28 - Happiness and other states

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    There were only four logs in this scribing period (yay for February!) so I will quote from each.

    SL or "Life's a mystery and its ways are long and twisty" 

    Adelene Dawner: It seems like this practice can be pretty powerful, too - the first few months I was living in the quad lion av, it felt *weird* to be walking on two feet when I wasn't here. ^.^
    Udge Watanabe: mmhmm :)
    Tarmel Udimo: grins
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Fael Illyar: Yes, it can have all kinds of effects
    Fael Illyar: better choose carefully what you become here :)
    Adelene Dawner does ^.^
    Tarmel Udimo: yes sometimes switching back to speech after using chat is weird
    Udge Watanabe: do you find yurself really missing IM in RL? being able to hold two levels of conversations at once?
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes:)
    Fael Illyar: oh, interesting, I haven't noticed missing IM in RL :)
    Adelene Dawner: It's happened ^.^
    Scathach Rhiadra recently signed up for yahoo messenger, but it is not the same:)
    Fael Illyar: yes, using yahoo messenger doesn't conjure up your avatar in SL :)
    Udge Watanabe: no, not at all. I tried several flavours of chat before SL, none held my interset for more than a few days or even hours
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Fael Illyar: which affects you even if you just IM
    Tarmel Udimo: also wander if it mainly attarcts a lot of singles:-)
    Fael Illyar: Before, I've used different chats for primarily practical purposes.
    Tarmel Udimo: otherwise how could we spend so much time here:-)
    Fael Illyar: none of them can be really compared to what SL does
    Fael Illyar: and my first idea of SL, when I heard of it was "Just a chat with 3d candy, what's the big deal?" :P
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Udge Watanabe: we are a distinct subset of hte world population. We have computers and a lot of spare time, and a fluency in reading and writing, and would rather read than watch TV. That makes us quite odd.
    Tarmel Udimo: little did you know fael^.^
    Fael Illyar: Yes, you have to experience it to get it
    Adelene Dawner grins at Udge.
    Scathach Rhiadra nods at Udge
    Udge Watanabe nods. that was my impression too. It took _years_ between SL first crossing my radar and my thinking "I might try that"
    Tarmel Udimo: love DVD's
    Fael Illyar: well, if it was just reading, the chats would do just fine ;)
    Udge Watanabe: yes, that was about us rather than about SL
    Scathach Rhiadra: we need to be in each others presence too
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Fael Illyar: the feeling of persence took my by surprise.
    Fael Illyar: presence
    Tarmel Udimo: my little friends:-)

    roots of unhappiness 

    Lia Rikugun: i have a question
    Lia Rikugun: why are people so unhappy?
    Lia Rikugun: is it because they are so afraid to change things
    Lia Rikugun: they think in specific structures
    Susi Alcott: people have different needs
    Scathach Rhiadra: or of changes happening to them, outside their control maybe
    Lia Rikugun: and labels
    Susi Alcott: not at all can get them fullfilled


    Pema Pera: An interesting challenge is to remain happy while working to improve terribly unhappy circumstances, like the Dalai Lama does . . . .
    Fael Illyar: yes, being sad is not the same as being unhappy.
    Europe Alchemi: Agree Pema
    quen Oh: I was amazed to see how many people outside US were closely watching that I raised to hear the acceptance speech
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Pema Pera: there can be deeply underlying happiness, beyond personal or impersonal, yet acknowledgment of unhappiness that needs to be confronted

    Pema Pera: on a more relative level 

    Multiple chemical sensitivity 

    Zen Arado: I find I come back to myself more and more often the more I practice
    Zen Arado: especially if I have strong emotions
    Pema Pera: can you give an example?
    Zen Arado: I am noticing my jealousies and working with them at the moment
    Zen Arado: no one else here ever gets jealous ?
    Udge Watanabe: heh
    Aurora Kitaj: Yes for me :(
    Zen Arado: it is a form of anger I thnk
    Zen Arado: and resistance to what just is
    Auroras Graves: trying to spent more time with friends in the RL, the winter is getting everyone down around here
    Pema Pera: where is "here" Auroras?
    Zen Arado: why does winter get us down?
    slack7639 Gigamon: i have no jealousy
    Zen Arado: it is just a season?
    Auroras Graves: Switzerland, almost no sun for ages
    Zen Arado: maybe you don't notice it though ?
    Aurora Kitaj: seasonal affective disorder?
    Udge Watanabe: well, no, it is also a physiological response to changes in sunlight and temperature and humidity
    Zen Arado: slack?
    Zen Arado: that is my experience
    Zen Arado: as I meditate more
    Udge Watanabe: at laest in many parts of the world :)
    slack7639 Gigamon: um
    Auroras Graves: we are lacking Vitamin D and the hormones that our brains built when we are seeing light
    Udge Watanabe nods
    slack7639 Gigamon: can u give me an example? what are you jealous of?
    Auroras Graves: even a Buddist friend is at edge (and that is saying something)
    Zen Arado: so people in Norway are more depressed than people in Southern zones?
    Auroras Graves: they are using light therapy to simulate the natural spectrum of the sunlight
    Zen Arado: I lived in Australia for a long time and got depressed there too :)


