The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza. The comments are by Agatha.

Aphrodite Macbain's current display-name is "Aph".
--BELL--0.45
Eliza Madrigal waves :)
Eliza Madrigal: Such a friendly wave, Hi Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm enjoying these discussions
Eliza Madrigal: They've been grat
Eliza Madrigal: great*
Aphrodite Macbain: They're bringing back to me stuff I learned over 45 years ago
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Aggers
Eliza Madrigal: feel like everyone is keeping up with the readings, interested, so it makes the time we're here lively
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ello
Aphrodite Macbain: yes!
Eliza Madrigal: growl :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hope you're better Liz
Aphrodite Macbain: I am still looking forward to what Bleu can tell us about the conference
Eliza Madrigal: struggling a bit... may step away from the computer when necessary
Eliza Madrigal: thanks
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, me too! I hope she makes it today
Aphrodite Macbain: Oh dear. Are you sick?
Eliza Madrigal: vertigo
Aphrodite Macbain: why does this happen to you?
Agatha Macbeth: Vertiliz
Eliza Madrigal: I haven't followed up with the reg doc. to see what is going on
Aphrodite Macbain: Lizivert
Eliza Madrigal: just know it isn't ears
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Ears would be the obvious yes
Aphrodite Macbain: Perhaps an infection?
Eliza Madrigal shrugs unhappily
Eliza Madrigal: I've wanted to rest rather than run around to doctors :)
Agatha Macbeth hugs you
Agatha Macbeth: Good idea
Eliza Madrigal: they don't think so
Eliza Madrigal: ;-)
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- can you do that?
Eliza Madrigal: SL is... challenging though :(
Aphrodite Macbain: Oh dear.
Agatha Macbeth: RL is probably worse
Aphrodite Macbain: It should be fun
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks... am sure it will pass, just impatient
Agatha Macbeth: How's your blood pressure any idea?
Bleu Oleander's current display-name is "Bleu".
Eliza Madrigal: hm, that was fine

