Attending were Tura, Eliza, Agatha, Zen, Riddle, and Alma.
Tura Brezoianu: hi Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tura :)
Eliza Madrigal: like your dress :)
Eliza Madrigal: Btw, got to see taiko performers recently... very impressive group
Tura Brezoianu: Thanks :) Do you know the name of the group?
Eliza Madrigal: Let me see, one sec
Tura Brezoianu: That was in Florida?
Agatha Macbeth: Bonsoir :)
Eliza Madrigal: I believe this is them, yes. They often perform at
Morikami Gardens
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
Tura Brezoianu: hi Agatha, comment ça va?
Agatha Macbeth: I like it here
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: me too
Eliza Madrigal: This is the second time I've seen them, but this time they seemed so happy and energetic
Agatha Macbeth: Who?
Eliza Madrigal: taiko drumming group that plays at the Oshugatsu festival in S. Florida
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: Great
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds wonderful
Agatha Macbeth: Do they do a lot of that sort of thing there?
Eliza Madrigal: Really nice festival and wonderful gardens. I didn't know about it until about 7 years ago and now we are there fairly often
Eliza Madrigal: Not really in Miami, but these gardens were actually built by Japanese... land donated, etc.
Eliza Madrigal: long ago
Agatha Macbeth: And you always the weather for it too...
Eliza Madrigal nods.... was a little bummed that the lakes seemed low
Eliza Madrigal: but maybe natural for this time of year
Eliza Madrigal: they also have a lantern festival... and that's gorgeous, but sooo many people
Agatha Macbeth: How far are the Everglades from you?
Eliza Madrigal: super close
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Eliza Madrigal: I used to live much closer, but now I'm about a 15 min drive
Agatha Macbeth: Swamp queen
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Well I wonder if everyone forgot what day it is
Eliza Madrigal: just tried to TP Zen
Agatha Macbeth: Odd for Zen not to be here
Eliza Madrigal: maybe he went to the other spot
Agatha Macbeth: Aha
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe Riddle's there too
Eliza Madrigal: If so, he'll say something to Riddle...
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen, were you with Riddle?
Agatha Macbeth: Welcome to a warmer place Zenny
Agatha Macbeth: I TPed him
Eliza Madrigal: great, ty
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Riddle :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Rid
Zen (zen.arado): Riddle and I were sitting huddled in the snow
Tura Brezoianu: hi Zen, Riddle
Eliza Madrigal: aw
Agatha Macbeth: A less laggy venue :p
Riddle Sideways: Hey All, left us at the garden
Zen (zen.arado): hi everyone
Eliza Madrigal: added a LM to the notice, but maybe should have put it in the subject line
Agatha Macbeth: Thought it was odd you were late
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder if Alma's coming
Riddle Sideways: read Notice?
Eliza Madrigal: So shall we begin? Reports?
Agatha Macbeth: We're assuming people read notices of course ;-)
Zen (zen.arado): yes I didn't open it
Agatha Macbeth: There ya go
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I have a tiny dream, but I didn't do anything with it
Agatha Macbeth: 'I didn't do it'
Eliza Madrigal: it was a quilt of symbols and, I knew it to be synchronicities somehow.... glittering images of things like rainbows and stars in each section
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Eliza Madrigal: really beautiful
Agatha Macbeth: A literal quilt?
Eliza Madrigal: I had it on the last day of flu, which I was down with all weekend (done)
Eliza Madrigal: quilt-like moreso
Agatha Macbeth: How interesting
Zen (zen.arado): oh dear, I hope you are better
Eliza Madrigal: much, thanks
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Zen (zen.arado): the quilt could represent everything in life is my first thought
Eliza Madrigal: but I think the flu can so thoroughly drain one that there isn't much resistance to what the mind comes up with :)
Tura Brezoianu: Did you notice specific symbols on it?
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe when the body is down the mind takes over more
Zen (zen.arado): could be yes
Eliza Madrigal: just the rainbow, and glittering stars... someone's winking eye
Riddle Sideways: in some pattern?
