2019.04.30 11:30 - Dreams - Dogs and Mountaineers

The Guardian for this meeting was Zen. The scribing is by Agatha.

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Agatha
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Aggers
Tura Brezoianu: hi Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
Zen (Zen Arado): San must have cleared it out
Zen (Zen Arado): (old location)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh is it gone?
Zen (Zen Arado): nothing there but a big field with Eliza's fire
Agatha Macbeth: I'll take a look
Agatha Macbeth: Not that it matters now we're here :p
Zen (Zen Arado): no  cushions or seats

                    
Zen (Zen Arado): I arrived at perfect paradise where we were on Sunday
Agatha Macbeth: Great
Zen (Zen Arado): so nice there but there were a couple  there already
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't intrude I hope? ;-)
Zen (Zen Arado): they were just sitting quietly
Agatha Macbeth: Guess some couples do that
Agatha Macbeth: <cough>
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): you never know what's happening in IM ;)
Agatha Macbeth: True dat
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi) entered chat range (5.60 m).
Agatha Macbeth: Xira :))
Tura Brezoianu: hi Xirana
Agatha Macbeth: Hola guapina
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi) entered chat range (5.49 m).
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): helli Zen, Tura and Alma :)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Xira
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): and Agatha :)
Zen (Zen Arado): I wonder if Riddle is coming back
Riddle Sideways entered chat range (5.60 m).
Tura Brezoianu: coming now
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Zen (Zen Arado): speak on the devil :-)
Riddle Sideways: sorry late
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Riddle
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Rid
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): hi Rid! :)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): say his name and he appears
Riddle Sideways: devil?
Zen (Zen Arado): ha ha
Agatha Macbeth: Aloha to your shirt too
Riddle Sideways: nice weather back, can wear shirts now
Zen (Zen Arado): we are working through a book called Dream Tending Xirana
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): ok, thank you Zen..I will just listen :)
Zen (Zen Arado): it gives us themes and things
Zen (Zen Arado): and different ways of dealing with dreams
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): wonderful
Zen (Zen Arado): supposed to help you psychologically as well as being interesting
Agatha Macbeth listens
Zen (Zen Arado): originally we were concentrating on lucid dreaming and how to attain that state
Zen (Zen Arado): but not so much now
Zen (Zen Arado): mainly because I can't do it :-)
Zen (Zen Arado): Alma seems the best  at
Zen (Zen Arado): Lucid dreaming
Agatha Macbeth: As opposed to Luci
Zen (Zen Arado): :-)
Zen (Zen Arado): retires into background
Riddle Sideways: /listens for Luci dreaming
Zen (Zen Arado): I wasn't well with food poisoning last week by the way
Zen (Zen Arado): took me nearly a week to get over it
Agatha Macbeth: Yes I heard
Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully better now
Zen (Zen Arado): think it was a meal of scampi I had in local restaurant
Agatha Macbeth: Ah...there you go
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): glad you are feeling better, Zen
Agatha Macbeth: Always be sure yer seafood's fresh
Zen (Zen Arado): don't think I ever  had food poisoning before
Riddle Sideways: and have we already discussed the new Aggers tail(s)?
Agatha Macbeth: It tends not to be something you forget
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Not new...ancient
Agatha Macbeth: Like Horus ancient
Agatha Macbeth: So, any dreams to report?
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): sadly she is just a shape for me today...
Agatha Macbeth: Turn up your complexity
Zen (Zen Arado): has anyone  any dreams they  would like to share?
Agatha Macbeth: I said that :p
Riddle Sideways: small quick funny one
Zen (Zen Arado): My  dreaming hasn't been very good the past week though I have a couple
Agatha Macbeth: Size is not important...

Riddle Sideways: SL. had bought or been gifted a 9 pack of an avatar that was nice and was taking 2nd or 3rd out.  Wondering why they were being used up.  looking in inventory for where the pack came from (to get more? or tell somebody else?)

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): disposable avatars?
Riddle Sideways: made no sense, so must have been dream
Agatha Macbeth: Were you smoking them?
Riddle Sideways: ㋡
Riddle Sideways: oh, Done
Riddle Sideways: anybody else?
Zen (Zen Arado): :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Agatha Macbeth: Somewhat surreal that
Zen (Zen Arado): I had a strange  dog dream
Agatha Macbeth: A strange dream about a dog, or a dream about a strange dog?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): or both

Zen (Zen Arado): Walking near Carrickfergus Castle. There is a bunch of large brown dogs in front of me, about five or six, with a small dog in the middle. They are all standing close together pointing in same direction and slavering. They look mean and vicious and I walk on past quickly in case they attack me.