Yale

Bleu Oleander: hi all
Agatha Macbeth nods
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu!
Agatha Macbeth: Bleuji :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Bleu!
Agatha Macbeth: WB
Eliza Madrigal: We were just hoping you'd make it today Bleu
Bleu Oleander: happy thanksgiving to those celebrating
Eliza Madrigal: Happy Thanksgiving :)
Aphrodite Macbain: We're curious about the NYC conference
Agatha Macbeth: Son's birthday too :)
Bleu Oleander: can stay for a bit, but going for turkey soon :)
Eliza Madrigal: aw, Happy Birthday to son :)
Agatha Macbeth: Gobble gobble
Eliza Madrigal: nice :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Happy Thanksgiving!
Agatha Macbeth: TY ♥
Bleu Oleander: we took our group to NYC
Bleu Oleander: and did a day trip to Yale
Aphrodite Macbain: Lucky group
Aphrodite Macbain: what was in Yale?
Bleu Oleander: where we met Benjamin Foster
Agatha Macbeth: Hope the locks worked (this joke fell flat)
Aphrodite Macbain: ah he spoke there?
Bleu Oleander: and toured their mesopotamian collection
Bleu Oleander: he met with us
Agatha Macbeth: Woot
Bleu Oleander: had a great conversation with him
Bruce Mowbray's current display-name is "Bruce".
Agatha Macbeth: Brucie :)
Eliza Madrigal: that's wonderful, so he is as personable as in his talks?
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :)
Bleu Oleander: yes, maybe more so
Bleu Oleander: hi Bruce
Bleu Oleander: our members had many questions and we had a lively conversation
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Bleu, aggers, Eliza, and Aph.
Bleu Oleander: he has a new version of his translation coming out soon
Eliza Madrigal: had you been discussing Gil in your group before?
Bleu Oleander: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Bruce
Eliza Madrigal is curious as to their questions
Bleu Oleander: and they all had read it
Bruce Mowbray listens intently.
Aphrodite Macbain: Have there been new text to translate since his first one?
Bleu Oleander: many questions regarding translation process, finding of new tablets, etc.
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: he read us some of the new text
Bruce Mowbray: Wow.
Bleu Oleander: and their collection is great
Aphrodite Macbain: The new text is published now?
Bleu Oleander: I think I sent you a pic I took of a gilgamesh tablet
Aphrodite Macbain: Babylonian collection
Bleu Oleander: published soon
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bruce Mowbray: How many tablets have been discovered so far -- 22?
Aphrodite Macbain: It will be interesting to see what's new
Eliza Madrigal: yes, Bruce shared that pic with the group
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, we got the picture, Bleu. Thanks.
--BELL--1.00
Bleu Oleander: 200 new lines
Bleu Oleander: Yale has over 42,000 tablets
Bruce Mowbray: Whoa!
Bleu Oleander: a lot not translated yet
Aphrodite Macbain: omg
Eliza Madrigal: 42000@@
Bleu Oleander: but probably not more gilgamesh
Bleu Oleander: british museum has over 200,000 tablets
Bruce Mowbray: So, I'm wondering how Yale would even know they were from the Gil epic... I mean, if they had not been translated yet.
Aphrodite Macbain: nEW EXCAVATIONS PRODUCED MORE MATERIAL?
Aphrodite Macbain: sorry
Aphrodite Macbain: good question Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tura, I'll send you a notecard, one moment :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Tura.
Bleu Oleander: they look for key words in the tablets that might indicate part of the story
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh. For sure.
Aphrodite Macbain: Tries to imagine scanning cuneiform
Tura Brezoianu: hi all
Bleu Oleander: not easy!
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Tura!
Bleu Oleander: hi Tura :)
Agatha Macbeth: Tura lura :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I suppose once you've looked at hundreds, certain shapes pop out at you
Tura Brezoianu: Moment, relogging. Suddenly getting about 1 fps
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Aphrodite Macbain: HB Tura
Bleu Oleander: after yale we spent time with a dinosaur hunter :) going back a little further in time
Bruce Mowbray: Yep, Second Life is slow today....
Eliza Madrigal: :) the hunter who wrote the new book a year or so ago?
Agatha Macbeth: A...dinosaur hunter?
Aphrodite Macbain: wow - that was a big step backwards
Agatha Macbeth: Much business? :p
Bleu Oleander: we also met with a medieval historian on 'hell'
Eliza Madrigal: interesting job :)
Agatha Macbeth: Also interesting
Bruce Mowbray: Eclectic !
Aphrodite Macbain: hell was a fascinating place during medieval years
Agatha Macbeth: WB Tu
Bleu Oleander: and ... saw a live performance of waiting for godot at lincoln center
Eliza Madrigal: Eos has a sister who is a demonologist :)
Eliza Madrigal: wb Tura
Agatha Macbeth: Good for her
Bleu Oleander: anyway, great trip
Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder what she does
Agatha Macbeth: Who'd be an accountant eh
Tura Brezoianu listens for more about Eos's demonologist sister :)
Aphrodite Macbain: So was there a focus to the Gilgamesh discussion Bleu?
Eliza Madrigal: that's all I know :) but if one can be a hell historian, why not :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hell yeh
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Bruce Mowbray: !!
Eliza Madrigal: I'm totally fascinated by the idea that dinosaurs are being discovered weekly, maybe daily, now
Bleu Oleander: not so much a focus, kinda all things gilgamesh
Aphrodite Macbain: kk
Agatha Macbeth: Wonderful

