Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder whether they were good lovers
Mickorod Renard: I recon this must have preceded A and E story
Agatha Macbeth: What day were they made on, supposedly?
Mickorod Renard: that by the way is the extent of the lyrics but repeated over and over
Aphrodite Macbain: The Old Testament was apparently written in the 5th century BC
Aphrodite Macbain: long after Lucy was born
Agatha Macbeth: It was written down in Babylon
Aphrodite Macbain: In Aramaic
Agatha Macbeth: Probably from oral traditions
Aphrodite Macbain: yes probably
Agatha Macbeth slaps her wrist for saying 'oral'
Aphrodite Macbain: all those begats made for interesting epic poetry
Agatha Macbeth: Well there are a lot of them
Mickorod Renard: there is still some similarity,,as the towers where instructions were babbled out must have been so due to lack of folks who cud read
Aphrodite Macbain: there was a real mix of people in Babylon - Iraniand and Semits of different persuasions
Agatha Macbeth: Pythagoras was there too
Aphrodite Macbain: measuring things
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: He got about that guy
Mickorod Renard: geographicaly isreal/palastine was the crossroads for trade
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Mickorod Renard: as was persia and syria
Aphrodite Macbain: connecting to Egypt and Spain
Aphrodite Macbain: and all the way to China
Agatha Macbeth: Caravans
Mickorod Renard: so naturally folk would 'be there'
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: It was a commercial centre
Agatha Macbeth: Can't beat the old Silk Road
Aphrodite Macbain: there are receipts for goods written in cuneiform
Mickorod Renard: it always amazed me that they even went with ships to the uk and traded for copper and such
Aphrodite Macbain: along with the Gilgamesh myth
Agatha Macbeth: The Phonecians did yes
Aphrodite Macbain: "seagoing peoples"
Mickorod Renard: thats a fair old trip even today
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm reading a book that gives the background to Islam- it's fascinating.
Mickorod Renard: yes?
Mickorod Renard: that sounds interesting
Aphrodite Macbain: called "The Venture of Islam"
Mickorod Renard: ty
Mickorod Renard: is it big?
Agatha Macbeth: o.o
Mickorod Renard: i have a que of stuff..thats all
Aphrodite Macbain: Over 500 pages. The first bit gives a background of what the area was like before the religion formed
Aphrodite Macbain: 800-400 BC
Mickorod Renard: thats double A and E
Aphrodite Macbain: Too much information
Aphrodite Macbain: hard to remember it all
Agatha Macbeth: Too many notes Mozart
Aphrodite Macbain: but It will stick eventually
Mickorod Renard: I have given up on remembering
Aphrodite Macbain: It's to prepare for our trip to Spain in May
Agatha Macbeth: We're going to Spain?
Aphrodite Macbain: medieval spain
Agatha Macbeth: Hola
Mickorod Renard: ah yes, interesting aspect to your trip
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm going with the university
Mickorod Renard: 3 religions
Agatha Macbeth: All of it?
Aphrodite Macbain: 40 of us!
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Agatha Macbeth: You'll need a big bus
Aphrodite Macbain: at that time (800-1100) Christians, Jews and Muslims were living relatively peacefully in Spain
Aphrodite Macbain: we will take the train- staying only in Granada and Cordoba
Mickorod Renard: I recall it was the French guy someone the bald who beat the moorish hoards back otherwise the uk would have been islam too
Agatha Macbeth: Charlemagne?
Aphrodite Macbain: cool
Agatha Macbeth: Or Charles Martel
Agatha Macbeth: Some Charlie anyway
Aphrodite Macbain: Charles the Bald
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Aphrodite Macbain: 823-877
Mickorod Renard: I can't remember the full story now..did it with my son when he was in frence school
Agatha Macbeth: Hair today gone tomorrow
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Mickorod Renard: that was what my barber said to me
Aphrodite Macbain: He was the king of France and the Holy Roman Emperor
Aphrodite Macbain: what did he say Mick?
