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2019.06.18 11:30 - Dreams - Dangerous Art
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The guardian for this meeting was Zen. The log is by Aggers.
Agatha Macbeth: Bonsoir mes amis
Riddle Sideways: howdee
Riddle Sideways: like the way your AO flicks the rez/tp dust off yer arms
Riddle Sideways: hey Tura
Tura Brezoianu: hi all
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Evening Tu
Riddle Sideways: does anybody know where 'Nearby Chat' is stored on Linux FireStorm?
Agatha Macbeth: Er
Riddle Sideways: can see all the Group chat files
Agatha Macbeth: MIne's down the bottom
Agatha Macbeth: But I have phoenix setup
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Alma
Zen (Zen Arado): no idea
Agatha Macbeth: Looking summery
Riddle Sideways: Hey Alma
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Agatha, Riddle, Tura, Zen
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Tura, Alma
Agatha Macbeth: Not sure what it is on default
Tura Brezoianu: find / 'chat*.txt' might find them.
Zen (Zen Arado): we were wondering about having a break last week Riddle
Agatha Macbeth: Ah right
Zen (Zen Arado): since we had one last year
Riddle Sideways: read the log, thanks
Riddle Sideways: did not read a definate decision tho
Zen (Zen Arado): any further thoughts?
Agatha Macbeth: When would we restart?
Zen (Zen Arado): I was thinking having a break July August starting in September?
Agatha Macbeth: Could do
Zen (Zen Arado): Isn't that what we did before?
Agatha Macbeth: I've been to bed since then :p
Zen (Zen Arado): It's just that people go away on holidays and things
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Zen (Zen Arado): and it's nice to have a break and come back fresh
Agatha Macbeth: Or refreshed
Zen (Zen Arado): but I don't vote to force it on the group
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I like to spend more time outdoors in the summer, so it would work for me to take a break
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Zen (Zen Arado): I could take a break and the rest of you carry on if you want?
Agatha Macbeth: Don't see the point of that
Agatha Macbeth: But that's just me
Riddle Sideways: how could we possibly carry on without our great leader
Agatha Macbeth: True dat
Riddle Sideways: whoops, too political
Zen (Zen Arado): Ha ha
Agatha Macbeth: The great Dick Tater
Zen (Zen Arado): I don't know what I'm doing here half the time
Riddle Sideways: The Great Cut-n-Paster
Agatha Macbeth: 50 per cent better than me still
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): that's better than our president, who doesn't know what he's doing any of the time
Zen (Zen Arado): :-)
Zen (Zen Arado): I think we are all learning this together
Zen (Zen Arado): I never thought there was so much to learn about dreams
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): worse yet, he doesn't know that he doesn't know what he's doing
Zen (Zen Arado): we used to just come to meetings, people shared dreams and people offered interpretations and that was it
Zen (Zen Arado): in the old days
Zen (Zen Arado): so perhaps we can do two more weeks and then have a break?
Agatha Macbeth: It was such a shame Maxine and Fox left
Agatha Macbeth: Could do
Agatha Macbeth: And now we lost Eliza too
Zen (Zen Arado): Yep
Riddle Sideways: those were nice session, but did not learn as much as these with exercises
Agatha Macbeth: I miss Wol's railway stations
Zen (Zen Arado): I like this book by Ullma
Zen (Zen Arado): n
Agatha Macbeth: Tracy?
Zen (Zen Arado): you said that last week Agatha :-)
Zen (Zen Arado): I don't think Americans know Tracey Ullman :-)
Agatha Macbeth: I've been to bed since then :p
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry me needle got stuck
Agatha Macbeth: I think she lives in the US now
Zen (Zen Arado): oh ? I haven't seen her for ages
Agatha Macbeth: That's why ;-)
Zen (Zen Arado): well any dreams?
Agatha Macbeth listens expectantly
Tura Brezoianu: I have a rather long one
Agatha Macbeth: NO comment!
