The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza. The comments are by Agatha.

Aphrodite Macbain's current display-name is "Aph".
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aph :)
Eliza Madrigal: I'm glad you found your way here in spite of my sending weird notices. :D
Aphrodite Macbain: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: It is a recurring date in my calendar.:)
Eliza Madrigal: juggling a few too many pins today
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, good :))
Agatha Macbeth: Greetings x
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :) Lady of dignity
Aphrodite Macbain: Hellow elegant Aggers
Agatha Macbeth: Lady of something
Eliza Madrigal: I claimed the log first Agatha, by habit. Hopefully it will arrive safely to your email anyway!
Agatha Macbeth: Lady of the night maybe
Agatha Macbeth: Oh happy b'day BTW Aph
Eliza Madrigal: Aph?
Eliza Madrigal: Happy Birthday!
Agatha Macbeth: For Monday
Eliza Madrigal: So there are a few PaBers all around this time then?
Bleu Oleander's current display-name is "Bleu".
Agatha Macbeth: Only 2 I know of :p
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Agatha Macbeth: Bleuji :)
Eliza Madrigal: San too
Aphrodite Macbain: thank you!
Agatha Macbeth: Oh of course
Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
Agatha Macbeth: Day before me
Agatha Macbeth: 3 then
Bleu Oleander: anyone want a Humbaba tshirt?
Eliza Madrigal: It is like that in August too, with Eden, Storm, and me... I think someone else also within the same weeks
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh yes pls
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, I would! Thanks Bleu
Aphrodite Macbain: yes please!
Agatha Macbeth: Thought Stormy was January?
Agatha Macbeth: Eos :))
Eliza Madrigal spies a little spider on a cushion yonder
Aphrodite Macbain: I'll put it on next week.
Aphrodite Macbain: Eos!!
Eliza Madrigal: Eos! Hello :))
Eos Amaterasu: Hello, Beings!
Aphrodite Macbain: GTSY
Bleu Oleander: hi Eos :)
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks Bleuji
Bleu Oleander: yw!
Eos Amaterasu: Thnx for shirt, Bleu
Bruce Mowbray's current display-name is "Bruce".
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks- it's very elegant for a monster
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm :) Bruce :)
Eliza Madrigal: wow Bruce, stay standing just a sedc
Aphrodite Macbain: the scottish Bruce hasarrived
Eliza Madrigal: sec*
Bruce Mowbray: Aye!
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Storm
--BELL--1.00
Aphrodite Macbain: are you a gladiator or a scot?
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Raffi :)
Agatha Macbeth: Brucie :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Raffi
Storm Nordwind: Hi!
Bleu Oleander: hi Raffi, Bruce, Storm
Aphrodite Macbain: Nice turn out today!
Raffila Millgrove: Hi everyone.
Eliza Madrigal: Very! Apologies to anyone I sent in the wrong direction with my odd notices :)
Aphrodite Macbain: not odd
Bleu Oleander: helpful reminders!
Agatha Macbeth: Odd notices?
Eos Amaterasu: I just see a shadow where Eliza is ising
Aphrodite Macbain: you have to render her
Bleu Oleander: Eliza has high 'commplexity' today
Eliza Madrigal: If you happen to see anyone wandering on the map, see if they seed a tp. The second notice sent everyone to the retreat center
Eos Amaterasu: I don't have a knife
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Tura
Agatha Macbeth: She likes to go undercover
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tura :)
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Tura Brezoianu: hi all
Eliza Madrigal: I don't feel complex...
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Tu
Bleu Oleander: hi Tura :)
Agatha Macbeth: What was odd about the notices?
Eliza Madrigal: Okay, well anyway, So happy everyone is here :) Shall we begin? And did everyone get to the reading?
Agatha Macbeth: In ancient sumerian or something?
Eliza Madrigal grins
Bleu Oleander: Gilgamesh quite the king!