Dinos

Bleu Oleander: new species of dinosaur on average every week
Bruce Mowbray: That's amazing I had no idea.
Bleu Oleander: we saw the largest one ever found
Eliza Madrigal: what a time to be a kid if you have an up to date parent :)
Agatha Macbeth: And people thought they were a hoax...
Aphrodite Macbain: really?
Agatha Macbeth: In the beginning yes
Agatha Macbeth: A lesson to be learned
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Bleu Oleander: dinosaurs had feathers ... all birds today are dinosaurs
Bruce Mowbray ponders the "Cardiff Giant" hoax.
Eliza Madrigal: a hoax like the narwhal, or platypus (like we talked about in dream session)
Agatha Macbeth: The archeopteryx was cute
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eliza Madrigal: fun to say, too
Agatha Macbeth: Had teeth
Aphrodite Macbain: was it an archetype?
Bruce Mowbray: Enormous, too.
Bruce Mowbray: VERY big wingspan.
Eliza Madrigal: what a world :)
Agatha Macbeth: Feathered lizards makes me think of Quetzlcoatl
Bleu Oleander: so the dinosaurs never went extinct ... just got smaller :)
Aphrodite Macbain: It probably had to have in order for the huge body to be airborn
Agatha Macbeth: And the horse did the opposite
Bruce Mowbray: Hollow bones....
Aphrodite Macbain: got bigger
Tura Brezoianu: Your pet budgie is a dinosaur
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: What defines a dinasaur?
Eliza Madrigal: would make for a cute book... budgie the dinosaur
Bruce Mowbray: Reptiles, for one thing.
Bleu Oleander: that's a complicated question Aph
Bleu Oleander: still being discussed
Aphrodite Macbain: probably a complicated answer too :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, complications
Bleu Oleander: look up dinosaur taxonomy
Bruce Mowbray: Were there any warm-blooded dinos?
Bruce Mowbray: Birds are warm-blooded....
Bruce Mowbray: of course.
Agatha Macbeth: The irony for me is our ancestors lived under their feet unnoticed
Bleu Oleander: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur_classification
Aphrodite Macbain: tx Bleu
Bleu Oleander: our ancestors were pretty small
Eliza Madrigal: so maybe our problems aren't the biggest ever :P
Aphrodite Macbain: under the flying ones...
Agatha Macbeth: Small probablyensured our survival
Tura Brezoianu: Back when a dinosaur was a proper DINOSAUR, I think there's been some disagreement about whether tey were warm-blooded.
Bleu Oleander: great new book, the rise and fall of the dinosaurs
Agatha Macbeth: "I remember t'days when dinosaurs were real dinosaurs our Albert"
Aphrodite Macbain: Thank god for Linnaeus

