The Guardian for this meeting was Mick. The comments are by Agatha.

Bruce Mowbray: 's current display-name is "Bruce".
Mickorod Renard: Hii Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Mick!
Mickorod Renard: yay, missed you monday
Bruce Mowbray: Yeppers. Do the Closing on the farm sale.
Bruce Mowbray: Doing*
Mickorod Renard: ah!, did it go ok?
Bruce Mowbray: All done now.
Mickorod Renard: great
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, without a hitch.
Mickorod Renard: must be a relief
Bruce Mowbray: I cannot even express how much of a relief it is.
Agatha Macbeth: Bonsoir mes amis
Mickorod Renard: one day I must put my affairs right
--BELL--1.00
Mickorod Renard: ayup me duck
Agatha Macbeth: You're having an affair?
Mickorod Renard: if only..he he
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Agatha Macbeth: Naughty boy
Agatha Macbeth: Yay Blubster is back
Agatha Macbeth: Lizzy ♥
Mickorod Renard: Hi Liz
Eliza Madrigal: Hellooooo <3
Agatha Macbeth waaaaaves
Mickorod Renard: thankyou for the video the other day Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: cuuute outfit Agatha :)
Agatha Macbeth beams
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, most welcome Mick
Agatha Macbeth: A naughty film?
Eliza Madrigal: of course
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Me next then :p
Mickorod Renard: I must admit to having not watched all as yet, I was away amd need to give it full attention
Mickorod Renard: :)
Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Mickorod Renard: very in depth
Eliza Madrigal: that's fine... was just something I thought you might find value in - re 'equanimity'
Agatha Macbeth: Bleuji :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi Bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
Agatha Macbeth: I see Stormy on the horizon
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Agatha Macbeth: Here he is
Bleu Oleander: hi Storm :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm :)
Storm Nordwind: Good afternoon :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi Storm
Mickorod Renard: just going dark here
Agatha Macbeth: Still light tho
Storm Nordwind: True. Afterafternoon then :)
Agatha Macbeth: God aften
Mickorod Renard: def that
Bruce Mowbray: [back from phone call]
Eliza Madrigal waves hello to Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Was it the bank?
Mickorod Renard: well, we had a session on Monday but didnt nes want to go over that again if everyone has read the logs?
Bruce Mowbray: no, it was two doctors
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: Wow one's bad enough
Mickorod Renard: and if we have more reports then we could move into those
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Mickorod Renard: is Bruce on the phone?
Eliza Madrigal: I'm nearly caught up I think, and took some notes, but not sure they'll have place until we begin to converse
Bruce Mowbray is listening.
Bruce Mowbray: not own phone.
Mickorod Renard: kk
Bruce Mowbray: on
Agatha Macbeth: He has his antlers tuned in
Bruce Mowbray is listening for Eliza's report
Agatha Macbeth: Go Liz
Eliza Madrigal: no report :)
Mickorod Renard: yes, please let us hear your notes Eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Mickorod Renard: if you could
Mickorod Renard: if not I can post my jottings from Monday
Eliza Madrigal: hm, not really.. would appreciate waiting to sort of get into the swing of session
Eliza Madrigal: thanks!
Mickorod Renard: ok
Agatha Macbeth swings as best she can
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: anyone want to input rather than me?
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder where Tura is
Mickorod Renard: maybe felt was enough on Monday?
Bruce Mowbray: May be Mick or someone could help us by summarizing Monday's discussion.
Eliza Madrigal: Tura wasn't at dream session this week too, so maybe traveling or somesuch
Agatha Macbeth: Possibly
Bruce Mowbray: have we reached the part where the birds actually begin the journey?
Bruce Mowbray: because I haven't read that far yet.
Agatha Macbeth: Don't think so
Eliza Madrigal: I haven't
Bruce Mowbray: okay.
Mickorod Renard: Bruce, I think this is the moment
Agatha Macbeth: Still pontificating
Mickorod Renard: that they are getting ready
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Mickorod Renard: I found one or two poems that I found moving
Storm Nordwind: If only they had walked a step for every word uttered, they'd have been there already.