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh now you look nice
Aphrodite Macbain: yes-
Eliza Madrigal: Xiri's dress was the complexity (is made from one of her paintings)
Bleu Oleander: I see you now :)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks
Agatha Macbeth: Ah cute
Eliza Madrigal: I must say, I enjoyed this reading a lot... very surprised by it
Bleu Oleander: beware those complex artists
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: surprised?
Aphrodite Macbain: me too
Eos Amaterasu: Had not read this in 50 years (Sumer vacation)
Agatha Macbeth: :P
Eliza Madrigal: I liked the way the tenderness of the potential friendship was described
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Eos Amaterasu: << kiss >>
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: the anticipated meeting
Santoshima Resident: 's current display-name is "San".
Aphrodite Macbain: Hey San
Eliza Madrigal: Hi San :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi San :)
Bleu Oleander: hi San :)
Santoshima Resident: hello everyone
Agatha Macbeth: Nice of you to drop in ;-)
Santoshima Resident: sorry, went to the retreat hut
Aphrodite Macbain: :)
Agatha Macbeth grins
Eliza Madrigal: Sorry about that, San!
Agatha Macbeth: Ah the oddness is now clarified...

Greetings and Oddness over, back to Gilgamesh

Eliza Madrigal: What were others' impressions from the text*
Aphrodite Macbain: I was interested in how biblical the text was
Aphrodite Macbain: how similar themes appeared
Aphrodite Macbain: like man being made of clay
Aphrodite Macbain: or the power of women to lead men astray
Aphrodite Macbain: :)
Agatha Macbeth: The Jews got a lot from Babylon during captivity
Aphrodite Macbain: shades of Sampson and Delila
Eliza Madrigal: the one god-made man, and then everyone else born
Bleu Oleander: yes
Eliza Madrigal: women as taming factor
Bruce Mowbray: I was sort of impressed by the "creator" (Anu) being female.
Aphrodite Macbain: taming and acting as intermediary
Aphrodite Macbain: Oh! Is Anu female?
Bruce Mowbray: Hesiod's Theogeny and the Greek laywrights had not yet had their say.
Eliza Madrigal: somehow I didn't catch that either
Bruce Mowbray: playwrights*
Agatha Macbeth: Think s/he was genderly ambiguous :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Where did it say she was female?
Bruce Mowbray: She is referred to as a she.
Bruce Mowbray: (I'll try to find it.)
Aphrodite Macbain: Eanna and Ishtar are female
Agatha Macbeth: I've seen Buddha as a woman too come to that
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, there it is. Thans Aph.
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks*
Bleu Oleander: "Aruru conceived within her what Anu commanded"
Aphrodite Macbain: k
Aphrodite Macbain: Aruru was female then I guess
Bleu Oleander: then she created Enkidu
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bruce Mowbray: Yep.
Aphrodite Macbain: I love Enkidu
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: He makes me think of John the Baptist
Eos Amaterasu: wonder if conceiving & knowledge are related
Aphrodite Macbain: heh - probably!
Eliza Madrigal: :)
--BELL--1.15
Eliza Madrigal: There is this interesting way of imagining all the villagers comparing the two, and then they have to sort of wrestle it out to become friends?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it's a sort of ritual, I think.
Aphrodite Macbain: providing that Enkidu acknowledged Gilgamesh's superiority
Bleu Oleander: but before that the dreams
Eos Amaterasu: They never say if Gilgamesh did assert his droit de seigneur
Eos Amaterasu: Speaking of power dynamics
Aphrodite Macbain: Interesting how that concept goes back that far. I thought it was just medieval
Eliza Madrigal: "right of the lord"
Eos Amaterasu: Theme of Marriage of Figaro
Aphrodite Macbain: right!
Eliza Madrigal: perhaps that is a missing piece
Bruce Mowbray: The "right" to sleep with the bride on her wedding night?
Aphrodite Macbain: I suppose it presupposes that the progeny might be that of the seignior!
Bleu Oleander: yep
Aphrodite Macbain: Just like animals and birds
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm surprised Enkidu was surprised
Bleu Oleander: well, he was new to the game
Eliza Madrigal: wild and instinctual
Eos Amaterasu: So Shamhat is priestess and "harlot" - what does that mean?