And so back to G & E

Bleu Oleander: so back to our reading of G ... Enkidu goes to the underworld in his dream ... one of the first descriptions of the underworld/afterlife
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes
Bleu Oleander: the house of dust
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, powerful dream.
Eliza Madrigal: Enkidu, first underworld historian
Bleu Oleander: yes!
Aphrodite Macbain: It would be interesting to compare his story with that of Orpheus
Agatha Macbeth: I'd almost forgotten Gil
Aphrodite Macbain: Death and rebirth sort of myth
Bleu Oleander: we met with the author of the Penguin book of Hell ... also a very interesting book
Bruce Mowbray remembers that Gil had dreamed earlier an that E interpreted them.
--BELL--1.15
Bruce Mowbray: and*
Tura Brezoianu: G and Orpheus both lose the prize at the last moment.
Aphrodite Macbain: grins-
Aphrodite Macbain: tries to imagine a penguin reading about hell
Bruce Mowbray: Orpheus pretty much loses everything.
Bruce Mowbray: (gets torn apart)
Aphrodite Macbain: including Euridice
Tura Brezoianu: We all do, in the end.
Bertram Jacobus: hi friends - i hope, i don´t disturb ...
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bertram, of course not :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Bertram!
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you
Bruce Mowbray: Bertie!
Bruce Mowbray: GREAT to see you again!
Tura Brezoianu: hi Bertram
Bruce Mowbray:
Bleu Oleander: https://www.amazon.com/Penguin-Book-.../dp/0143131621
Bleu Oleander: hi Bertram
Eliza Madrigal: we've talked about everything from hell to dinosaurs, and now we're chatting about Gilgamesh
Aphrodite Macbain notices Bertram's new hair do
Agatha Macbeth: Berti :))
Eliza Madrigal: although I wouldn't be surprised if dinos are in Gil somewhere
Bertram Jacobus: ehm - i´m not so sure about the habits - when a bell says shhhh here ? ;-)
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps in the forms of snakes and scorpions and birds
Bleu Oleander: dino way older than Gil
Agatha Macbeth: The bell finished ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: great
Eliza Madrigal: yes, we don't know what the snakes being written look like
Agatha Macbeth: Snakes being written?
Santoshima Resident's current display-name is "San".
Eliza Madrigal: Wol added the 'shhh' a while back, Bert :) I hope you hear it softly
Aphrodite Macbain: They're prob represented in some cylinder seals
Bertram Jacobus: and may be i can´t attend for a long time, but felt it would be nice to take a look in here again ... hope that is ok
Bleu Oleander: hi San :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi San
Eliza Madrigal: Hi San :)
Agatha Macbeth: We're glad to see you :)
Bleu Oleander: we saw many cylinder seals
Bruce Mowbray: Better than 'OK' Bert.
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Sanji
Bertram Jacobus: ty and hello all again and san :-)
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, San.
Santoshima Resident: hello :)
Bertram Jacobus: ty - so friendly ... as always ... so nice ... :-)
Eliza Madrigal: I thought, for all the passion and warmth in their friendship, Gil handles the news about Enkidu being chosen to die, a bit too well
Aphrodite Macbain: ha ha
Bruce Mowbray: He pulls out his hair.....!
Bleu Oleander: lol
Eliza Madrigal: "That's okay man, I'll make you a statue"
Aphrodite Macbain: he promises to do many things
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: all that lapis and gold!
Tura Brezoianu: "And I'll howl like a professional mourner"
Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder where their lapis and gold came from. Afghanistan?
Eliza Madrigal: well that's true... and I thought professional mourners were a new thing
Bruce Mowbray: I felt like I could feel Gil's grief.
Eliza Madrigal: yes Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: Really.
Aphrodite Macbain: He did loose his best friend
Bleu Oleander: once he dies tho G falls apart and becomes a wild man
Aphrodite Macbain: like Enkidu!
Bleu Oleander: yes :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes... so was he just putting on a brave face to help Enkidu feel okay
Aphrodite Macbain: I like the way his death was described
Aphrodite Macbain: In stages
Tura Brezoianu: The book has a B&W picture of a lapis bowl and whetstone, and I wondered what they actually looked like. Searching for "lapis whetstone" brought up the actual object pictured. And the bowl, they're in Penn Museum.