    Exemplifying we don't get set in our ways 

    Pema Pera: Hi everyone! We're very spread out today :)
    Pila Mulligan: maybe we are prepared for additional arrivals :)
    Eliza Madrigal: We're scattered around today :)
    Pila Mulligan: indeed :)
    Pema Pera: yes, I was surprised too
    Myna Maven: :)
    Pema Pera: we don't get set in our way, clearly!
    Pila Mulligan: Pema Pera: Hi everyone! We're very spread out today :) == great minds follow the same paths
    Eliza Madrigal: Clearly :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hah
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Susi Alcott: maybe our ego has grown up so much that we need more space around :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah collective ego...we're bouncing around in it?
    Pila Mulligan: or, as Daniel Boone said, elbow room
    Pema Pera: :)
    Susi Alcott: (made the lovline triangel after his arrival)
    Pila Mulligan: the studies of the sensory distinctions between urban and rural dwellers can be interesting
    Pila Mulligan: urban dwellers are much more sensitive to object proximity it seems
    Myna Maven: Hmm, I'm an urban dweller for decades. But spent childhood years split between the city and the desert.

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    Threedee Shepherd: hiya, there is wireless where I am. A bit slow,but adequate
    Adelene Dawner: Hi, Buddha ^.^
    Squee: What have I always believed?
    Pila Mulligan: welcome to the slow wireless club 3D
    buddha Nirvana: Hi threedee :
    Eliza Madrigal: A delay can add breath to a conversation, right ? :)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pila Mulligan: the soul thrives in stillness :)
    Pema Pera: as opposed to being all wired up!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Myna Maven: :)
    Pema Pera: wireless . . . off the leash?
    Threedee Shepherd: or temporal breadth, as the case may be ;>
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: 'temporal breadth' ... since techological metaphors are popular, 3D, I wonder if different moments of time can have different bandwidths? so to speak ...
    Threedee Shepherd: I am reading the book "coming of age in SL" he makes the point that the ability to be in open chat and multiple IMs at the same time is unique
    Pila Mulligan: a new human skill?
    Eliza Madrigal: I find it difficult still...
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_ > if different moments of time can have different bandwidths? so to speak ...
    Pema Pera: What I found more difficult to learn was to use chat and voice at the same time
    Pema Pera: but by now I am quite used to that too
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Eliza Madrigal: Not ready to think about that one... :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hah
    Pema Pera: in our astronomy meetings we frequently mix voice and text, and then of course there are the IMs coming in (for me some of them in Japanese, so I have to switch fonts frequently)
    Adelene Dawner: That's no surprise, Pem - text and voice use two different parts of the brain - it's not common to be used to juggling those two. (Yet? ^.^)
    Susi Alcott: 'back then' some could have several phones online at the same time
    Eliza Madrigal: I suppose this does take multitasking to a new level..need more compartments
    Eliza Madrigal: Maybe dealing with diff. people and diff. subjects are diff. kinds of time also...different paces..all at once
    Threedee Shepherd: A point about simultaneous chat and IM is that you can be participating in the same conversation topic at entirely different levels
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: yes, I've had that happen, Three
    Threedee Shepherd: In terms of thought that kind of parallel processing is close to how the brain actually works
    Pila Mulligan: body language is missing in SL, maybe IM helps fill that void
    Pila Mulligan: not with the same information, just as filling a vacant space :)
    Susi Alcott: there's also many animations to be much body language :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Would make sense. In day to day life, I've been trying to notice when I am multitasking to an extreme and slow it down
    Threedee Shepherd: The lack of body language--much of which is not intentional--makes the use of words more potent, I think.
    Eliza Madrigal: But here is required in order to flow even slightely naturally
    Adelene Dawner nods at Three.
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, agree Three
    Squee: There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. 

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