Bleu Oleander: lol
Agatha Macbeth: Ha
Eliza Madrigal: re Monday's session (read before but just re-scanned), yes Storm does give great hugs :)
Mickorod Renard: I am still unsure they need to go anywhere
Storm Nordwind beams
Agatha Macbeth looks across expectantly :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: I think ts a journey within oneself
Eliza Madrigal: I keep trying to translate the text more into our time
Agatha Macbeth listens to Mick
Eliza Madrigal: so imposing aliens, or high tech
Eliza Madrigal: hoopoe trying to get everyone into the space ship
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: ponders high tech birds :)
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Mickorod Renard: just that, as we cannot really change anything much that the change must come from ourselves
Bleu Oleander: thinks twitter
Bruce Mowbray: you mean aliens aren't necessary?
--BELL--1.15
Eliza Madrigal: but we have models for change? for what is possible?
Mickorod Renard: some find it from a relationship through religion, others in other ways
Bleu Oleander: its all change?
Mickorod Renard: yes, the whole everything is in constant change
Mickorod Renard: like sun burns out and matter changes from one thing to another
Mickorod Renard: but we like to get fixed on things, possess
Mickorod Renard: attachments
Bruce Mowbray: so in the physical world of space and time, everything changes.... how about in the realm that the hoopoe is talking about?
Mickorod Renard: what about impermanence?
Eliza Madrigal: I hear guidance toward so-called deeper virtues
Bruce Mowbray: do things change there?
Bruce Mowbray: I hear guidance toward surrender.
Mickorod Renard: I am unsure what the Hoopoe will reveal if it does.but I too believe it will be surrender
Eliza Madrigal: to death?
Mickorod Renard: to inevitability and to not holding onto
Bruce Mowbray: to the death of things material that can be possessed... or identified with.... perhaps
Bruce Mowbray: fetishes...
Agatha Macbeth looks up
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: well, maybe we could make acceptions
Bleu Oleander: is it important to believe in things not material? what is not material in some sense?
Bruce Mowbray listens and partially agrees with Bleu...
Eliza Madrigal: I found myself making the comparison with seeking happiness vs. seeking what makes for happiness
Bruce Mowbray: aren't the birds seeking happiness?
Bleu Oleander: we're poor judges of that if you read psychology today
Mickorod Renard: many of the birds seem happy without the trip
Bleu Oleander: most popular course at Yale is one on happiness
Mickorod Renard: almost forced into it
Mickorod Renard: but they have a choice
Agatha Macbeth: Good to know
Eliza Madrigal: there was a portion ... (hope close to this week's reading)
If in this world you seek
for happiness You are asleep,
your search is meaningless --
If you seek happiness
you would do well To think
of that thin bridge arched over hell. *
The world’s apparent joy cannot compare
With what we seek -- it isn’t worth a hair;
Here the Self rages like an unquenched fire,
And nothing satisfies the heart’s desire --
Encompass all the earth, you will not find
One happy heart or one contented mind.

Eliza Madrigal: And then a footnote that this is a symbol from another work, wherein the bridge is a character test. So the lesson is about seeking virtue. * Sirat: a hair-thin bridge over the pit of hell. The good will be able to cross it; the wicked will slip and plunge into the pit (cf.the ‘brig o’ dread’ in the “Lyke Wake Dirge”)
Eliza Madrigal: Or at least that's how I read it... that seeking deeper than one's mere happiness would be more durable
Bruce Mowbray: but even by the hoopoe's way of thinking, if one truly loved hell, which she not be thereby transported it to heaven?
Bruce Mowbray: would she not*
Bruce Mowbray: The Dragon is putting in extra words today, sorry.
Eliza Madrigal: the hoopoe doesn't seem like he would tell them ahead of time :))
Bruce Mowbray: are you saying that the hoopoe wants them to discover love for themselves?
Eliza Madrigal: no other way
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Storm Nordwind: The hoopoe says or implies he knows best for them, better than they do themselves. (That would be an annoying person in real life!)
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like my mother
Bleu Oleander: :)
Bruce Mowbray: in my own experience, I had to go very far into the darkness before I could see any of the light that the hoopoe seems to be talking about.
Mickorod Renard: perhaps this is about fidelity..some believe they are right and as such are in some way just
Mickorod Renard: perhaps the wrong words but if you know what I mean
Bruce Mowbray: that's one of the reasons I consider the foibles to be Dharma Gates... If one struggles long enough and deeply enough with one's foibles, one may feel the only recourse is surrender.
