2018.02.17 13:00 - Staring at Goats, Welsh Earthquakes, and Skinheads

 

The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments are by Bruce Mowbray.

 

Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Mick.

Bruce Mowbray: It's so unusual that anyone shows up for this session.

Mickorod Renard: hi bruce

Bruce Mowbray: I often forget to show up myself, actually.

Mickorod Renard: he he

Bruce Mowbray: Hi Riddle

Mickorod Renard: Hi Riddle

Riddle Sideways: howdee All

Bruce Mowbray: It's a crowd!

Mickorod Renard: How are you both?

Riddle Sideways: ummm, have noticed the sometimes not showing :)))

Riddle Sideways: yes, several

Bruce Mowbray: I have just returned from a meeting in town, and the house is not warmed up yet so I have my winter coat on. How are you?

Bruce Mowbray: oops

Mickorod Renard: grin

Riddle Sideways: ㋡ if you shout loud enough, you'll get warm

Mickorod Renard: I have just noticed my fire has gone out

Mickorod Renard: but warm enough anyway

Bruce Mowbray: How can I make my chat box smaller in height? It's taking up half the screen.

Mickorod Renard: same here Bruce

Bruce Mowbray: Do you know how to do it, riddle?

Bruce Mowbray: I'm using the Firestorm viewer.

Mickorod Renard: I just drag the corners in

Riddle Sideways: drag the handle

Bruce Mowbray: That does not reduce the height

Riddle Sideways: ya, only goes so far, but should leave enough to see

Bruce Mowbray: It still takes up half of the screen

Riddle Sideways: smallest is about 8 lines

Riddle Sideways: large font?

Bruce Mowbray: I have a total of 12 lines

Bruce Mowbray: No just medium font

Riddle Sideways: idk

Mickorod Renard: I saw a good program on the Kennedy assassination early this morning

Bruce Mowbray: My Windows 10 crashed and I had to completely format the disk and start over . . . And now I have to go back and fix these small items, I guess.

Bruce Mowbray: Please say more, Mick

Riddle Sideways: ㋡

Mickorod Renard: it was suggesting that it was a cia group involved in the bay of pigs job..group 20 or something,,that had done it

Bruce Mowbray: (I don't know why it's making me shout.)

Mickorod Renard: backed by Bushes Ford and one other..erm

Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I have heard that theory.

Bruce Mowbray: Well I guess not exactly that theory.....

Riddle Sideways: so many good theories, programs

Mickorod Renard: who was pres afterwards..Johnson?

Bruce Mowbray: Personally, I think that Johnson had a lot to do with it

Riddle Sideways: yes

Mickorod Renard: and him then

Mickorod Renard: :)

Bruce Mowbray: After Johnson,  Nixon . . . 

Riddle Sideways: would be fun to make a catalog of all the theories and documentaries

Mickorod Renard: where does Ford fit in?

Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes Ford . . . I completely forgot about him

Bruce Mowbray: But Ford came in after Nixon, and Ford pardoned him.

Riddle Sideways: very easily forgotten

Bruce Mowbray: Indeed.

Mickorod Renard: anyway..nothing new perhaps,,but interesting that it will never go away

Bruce Mowbray: I thought with the recent release of the documents we might find some clues to what really happened, but apparently not.

Riddle Sideways: ㋡ And Elvis is not dead

Mickorod Renard: it was an American program,,the investigator was an ex us seal

Bruce Mowbray: Right.

 

--BELL—

 

Mickorod Renard: I think many folk involved have now gone either mysteriously or of age

Bruce Mowbray: I had my own mystery to solve regarding why my friend Byrd Helligas lied to the FBI about knowing Oswald, and I solved that one to my satisfaction.

Mickorod Renard: yes, I recall you telling us a while back

Mickorod Renard: moving on to another subject,,did I notice in the logs that the book club was still an interesting prospect?

Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I put up a website about it. "Connecting the Dots" http://www.hermitdog.com/JFK/Connecting%20Dots.htm

Riddle Sideways: there might be some rubbing 2 books together to see it they spark

Bruce Mowbray: I have enjoyed the book discussions very much

Riddle Sideways: yes, got more attendance

Bruce Mowbray: Do you have any good books to recommend?

Mickorod Renard: well, I could get motivated again should we all decide on what to do

Bruce Mowbray: Maybe that would be a good subject for today's Guardian meeting.

