2019.01.13 01:00 - Hovering Protests, Griefers and Karma

The Guardian for this meeting was Wol Euler.

Wol Euler: good morning, Qt
Qt Core: Hi Wol
Wol Euler: I knew it was you because of the Star Trek communicator badge!
Qt Core: ;-)
Wol Euler: happy new-ish year
Qt Core: ty, happy new-ish year to you (and to Bertram too)
Wol Euler: hello Berti
Qt Core: Hi Berti
Bertram Jacobus: hey folks !

Bertram Jacobus: qt is the new boxy ? ;-)
Wol Euler smiles.
Bertram Jacobus: ehm - yes. ty - happy new year as well ! ...
Bertram Jacobus: why are you a box qt ?
Qt Core: not really, is a "i think about sl as a chat, not really need all this overcomplicated graphics)
Wol Euler: hehehehehhe
Wol Euler: fair enough
Bertram Jacobus: oh. i see. i am also on a text based chat, but here i love al the graphics and worlds very much ! ...
Wol Euler: slightly anti-social though, in that you assume on our behalf that we don't need them either

--BELL--

Qt Core: yes, i love it too and i'm usually amazed by what people come out with
Qt Core: yes, that too, maybe ;-)
Qt Core: on the other hand... people are the basic building block of sl...
Wol Euler nods.
Bertram Jacobus: and so wolys outfit changed quite a bit as well ! ... ;-)

Bertram Jacobus: so how are you both on this sunday morning ? :-)
Wol Euler: tired and vaguely sad
Qt Core: trying to invent an excuse not to get out of my house this afternoon ;-) (even if i mostly planned it)
Wol Euler: that would be lovely, Qt :)
Bertram Jacobus: ehm - particle overflow ?
Bertram Jacobus: https://gyazo.com/9917cb0035c8ea7338d321a85b127f15
Bertram Jacobus: who did that ?
Bertram Jacobus: the third "attack" i experience here since yesterday in the evening (!) ...
Bertram Jacobus: at various places ...
Wol Euler: some idiot child making itself feel less bad about its life by making others' lives unpleasasnt
Wol Euler: aka Griefing

Bertram Jacobus: hmm ... okayy ... "my karma", "my destiny, fate" or by chance ? ... *considering* ... ;-)
Wol Euler: why assume that it has anything to do with you? :)
Bertram Jacobus: why not ? everything is linked to everything (!)
Wol Euler: that seems incredibly egotistical, like asking "why is it raining on me?"
Bertram Jacobus: and i hadn´t experienced such since years, if i don´t err - and now three in a row in less then 12 hours (!) ... ;-)
Qt Core: the answer nay just be because i got out witout an umbrella and not because god hate me
Wol Euler: right. Unless you see that it is NOT raining on anyone except yourself
Wol Euler: which seems unlikely to me, given my experience of the world
Qt Core: then you just ara Fantozzi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantozzi_(film))
Qt Core: *are
Wol Euler: Berti, it may be the "monkey see, monkey do" phenomenon. Griefer sees asshole griefing, thinks "that is such a shitty thing to do, I'll do it too"

--BELL--

Wol Euler: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobianchi_Bianchina :D
Wol Euler: 17 hp!
Qt Core: who would need more ?
Bertram Jacobus: i feel love and compassion for all that ... to be so unhappy (!) ... i want to help ...
Wol Euler: that is very admirable
Qt Core: maybe faking real distress at their antics make them happy ? But then it does not solve their issues with the world
Bertram Jacobus: i agree because i see, that such is not ultimate happiness ...
Wol Euler: is anything, though?
Bertram Jacobus: and that's a shame: we have just a world that allows a lot of luck ... so better to aim on that, no ? ... ;-) - for all (!) ... ;-)
Qt Core: short term destruction is easier and somewhat gratifying too
Qt Core: and then as there are no consequences here...
Bertram Jacobus: hmmm - i´m not convinced by that concept ... ;-)
Qt Core: the gratifying part or no consequences one ?

--BELL--

Bertram Jacobus: the enjoyable part - because that's really very little, especially considering what you can have (!) ... ;-)
Qt Core: not on that level, but some hidden away place to scream and a punching bag are quite freeing (i think)
Wol Euler: perhaps less than *you* could have. I assume that the griefers' lives are barren and unpleasant, if the best way they can enjoy SL is by griefing
Bertram Jacobus: okay - i try again to have some eggs and a bit breakfast ... later i´ll drive quite a bit - and so let´s help them to raise the level or how ever : support all
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: bon voyage
Qt Core: :-)
Qt Core: have fun
Bertram Jacobus: ty and may all beings be happy pls ... :-)

Qt Core: on a happier (?) tone a couple days ago i thought about being swamped by griefers, but it was a protest (a protest in sl) by the tinies community about some hover issues sl has
Wol Euler: punching bags are a good thing :)
Wol Euler: huh
Wol Euler: I didn't know that
Wol Euler: neither the problem nor the protest
Qt Core: i have my "rez point" at an ancient Lindens place and they got there thinking/hoping to find lindens there
Qt Core: it seems that changing size change your hovering and they have to often adjust it
Wol Euler: ah
Qt Core: they were organized with sign, slogans, chants
Wol Euler: interesting :)
Wol Euler: I thought hover height was an attribute of the body shape? clearly not
Qt Core: to be hones i was still thinking they were griefers when i changed to my cube avi that has no hovering/floating issues and then stood there watching
Qt Core: i found an ancient almost sl friend that explained it to me
Qt Core: (she's quite serious so i think it is a true thing)
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: I'd believe it
Wol Euler: there is a similar issue with Kemono avatars, like this, which the maker solved by providing a foot shape that lifts my av above the ground
Wol Euler: tinies could in theory do the same
Wol Euler: the hover effect would then be part of the avatar, putting it on would automatically set the hover properly
Qt Core: there were some 50 tinies screaming around a couple more human avi (a photojurnalist avi), a black horse and a dozem meters tall naked woman
Wol Euler smiles.
Qt Core: quite fun couple hours, i never seen more than 5 people around that place ;-)
Qt Core: (and never a Linden)
Qt Core: i think they plan to tour Lindens' places all around
Wol Euler nods.

--BELL--

Wol Euler: I hope they can find a solution
Qt Core: i better start the day and decide if keeping up with the plan (go to see the spiderman movie)
Wol Euler: aha :)
Wol Euler: I hope you enjoy whichever you decide :)
Qt Core: it seems to be good and i don't know if it will be around next week, but had tiring days at work
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: I should go too, I'm working this afternoon
Wol Euler: enjoy the day, dear Qt
Qt Core: ty, you too