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Agatha Macbeth: Here she is
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tura :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Tura :)
Storm Nordwind waves
Tura Brezoianu: hi all, sorry I'm so late
Tura Brezoianu: stuff
Agatha Macbeth: We forgive you
Mickorod Renard: there was another reference about some poor soul who was not a follower of islam but was still just in their own faith
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Tura. We've been waiting for you.
Mickorod Renard: Hi Tura
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Seymore please, Mick.
Bruce Mowbray: Say more.
Mickorod Renard: I meant that if one is knowingly commiting crimes even tho following some sort of religion then that is wrong
Mickorod Renard: wheras a person misguided but rightious and such is better
Mickorod Renard: not that I am saying any religion is correct
Mickorod Renard: virtuous is maybe better
Agatha Macbeth: They're as correct as each other :p
Mickorod Renard: yes, perhaps they are intimating that the name of religion is secondary
--BELL--1.30
Eliza Madrigal: @Bleu, just read what you were saying about the positive psych research/course at Yale. I took that and am nodding agreement. Much more interesting than I thought it would be.
Mickorod Renard: which in our case is good
Eliza Madrigal: Seeking happiness may be a religion we don't call a religion
Bleu Oleander: yes me too Eliza
Mickorod Renard: seeking happiness through greed might be wrong?
Bruce Mowbray: The hoopoe's audience are persons raised in the Islamic tradition, so naturally they would be Sufis and such . . . who would feel that anyone outside of Islam didn't have the "True" faith . . . but I think the hoop Pole puts that down.
Bruce Mowbray: hoopoe*
Mickorod Renard: yes Bruce, I felt refreshed when I noticed that, if I am not mistaken
Eliza Madrigal: I know the text speaks in terms of good and evil but I sort of translate it out as deeper/shallow, if that makes sense... so devoted/dabbler, etc
Bruce Mowbray loves deeper.
Eliza Madrigal: Sufis were not embraced by all of Islam, isn't that correct? that we talked about before. Sort of extreme?
Mickorod Renard: there is some historical element that where the author was living , he may have felt he had to clothe the poem in Islam?
Eliza Madrigal: extremely personal I mean
Bruce Mowbray: Sufis, as I understand it, were Muslim mystics.
Agatha Macbeth: There's a school of thought that they actually predate Islam
Agatha Macbeth: pre-date (not eat)
Eliza Madrigal: haha
Bleu Oleander: :)
Bruce Mowbray: just as the Hassidim are Jewish mystics.
Bruce Mowbray: if you mean institutional Islam, aggers, I'd agree with that.
Tura Brezoianu: Howdo you tell the bottle from the wine though?
Agatha Macbeth pulls Brucie's antlers
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Mickorod Renard: If we try and look through the veil of religion, and focus on what they are purporting, I think its some Love for what is simple and natural
Agatha Macbeth: The wine tastes better :p
Bruce Mowbray: indeed, how do you tell the bottle from the wine? wonderful question
Storm Nordwind: Sufis were and still are sometimes harassed by mainstream Muslims.
Agatha Macbeth: Like the Yazidi Kurds
Bruce Mowbray: well, I think you could say exactly the same thing for Christian mystics, Storm.
Mickorod Renard: a letting go of ones idea that grabbing at material things will make us happy and that loving each other is free and pleantyful
Storm Nordwind: Always, Bruce, though I don't think they have ever achieved the institution status of Sufism.
Bruce Mowbray: yes, Mick, I agree that letting go is essential -- even letting go of one's belief system.
Eliza Madrigal: perhaps seeking ecstatic experiences is seen as unwise or just aesthetically bothersome, by mainstream religions?
Eliza Madrigal: "we are civilized now"
Bruce Mowbray: could point, Storm... in Christianity mystics usually end up as monastics.
Agatha Macbeth: Is loving each other is free and plentyful tho?
Bruce Mowbray: or often do, anyway.
Bruce Mowbray: or hermits.
Agatha Macbeth: One is sorry
Storm Nordwind: They feel threatened Eliza. "If it ain't written down in the book, it ain't right"
Mickorod Renard: Ags, there is a risk of being taken advantage of
Eliza Madrigal: but usually there are writings!
Bruce Mowbray: I think the quest for ecstasy is core . . . but somehow the ecstasy happens almost in spite of the quest, not as a result of it.