                   
Bruce Mowbray: It took E 13 days to die.....
Aphrodite Macbain: I was tryong to google sme images but couldn't find one
Bleu Oleander: perhaps reality had not sunk in yet
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: oh! thanks Tura
Eliza Madrigal: wow big difference from the black and white image
Bleu Oleander: lapis is a beautiful stone
Bruce Mowbray: Beautiful!
Bleu Oleander: carnelian too
Eliza Madrigal: excuse me just a moment, will read back when returning
Agatha Macbeth: Hugs*
Aphrodite Macbain: I think it was mined in Afghanistan and traded
Aphrodite Macbain: wonder where the gold mines were
Bruce Mowbray: I felt that E's death was an important part of G's becoming more human/civilized.
Aphrodite Macbain: How so Bruce?
Bleu Oleander: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapis_lazuli
Aphrodite Macbain: wow thanks Tura!
Bruce Mowbray: Well, I couldn't imagine his being capable of grief in the earlier parts.
Aphrodite Macbain: Nods
Bleu Oleander: agree Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: He was too preoccupied with satisfying his lusts.
Aphrodite Macbain: all that flowing....
Agatha Macbeth: He got his priorities right ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: So there is transition. . .
Bleu Oleander: it brought death close to home
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Aphrodite Macbain: and mortality perhaps
Bruce Mowbray nods again.
Bertram Jacobus: i do more listen because i´m not so much in that topic and appreciate it ...
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: The concept of the underworld, filled with dust... eating and breathing dust - I found very well described.
Bertram Jacobus: may be i can learn something ...
Bleu Oleander: you should read Gilgamesh
Aphrodite Macbain: dust in their mouths and eyes
Bleu Oleander: amazing story, the first known story
Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder whether the Egyptians had similar stories
--BELL--1.30
Bertram Jacobus: may be it´s easier for me to get to know here a bit, but ty bleu
Bleu Oleander: nothing like an epic story Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: :)
Eliza Madrigal reads back
Agatha Macbeth: Sex and violence
Eliza Madrigal thinks of all the newly discovered sarcophagus with beetles and cats
Eliza Madrigal: Nice points regarding a change of character, Bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder whether the story was intended to be a morality tale....Dont destroy cedar forests or the gods will get you....
Bleu Oleander: sorry to leave, but turkey dinner is calling me :)
Agatha Macbeth: Written by an ecologist maybe :p
Aphrodite Macbain: gobble gobble
Eliza Madrigal: bye Bleu, have a nice Thanksgiving
Agatha Macbeth: Happy turkey Bleuji
Aphrodite Macbain: bye Bleu
Bleu Oleander: bye all take care
Tura Brezoianu: Or, you can do what you like but you'll pay for it.
Eliza Madrigal: hm, me too Aph... something along the lines of, do as you will, but be ready to pay the price
Bruce Mowbray: Bye Bleu. Happy Thanksgiving.
Bleu Oleander: happy turkey
Tura Brezoianu: bye Bleu
Aphrodite Macbain: nods at Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: :) Snap, Tura
Agatha Macbeth: WB San
Aphrodite Macbain: wb San
Eliza Madrigal: Were you surprised to find hierarchies the same in the underworld?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: seems we need to create structures, hierarchies to make sense of things
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: and there was a scribe
Aphrodite Macbain: to give priorities and values
Aphrodite Macbain: there were many scribes!!
Aphrodite Macbain: all those tablets!
Eliza Madrigal: underworld records
Aphrodite Macbain: :)
Tura Brezoianu: Every society was hierarchical in those days. When that's all you know, that's all you imagine.
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Agatha Macbeth: True that Tu
Eliza Madrigal: mhm
Eliza Madrigal: if not levels then layers
Eliza Madrigal: or rings
Aphrodite Macbain: I suppose it is/was the only way to manage a civilized society
Aphrodite Macbain: and the economy
Aphrodite Macbain: "where do I fit?"
Bertram Jacobus: and as i had foreseen that : have to leave already again - sry and thanks for the warm welcome . may all beings be happy ! ...
Eliza Madrigal: :) Nice to see you Bert
Tura Brezoianu: bye Bertram, gtsy
Eliza Madrigal: glad you stopped for a while
Bruce Mowbray: amaste, Bert!
Bruce Mowbray: Namaste.
Bruce Mowbray: _/|\_
Agatha Macbeth: Good to see you at PaB again :)
Bruce Mowbray: Come back when you can, Bertram.
Bertram Jacobus: ty again all ! :-)) - hope that can happen now and then again - byeee :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: waves
Bruce Mowbray: Byeee for now.
Eliza Madrigal: through most of time there was no chance to question where one's lot was, I suppose, since not much chance to change from station... outside of maybe, warriorship?
Agatha Macbeth: Schlaf gut
Aphrodite Macbain: A society where everyone is equal is still a Utopian dream.
Eliza Madrigal: where treated equally, nods
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Aphrodite Macbain: It's a theory however. The challenge is to make it happen
Eliza Madrigal: I think a lot of people like the sense of order you mention
Aphrodite Macbain: hard to do when nationalism and power structures run our lives
Eliza Madrigal: and like Tura says, can't imagine otherwise
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Bruce Mowbray: Most, if not all, herding animals live in hierarchies.
Aphrodite Macbain: wish we could at least imagine what it could look like
Eliza Madrigal: SL has had a few experiments
Eliza Madrigal: but even with 'leaderless' PaB we often wanted structure :)
Aphrodite Macbain: HArari suggests this as a solution to most of the world's problems
Tura Brezoianu: Until we have universal robots, who will grow the crops and mine the metals? And when we do, what will people do then?
Aphrodite Macbain: nods, we need to enclose and put borders around things we value
Bruce Mowbray ponders Jordan Peterson's thoughts on hierarchies, lobsters, evolution of status, etc.
Aphrodite Macbain: they'll find something Tura
Aphrodite Macbain: I'll let you know :)
Eliza Madrigal: I'm looking forward to reading Harari's book now... although, I think his solutions require everyone to meditate 2 hrs a day like he does :)
Aphrodite Macbain: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes- he is a but utopian
Bruce Mowbray: I've just finished 21 Lessons for the 21st Century.
Aphrodite Macbain: but he offers a solution
Agatha Macbeth ponders a Utopian butt
Bruce Mowbray: wb, San.
Aphrodite Macbain: that's the one I'm referring to Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: WB again San
Eliza Madrigal laughs at Agatha, trying not to
Eliza Madrigal: ^.^
Agatha Macbeth looks all innocent