Zen (Zen Arado): Longer the better :-)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala) listens
Zen (Zen Arado): listens
Tura Brezoianu: ah, um, *blushes*
Tura Brezoianu: I was at an event at a private art gallery, and it appeared that it was the wedding of the gallery owner and his wife-to-be. It was quite a large affair, a large gallery, a lot of people milling around. I got talking to one of the other guests. He was very disturbed by one of the exhibits, but he didn't say why. They all had to do with science fiction books, related art, etc. So I went to look at the exhibit I thought he was talking about, which turned out to be a series of books by John Brunner [an RL scifi author]. I couldn't see anything particularly unusual. I went back to him, and found that wasn't the exhibit he was talking about, and he directed me to another part fo the gallery.
I'd already got the idea that something very ominous was going to happen, perhaps at the height of this party, something dreadful, arranged by the host. I wasn't sure what but I didn't want to be there when it happened. I was going towards where this person had indicated, but on the way I was talking to a woman saying that the host had bought up a lot of audio book rights and was recording them, and people in the trade were annoyed that he'd waded in with a large amount of money and monopolised things.
So then I was on my way down a corridor, but I was thinking all the time how long I dared to stay before leaving. There weren't many people where I was, but I heard a toast being announced, and I thought it was probably not a good idea to participate in it. There would be several more toasts before the height of the proceedings, when whatever the ominous event was would happen.
Tura Brezoianu: Then I suddenly woke up, and my heart was pounding. I checked the time and it was 04:40. Waking, it seemed I'd brought some of the dream with me. It seemed to me that a group of people who were planning this mysterious dreadful event, the host among them, were psychically aware that I'd escaped, and that I needed to stay psychically very still so they wouldn't find me. So I just lay feeling my heart pound with unusual regularity, until it eventually calmed down.
Then I looked at the clock again and it said 03:06.
Tura Brezoianu: done
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Zen (Zen Arado): wow a very dramatic dream
Agatha Macbeth: You went backwards in time?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): was that a false awakening?
Tura Brezoianu: I'm not sure at what point I actually woke
Tura Brezoianu: Yes, the 04:40 must have been in the dream
Agatha Macbeth: Is it light at that time?
Zen (Zen Arado): when did you have this dream Tura?
Tura Brezoianu: not very, but not pitch dark
Tura Brezoianu: this was a few days ago
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like there might some SL mixed in there, with the art galleries and stuff
Tura Brezoianu: Maybe, I go to quite a few galleries in SL
Zen (Zen Arado): unless you have been going to art openings in real life
Agatha Macbeth: Moi aussi
Zen (Zen Arado): I have been to plenty because I was in art clubs
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): interesting notion, that dream characters could still track you after you awake from the dream
Tura Brezoianu: Once every few months I go down to London for a day of culture
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Riddle Sideways: yes, staying very still so the characters could not find you
Riddle Sideways: many times it is the opposite way, not want to go back into dreaming because would get back into that same situation
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
DeafLegacy Resident is online.
Tura Brezoianu: During that maybe-maybe-not dreaming phase, I was thinking that if I'd tried to leave the party I might have found the doors locked, or guards turning people back, and exiting from teh dream was the only way out.
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): which the other dream characters would see as cheating?
Zen (Zen Arado): there was such a big contrast between the genteel chat and then building up to something bad about to happen
Tura Brezoianu: I think most of the others at the gallery would be wanting to escape when whatever the evil event was happened.
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): sounds like a horror movie
Zen (Zen Arado): Hell is other people as Sartre said
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): did the host look like Vincent Price?
Riddle Sideways: lol
Zen (Zen Arado): yes it does sound a bit like the buildup in a horror movie
Tura Brezoianu: I don't think so. :)
Zen (Zen Arado): a buildup of contrast between something calm and peaceful and normal and natural and then something outlandish happens
Riddle Sideways: and the wedding was the evil event?