Mickorod Renard: I do not at the moment Bruce

Mickorod Renard: I keep feeling drawn to something that we may want to investigate

Mickorod Renard: for eg,,remote viewing or something like that

Bruce Mowbray: I am currently listening to the audiobook by Walter Isaacson on the life of Leonardo da Vinci.

Bruce Mowbray: What is remote viewing?

Mickorod Renard: that sounds interesting Bruce

Riddle Sideways listens

Bruce Mowbray: It's a fascinating book.

Mickorod Renard: well..rv may just be a red herring

Bruce Mowbray: Oh you mean this psychic ability to see things far away from oneself?

Mickorod Renard: it was something that they tried to develop years ago for means of spying

Mickorod Renard: yes

Bruce Mowbray: Yes the movie "Men Who Stare at Goats" came out of that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Stare_at_Goats

Mickorod Renard: and could we as a group try it out?

Bruce Mowbray: You mean, shall I try to see you in London and shall I try to see Riddle in California?

Mickorod Renard: the goat thing was a ruse,,as there are certain goats subject to fainting

Bruce Mowbray: And will you try to see me in Ohio? Heaven forbid!

Mickorod Renard: I wouldn’t like to say there is any point in RV as I don’t think it carried weight

Riddle Sideways: oh dear! what are you wearing there?

Bruce Mowbray: (I really don't understand the shouting thing) - and every time after it makes me shout it also makes me type and I don't want to type.

Mickorod Renard: but if we wanted to explore something like that?

Bruce Mowbray: I'm wearing my red winter coat

Riddle Sideways: o forgot the ㋡

Bruce Mowbray: Because the room is still cold.

Mickorod Renard: I am thinking of what we could develop in ourselves,,like the boundaries of human capability

Bruce Mowbray: It is an Ohio State Buckeyes goose down coat

Riddle Sideways: am already having 'fun' with dreams

Bruce Mowbray: Could you see that, Mick?

Riddle Sideways: TMI

Mickorod Renard: that sounds like the mother of all warm jackets

Bruce Mowbray: It's delightfully warm, thank you

Bruce Mowbray: I am seeing that England had an earthquake this afternoon.

Bruce Mowbray: Did you feel it?

Mickorod Renard: I love dreams..but after a long time doing it I have to conclude that they are constructs of our own mind

Mickorod Renard: no Bruce, I missed it

Bruce Mowbray: Only a 4.4 on the West Coast (of England -- actually of Wales)

Mickorod Renard: news to me

Mickorod Renard: 4.4 that could have been my wife snoring

Mickorod Renard: :)

Riddle Sideways: bet that y'all don't have those little putty wads under every breakable display piece in your houses

Bruce Mowbray: I see that riddle is wearing a Monkees T-shirt . . .

Mickorod Renard: nope

Mickorod Renard: hey hey it’s the monkeys

Bruce Mowbray: I saw them perform in Portland once.

Bruce Mowbray: With my younger sister when she was in junior high school.

Riddle Sideways: Nez lives down the road

Bruce Mowbray: She is now 62 years old

 

--BELL—

 

Mickorod Renard: I remember going to see them at the cinema

Bruce Mowbray: Nesbit.

Bruce Mowbray: or Nesmith - can't remember

Bruce Mowbray: Davey.

Riddle Sideways: yes

Riddle Sideways: Nesbit

Bruce Mowbray: Hmmm... Peter, Davey, and ? ?

Bruce Mowbray: Mick,

Riddle Sideways: Mick

Bruce Mowbray: and ?

Mickorod Renard: I always found it fascinating how women find different looking guys attractive

Mickorod Renard: Davy Jones

Bruce Mowbray: Really?

Mickorod Renard: beaky

Bruce Mowbray: Why is that? Don't you find different looking women attractive? - not that it's any of my business.

Mickorod Renard: he he ..yes, but It was a first observation whilst growing up

Mickorod Renard: how to suss out what women might find me attractive

Bruce Mowbray: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkees

Mickorod Renard: one would model oneself on certain pop stars

Bruce Mowbray: Davey Jones and Michael Nesmith.

Bruce Mowbray: I never thought of myself as attractive to anyone.

Bruce Mowbray: Maybe that's because I had antlers growing out of my skull.

Riddle Sideways: Beatle haircuts and still did not think attentive

Mickorod Renard: I don’t think I found myself attractive either,,but one had to make an effort..didn’t help me though

Bruce Mowbray: My real-life avatar-typist is refusing to have his hair cut until Trump is out of the White House

Bruce Mowbray: So it has been growing for over a year now

Riddle Sideways: think this typist has not cut hair since Ford

Mickorod Renard: wow,,mine doesn’t grow much these days

Bruce Mowbray: Taking me back to my hippie days in Berkeley

Riddle Sideways: nope, it is shrinking

Riddle Sideways: way thin

Mickorod Renard: my grandkids love seeing pics of me with long hair

Bruce Mowbray: I'm having a hard time getting used to hair in my eyes and tickling my ears.