Agatha Macbeth: The book is somewhat out of date, no?
Storm Nordwind: "Our book is the Truth. Your book is fake news."
Eliza Madrigal: getting the wine to the destination. maybe if you break it open too early you get lost
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Agatha Macbeth: True Liz
Bruce Mowbray: I am remembering that Joseph Campbell quoted C,G, Jung's saying, " The purpose of all organized religion is to protect people from the God experience."
Agatha Macbeth: He might be right too
Eliza Madrigal: hm, that brings back, at least my notion of imposed morality v virtue
Bruce Mowbray: the ancient Hebrews believed that even uttering the name of God was too much.....
Bruce Mowbray: let alone building churches around it.
Eliza Madrigal: guarding the mystery?
Agatha Macbeth: YHWH isn't the easiest thing to say anyway
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Bruce Mowbray: right, it cannot even be written.
Storm Nordwind: Editor, scrub that line!
Tura Brezoianu: I haven't noticed God experiences breaking in since leaving behind my very unzealously Christian upbringing
Agatha Macbeth: Noted
Mickorod Renard: there is something wonderful about doing something real nice, but there is a fear that we may give too much away..? but that is a hurdle, and beyond total commitment is perhaps an ecstacy?
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe G is moving in mysterious ways Tu
Bleu Oleander: sorry must sneak out early today :)
Eliza Madrigal: bye Bleu, gtsy
Agatha Macbeth: Awww
Storm Nordwind waves
Bruce Mowbray: I can honestly say that I was never truly open to a "God experience'" until I gave up religion altogether
Bleu Oleander: bye all
Mickorod Renard: bye Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Love to doggy
Tura Brezoianu: bye Bleu
Bruce Mowbray: bye Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: I have similar questions Tura, not that there are no experiences, but that they are quite different in nature.
Mickorod Renard: As I have said before, I was not up for a God experience, in fact I was so consumed with my control issue and loosing it that it was inconvenient, however as it turned out letting go was the best thing
--BELL--1.45
Bruce Mowbray identifies with Mick's experience
Agatha Macbeth identifies with Mick's shirt
Bruce Mowbray ponders inconvenience and ecstasy.
Eliza Madrigal: There are a few snippets of texts from other sources I made note of, not knowing whether they would be meaningful to others but I kept thinking of them while reading and trying to feel the spirit beneath the text. May I share them?
Mickorod Renard: I think, on reflection..I found that any human I had trusted I found I could not. trusting in something outside human entity became my way out
Agatha Macbeth: Give me ecstasy any day
Bruce Mowbray: please do, Eliza.
Agatha Macbeth: Pls do Liz
Mickorod Renard: go for it Liz
Eliza Madrigal: Okay, ty
Eliza Madrigal: Not that which the eye can see, but that whereby the eye can see:
know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;
Not that which the ear can hear, but that whereby the ear can hear:
know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;
Not that which speech can illuminate, but that by which speech can be illuminated:
know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;
Not that which the mind can think, but that whereby the mind can think:
know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore. (Kena Upanishad)
Eliza Madrigal: (I felt this speaks to the spirit of renunciation and the deep/shallow thing)
Eliza Madrigal: And a snippet from one of my favorite texts, the Song of Enlightenment:
Just take hold of the source
And never mind the branches.
It is like a treasure-moon
Enclosed in a beautiful emerald.
Now I understand this Mani-jewel
And my gain is the gain of everyone endlessly.
Eliza Madrigal: (done)

Agatha Macbeth: Interesting that Mani gets in there
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Storm Nordwind: The first one from Kena Upanishad is reminiscent of drop what you have to see what you are.
Bruce Mowbray: Ecstasy = "to stand outside of" (a "vision" of Reality outside of one's familiar space, ideas, beliefs, traditions, possessions. . . .) - - Is that what Eliza's song is referencing?
Mickorod Renard: very nice Eliza, and I thank you for such a great ....thing
Eliza Madrigal nods Storm... and the projector analogy
Storm Nordwind: indeed
Eliza Madrigal: that's a nice question Bruce... like whirling in suspension?
Bruce Mowbray: could be, yes.
Bruce Mowbray: or sitting perfectly still, perhaps.