Mickorod Renard: of the carolingian dynasty I think
Mickorod Renard: hair today gone tomorrow
Agatha Macbeth: Carolus rex
Aphrodite Macbain: Too much information.
Aphrodite Macbain holds her head
Agatha Macbeth: Too many notes
Aphrodite Macbain: Down rex!
Agatha Macbeth: Get rid a few
Aphrodite Macbain: bundles them up and throws them in the garbage
Mickorod Renard: I was amazed how narrow the straights of Gibraltar are
Aphrodite Macbain: Time to head out and buy a new watch strap
Mickorod Renard: you could swim to Africa
Mickorod Renard: bye Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: really?
Mickorod Renard: cheers
Agatha Macbeth: Swim to Africa for a watch strap?
Aphrodite Macbain: did you get bitten by a monkey?
Agatha Macbeth: Bit far
Mickorod Renard: yeh..easy
Mickorod Renard: wifes bag got ripped up
Agatha Macbeth: The Pillars of Hercules
Mickorod Renard: he he
Aphrodite Macbain: where are/were they Aggers?
Agatha Macbeth: Straits of G
Aphrodite Macbain: huh
Agatha Macbeth: Allegedly
Mickorod Renard: blocking the atlantic fro med
Aphrodite Macbain: what did your wife have in her bag?
Mickorod Renard: just the usual women rubbish
Aphrodite Macbain: potato chips?
Aphrodite Macbain: have a great weekend!
Mickorod Renard: I mean real important stuff..like lipstick
Agatha Macbeth: Any fish?
Agatha Macbeth: TC Aphie
Mickorod Renard: he he
--BELL--
Mickorod Renard: I think she has kept fish in it at some time
Mickorod Renard: prob a huge carp..by the size of it
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Agatha Macbeth: I've heard of a cat in the bag
Agatha Macbeth: Not a fish
Mickorod Renard: it saves having to take luggage on the plane
Agatha Macbeth: Ar true
Mickorod Renard: just have a huge handbag
Agatha Macbeth: And hit the pilot with it
Mickorod Renard: I am thinking of getting one
Agatha Macbeth: Too easy to lose or nick for my liking
Mickorod Renard: it has a sort of detachable roller assembly like they use tput space rockets on the launch pad
Tura Brezoianu: it's a big handbag that needs wheels
Agatha Macbeth: Guess a rocket launcher is a handy thing to have
Mickorod Renard: well, she was in the guides and likes to be prepared
Agatha Macbeth: Typical
Agatha Macbeth: I prefer the Brownies
Mickorod Renard: yeh..its sexist cos us lads used to have to carry a penknife in the scouts but thats been banned
Agatha Macbeth: Little hooligans
Mickorod Renard: I remember as a lad we could walk about with huge machettes and air riffles but no longer
Mickorod Renard: well, u can in usa
Agatha Macbeth: Well there were wars and stuff in them days
Mickorod Renard: aye, never knew if a meshesmitte might crash
Mickorod Renard: think I spelt that wrong
Agatha Macbeth: Cabbage crates over the briny
Mickorod Renard: so, have you had bad wind?
Agatha Macbeth: No, I took something for it
Agatha Macbeth: But it has been stormy
Mickorod Renard: must be Tura then?
Agatha Macbeth: Tura ra bum diay
Mickorod Renard: are you near water then Ags?
Tura Brezoianu: turaluralay
Agatha Macbeth: Not immediately
Mickorod Renard: he he
Mickorod Renard: big winds here today
Agatha Macbeth: Hope it didn't blow the Rollrights down
Agatha Macbeth: Boing boing
Agatha Macbeth: Oh I'll look
Agatha Macbeth: See if can spot any witches
Agatha Macbeth: The things people send you eh
Agatha Macbeth: Anyways
Agatha Macbeth: Shame Liz and Bruce weren't here
Agatha Macbeth: Ar
Agatha Macbeth: Love to Morg
Agatha Macbeth: And the kids
Agatha Macbeth: Byee

Tura Brezoianu: goodnight Ag, Mick