22-24 - Eos Appreciates


    2009.07.22 01:00 - Me & the Birds


    No one came, no one left, no one wept and no one laughed. All in all a very quiet night, apart from the rain falling outside my balcony door!  - Tarmel

    2009.07.22 07:00 - Languages & Cultures of Kindness


    Eliza Madrigal: Usually I wake up thinking about something... a theme for the day. Today it is kindness :) 

    Eliza Madrigal: The reason I thought about kindness this morning, is that in the Harry Potter film (cant remember if the line was in the book), 
    Eliza Madrigal: At one point in the film Dumbledore tells Harry that he is unfailingly kind, and remarks that it is a quality not appreciated by most... 

    Eliza Madrigal: So it seems there needs to be an intention toward openness, which does seem to require something like kindness to operate 
    Eliza Madrigal: Otherwise we end up with a more rude society, which would be ironic considering the vast potential of the internet             

    Sophia Placebo: newton said that for each act there is a counter act , equal in magnitude opposite in direction right ? 
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes cause and effect 
    sophia Placebo: kindess is the same , it is an act and its effect is a counter act to you or to thers 
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, yes. So you believe it has effects even if they are not immediately seen? 
    sophia Placebo: sure 
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I do too 
    Eliza Madrigal: At least that is the way I try to live... 
    sophia Placebo: but i wouldnt wait or look for that effect 
    Eliza Madrigal smiles 
    sophia Placebo: i wouldnt even expect a pay back kind of thing 


    Eliza Madrigal: Sophia made an interesting point : i think kindness if applied as a means for social openness it would become like a manner or tradition , but if kindness perceived as philosophy or as concept accepted and appreciated individually then yes it would make a diffrence 
    sophia Placebo: and eliza asked :[7:32] Eliza Madrigal: hm, yes. Anytime we try to capture something and set it up as a 'standard' it can lose some value? 


    Pema Pera: yes, I can see that -- it is much better if everyone (or even some people) would try to be personally engaged rather than following rules 
    Eliza Madrigal nods 
    Pema Pera: but even so, rules can have a very positive influence 
    Pema Pera: I'm always reminded of that, when I visit Japan 
    Pema Pera: In a Starbucks in Japan, the people behind the cash register look you in the eye, they smile, they pay attention, they really are there and willing to communicate 
    Eliza Madrigal: That makes a difference, I'd imagine, in the whole day 
    Pema Pera: and when I go back to New York, half the time those people in the same role are looking at their co-workers and continuing their conversation while ignoring their client even though they are counting out the money for them 
    Pema Pera: always a shock that lasts a few days before I get used to it again . . . . 
    sophia Placebo: the spirit of that joy is still living in Japanese culture ? 
    Pema Pera: oh yes, Sophia, very much so 
    sophia Placebo: wonderfull! 
    Pema Pera: appreciation for details, in everything, from electronic manifacturing to wrapping a present 
    Pema Pera: and receiving a little present: they actually use chakras, probably without being aware of it 
    Pema Pera: when receiving a present you bow slightly and bring the present to your forehead, and then you straighten and hold the present in from of your heart 
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh! Nice!! 
    Pema Pera: clearly connected with chi/prana energy centers 
    Pema Pera: you can feel it 
    sophia Placebo: so higly appreciation gesture 
    Pema Pera: but it's part of their gestures, like shaking hands, I'm sure they don't think about it, but I'm equally sure they do feel it  
     Eliza Madrigal: The little things. Our life is full of them and yet we rush by 

    Pema Pera: unless forced to, or willing to adapt to foreigners; normally they bow 
    Pema Pera: the connections are energetic, through gestures, not physical

    Eliza: Shared a little moment here which sticks out to my memory as strongly as a significant holiday might! :)

    Eliza Madrigal: I was paying my son's fees one day at his school, and the lady behind the counter and I bowed kind of instinctively. It was such a sweet moment... out of nowhere. I hardly knew her :)

    Pema Pera: ... in Japan "watch out" or "take care" literally is said as "use your chi" -- chi is not an exotic word, it's as ordinary as water or stone :) 
    Pema Pera: so they're quite good at pinning it down, traditionally, to a large extent :-) 
    Pema Pera: to begin to feel an affection for someone is in Japanese to let someone into your chi -- many expressions like that 
    Pema Pera: ("chi" is the Chinese word; in Japanese it is "ki") 