Bruce Mowbray: That's great, Mick.

Riddle Sideways: sister's great grandkids ask why ya gotz long hair

Mickorod Renard: yeh, my old school mate sent me a pic of when we were lads too,,that was funny

Bruce Mowbray: I can hardly identify with that young lad that I once was -- or so they tell me I used to be.

Bruce Mowbray: Since I have no one nearby who knew me when I was younger than 29, it's easy to forget.

Riddle Sideways: well this old lad is just as stupid as that young one was

Riddle Sideways: still playing rock-n-roll

Mickorod Renard: I have come a long way,,from blissful self-gratifying maniac to something similar but more discrete

Bruce Mowbray: I moved from Berkeley to Ohio when I was 28... and three or four years later I changed my name (when I got married), so no one knew me as a youngster.

Bruce Mowbray: [Which is just as well]

Mickorod Renard: he he ,,that’s great Bruce

Riddle Sideways: dropped off the grid

Mickorod Renard: I never had to go that far

Bruce Mowbray: Quite a transformation, actually.

Bruce Mowbray: It's amazing how changing your name can alter your identity to some extent.

Riddle Sideways: yep

Riddle Sideways: when introduced to somebody their neck seems to always jerk back

Mickorod Renard: I cannot understand why Trump keeps his name when he could be Napoleon

Bruce Mowbray: Of course women do that all the time when they get married -- and any identity changes they probably think are due to marriage rather than name change.

Mickorod Renard: ah great point, Bruce

Riddle Sideways: double standard??

Mickorod Renard: I noticed that women act real nice up to becoming married,,then they change into something else

Bruce Mowbray: I had lunch today with several people and freely expressed to them that I consider Trump to be a traitor -- and every person in the group agreed with me.

 

--BELL—

 

Riddle Sideways: careful in the gun toting part of Ohio

Mickorod Renard: It could be that you choose to socaialize with like-minded people though, Bruce

Bruce Mowbray: I know that my wife seemed to change a lot after we were married -- and not in a good direction.

Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes, everyone in the group is quite liberal.

Mickorod Renard: I am sure you are not alone there Bruce

Bruce Mowbray: Although, this part of Ohio is generally very supportive of Trump

Bruce Mowbray: Very conservative.

Mickorod Renard: :)

Mickorod Renard: nasty shooting again the other day

Bruce Mowbray: (I really have no idea why this program is making me shout and type)

Bruce Mowbray: Well those nasty school shootings are unfortunately very common in America these days

Bruce Mowbray: One of the first things that Trump did when he got into office was to eliminate mental illness as a disqualification for buying guns

Riddle Sideways: and there have been 17 school shootings since the start of this year

Bruce Mowbray nods.

Bruce Mowbray: Sad but true.

Riddle Sideways: luckily most were not mass murders, but still

Mickorod Renard: I can actually understand the practicality of the gun law there though,,its a big place and say for eg the Chinese dropped a load of parratroops off it would take a while to hold em back,,here it’s so small a country it doesn’t matter

Riddle Sideways: why are kids carrying

Riddle Sideways: guns in their backpacks

Bruce Mowbray: Americans watch people getting shot every night on TV -- if you've done that for 19 years, you probably think that's the way to solve your problems, emotional and otherwise.

Mickorod Renard: we used to take bb guns to school so we could fend off kids from another school

Bruce Mowbray: Wow!

Bruce Mowbray: spitballs were our limit.

Mickorod Renard: well, throwing rocks would have been more lethal

Mickorod Renard: there was a period when I was a lad that was dominated by gang warfare

Bruce Mowbray: I think in the small town that I grew up in people really respected each other, were polite to each other, would never throw rocks at each other . . .

Mickorod Renard: skinheads, mods, rockers, greasers

Mickorod Renard: wow Bruce, sounds utopian

Bruce Mowbray: Maybe that's just a thing of the past now -- and skin heads and gangs are the norm in public schools these days. I certainly hope not.

Bruce Mowbray: Would anyone care to go with me to the amphitheater?

Mickorod Renard: I will follow

Riddle Sideways: ok, but why?

Bruce Mowbray: kk. See you there.