Agatha Macbeth: Eye eye
Zen (zen.arado): the rich tapestry of life
Eliza Madrigal: that was where the dream ended. The eye was at the bottom right of the quilt
Tura Brezoianu: A magician's cloak
Agatha Macbeth: Here's looking at you
Eliza Madrigal: that's a neat association Tura, especially with the starry image,,, felt deep like that
Eliza Madrigal: as though each section I could have stayed gazing into longer
Eliza Madrigal: tapestry of life :) Nice
Riddle Sideways: yes, each section of a Magician's cloak would capture attention
Agatha Macbeth: The weaver's tale
Eliza Madrigal: well, so maybe an archetype emerges after all :) Thanks
Zen (zen.arado): you Need a figure though?
Riddle Sideways: really?
Riddle Sideways: was wondering why
Zen (zen.arado): for the last exercise anyway
Eliza Madrigal: isn't the figure a symbol itself? So the symbol points to an idea? or other associations, and vice versa?
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Alma
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Alma :)
Riddle Sideways: Hi Alma
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Alma
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): hi everyone, sorry I'm late
Agatha Macbeth: You're forgiven :)
Zen (zen.arado): I don't know
Eliza Madrigal: Would you like a notecard, or just to jump in with the conversation as it goes?
Tura Brezoianu: hi Alma
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): notecard please
Eliza Madrigal: okay, one sec
Zen (zen.arado): it just seems that the instructions needed a figure to relate to so that in turn should point to an archetype
Riddle Sideways: already twisted Eliza's cloak of many colours into many things
Zen (zen.arado): just looked back – maybe I am wrong – it talks about an image but later a figure
Tura Brezoianu: Yes, the exercise begins by talking about a dream image, then switches to calling it a figure, which seemed an odd transition.
Zen (zen.arado): I assumed that it was a person
Riddle Sideways: well, reread and reread the exercise instructions and and and nope not got
Riddle Sideways: making it be a Person is even harder
Eliza Madrigal nods
Riddle Sideways: just an image is easier
Riddle Sideways: a (something) seemed best
Eliza Madrigal: an idea or concept that shows up as a pattern
Eliza Madrigal: maybe through recurrences too?
Riddle Sideways: yea, recurrences
Eliza Madrigal: so like, "year of the boar"
Agatha Macbeth: Soon
Zen (zen.arado): it says to have a dialogue with the figure
Zen (zen.arado): that made me think it was a person
Eliza Madrigal: a figure we draw out from the symbols, could be?
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): you could look at it that everything in a dream is alive, so you can dialog with anything
Eliza Madrigal: yes, nice
Riddle Sideways: easy to have dialogues with anything
Zen (zen.arado): we better get this guy to come here and explain it :-)
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Eliza Madrigal: let's just be shinto dreamers :)
Agatha Macbeth: Why not
Riddle Sideways: ok
Eliza Madrigal: Alma, did you have a chance to dream this week?
Agatha Macbeth: Nah, she hasn't slept for 7 days :p
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen (zen.arado): to sleep perchance to dream
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): my dreams were kind of sparse this week. it was a very busy week in RL
Riddle Sideways: Dreamless sleep
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: The silent stars go by
Zen (zen.arado): my dream performance has slumped lately as well
Zen (zen.arado): I must do better
Eliza Madrigal: maybe we can talk about deep rest then...
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): I did have some dreams that were kind of long and rambling, but without anything that really stood out
Riddle Sideways: agree. Stating that will recall stronger yet not recalling
Tura Brezoianu: Yesterday morning I had a dream that I found rather striking.
Eliza Madrigal: Oh?
Zen (zen.arado): yes that's what happens to me
Agatha Macbeth listens
Tura Brezoianu: But I haven't had time to do anything with it yet, beyond recording it.
Agatha Macbeth: That's a start :)
Tura Brezoianu: It was about my late father.
Zen (zen.arado): I had a long dream where I was hanging out with a group and we were doing various things but I couldn't remember what they were
Riddle Sideways: well, bounce it out here and we shall Strike at it
Zen (zen.arado): Yep
Eliza Madrigal: we'll try not to overinterpret :)
Tura Brezoianu: I was in Edinburgh, and I'd wandered into some sort of small literary festival. I saw someone going downstairs that seemed to be my father. In both the dream and in RL he died a long time ago. He was with someone else, his back to me. I approached him, saying "Excuse me, sir", then as he didn't turn round, and seemed reluctant to, I put a hand on his shoulder. He turned and it was him, and he recognised me. I asked, "What is this, you just vanished, went away?" We, the family, had all thought he was dead.