    Pema Pera: oh, I'm not implying that Japanese as a whole are more kind; rather that their language offers them a tool to talk/think/work with energy 
    Pema Pera: and that their training forces them to pay a lot more attention to each other than in most other countries, which is a condition for the possibility of appreciation -- not a cause, but it sure helps 


    2009.07.22 13:00 - You Say Yes, I Say No


    Questa Blackheart: How about "change" as a topic?
    Questa Blackheart: I have just been told I will likely be made redundant.
    Questa Blackheart: The thing I find quite amusing is that most people look sympathetic and ask me if I'm OK.
    Fox Monacular: from my experience with immigrants I find that women seem to tolerate change better than men...?
    Fefonz Quan: somehow women tend to be more emotionally flexible than Men. maybe they are not expected to be 'tough' all teh time

    Fox Monacular: perhaps it has something to do with the fact that women go through intense physical changes... when have babies for example

    Mickorod Renard: men build their castles of security,,if u know what i mean,,and dont like having to recalculate the risks all over again
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Fefonz Quan: yes, moving a castle is harder than a tent :)

    Fox Monacular: it's also cultural.. for men sometimes it's seen as weakness to express emotions
    Fefonz Quan: right.
    Fefonz Quan: but then, when the wind blows hard, the tough trees break while the flexible ones bend till it is over
    Mickorod Renard: expresing emotions of anger are expected of men,,and when they do, they are critisized for it
    Fox Monacular: yes, so resistance is futile really
    Eliza Madrigal: So women are Palm trees?

    Eliza Madrigal: we were talking a little this morning about how language affects culture, etc. also. So a word like 'kindness' is thought to be weak' or a female quality when it takes much strength inwardly/security to be kind.

    Mickorod Renard: I came to realise that the regular person I had debate with was happy to become aggressive with me,,now I record the situation and for some reason they dont want to carry on with the debate..weird

    2009.07.22 19:00 - Architects and Scientists and labels


    stevenaia Michinaga: I was just finishing leftovers from dinner with Adams, Wol, and Fefonz last night
    Pema Pera: It was such a pleasure to meet Wol in Germany, last month
    stevenaia Michinaga: the most interesting thing I have found is accents don't make themselves evident in Sl w/o voice
    stevenaia Michinaga: it adds so much to hear someone
    stevenaia Michinaga: aside from leaving your avatar in sl
    Pema Pera: yes, it is like final meeting the poet, after having read some of her poetry
    stevenaia Michinaga: or hearing them read their own work
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: each PaB session is in some sense a joint piece of poetry
    stevenaia Michinaga: it was striking the similarities amongst us, all work in some kind of visual field and each has an appreciation for complex databases

    2009.07.23 01:00

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    2009.07.23 07:00 - The "If" Koan


    genesis Zhangsun: so my tendency is to get a bit obsessive
    genesis Zhangsun: I take an idea and my mind chews on it
    genesis Zhangsun: far too long
    genesis Zhangsun: perhaps even until it has turned to dust :)
    genesis Zhangsun: so meditation allows me to let go of that usual thinking pattern
    genesis Zhangsun: I drop it
    genesis Zhangsun: but it also continues to work in the background
    genesis Zhangsun: but in a slower way
    genesis Zhangsun: more space for thoughts
    genesis Zhangsun: less pressured
    genesis Zhangsun: so while I don't focus on "insight:
    genesis Zhangsun: in my meditation
    genesis Zhangsun: and more "calm"
    genesis Zhangsun: I notice that towards the end
    genesis Zhangsun: sometimes in a very shocking way
    genesis Zhangsun: a little piece of processed information comes to the surface
    genesis Zhangsun: in a very neat, beautiful kind of symbolic way
    genesis Zhangsun: much more understandable than the garble in my head when I believe I am working on something by thinking about it logically/rationally
    genesis Zhangsun: the symbol is very complete
    genesis Zhangsun: capturing all of kinds of things I could never put into words
    genesis Zhangsun: except maybe in poetry
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: these symbols feel very intimate
    genesis Zhangsun: only I could hold them up to myself
    genesis Zhangsun: a therapist could never do it for me
    genesis Zhangsun: the self exploration also has something so relaxed about it
    genesis Zhangsun: I feel trust
    genesis Zhangsun: for the process, for myself, in Being
    Pema Pera: that's a beautiful summary!