Mickorod Renard: he he ,
Agatha Macbeth: Wouldn't know Brucie, can't do it :p
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Storm Nordwind: Also Eliza, it's appreciating the presence of appearance as a presentation by Being
Bruce Mowbray: have you ever met anyone who was literally incapable of sitting still without saying anything for 20 minutes? I have.
Mickorod Renard: before my mum refered to me being like Rasputin, she called me a whirling dervis
Bruce Mowbray: yes, Mick, and my mom called me " perpetual sound and motion"
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Mickorod Renard: he he
Agatha Macbeth: Know the feeling
Bruce Mowbray: I was a good case for Ritalin as a child, probably
Bruce Mowbray: thank goodness it had not been invented yet.
Agatha Macbeth: Rasputin and ritalin
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't Ataturk ban the dervishes BTW?
Mickorod Renard: I am impressed we dug out such great conversation after a bit of an early stall
Bruce Mowbray: it would make sense if he did.
Agatha Macbeth: In 1923
Bruce Mowbray: that would fit the frame, I think.
Bruce Mowbray: sometimes a stall helps the dig.
Agatha Macbeth: He wanted to break with the past I think
Bruce Mowbray wonders why he is not seen Raffi at these sessions recently....
Agatha Macbeth: She was here on Tue for a while I think
Storm Nordwind: Do not appreciate the conversation Mick, but that whereby you can appreciate the conversation.
Bruce Mowbray: by the way, has anyone heard from Pila recently?
Eliza Madrigal: also unrelated (but related in a weird way), psychedelics are being allowed to be studied again now - ecstatic quests
Bruce Mowbray: the volcano is getting worse by the day.
Eliza Madrigal grins Storm
Mickorod Renard: just as a matter of interest, I am finding that if I give myself totally to my grandkids I find them so much fun as opposed to being frustratingly annoying
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
Storm Nordwind: Pila is fine, apart from vog 
Mickorod Renard: he he Storm, ty
Agatha Macbeth: Great
Bruce Mowbray: yes, Mick, I've read a few articles on "microdosing" in the mainline magazines.
Agatha Macbeth: He has a lot of affinity with that volcano anyway
Mickorod Renard: yes Bruce? never heard of that
Bruce Mowbray: vog - fog + volcanic gases.
Bruce Mowbray: vog equals fog + volcanic gases.
Eliza Madrigal: Michael Pollan is coming out with a book about it (it was me)
Bruce Mowbray: about diet?
Agatha Macbeth: Pollan count
Eliza Madrigal: about psychedelic quests and their potential benefits
Bruce Mowbray: Pollan is BIG on food.
Mickorod Renard: I am lost, volcano or diet?
Bruce Mowbray: ahhhh, I will look out for that.
Agatha Macbeth: A la Castaneda?
Mickorod Renard: ah
Eliza Madrigal: he describes a man while dying having an ecstatic experience that is quite like what mystics convey
Eliza Madrigal: beautiful
Bruce Mowbray: Wow.
Bruce Mowbray: this reminds me of Weil.
Bruce Mowbray: https://www.drweil.com/
Mickorod Renard: I sort of am quite looking forward to reading the next part now
Agatha Macbeth: Oh not Kurt
Mickorod Renard: opening now, might crash
Tura Brezoianu: And not Simone
Agatha Macbeth: We'll catch you
Bruce Mowbray: can you tell us the heading of the part where we can all get together on it by Monday, Mick?
Agatha Macbeth: Yes that would be good
--BELL--2.00
Bruce Mowbray: sort of all on the same page, as it were.
Agatha Macbeth: Can't wait for them to get their wings in gear
Eliza Madrigal: Yes please. :) Am still not able to make it Mondays but am reading!
Bruce Mowbray: or the same pixel....
Agatha Macbeth: Pixel pages
Storm Nordwind: heading: Zuleikha has Joseph whipped
Mickorod Renard: yes, hold on
Bruce Mowbray: if you have the name of the section --- okay thank you.
Eliza Madrigal: ty!
Agatha Macbeth: Ah getting to the good stuff :p
Bruce Mowbray: I will make an MP3 for that and post it online.