Tura Brezoianu: Sounds like the sort of thing that The Abominable Dr Phibes would do.
Zen (Zen Arado): maybe you can't connect it with something that happened in real life or will happen
Tura Brezoianu: I don;t think the wedding itself, but that it amused the host to bring some sort of calamity on all the guests as part of the celebration.
Subaru Arun is offline.
Zen (Zen Arado): weddings can be stressful if you are the best man and have to give a speech
Tura Brezoianu: I had the impression he was a rather unsavory character, an evil prankster.
Agatha Macbeth: Even worse if you're the one getting married
Riddle Sideways: many British Mysteries have plots with ominous events at galleries, weddings, fetes, etc.
Zen (Zen Arado): yeah
Riddle Sideways: that seem to go wrong
Agatha Macbeth: Fete worse than death
Tura Brezoianu: evil hearts behind smiling faces
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): seems like a general theme of darkness lurking beneath the facade of society
Zen (Zen Arado): Four weddings and a funeral
Zen (Zen Arado): yes agree with Alma
Riddle Sideways: funny how you went to the wrong exhibit and found nothing wrong
DeafLegacy Resident is offline.
Tura Brezoianu: And then I never got to the right wrong one
Riddle Sideways: not many dreams of talking to a particular person then go off and then come back to same person
Riddle Sideways: except maybe the mr. T dreams
Zen (Zen Arado): I think I remember John Brunner
Zen (Zen Arado): is he an old time writer?
Zen (Zen Arado): I used to read a lot of sci fi in my teens
Tura Brezoianu: Yes, one of the great oldies, dead now.
Zen (Zen Arado): ok shall I paste a bit of Ullman?
Riddle Sideways: Tracy?
Riddle Sideways: sorry
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes, do
Zen (Zen Arado): :) Dream Selection
It is important to make clear to the dreamer that in telling the dream he is to limit himself only to the dream as remembered. His task is to reproduce the dream as accurately and in as detailed a way as possible. He is not to include any associations or ideas about what the dream means.1 He is to include any feelings he was aware of while dreaming and details such as his age in the dream, the presence of color, and background features, such as whether it was day or night. A number of issues have to be considered in the selection of the dream to be shared.
Zen (Zen Arado): Recency of the Dream
To understand the relevancy of this issue, one must appreciate what the role of recent experience is in shaping the content of a dream. Every moment of our waking lives, we are all moving into our own futures. Regardless of how secure we may feel, there is always an element of the unknown. At any moment, tensions within us may arise that endure and ultimately influence the direction taken by our dreaming consciousness. These tensions arise from an interplay of internal processes and external events. Feelings that are ready to surface are given an added push by some seemingly trivial or incidental event that generally occurs shortly before the night of the dream.
Zen (Zen Arado): The actual event is not important in its own right. It assumes importance because of its connection to emotional concerns that have come close enough to consciousness to make their presence felt while dreaming. All of us are continually reworking unfinished emotional business from the past. Our dreams seem to be way stations along which these concerns pass, creating the possibility for recognition and exploration.
Ullman, Montague. Appreciating Dreams (p. 21). Cosimo, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
Zen (Zen Arado): done
Zen (Zen Arado): I like the way that he doesn't dismiss daytime residue in our dreams
Zen (Zen Arado): but talks about how we weave dreams around them
Zen (Zen Arado): 'These tensions arise from an interplay of internal processes and external events;
Agatha Macbeth ponders daytime residue
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): makes sense
Zen (Zen Arado): so that's why it's important to say how recent the dream is
Zen (Zen Arado): apparently
Zen (Zen Arado): it's good to keep working on these dreams he says
Zen (Zen Arado): meanings just don't surface immediately and may come up much later
Zen (Zen Arado): any other dreams someone wants to share?