Tura Brezoianu: In the dream I remembered an occasion a few years earlier when I'd also thought I'd seen him in the street, but then he'd slipped out of sight and I couldn't find him again, and I couldn't be sure it was him. There had been some sort of advertising poster nearby for the same literary festival, which I'd googled the details of, and the present one was the same sort of thing.
Tura Brezoianu: The dream didn't fill in the details of our conversation, but he said that he'd just seen the opportunity to get away, and start a new life as a writer, with a new name. I said I missed him, a lot. He didn't show much reaction, but I thought he might have been somewhat touched by that. I worked out that he'd been 43 when he "died". (In RL, he died at 74.) While talking we were sitting at someone's bedside, as if that person was in hospital, although this was still at the literary event.
Tura Brezoianu: Then I looked away for a moment, and when I turned back he had gone. I went to look for him, but there was no-one around in the building. I went outside, and eventually a lot of people began returning there, as if they'd just been at an event at another venue. I looked for him but didn't see him. A couple of the people returning looked at me as if they recognised me, although I didn't recognise any of them, and I wondered if they were mistaking me for him.
Tura Brezoianu: Done.
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Eliza Madrigal: such a deep dream
Eliza Madrigal: what did you feel upon waking?
Tura Brezoianu: It felt like an important dream.
Tura Brezoianu: So I got the recorder at once and started recording it.
Zen (zen.arado): You got plenty of great detail
Eliza Madrigal: were these feelings you recognized feeling before? or clarifying in some way?
Eliza Madrigal: feels integrative
Tura Brezoianu: Since his death 30 years ago I've always wished I had known him better.
Tura Brezoianu: The dream brought him back, but then I lost track of him again.
Agatha Macbeth: It can be hard to know your parents
Zen (zen.arado): yes I think that there's a common feeling
Zen (zen.arado): we think of the things we should have done with our parents after they die
Eliza Madrigal: did you search for him in books? or imagine which characters he might be like?
Tura Brezoianu: Stern, salt of the earth types are the sort that remind me of him.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I hope you work with this dream more... seems a lot there... timeless and insightful
Eliza Madrigal: feelings 30 years ago with maturity of now, questions to ask
Zen (zen.arado): I think I understand my father better now after many years since he died
Zen (zen.arado): but maybe you edit out the bad parts
Eliza Madrigal: life experience makes most of us more understanding perhaps
Eliza Madrigal: how many things we think are in someone's control
Zen (zen.arado): yes and I was never a father myself so don't really understand probably
Zen (zen.arado): raising children is the hardest thing to do
Agatha Macbeth: It's hard to understand older people til you're that age yerself
Eliza Madrigal nods
Zen (zen.arado): yes
Agatha Macbeth: Then you think 'ah'
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): I had a dream about my mother last night
Tura Brezoianu listens to Alma
Eliza Madrigal: just remembered?
Riddle Sideways: gret
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): I recorded it but haven't transcribed it into my journal yet
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): I was sitting next to her, and had a copy of a new book that was just being published
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): I had a chapter in that book. I handed it to her without telling her about my chapter. I wanted her to find it and be surprised
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): but she didn't open or really look at the book. I was trying to figure out how to get her to open it so she would find my chapter. I really wanted it to be a surprise for her
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): (listening to my recorder)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): oh, I had written a dedication to her on the chapter
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): dedicated it to her
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): [end]
Eliza Madrigal: So she hadn't opened the book by the time the dream ended?
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): no
Riddle Sideways: didn't see the bookmark and sign that said Read Me
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): well, I was trying to be a little more subtle than that :)
Eliza Madrigal: If I had such a dream I might take it as guidance to tell her what you might have written, more directly
Zen (zen.arado): that always seems to happen when you want people to notice something
Zen (zen.arado): you always have to point it out :(
Eliza Madrigal: misses a bit of the magic, but yes :)
Agatha Macbeth: Go ask Alice
Eliza Madrigal: we're always missing each other I guess
Eliza Madrigal: missing the timing, etc.