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks Brucie
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Bruce

Mickorod Renard: read from 31st may line 3170 p177 (Zuleikha has joseph whipped) to 3693 ish (The Valley of Unity) read from 7th June line 3693 ish p206 (The Valley of Unity) to 4130 ish (The Journey) read from 14th June line 4130 p229 (The Journey) to 4455 The end

Mickorod Renard: bye Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Got it
Bruce Mowbray also got it.
Eliza Madrigal: warming up to the journey is most of the battle it seems :)
Mickorod Renard: great
Agatha Macbeth: Ain't it always?
Storm Nordwind: Are we there yet?
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: I'm off to scrape up supper. . . .
Agatha Macbeth: I never said that as a kid
Agatha Macbeth: Scrape well Brucie
Agatha Macbeth: Be well
Tura Brezoianu: goodnight Bruce
Storm Nordwind waves
Bruce Mowbray: be well, good people!
Mickorod Renard: byeee
Agatha Macbeth waves too
Eliza Madrigal: bye Bruce!
Mickorod Renard: wow
Agatha Macbeth: He's right, we are good
Mickorod Renard: its funny, I keep getting the feeling we cover similar ground with each book we do
Storm Nordwind: No he meant the good people among us to be well. The evil ones, he didn't say
Eliza Madrigal: "is that the same tree?"
Mickorod Renard: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe there's only one book :p

                    
Agatha Macbeth: Feeling horny Liz?
Storm Nordwind: Good people I must go now too. And the rest of you ;)
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Storm!
Storm Nordwind waves
Mickorod Renard: maybe there is only one truth? :)
Mickorod Renard: bye Storm
Agatha Macbeth: TC Stormy
Eliza Madrigal: this is only fun because I so often opt for the halo
Mickorod Renard: he he
Agatha Macbeth: Halo halo halo

An event looms

Mickorod Renard: what was that thingy you sent an email on Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: the event this weekend?
Mickorod Renard: someone doing a meditation?
Mickorod Renard: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Is that a harp in your hand or are you just glad to see me?
Eliza Madrigal: He is actually a friend of Bruce's
Agatha Macbeth: Oh great
Mickorod Renard: ah, i think i met him once
Eliza Madrigal: and I'm not sure what the session will entail but he describes it as "inner voice meditation"
Mickorod Renard: is it sat or sun?
Eliza Madrigal: He came to the poetry event
Eliza Madrigal: June 2, so I think Saturday
Mickorod Renard: thats right
Mickorod Renard: I will try and make it
Eliza Madrigal: seems nice, but quite busy so it has been hard to get clear details all in order with him
Eliza Madrigal: great
Mickorod Renard: but need headphones etc?
Agatha Macbeth: Do we know what time?
Eliza Madrigal: need to be able to hear voice
Eliza Madrigal: 2pm SLT
Agatha Macbeth: Ok
Eliza Madrigal: Tentatively, it will be in the meditation area
Mickorod Renard: ok, we wont speak tho?
Eliza Madrigal: but I'll send a LM beforehand
Eliza Madrigal: I don't think we need to speak
Agatha Macbeth: A tentative meditation?
Eliza Madrigal: and he has a notecard for those who can't hear
Eliza Madrigal: :)) Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: 'This may enlighten you or it may not'
Eliza Madrigal: aren't they all :)
Eliza Madrigal: we'll see if it is a good fit with the group
Mickorod Renard: that is the question
Tura Brezoianu: I shall look forward to it. Is the venue on the PaB HUD?
Eliza Madrigal: if so, he may come more often
Eliza Madrigal: If it takes place in the retreat space, it isn't on the HUD...
Eliza Madrigal: let me give you a LM but I'll also send in the group note
Mickorod Renard: I remember a few famous folk doing talks in the past, like neon chompski
Eliza Madrigal: Did you receive it? My mouse keeps sticking
Agatha Macbeth: Here?
Eliza Madrigal: Oh yes that was neat, Mick
Eliza Madrigal: Ara asked him a question
Agatha Macbeth ponders a sticky mouse
Tura Brezoianu: No, I didn't
Eliza Madrigal: let me try again
Mickorod Renard: yes, she did
Eliza Madrigal: Did you go to that event too Mick?