Zen (Zen Arado): done
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds more terrifying than strange!
Zen (Zen Arado): you get 'slavering'?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): no :-)
Zen (Zen Arado): hoped it was right word
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I wonder if the little dog was their leader, or a prisoner
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): salivating
Zen (Zen Arado): like salivating ?
Riddle Sideways: oh
Tura Brezoianu: a little dog with a menacing entourage?
Zen (Zen Arado): It was such a strange  dream
Zen (Zen Arado): the thought occurred to me that the little dog was on heat
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): ah
Zen (Zen Arado): or they were protecting it  or something
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Zen (Zen Arado): but why were they salivating?
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe Pavlov was there
Zen (Zen Arado): perhaps that denotes their fierceness?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): dogs do that
Zen (Zen Arado): Yes but usually when they are given food
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I once had a dog that drooled every time he got into a car
Zen (Zen Arado): oh?
Zen (Zen Arado): some dogs seem more prone to it
Zen (Zen Arado): like boxers or Bulldogs?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): big dogs especially, I think
Zen (Zen Arado): Don't know what breed these were
Zen (Zen Arado): quite thin like Dobermans
Riddle Sideways: St. Bernards are really drollers
Zen (Zen Arado): yes could have been
Agatha Macbeth: It's the brandy
Zen (Zen Arado): I think it's the way they breed them gives them a bad mouth shape
Zen (Zen Arado): anyway it has a kind of meaning for me
Zen (Zen Arado): I was feeling stressed out by health workers last week because of the food poisoning and another 's health problem
Zen (Zen Arado): so maybe I was small dog being alternately protected and savaged :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Funny how health workers have that effect
Agatha Macbeth: Physician heal thyself etc.
Zen (Zen Arado): listens
Zen (Zen Arado): Dragon always says lessons
Zen (Zen Arado): stupid Dragon
Agatha Macbeth: Too busy guarding gold probably
Riddle Sideways: careful calling a dragon stupid
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I had a kind of funny dream
Agatha Macbeth: Oh I like those
Riddle Sideways: great
Zen (Zen Arado): great
Agatha Macbeth: Great

                        
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I'm checking in to a hotel. To do that, I must breath into a hole on the side of a device that looks like a long cylinder. The man at the desk tells me to do that and then walks away. It's not clear to me whether I should only exhale into the hole, or both inhale and exhale. I'm waiting for the man to return so I can ask him to clarify. There is a Muslim religious service just about to start. A leader calls out the number of a hymn or reading from a book that is like a Muslim version of a hymnal. Since I am there waiting, I decide to pick up a copy of that book and follow along to see what they are singing. They sing a pleasant little song. I am struck with how very similar the words seem to the kind of songs we sing in the liberal church I go to. They seem to express a message of good will and tolerance. The song mentions Jesus, and says something like, "We wear our hair long like Jesus, because he is having fun."