Storm Nordwind: He was even new to eating bread
Bleu Oleander: yes! and beer
Bruce Mowbray: a temple protitute?
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eos Amaterasu: And why did the animals ghost him after he made it with Shamhat?
Aphrodite Macbain: only way a woman could participate i the public realm
Eos Amaterasu: say more
Eliza Madrigal: yes, I thought that temple/prostitute, but in a way lost to our sensibilities
Tura Brezoianu: He became civilised, and no longer an animal.
Raffila Millgrove: the animals recognized that he was not one of them...
Eos Amaterasu: That was "normal" then: would we "normalize" it?
Bleu Oleander: he was now 'civilized'
Bruce Mowbray agrees with Raffi.
Aphrodite Macbain: otherwise they would be under the control of parent or husband
Bruce Mowbray als agrees with Bleu
Eos Amaterasu: Is temple-prostitute in any way part of our society today?
Bruce Mowbray: also*
Bruce Mowbray: hmmmm. Hiw s, eos?
Bruce Mowbray: Hw s?
Aphrodite Macbain: not in Western society I don't think
Eos Amaterasu: And what was Ishtar all about?
Aphrodite Macbain: She hasn't appeared yet
Bleu Oleander: goddess of Uruk
Aphrodite Macbain: in any particular role
Bleu Oleander: her temple
Raffila Millgrove: quite the reverse really because the nuns of various religions are always celebate.. and the bishops in other religions are married often.. or keep to strict code of no fornication.
Aphrodite Macbain: agreed
Eliza Madrigal: saint/harlot division common in our collective psychology
Bleu Oleander: 'celebate' has a new meaning in today's world
Raffila Millgrove: meant to write celibate.
Eos Amaterasu: Celibacy actually is directed passion
Aphrodite Macbain: Ishtar, I think, was the goddess of love and war
Eos Amaterasu: IN vaarious religious traditions
Eos Amaterasu: "Inanna[a] is an ancient Mesopotamian goddess associated with love, beauty, sex, desire, fertility, war, justice, and political power. She was originally worshipped in Sumer and was later worshipped by the Akkadians, Babylonians, and Assyrians under the name Ishtar"
Aphrodite Macbain: Innana
Santoshima Resident's current display-name is "San".
Agatha Macbeth: WB San
Eos Amaterasu: The incels just don't get it
Eos Amaterasu: (pardon the pun)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Aphrodite Macbain: incel?
Eos Amaterasu: These dudes who call themselves "involuntary celibates"
Eliza Madrigal: if you don't know, be thankful
Eos Amaterasu: incels
Agatha Macbeth: Incel inside
Aphrodite Macbain: oh right!
Aphrodite Macbain: the ones that shoot people
Aphrodite Macbain: (kidding)
Raffila Millgrove: in urban dictionary celebate is defined as furiously masturabating.
Eliza Madrigal: well, weirdly they sort of feel entitled to unwilling women too
Storm Nordwind: "often characterized by resentment, misanthropy, self-pity, self-loathing, misogyny, racism, a sense of entitlement to sex, and the endorsement of violence against sexually active people."
Bruce Mowbray: sp celibate*
Aphrodite Macbain: they are isolated and alone
Aphrodite Macbain: or feel alone
Aphrodite Macbain: and blame women
Storm Nordwind: natch
Eliza Madrigal nods
Aphrodite Macbain: :)
Eliza Madrigal: also maybe it is a way of male bonding?
Bruce Mowbray: for sure, Eliza.
Eos Amaterasu: Common resentment?
Raffila Millgrove: two different words, spellings and meanings. "celebate" and "celibate" never heard of the celebate before but it is popular to use it among college kids.
Aphrodite Macbain: commin enemy
Eos Amaterasu: Wikipedia says: " In its narrow sense, the term celibacy is applied only to those for whom the unmarried state is the result of a sacred vow, act of renunciation, or religious conviction."