    genesis Zhangsun: I suppose the idea is to bring the sitting mentality with you in the movement

    Pema Pera: so how do you "stick with it" without getting too tense?
    Pema Pera: playing without "practicing" and without getting sloppy?
    genesis Zhangsun: I try to think of it like brushing my teeth
    genesis Zhangsun: it is something I do for maintenance
    genesis Zhangsun: I don't try to "add" any extra dimension
    genesis Zhangsun: of ambition
    genesis Zhangsun: or hard discipline

    Pema Pera: can you say more about the notion of "maintenance"? You mean this as opposed to reaching/adding/perfecting, right?
    genesis Zhangsun: I once described it as starting with something as coarse and overblown like a bat to hit a marble
    genesis Zhangsun: eventually you are playing ping pong
    genesis Zhangsun: and then just a flick of your finger
    genesis Zhangsun: than no finger at all

    Pema Pera: what you have just outlined, this whole path from bat to ping pong to flicking to nothing -- all that still has a flavor of a path, a process, a program, a kind of agenda
    Pema Pera: do you think it would be possible to drop EVEN THAT ?             

    Genesis: The "if" koan is something Pema and I have been discussing.  "If" you see then it is enough...what about dropping the "if" condition, what happens? 

    Pema Pera: that's the "if" we have been talking about
    genesis Zhangsun: yes it is
    genesis Zhangsun: the elusive if
    Pema Pera: any path glorifies an "if" -- if you don't take this path it won't work
    Pema Pera: you'll be doomed
    Pema Pera: not enlightened
    Pema Pera: but if you don't take any path, then what -- most likely you're even more stuck
    Pema Pera: so what gives?
    genesis Zhangsun: hmm yes tricky koan
    genesis Zhangsun: still pondering it
    Pema Pera: Stim and I have given it a code name : "Namkhai Norbu's if"

    Pema Pera: If Namkhai Norbu would walk into this room (we were sitting in my office in Princeton)
    Pema Pera: and would join the conversation, the he would likely say something in response to the Time, Space, Knowledge vision
    Pema Pera: "sure, IF you can see what TSK points to, THEN that would be equivalent to chan/zen or dzogchen"
    Pema Pera: meaning that the essence is similar, and that it is all a question of whether or to what extent you get it
    Pema Pera: Now Stim added, cautiously as you know his way:
    Pema Pera: maybe TSK is different. Maybe there is no "if"
    Pema Pera: . . . . . . . . . . . .
    genesis Zhangsun: play as being seems to build off of that precisely

    If we are at the end why practice?
    genesis Zhangsun: why do we practice, why explore using these methods?
    Pema Pera: no reason
    genesis Zhangsun: so if they are not to see better
    genesis Zhangsun: they are to celebrate the seeing?
    Pema Pera: that's the koan

    2009.07.23 13:00 - Remain in Light



    Eos: Pila captures the IF Koan by the tail, knowingly or not, and rides the tiger home

        Shyama Sheryffe: may i ask what is ur approach Pila
        Pila Mulligan: my approach to huna?
        Shyama Sheryffe: to life..lol
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Pila Mulligan: ah, i am happy :)
        Shyama Sheryffe: lol
        Pila Mulligan: seems the easiest thing to do

       Pila Mulligan: i ching is attributed to Fu Xi, maybe 5000 years ago
        Pila Mulligan: it is an excellent teaching tool
        Pila Mulligan: I do not use it as an oracle, that is a lesser role if you ask me
        Shyama Sheryffe: i have tried it sometimes and it was so fitting
        Pila Mulligan: yes, it has that element of being timely
        Shyama Sheryffe: how do u use it then ?
        Pila Mulligan: I begin my day (usually at 4:00 am) with a silent meditation, then an i ching meditation, then tai chi -- takes about an hour
        Pila Mulligan: so I use it as a daily meditation
        Pila Mulligan: and it keeps its timeliness each day, it seems :)