Riddle Sideways: well, also reminding us not to add meanings during the recording of a dream
Zen (Zen Arado): yes, not jumping at meanings with left brain
Zen (Zen Arado): allowing them to develop
Agatha Macbeth: Sticking its oar in
Zen (Zen Arado): am starting to get that now
Zen (Zen Arado): having some patientience
Zen (Zen Arado): Dragon said patients
Zen (Zen Arado): Dragon is stupid
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it wants to be a doctor
Zen (Zen Arado): :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Dragon and the homophones
Zen (Zen Arado): I have a couple of fragments from last night
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like a band
Zen (Zen Arado): it's funny but I seem to dream Tuesday nights
Agatha Macbeth: Must be our inspiration
Zen (Zen Arado): it's as if my subconscious knows I need a dream
Zen (Zen Arado): not Tuesday nights Tuesday mornings should say
Agatha Macbeth: Well if it doesn't who does?
Zen (Zen Arado): maybe this one is more interesting
Zen (Zen Arado): 16 June 2019 Lagrima
I am back in the 19th century and I want to play a guitar piece called ‘Lagrima’ by Spanish composer called Tarrega. But I seem to need permission and I have to go to this building that has lots of narrow stairways, and walk up and down different levels to talk to old men in Victorian costume as they discuss whether they should give me permission or not. Then I play the piece in a concert.
Zen (Zen Arado): done
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): does Lagrima mean "tear" (as in teardrop)?
Zen (Zen Arado): yes Alma
Zen (Zen Arado): in Spanish
Agatha Macbeth: Lacrime Christi
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): is it a real piece by a real composer?
Zen (Zen Arado): yes comes from the Latin
Zen (Zen Arado): yes I used to be able to play it
Zen (Zen Arado): it isn't too difficult
Agatha Macbeth: Zen Segovia
Agatha Macbeth: Move over John Williams
Zen (Zen Arado): Tarrega was a 19 century guitarist and composer
Zen (Zen Arado): he composed many delightful little pieces for classical guitar
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): nice that you got to play the piece in the dream :)
Zen (Zen Arado): yes :-)
Zen (Zen Arado): I only ever played in one students concert in real life
Zen (Zen Arado): perhaps the dream is some kind of wish fulfilment or something
Agatha Macbeth: One more than me
Tura Brezoianu: what does it mean that you needed permission to play the piece?
Zen (Zen Arado): I don't know
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): copyright?
Zen (Zen Arado): maybe I wasn't good enough to play it properly
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): did they give you permission, or did they say no and you played it anyway?
Zen (Zen Arado): I looked up the composer on Wikipedia and found that he was in London in 1881 and was very depressed with the weather when he wrote the piece
Zen (Zen Arado): I think they gave permission but I had to see a few different men first
Agatha Macbeth: Good job he wasn't in Manchester
Agatha Macbeth: Would probably have killed himself
Zen (Zen Arado): or Carrickfergus
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): so you were good enough to play it properly :)
Zen (Zen Arado): 's yes I could play it properly but as I say it it isn't difficult, it's a beginners piece
Tura Brezoianu: Sounds a bit like dealing with the medical profession to get the treatment that you need.
Zen (Zen Arado): yes
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): have to prove you are sick enough
Zen (Zen Arado): I do get dreams about playing guitars very often
Zen (Zen Arado): probably because I can't do that now and wish I could
Zen (Zen Arado): I watched a young woman play beautifully on YouTube two or three weeks ago and she made it look so easy
Zen (Zen Arado): maybe that's what triggered it this time
Agatha Macbeth: I always widhed I could play the piano
Zen (Zen Arado): just a young woman about 20 and yet she must have such strong hands which I haven't
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Zen (Zen Arado): I wasn't meaning to post about my guitar playing because I was never very good though I practised very hard for a long time
Zen (Zen Arado): boast
Zen (Zen Arado): the concert in the dream was very vague I just walked out onto the stage sat down and started playing and woke up
Zen (Zen Arado): times up I guess
Zen (Zen Arado): plenty of other things to do in life
Zen (Zen Arado): to keep playing guitar you have to keep practising and it can be boring as I'm sure you know
Agatha Macbeth: Practice makes perfect
Riddle Sideways: Classical guitar takes lots of continual practice. Rock does not
Zen (Zen Arado): yes maybe but I think some Guitarists in top rock groups put plenty of practice in to be able to do great guitar solos
Agatha Macbeth: Acoustic is a lot harder than electric I think
Zen (Zen Arado): it's the old Confucian Wu Wei idea isn't it?