Tech issues

Santoshima Resident: is anyone else having a difficult time at this location. graphically something is so high in a glow factor that my computer is locking up
Aphrodite Macbain: but=bit :)
Santoshima Resident: to the left side
Santoshima Resident: have to go as a result
Bruce Mowbray: I had the same problem, San.
Agatha Macbeth: Tura was laggy when she arrived
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm OK for now...
--BELL--1.45
Santoshima Resident: the area needs a restart possibly
Eliza Madrigal: I didn't have issues today
Santoshima Resident: whoever can do that please o it?
Santoshima Resident: thanks, bye
Bruce Mowbray: Terribly laggy at first -- had to TP to another sim and then return here in order to make it work.
Agatha Macbeth: TC
Aphrodite Macbain: Who can do a restart here?
Eliza Madrigal: I think Stevie... it is something to bring up in the WG
Agatha Macbeth: That's usually caused by particles rezzing or something
Eliza Madrigal: San is a member of that...
Tura Brezoianu: After I relogged it was ok for me.
Agatha Macbeth: Couldn't be the fountain could it?
Bruce Mowbray: I think only SL uppity ups can do a restart, but I might be wrong.
Aphrodite Macbain: I had no problem. Unusual for me :)
Eliza Madrigal: It does need to happen once in a while
Agatha Macbeth: The sim owner can too
Eliza Madrigal: we can request it
Bruce Mowbray: OK.
Aphrodite Macbain: Whoever manages the sim can
Agatha Macbeth: Owner/manager right
Agatha Macbeth: (Not even sure who that is)
Aphrodite Macbain: I guess that is Stevenaia
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Tura Brezoianu: This is mainland though, I would think that only LL can restart a mainland region.
Aphrodite Macbain: So do you think this is a morality tale? We do keep looking for meaning in this epic.

Back to Gilgamesh

Eliza Madrigal: I feel I need to reread tablet VIII again, to feel the grief Gil feels... I feel a little dense for not connecting more with that
Bruce Mowbray ponders "morality tale."
Aphrodite Macbain: not dense
Agatha Macbeth: You certainly ain't dense Liz
Aphrodite Macbain: there is little text to go on Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I thought he over compensated
Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder whether the rest of Uruk mourned along with him
Tura Brezoianu: The moral I take from it is "Death is bad, it's the worst, but there's no escape. But meanwhile, we have civilisation! Three and a half square miles is the measure of Uruk!"
Eliza Madrigal: ways of grieving are very different among cultures... for some the crying and production is very important, and to lead the masses in doing so
Eliza Madrigal: ha ha Tura
Aphrodite Macbain: Noce Tura
Eliza Madrigal: U S A  U S A
Eliza Madrigal rolls eyes
Aphrodite Macbain: I was interested to learn they paid mourners back then the way they do in other Mediteranean countries today