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): [end]
Agatha Macbeth: Who knows, maybe he is
Zen (Zen Arado): a religious tolerance  dream :)
Agatha Macbeth: Woot
Zen (Zen Arado): Jesus is mentioned in the Koran I think but only as a prophet ?
Agatha Macbeth: Think so
Riddle Sideways: more reasons to keep long hair
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes, the message seemed to be that these people are no different from my liberal Christian friends
Agatha Macbeth: Much like Moses
Zen (Zen Arado): I don't know many Muslim people
Riddle Sideways: gotten to know many over the last couple years
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): me either...only in sl :-)
Zen (Zen Arado): Jeff Hema in second life  and Dana in second 'slife
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): yes...Jeff :-)
Zen (Zen Arado): actually I'm not sure if Dana is a Muslim though she  lives in the Arab emirates
Zen (Zen Arado): Jeff is a nice guy
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): I don't know...
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): yes...very nice <.-<9
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): :-)
Riddle Sideways: Mr.T has helped many religions to get together and know each other better
Zen (Zen Arado): Mr T?
Agatha Macbeth: Certainly more than Mrs T ever did :P
Riddle Sideways: teh POTUS which will not be names
Riddle Sideways: named
Tura Brezoianu: The character from the A-Team?
Agatha Macbeth: I always want to put HIPPO in front of that
Zen (Zen Arado): I remember him as a character  in an old TV series
Zen (Zen Arado): yes the  A team
Riddle Sideways: the one from Zen's dreams
Zen (Zen Arado): that was a long time ago
Agatha Macbeth: Hannibal Lecter
Agatha Macbeth: Um
Agatha Macbeth: No
Agatha Macbeth: Wait
Agatha Macbeth: Hannibal...somebody
Agatha Macbeth: George Peppard played him
Zen (Zen Arado): I wonder if any of us are ever totally free from religious prejudice
Zen (Zen Arado): I used to teach people from Arabic countries
Agatha Macbeth: Well I hope I am
Zen (Zen Arado): I find some of them hard to get on with  probably because of my own prejudices
Riddle Sideways: umm, Jews are having trouble getting away from it
Zen (Zen Arado): though I do try to overcome  them
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Zen (Zen Arado): people themselves are okay I think
Agatha Macbeth: Can be bound up with racism too
Zen (Zen Arado): yes
Zen (Zen Arado): where I live we don't make that many people from different countries
Zen (Zen Arado): if a black man walks down the road people turn to look at him
Riddle Sideways: why do some want to shot or bomb the nice people?
Zen (Zen Arado): because there are so few
Agatha Macbeth: You make people there?
Zen (Zen Arado): sorry it should be meet
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): playful dragon
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Dr F
Agatha Macbeth: 'The brain Igor...'
Agatha Macbeth: 'Yes Master'
Zen (Zen Arado): I think the world is generally becoming more tolerant
Zen (Zen Arado): ?
Zen (Zen Arado): We don't live in such  isolation any more
Agatha Macbeth: Emphasis on 'gradually' I think
Riddle Sideways: does this help your dream intrep Alma?
Zen (Zen Arado): I don't know what blowing into a tube represents
Tura Brezoianu: a breathalyser?
Zen (Zen Arado): it reminded me of when I was a kid  and they had  a pneumatic  system of tubes to send things around the various departments
Tura Brezoianu: a musical instrument?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): a breathalyzer, or a bong ;)
Zen (Zen Arado): but that was such a long time ago none of you will remember
Agatha Macbeth: BONG!
Tura Brezoianu: I've seen those
Zen (Zen Arado): in big stores I mean
Riddle Sideways: remember those tubes
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): they still have those at bank drive-up places
Zen (Zen Arado): amazing
Riddle Sideways: right...  inhale from Bong,  exhale into breathalyzer
Riddle Sideways: not both
Zen (Zen Arado): if we could just blow away all of the racism
Riddle Sideways: might have been analyzing whether to give you a non-smoking room
Zen (Zen Arado): second life  is a great integrationist tool
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): breath is symbolic of spirit
Zen (Zen Arado): you can meet and talk to people from all over the world in your own living room
Riddle Sideways: your Spirit measuring tube
Zen (Zen Arado): and find  how similar they are to you
Agatha Macbeth: Atma
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): the biggest barrier is time zones
Zen (Zen Arado): even if they  wear ostrich tails
Agatha Macbeth: Who?
Zen (Zen Arado): any more  dreams?
Riddle Sideways: another small one
Agatha Macbeth: Good question
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): in my view racism is growing...also because some parties do talk against people that come here looking for a better life... they say they take our jobs etc.
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): I have a small dream :)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala) listens
Riddle Sideways: /listens

Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): I had a fun dream some days ago. I was in a special party in a big castle and needed to go to the toilet. A friend of mine told me she would show me where the toilet was....We went down and then she started to go up on a very high and thin stairs that did not have any handrail at any side, like going into the sky but inside an enormous room... I followed my friend but telling her more than once, "listen...I just wanted to go to the toilet..." End.

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): LOL
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): :-)
Zen (Zen Arado): :)
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Zen (Zen Arado): thanks Xirana
Riddle Sideways: fun
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): I have found some kind of RL explanation :)
Zen (Zen Arado): yes?
Agatha Macbeth: This I must hear
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): oh?
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): this friend is like an 'alpinist'...she climbs high mountains :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): and she always invites me to go ... but...
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): well...this is the only assotiation I could find to explain the dream :)
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): I explained to her to and she is still laughing :)
Zen (Zen Arado): usually if I dream I need to go to the toilet I wake up and find I really do need to go to the toilet
Zen (Zen Arado): :-)
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): ahh that can also be :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Zen (Zen Arado): I am always scared I will  dream I am  urinating and wake up to find I have done it in the  bed
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): it happens to me too time to time
Zen (Zen Arado): though it hasn't happened yet  thankfully
Agatha Macbeth: To pee or not to pee
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): well...luckly this has not happened to me ...yet :)
Zen (Zen Arado): :-)
Zen (Zen Arado): that is the question
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): hehe
Riddle Sideways: and your friend thought climbing stairs to the sky with no handrail would scare you into pee your pants
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): haha :)) yes...
Zen (Zen Arado): it could be your friend  is encouraging you to climb to new heights in your career or in your life but you are holding back?
Agatha Macbeth: You should do a picture of that Xir
Riddle Sideways: too rational, ZZen
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): well...I really would like to go to the excursions she goes...but I have a bit of vertigen and I am not ready to climb where the group goes
Zen (Zen Arado): Yes that's a good idea!
Zen (Zen Arado): I guess so Riddle
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): so..I only go with them when I see it is not difficult
Zen (Zen Arado): well you never know what your dreams might be telling you
Zen (Zen Arado): and we do get stuck in ruts  don't we?
Agatha Macbeth remember the Ruts
Agatha Macbeth: Babylon's burning
Riddle Sideways: yes, stuck in the rut of having to get to the bathroom during each night
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): Zen's notice said that our topic today is Revelation
Zen (Zen Arado): :-)
Agatha Macbeth: It did?
Zen (Zen Arado): Yes a can I post something?
Tura Brezoianu listens
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): oops...not sure my dream fits in the topic :)
Riddle Sideways: The Ruttles
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): please do
Agatha Macbeth: YOu sure a can
Zen (Zen Arado): it isn't a topic
Zen (Zen Arado): it's just  something to help us
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): ah! ok :)
Zen (Zen Arado): hopefully
Zen (Zen Arado): Revelation