Agatha Macbeth: Play by not playing?
Riddle Sideways: ah
Riddle Sideways: so
Zen (Zen Arado): you practice until you don't need to think anymore
Tura Brezoianu: try really hard until you don't need to try
Agatha Macbeth: Butcher Ding on the guitar
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I'm very good at not trying to play the guitar
Zen (Zen Arado): yes
Riddle Sideways: yes
Zen (Zen Arado): I just butchered the guitar :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): in fact, there are many instruments that I am very good at not trying to play :)
Zen (Zen Arado): electric guitars you don't have to press so hard on the frets
Riddle Sideways: have 4 guitars within easy reach. should remember to dust them
Agatha Macbeth: I'm OK on a kazoo
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I spend several hours a day not trying to play the guitar
Riddle Sideways: yes
Zen (Zen Arado): I can play guitar on a DAW
Zen (Zen Arado): that's a lot easier
Zen (Zen Arado): but it doesn't really sound as good as a real guitar
Riddle Sideways: DAW is gathering dust too
Agatha Macbeth: Jack?
Zen (Zen Arado): digital audio workstation
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Zen (Zen Arado): software synthesisers
Agatha Macbeth: Like photoshop but with sound then
Riddle Sideways: yes
Zen (Zen Arado): surprised Dragon got that :-)
Agatha Macbeth: It's smarter dan you tink
Riddle Sideways: ㋡
Zen (Zen Arado): yes it's a bit like that to me
Agatha Macbeth: Dragons should stick what they're good at - breathing fire and hoarding gold
Zen (Zen Arado): I get lost in the details of graphics programs
Zen (Zen Arado): just so many options
Agatha Macbeth: Use Paint - it doesn't have any :p
Zen (Zen Arado): same with the DAWS
Agatha Macbeth: Riders on the storm
Zen (Zen Arado): I have been using ableton live for nearly 6 years and still learning new things
Riddle Sideways: love dat
Riddle Sideways: meant Riders
Zen (Zen Arado): the doors?
Riddle Sideways: yes
Agatha Macbeth: You know that it would be untrue
Riddle Sideways: When the Music's over .... turn out the lights
Zen (Zen Arado): You know that it would be a lie
Zen (Zen Arado): if I were to say to you hey girl we couldn't get much higher
Agatha Macbeth hits ctrl-x
Zen (Zen Arado): I prefer José Feliciano version
Riddle Sideways: thought you wold ;)
Agatha Macbeth: He was blind wasn't he?
Zen (Zen Arado): not sure
Riddle Sideways: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Thought so
Agatha Macbeth: Like Rodrigo
Zen (Zen Arado): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUkIkRmUr0Y
Agatha Macbeth: And Jim Croce's son too I think
Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes
Zen (Zen Arado): not a great recording but hey
Agatha Macbeth: Hey
Zen (Zen Arado): got to go
Agatha Macbeth: Dream well Zenny
Zen (Zen Arado): thanks for coming
Zen (Zen Arado): byee
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): tc Zen
Zen (Zen Arado) is offline.
Riddle Sideways: ok, off to search for RL
Riddle Sideways: is there one
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe you'll miss it with luck
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): only in your dreams
Riddle Sideways: to Dream, perchance to
Agatha Macbeth: Or something
Tura Brezoianu: thanks all, goodnight
Riddle Sideways: by All
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): bye all, have a dreamy week
Agatha Macbeth: Bysie bye
Agatha Macbeth: Think I'll fly home
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