Zen (zen.arado): hint hint sometimes works
Zen (zen.arado): careworkers early drat
Zen (zen.arado): have to go
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Eliza Madrigal: drat :/
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): bye Zen, take care
Eliza Madrigal: speaking of not great timing
Tura Brezoianu: bye Zen :(
Riddle Sideways: aw, by Zen
Zen (zen.arado): byee
Agatha Macbeth: Happy dreams Zenny
Eliza Madrigal: bye Zen :)
Eliza Madrigal: not much more archetypal than parents perhaps?
Agatha Macbeth: Perhaps
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): father and mother, yes
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): archetypes
Agatha Macbeth: Archetypos
Agatha Macbeth: Nobody's perfect heh
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Must be hard to lose a parent so young
Tura Brezoianu: I was 31 when my father died, so, not young young. Younger than usual maybe.
Eliza Madrigal: still seems young :) Although, I misjudged your age too ^.^
Tura Brezoianu: People often do in RL :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways: even more often in SL
Eliza Madrigal: Let me get the text from last week so that I can re-paste those directions for the week ahead
Eliza Madrigal: ...
Riddle Sideways: oh good, reread them yet again
Agatha Macbeth: Makes sense :p
Eliza Madrigal: Zen (zen.arado): Contacting the Archetypal Ego
Once we have entered the realm of the dream, it is helpful to contact a part of ourselves that I call the “archetypal ego.” This more essential self is located in the depth of our being, not in our heads, and is often referred to as our true nature, or the authentic self.
Zen (zen.arado): To connect to the archetypal ego, identify a dream image that touches you emotionally. Sometimes it happens that the first image invites a second dream image into your awareness. If a second dream image shows up, stick to this new image and let the original one go. Spend time exploring this image. Use the skills of animation that you have learned to vivify the image and watch its activity. Meet the figure in the way of the dream. Notice what is particular about it. Now enter more deeply into a relationship with this
figure.
Zen (zen.arado): Engage in a dialogue, either mentally or by writing it down. As you interact with the figure, notice how your connection to your breath, your heart, and your core deepens. Now imagine the figure alongside of you. Feel your feet on the ground, your breath deepening still further, and your heartfelt awareness broadening. From this awareness, you are now ready to meet the dream in the way of your animal body. You have engaged the archetypal ego, or what some call the authentic self. This is the desired state of awareness from which to continue tending the dream.
Eliza Madrigal: Aizenstat, Stephen. Dream Tending: Awakening to the Healing Power of Dreams (pp. 31-32). Spring Journal, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
Zen (zen.arado): done
Eliza Madrigal: So that is way more clear when a figure does emerge, isn't it?
Eliza Madrigal: That you can invite that figure to sit down and have a conversation
Eliza Madrigal: while simultaneously being aware of your own presence
Riddle Sideways: and writing it down
Eliza Madrigal: yes, though I wonder if recording it would be okay, if comfortable
Eliza Madrigal: some are more easy verbally
Agatha Macbeth: If you don't want it recorded don't tell anybody ;-)
Riddle Sideways: and animating it using the skills that... well did not get developed very well weeks ago
Agatha Macbeth: Shame Nixon never thought of that
Eliza Madrigal: :) Agatha
Eliza Madrigal: true... I guess animating would be, for instance imagining what the figure would be wearing...
Eliza Madrigal: details like that, as if casting?
Riddle Sideways: wearing a magian's clock of many rainbows
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Somewhere over the rainbow
Agatha Macbeth: Somewhere under the quilt
Eliza Madrigal: comforting image really, I 'full' smile about it still
Agatha Macbeth: Better half full than half empty
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks everyone, for being here.
Agatha Macbeth pours Liz another
Eliza Madrigal: Must go <3
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): thank you Eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Byee the noo
Eliza Madrigal: very thoughtful dreams
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for sharing them
Agatha Macbeth: Got the log OK?
Riddle Sideways: thanks All
Tura Brezoianu: thanks Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: oops, yes better get that, thanks
Agatha Macbeth: Ar
Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): dream well
Agatha Macbeth: You too
Tura Brezoianu: goodnight all