        Shyama Sheryffe: wu wei ?
        Pila Mulligan: wu wei is a popular expression often interpreted as non-action
        Pila Mulligan: it is a little deeper than that however
        Pila Mulligan: it is closer to being in harmony with nature
        Pila Mulligan: not acting, as an alternative to acting
        Pila Mulligan: sometimes it is appropriate not to act, and that is more often than we may think
        Shyama Sheryffe: hm..witnessing
        Pila Mulligan: more going with the flow, letting events happen
        Shyama Sheryffe: nods
        Pila Mulligan: but this involves a much lesser known idea called the dao of i, or the way of change
        Pila Mulligan: the flow of events is described by the dao of i

        Eos Amaterasu: Since we come out of nature, perhaps one approach is to rest in nature's lap
        Pila Mulligan: nature is full of reality, and as Eos just said, it is not just a simple place
        Eos Amaterasu: which is kind of resting in the question
        Pila Mulligan: yes, that is kind of the idea of wu wei, lap resting

       Eos Amaterasu: I think the 9 secs practice is a bit of letting go, not immediately grasping on, answers or intentions or anything
        Pila Mulligan: a lap pause :)
        Eos Amaterasu wonders how far this metaphor (?) will be taken
        Pila Mulligan: several laps at least
        Eos Amaterasu: argh!
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Eos Amaterasu: actually that is a lovely image used in the Dzogchen and Mahamudra traditions:
        Eos Amaterasu: that realization is like the child luminosity returning to the mother luminosity
        Eos Amaterasu: like a child jumping back into its mother's lap

        Eos Amaterasu: how do you find wu wei in your life, PIla?
        Pila Mulligan: this was what we talked about earlier
        Pila Mulligan: wu wei is deeper for me than just non-action
        Eos Amaterasu: non-action is probably as full of surprises as resting in wu wei's lap
        Pila Mulligan: yes, it is a dynamic idea -- it requires consciousness as a consistent activity :)

        Eos Amaterasu: Finding non-action in action is the thing
        Pila Mulligan: yes, the harmonious moment
        Eos Amaterasu: it probably helps to be coming from non-action to the extent there is contrast
        Pila Mulligan: well, there is a lot of contrast, for most people, in our cultures
        Eos Amaterasu: so that as things arise they do so from empty/fullness
        Eos Amaterasu: you think you're falling into the gaps
        Eos Amaterasu: but sometimes you find things rising out of the gaps

        Eos Amaterasu: sudden turns are also in there (witness Gretzky, Zidane, Bird....)
        Pila Mulligan: [Michael Jordan] could tell when the nature of the game shifted and he surfed it with strong chi
        Pila Mulligan: there is a chinese term 'dragging your wheels'
        Pila Mulligan: that is to avoid letting the ground get out from under you :)
        Eos Amaterasu: nice image!
        Pila Mulligan: so MJ would drag his wheels when the flow was contrary, then let them loose when the time came

        Eos Amaterasu: so you churn into your actual experience, rather than trying to avoid it
        Eos Amaterasu: and if you churn with empty hands/wheels
        Eos Amaterasu: you get into the whole field
        Pila Mulligan: yes, that is where wu wei likes to stay, in the whole field

        Pila Mulligan: and a great deal of it is done with breathing :)
        Eos Amaterasu: What would you suggest re breathing in terms of the 9 secs, if anything?
        Pila Mulligan: a deep breath takes me about 20 seconds
        Pila Mulligan: so do a full breath, however long it takes
        Eos Amaterasu: You also kind of perceive with your breath (especially the "per" part)
        Pila Mulligan: yes
        Pila Mulligan: that is the light of the breath
        Pila Mulligan: it is the connection to the interrelatedness, the light

        Eos Amaterasu: "Remain in Light" (Talking Heads album)

    2009.07.23 19:00 - Opening the mind's eye


    Playing with the 9-second pause - What's the magic word? 

    Sylectra Darwin: Solobill, pretend I am a complete newbie.
    Solobill Laville: Ah, er, OK
    Sylectra Darwin: Tell me why I would want to try the practice.
    Solobill Laville: Often we miss what is right in front of us
    Solobill Laville: And often it is quite beautiful

    Solobill Laville: Pema said something a few weeks back
    Solobill Laville: about sitting on the edge of the Grand Canyon
    Solobill Laville: If all you think about is how much you want a hamburger, you won't see it

    Sylectra Darwin: Monkey mind, isn't that one way to describe it?
    Solobill Laville: oh, yes
    Sylectra Darwin: I like to think of it as monkey mind - because it seems a comical and loving way of thinking about it.