Eliza Madrigal: I made only a few notes from the text this time, and they are: “Each was drawn by love to the other.” “He was yearning for one to know his heart, a friend.”
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmm. never heard of celebate before either.
Raffila Millgrove: well bleu is hipper than us naturally.
Aphrodite Macbain: ah so a deliberate state of being
Bruce Mowbray: Celibacy is usually considered a chosen path.
Bleu Oleander: smiles at Raffi
Eliza Madrigal: Bleu you mentioned dreams before, want to pick up on that again?
Bleu Oleander: yes ... I remember asking my mother to interpret my dreams
Eliza Madrigal: We do that here too :)
Eliza Madrigal: Did she give you good guidance, Bleu?
Bleu Oleander: yes :)
--BELL--1.15
Bleu Oleander: actually I thought so at the time ... looking back maybe not so much, but well intended :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: good for it to be a collaboration, but that's another biblical parallel I guess... that dreams are taken as relevant
Eos Amaterasu: LIke stories or epics
Aphrodite Macbain: LIke divination
Bleu Oleander: 'even while he was having his dreams, Shamhat was telling the dreams of Gilgamesh to Enkidu
Eliza Madrigal nods
Aphrodite Macbain: Checking out the entrails to see the future
Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps another Biblical parallel: G was considered "Shepherd of the People"
Aphrodite Macbain: yes!
Tura Brezoianu: And yet he bullied them all.
Aphrodite Macbain: More like a sheep dog
Bleu Oleander: part of his perceived role as king
Tura Brezoianu: and shepherds don't raise sheep for the sheep's benefit
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eos Amaterasu: "when you're famous they let you do anything"
Storm Nordwind: It was easy for him to do so. He was amazingly huge! Bear in mind his measurements in cubits, with 1 cubit = 18" (45cm)!
Bleu Oleander: LOL Eos
Aphrodite Macbain: It is interesting that Gilgamesh is 1/3 human and 2/3 divine. I suppose he's a bit like King Arthur. I wonder whether there was a king of Uruk who is a model for this 1/3rd.
Eos Amaterasu: Was wondering how that ration was arrived at? His mother was a god, his father _became_ a god
Aphrodite Macbain: Dont be so rational!
Eliza Madrigal: I guess the first god gets 2/3 of the pie
Storm Nordwind: droit de seigneur
Bruce Mowbray: This is all pre-Hellenic.
Aphrodite Macbain: wayyy earlier
Bleu Oleander: mesopotamian genetics
Aphrodite Macbain: :)
Eos Amaterasu: pie is irrational
Bruce Mowbray: The Greeks thought that the male parent gave all of the information for the child - and that the female was merely an incubator.
Tura Brezoianu: Maybe three parents, two gods and a mortal.
Bruce Mowbray: So this pre-dates the Greek mind.
Aphrodite Macbain: He is described like a god- omniscient, omnipotent
Eos Amaterasu: no nous is good nous
Aphrodite Macbain: groans
Agatha Macbeth: >.<
Eliza Madrigal: Hm, that's an interesting idea Tura, since there were two gods that created that first man
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, good point, Tura.
Aphrodite Macbain: Interesting that they used clay
Aphrodite Macbain: boring...
Aphrodite Macbain: :)
Eliza Madrigal: malleable :)
Eos Amaterasu: 3D printing
Aphrodite Macbain: from the clay-pit
Bruce Mowbray: another Biblical parallel.
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Eos Amaterasu: 1 square mile of Uruk is clay pit
Aphrodite Macbain: he is often called a 'charging wild bull"
Eos Amaterasu: parallel likely means common origin; like metaphor of shepherding is pretty universal
Aphrodite Macbain: so there is an element of animal in him
Eliza Madrigal: the energy of his wild cow mom
Bruce Mowbray: Pottery would be essential to domesticated living.