As Dream Tenders we can set the stage for revelation by bringing the qualities of subtle perception and deep listening into our interactions with images. By subtle perception, I mean a kind of seeing in which we are aware of both our peripheral vision and our focused, core vision at the same time. It is a kind of total seeing that we do with both very relaxed and very alert eyes. To view a dream image in this way is like walking in the woods and seeing the uniqueness of particular trees and simultaneously witnessing the forest in its totality. When we do this, the living image often will reveal its innermost self, its soul. In addition to subtle perception, it is also important to engage in deep listening.
Agatha Macbeth: You mean Revelation as in lots of sevens?
Agatha Macbeth: Angels, etc
Agatha Macbeth: And Great Beasts
Zen (Zen Arado): Deep listening, as we touched upon in the art of hosting, is a kind of hearing without the impulse to know or respond. Often this is somewhat difficult to do. Usually we have already prepared a response before a person has even finished her sentence. Obviously this way of listening does not allow for the fullest consideration and understanding of the other. Even if you do not speak, but there is a constant stream of mental responses to a dream figure, the revelatory process will likely come to an end.
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Zen (Zen Arado): We accomplish deep listening by emptying our minds of all responses. To listen carefully without reacting allows a dream figure to continue its activities uninterrupted and to reveal from the inside out what it has to say. When we listen to a living image in this way, its revelation is not conditioned by our expectations, judgments, or agendas.

Aizenstat, Stephen. Dream Tending: Awakening to the Healing Power of Dreams (pp. 48-49). Spring Journal, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
Agatha Macbeth: So different Revelation then
Zen (Zen Arado): {end}
Tura Brezoianu: with a small "r"
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): revealing
Zen (Zen Arado): deep listening  is a skill that is very important I think
Zen (Zen Arado): and good to be reminded of every now and then
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): do you post these sessions Zen... I will read it slowly later ...
Agatha Macbeth: Obviously one I need to cultivate :p
Zen (Zen Arado): yes Agatha posts them
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): ok, thanks :)
Zen (Zen Arado): I need to practice it as well
Agatha Macbeth grins cheesily
Zen (Zen Arado): I'm such a big knowall  sometimes
Agatha Macbeth: I can be a little knowall
Zen (Zen Arado): and we do want to force interpretations on life without allowing it to reveal itself in its own good time
Zen (Zen Arado): and maybe that's what I've just done :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Knowall knowall...♪ ♫
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Four months late
Zen (Zen Arado): we live in a fast paced world nowadays
Agatha Macbeth: Sadly
Zen (Zen Arado): maybe it conditions us like that
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): indeed
Zen (Zen Arado): you see old people sitting on the veranda in old movies just thinking slowly about things
Zen (Zen Arado): old country folk
Riddle Sideways: wish for that
Zen (Zen Arado): I guess those people aren't around anymore
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): I must go..thanks for this interesting session. Take care all and see you soon!
Riddle Sideways: instead of Deep Learning.  we should get the AI to do Deep Listening
Agatha Macbeth: TC Xira
Zen (Zen Arado): bye iri
Zen (Zen Arado): thanks for coming
Agatha Macbeth: Hasta porno
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): bye Xirana
Riddle Sideways: by Xir
Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): :-)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): and I need to run along too
Agatha Macbeth: A long what?
Zen (Zen Arado): this session is finished anyway
Zen (Zen Arado): bye Alma
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): thank you for your dreams
Tura Brezoianu: bye Alma
Zen (Zen Arado): thanks
Agatha Macbeth: Cheers
Riddle Sideways: by Alma and everybody
Tura Brezoianu: thanks all
Agatha Macbeth: Let's just check the recording
Zen (Zen Arado): Thanks everybody ,  byee
Agatha Macbeth: NN
Agatha Macbeth: Seems to have worked
Agatha Macbeth: Does it Aggers?
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Agatha Macbeth: OK
Agatha Macbeth: You're welcome