Mickorod Renard: i havnt
Agatha Macbeth: I didn't get anything
Tura Brezoianu: Got it, thanks
Mickorod Renard: yes I did
Agatha Macbeth: Got it now ta
Eliza Madrigal: great
Mickorod Renard: got it ty
Eliza Madrigal: have all these tiny aggravating issues with the computer now.. have to get it seen about
Eliza Madrigal: I think Elijah also does these events in other places
Eliza Madrigal: so he may be sending his own notices and we may have visitors
Agatha Macbeth: Nice
Eliza Madrigal: :) so wear your halo
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Agatha Macbeth: Don't think I got one
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: there you go :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh I do
Agatha Macbeth: Woot
Agatha Macbeth: Tura's needs moving up a bit
Mickorod Renard: ok, I have to go
Agatha Macbeth: Have fun Mick
Agatha Macbeth: Love to Morg
Tura Brezoianu: bye Mick
Eliza Madrigal: hugs Mick
Mickorod Renard: not sure i have the lm but will find you all
Mickorod Renard: hugzz to all
Eliza Madrigal: I'll send with the group notice on the day
Mickorod Renard: btw, I am thinking of a new theme session
Eliza Madrigal: Oh??
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh
Mickorod Renard: it was brought up on Monday
--BELL--2.15
Agatha Macbeth: Remind moi
Eliza Madrigal: missed that
Mickorod Renard: a 20 second virtual mind hug each half hour
Eliza Madrigal: :) mind hug?
Agatha Macbeth: I don't mind
Eliza Madrigal: do you have a hug animation in SL?
Mickorod Renard: a sort of mental belive we are hugging,,its supposed to release oxytocin
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, yes I believe in that
Agatha Macbeth: Not ritalin
Mickorod Renard: a real 20 second hug is
Agatha Macbeth: We need Storm to do it
Eliza Madrigal: SL hugs can be pretty nice too
Mickorod Renard: so I wondered if we could do it mentally
Eliza Madrigal: fascinating
Mickorod Renard: yes, I am happy for anyone to run it
Eliza Madrigal: supposedly if you stare at someone for 4 minutes you'll always love them
Agatha Macbeth: I might get carried away :p

Staring at goats (seriously)

Mickorod Renard: I tried that to try and finnish them off, like those goats
Eliza Madrigal: there are worse things than hugging too much
Agatha Macbeth: Goats?
Mickorod Renard: :)
Eliza Madrigal: um, yes... goats?
Tura Brezoianu: "The Men Who Stare At Goats"?
Mickorod Renard: yeh
Agatha Macbeth: Billy goats gruff?
Eliza Madrigal: Ohh lol
Agatha Macbeth: Do the goats stare back?
Mickorod Renard: I saw a program the other day about a chap who stared by accident and freaked loads of people out
Eliza Madrigal: what if you are a woman? llamas?
Agatha Macbeth: Or lamas
Eliza Madrigal: uninvited staring is pretty disturbing
Agatha Macbeth: STOP LOOKING AT ME!!!
Mickorod Renard: I think the goat thing was that there are special types of goats who pretend to be dead when stared at
Agatha Macbeth: Oh right
Agatha Macbeth: Makes sense
Eliza Madrigal: maybe not the best candidates for this experiment then :)
Mickorod Renard: he he
Agatha Macbeth: The dead goat test
Mickorod Renard: the hug experiement?
Mickorod Renard: we must bring along a goat bot
Eliza Madrigal: or staring experiment. I'm curious to see how this might be a session
Eliza Madrigal: haha, ask Riddle
Eliza Madrigal: he could probably program it to fall dead too
Mickorod Renard: we could blend it into Monday and then Thursday
Agatha Macbeth: The bot king
Eliza Madrigal: :) well, I'm game to play
Agatha Macbeth: If it was a goat would it be a butt bot?
Mickorod Renard: ok, will ask Riddle
Mickorod Renard: he he
Mickorod Renard: ok, I must go
Eliza Madrigal: was kidding, but anyway, fun to try things
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Night friends
Mickorod Renard: oooh, lightening outside
Mickorod Renard: byeeeeee
Mickorod Renard: thanks
Eliza Madrigal: nice
Tura Brezoianu: goodnight all
Agatha Macbeth: Actually butt bot conjures up other images, but we won't go there
Eliza Madrigal: Night Tura
Eliza Madrigal: Night Mick
Agatha Macbeth: Bysie bye all
Eliza Madrigal: Night Aggers
Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
Agatha Macbeth: ♥