Bleu Oleander: Foster suggests maybe mathematical jokes intended for certain audience or simply exaggerations in epic style
Aphrodite Macbain: oh?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, the Sumerians would have made good Texans (esaggeration)
Bruce Mowbray: exaggeration*
Aphrodite Macbain: I notice they used images to illustrate the text - eg when they were describing Uruk.
Agatha Macbeth: Yeehaw
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Eos Amaterasu: Interesting discussion of mortality and of Uruk, and of the epic text in one of its corners, persisting
Bleu Oleander: the description of Uruk returns at the end of the epic
Aphrodite Macbain: is it the same?
Eos Amaterasu: The guy (Foster?) notes the epic is about itself
Aphrodite Macbain: ?
Eliza Madrigal listens
Eos Amaterasu: "search out the foundation box of copper"
Eos Amaterasu: "release its lock of bronze"
Eos Amaterasu: "Raise the lid on its hidden contents"
Eos Amaterasu: "Take up and read from the lapis tablet
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh! So the Epic is also the foundation box.
Aphrodite Macbain: whom is he talking to?
Eos Amaterasu: the listener is being addressed, I think
Eos Amaterasu: or reader
Bleu Oleander: Gilgamesh hid his story in the wall
Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder wether there was a particular intended reader
Eos Amaterasu: the citizenry?
Aphrodite Macbain: why did he hide it?
Bleu Oleander: future Urukians
Aphrodite Macbain: then
Eos Amaterasu: so it could be found :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: :)
Eos Amaterasu: like "terma"
Eliza Madrigal: a kind of immortality
Bleu Oleander: yes!
Eos Amaterasu: hidden teachints
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Bleu Oleander: the only immortality he got
Aphrodite Macbain: It worked
Bleu Oleander: yep
Eos Amaterasu: (hmm, coined a new word: teachints: teaching hints)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I like it
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eos Amaterasu: Through archeological luck
--BELL--1.30
Eliza Madrigal: So we've talked about the point up until Gilgamesh and Enkidu wrestle and become friends, but then Gilgamesh starts feeling invincible I guess? With the plan to take on Humbaba? I really liked the way that part was written.
Aphrodite Macbain: Amazing building. Google the Ishtar Gate
Eos Amaterasu: Needed good wood
Agatha Macbeth: Probably cedar
Bleu Oleander: it was part of a king's job to go get the cedar wood to build with
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Aphrodite Macbain: Enkidu was the first conservationist
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: the first tree-hugger
Bruce Mowbray: https://www.ancient.eu/Ishtar_Gate/
Aphrodite Macbain: thanks Bruce
Eos Amaterasu: I'd like to go back to Enkidu losing his animal-bro nature... what does that mean to you?
Aphrodite Macbain: the importance of civilizing and becoming a citizen?
Bleu Oleander: and how one gets civilized
Bruce Mowbray: growing up?
Eos Amaterasu: Some kind of split happens
Eos Amaterasu: But why get shunned?
Aphrodite Macbain: Perhaps it also refers to the dual nature of humans
Aphrodite Macbain: reason/passion
Eliza Madrigal: I'm sure there is a larger meaning, but to me it is the relationship between the two, meeting each other. I think it was in the youtube talk, about each becoming
Raffila Millgrove: like Tarzan. the brining up in the wilds.. adding an element of wildness and strength/survival of fit etc.
Aphrodite Macbain: civilized/wild
Eliza Madrigal: heaven/earth
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Eliza Madrigal: seems a recurring theme
Aphrodite Macbain: all the way to the 21st century!
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Humans have "dominion" over the beasts.
Bleu Oleander: earthly vs god-like
Eliza Madrigal: and also how they aren't always what they seem
Eos Amaterasu: but Enkidu seemed to have it all over the beasts already
Tura Brezoianu: We stand above them as the gods stand above us.
Eliza Madrigal: Enkidu's value system seemed more civilized really
Aphrodite Macbain: humans need emotional intelligence to control their passions
Bleu Oleander: Enkidu didn't know what he was missing :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes- interesting that Eliza
Eos Amaterasu: Gilgamesh had emo intel?