And now I totally derail the topic with a throwaway remark

Agatha Macbeth: Gil wanted everything to weep for Enk, made me think of Baldur
Aphrodite Macbain: Baldur?
Agatha Macbeth: Norse god
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, that's so poetic
Aphrodite Macbain: what did he do?
Agatha Macbeth: Stormy would know him :)
Agatha Macbeth: He died
Aphrodite Macbain: Did Baldur weep for a friend?
Agatha Macbeth: And if everyhting wept for him he would come back
Aphrodite Macbain: ah
Aphrodite Macbain: did it work?
Agatha Macbeth: But Loki (who had engineered his death) would not
Agatha Macbeth: So he was lost
Bruce Mowbray: Un-shared grief is very difficult....
Aphrodite Macbain: would not weep?
Agatha Macbeth: Nope
Aphrodite Macbain: mean bugger
Agatha Macbeth: Well he wanted Baldur dead
Aphrodite Macbain: so he could take power?
Agatha Macbeth: And that event triggered Ragnarök
Agatha Macbeth: Jealousy
Eliza Madrigal: so his tears would have been disingenuous
Aphrodite Macbain: what did the gods have to say about that?
Agatha Macbeth: He was probably Scorpio ;-)
Aphrodite Macbain: oops
Aphrodite Macbain: blushes
Agatha Macbeth: Kidding
Aphrodite Macbain: groans
Aphrodite Macbain: BAldur and Loki are gods, no?
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Agatha Macbeth: North German/Scandinavian
Aphrodite Macbain: so there was no one higher than them to punish them
Aphrodite Macbain: unlike Gilgamesh
Agatha Macbeth: Ragnarök is much the same as Götterdämmerung
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh, Wagner!
Aphrodite Macbain: Is that where Eagner got his story?
Aphrodite Macbain: Wagner
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Eliza Madrigal loves when Agatha starts pouring out her hidden knowledge
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Good old Dick Carter
Aphrodite Macbain: me too
Aphrodite Macbain: Dick?
Agatha Macbeth: Wagner's name would be Richard Carter in english
Agatha Macbeth: Or Cartwright
Tura Brezoianu: Ah, I googled DIck Carter and just got a designer of luxury yachts
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: ah yes Wagoner
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Agatha Macbeth nods
Bruce Mowbray: ahhhh. Sort of like Billy Shakespeare.....
Aphrodite Macbain: Bill or Will
Agatha Macbeth: Guiseppe Verdi would be Joe Green
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: ahhh.
Aphrodite Macbain: chuckles
Agatha Macbeth: What's in a name eh
Aphrodite Macbain: wonders what Puccini would be- little flea?
Agatha Macbeth: Could be
Eliza Madrigal: puppy pasta
Agatha Macbeth: Don't know much Italian
Bruce Mowbray wishes Qt were here.

Eliza Madrigal: I have to go... have probably overstayed, but very nice session. Thank you :)
Aphrodite Macbain: anything with inni or etti is diminuative
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry I seem to have derailed the topic again...
Agatha Macbeth: Oh right
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks eliza
Eliza Madrigal: not at all, fun session
Bruce Mowbray: I need to go too. Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
Aphrodite Macbain: LOve yr tattoo
Tura Brezoianu: Hitler once joked that he would never have got anywhere if his father hadn't changed the family name from Schicklgruber.
Agatha Macbeth: TC Liz
Agatha Macbeth: Get well soon
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Aphrodite Macbain: what does that mean Tura?
Eliza Madrigal: thanks, nite
Agatha Macbeth: Scrape well Brucie
Aphrodite Macbain: off to scrape- and heat up some soup
Tura Brezoianu: Schicklgruber isn't really a fitting name for a tyrant. It would be like being called Higginbottom.
--BELL--2.00
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: giggles
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, true
Agatha Macbeth: Well that came an abrupt end :p
Tura Brezoianu: A lot of wbbbling off topic :)