Aphrodite Macbain: no
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: but the drive to control one's passions was symbolized, no?
Bruce Mowbray ponders ethics in a culture barely out of the stone age.
Bleu Oleander: Enkidu seemed more civilized than Gilgamesh
Eliza Madrigal: Enkidu has some sense of reverence for the 'glories' of Humbaba, while to Gilgamesh it was a challenge to conquer
Eos Amaterasu: Gil was out of control
Aphrodite Macbain: In our terms
Aphrodite Macbain: they were supposed to balance each other
Aphrodite Macbain: that's why Enkidu was created
Eliza Madrigal: yet that control/conquering is often thought of as civilization...in our time too
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Eos Amaterasu: Did Gil/Enki close friendship help civilize?
Raffila Millgrove: yes but the bullying was also seen as undesireable as in our times as well.
Bleu Oleander: Enkidu was created to stop Gilgamesh from abusing his people
Bruce Mowbray: So, was it love for Endiku that civilized Gil, or was it something else?
Aphrodite Macbain: It made for a safer place to live Eos
Eliza Madrigal: like an offering?
Bleu Oleander: interesting question Bruce
Eos Amaterasu: Was Gil actually civilized? Did he change his behaviour?
Aphrodite Macbain: good question Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: quite a question Bruce
Tura Brezoianu: G went off on all these quests
Eos Amaterasu: Gil still went after Humbaba
Eos Amaterasu: in spite of warnings
Aphrodite Macbain: he was brave but not necessarily wise
Bleu Oleander: a good question to keep in mind as we go through the story
Tura Brezoianu: Then in the end he returned and settled down in his middle age.
Aphrodite Macbain: nothing has changed...
Bruce Mowbray: (spoiler alert, Tura!)
Bleu Oleander: in many ways that's true
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Storm Nordwind: Seeing someone so like himself in many ways probably let G feel as though at least some of his behavior was validated
Bleu Oleander: I see lots of Gilgameshes and Enkidus running around today
Eliza Madrigal: "He was yearning for one to know his heart, a friend"
Eliza Madrigal: all that bullying doesn't feel as tender as this description of yearning
Aphrodite Macbain: Sounds like David and Jonothan
Bleu Oleander: :)
Bleu Oleander: yes
Tura Brezoianu: It's always lonely at the top
Eliza Madrigal: "he's just insecure"
Eos Amaterasu: Is the loneliness also in the space of mortality?
Bruce Mowbray: David and Jonathon - another Biblical parallel.
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, that gets to the heart, too
Aphrodite Macbain: just good friends
Eliza Madrigal: the quest for immortality is to be seen/known
Bleu Oleander: thinking about Eos' question ...
Bleu Oleander: where is the 'space of mortality?'
Eos Amaterasu: All around us, so fragile
Bleu Oleander: yes we're all there?
Eos Amaterasu: Even the walls of Uruk crumble
Aphrodite Macbain: staying alive staying alive
Eliza Madrigal smiles
--BELL--1.45
Eos Amaterasu: The song outlives the subject
Aphrodite Macbain: They stayed up for an awfully long time
Eliza Madrigal: This is all turning out to be way juicier than I thought :)
Bleu Oleander: in what sense is loneliness linked with mortality ... we all die alone?
Bleu Oleander: its a very juicy story!
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks everyone.
Aphrodite Macbain: I am not sure what you are getting at Eoas
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Bruce :)
Bruce Mowbray: Good to see so many here today.
Agatha Macbeth: Scrape well Brucie
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, everyone.
Bleu Oleander: bye Bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: Maybe u can use your sword
Bruce Mowbray: Ha ha.
Agatha Macbeth: Get the point
Aphrodite Macbain: ouch
Aphrodite Macbain: Which tables will we read next week Eliza?
Aphrodite Macbain: 3&4?
Eliza Madrigal: November 8th, 1pm SLT Session 3: Tablet III Elders give advice to Gilgamesh and enlist Enkidu to protect him Tablet IV Gilgamesh and Enkidu journey; dreams of future
Aphrodite Macbain: Ah there are Elders...
Eliza Madrigal: and more dreams
Aphrodite Macbain: cool
Eliza Madrigal admires Aph's outfit
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks everyone. Thanks Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Aph, see you next week
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Aphie
Eos Amaterasu: Ciao Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: see u next week
Raffila Millgrove: it was good to see you all.
Santoshima Resident: bye
Eliza Madrigal: We have such beautiful questions to muse with
Bleu Oleander: I won't be able to come next week, but look forward to reading the log
Eliza Madrigal: bye Raffi :)
Eliza Madrigal: Will miss you Bleu, hope you're doing something fun
Raffila Millgrove: bye all. ty Eliza.
Eos Amaterasu: Good to drop in
Bleu Oleander: take care all :)
Agatha Macbeth waves
Eliza Madrigal: So nice to see you Eos
Bleu Oleander: will report on fun event the following time :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Bleu Oleander: bfn
Storm Nordwind waves
Eliza Madrigal: Night Tura, too
Agatha Macbeth: TTFN
Tura Brezoianu: bye all, till next time
Santoshima Resident: so long ~
Eliza Madrigal waves to San
Agatha Macbeth: TC Sanji
Eliza Madrigal: >whew< nice session!
Agatha Macbeth: A full one certainly
Eos Amaterasu: Yes... stirring up 4000 year old questions
Agatha Macbeth: Some things take time
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Eos Amaterasu: My brother had a cat named Enki
Agatha Macbeth: ^.^
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, I love that idea
Eos Amaterasu: And my kids went to pre-school & elementary with an "Enki" curriculum
Agatha Macbeth: Makes a change from Tiddles anyway
Eos Amaterasu: blend of Montessori & Waldorf & buddhism & Enkidu
Eliza Madrigal: how fortunate
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like a salad
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eos Amaterasu: ha ha
Eliza Madrigal: how would you describe that outlook when you put it all together?
Eos Amaterasu: I think Waldorf was really the main theme - emphasis on rhythm, natural things, motion, embodiment, song, ....
Eos Amaterasu: knitting
Eliza Madrigal: sounds beautiful.... why don't more aspire to that kind of cultivation I wonder
Eos Amaterasu: how to connect to natural qualities of things, in this civilized world
Agatha Macbeth: Too busy making profits
Eos Amaterasu: Seems more and more to me that our minds and hearts require the natural world
Eliza Madrigal: energetic Storm :)
Eos Amaterasu: Going to space will be a good test of that
Eliza Madrigal: going to space requires lots of profits
Storm Nordwind: I need the energy Eliza. Time to return to nanowrimo now!
Eliza Madrigal: yay :D
Eos Amaterasu: Omg yes
Eos Amaterasu: Good luck with that!
Agatha Macbeth: Write well dear Stormy
Storm Nordwind: Eliza is already streets ahead
Eliza Madrigal: Well, a first day burst
Agatha Macbeth: She usually is
Eliza Madrigal: ^.^
Storm Nordwind: An example to us all, every time :)
Eliza Madrigal: just words... not measure of quality yet
Eos Amaterasu: I'll be sure to read your eBooks Dec 1!
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Eliza Madrigal: uh huh, not :)
Agatha Macbeth: 'It's only words'
Eliza Madrigal: Hugs all around, and thanks. Appreciate everyone being here :)
Storm Nordwind: Bye!
Eos Amaterasu: Ciao ciao, luv all!
Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
Agatha Macbeth: Tatty bye
Agatha Macbeth: ♥

Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Agatha <3 You were quiet today
Agatha Macbeth: You still have only one shoe
Eliza Madrigal: I'm thinking of Yaku, trying to channel him back
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: Hope he's doing OK
Eliza Madrigal: me too... baby is probably in school by now :)
--BELL--2.00
Agatha Macbeth: Can't think how long it's been
Eliza Madrigal: Okay, am off
Eliza Madrigal: see you soon ((( )))
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now