    Sylectra Darwin: I do best when I have a gentle sense of humor about my states of distraction, like, Oh, there goes my silly mind, racing ahead of the present again. Hi! Come on back!

    Eos Amaterasu: It would be interesting to buld it into social situations
    Eos Amaterasu: (like the one we're in)
    Eos Amaterasu: I was just recalling another analogy to what we're doing that came up in another session - the 5 times daily call to prayer in Islam.
    Eos Amaterasu: Or more mundanely like as part of meeting structures.
    Eos Amaterasu: where you say ahead of time there will be little gaps.

    Pila Mulligan: there is something somewhat similar to the 9 second pause in I Ching chapter 31, and I've done that one for many years -- no one has ever noticed it (the pause) in a social setting as far as I can tell.
    Pila Mulligan: the second yao (verse) of gua (chapter) 31 in the I ching says if you feel an influence on your calf, tarry to avoid misfortune -- it has to do with balance.
    Pila Mulligan: so when I feel it i pause
    Pila Mulligan: no one notices :)
    Eos Amaterasu wonders if that is like the drag of the wheels (discussed in previous session) that gets you "into the field"
    Pila Mulligan: it is not mystical :)
    Pila Mulligan: maybe Eos, I had not thought of it, but it could be

    Sylectra Darwin: It's sort of the opposite of that game on PeeWee's Playhouse where, if he says the secret word, everybody cheers.
    Sylectra Darwin: I think the idea was something which would come up unexpectedly or randomly in conversation.
    Eos Amaterasu: a friend of mine had a parrot that said, "wake up!"
    Sylectra Darwin: Good one.
    Solobill Laville: nice
    Eos Amaterasu: (I guess we could script that in SL :-)

    2009.07.24 01:00 - At the point of sleep.....


    Scathach Rhiadra: you have an interest in the process of dreaming Bertrum, do you know anything about the transition from conscious to unconscious in sleep? 
    Bertrum Quan: Are you thinking about moving between sleep and no consciousness? 
    Scathach Rhiadra: maybe, or actually being aware of the process of losing consciousness, like external senses, then internal senses closing down as it were, but still fully aware, if that makes sense 
    Bertrum Quan: Yes, intuitively, I think that's possible. But in terms of the neuroscience, I don't know. I did witness something along the lines that you are suggesting. I witnessed the final moments of someone on their deathbed. They were deeply unconscious--not responseive to any stimulation, cold (losing oxygen and turning blue) and yet at the moment of death (perhaps for a few seconds beyond), they suddenly came to consciousness--essentially bid farewell. What you suggest, is what I believe I observed, 

    Bertrum Quan: I'm just not sure entering the sleep state equals entering a state of no consciousness. What's interesting about the sleep state is how memory functions for most of us. That is to say, there are large segments we don't recall. But that does not equate in my mind with a lack of counsciousness. 

    Scathach Rhiadra: well, exploring may not be the word I would use, it is a sort of accidental exploration 
    Scathach Rhiadra: it started with something Wol mentioned, a full anaestethic, during which I 'woke up', but had no sesnse of being located anywhere, or having a body 
    Wol Euler: ooooh 
    Wol Euler: tell us more? 
    Scathach Rhiadra: it was just like being aware, but not of anything, there were not thoughts or feelings. then I became aware of sound, like murmuring, still no location or direction. 

    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, but there seems to be a remnant which carried over to to the sleeping process, or the going to sleep part. Instead of drifting off to sleep as normal, sometimes I just don't lose awareness during the process 
    Scathach Rhiadra: it is usually when my mind is very still anyway, so not much thinking 

    Bertrum Quan: How has this experience changed you? added to your understanding of consciousness? of reality? 
    Scathach Rhiadra: I suppose is has made me think that being conscious is not the fundamental state we think it is, there is something more basic to our nature 
    Scathach Rhiadra: maybe it encompasses consciousness, like it is there all the time, even if we are not aware of it, and consciousness/unconsciousness can arise within it or from it 
    Scathach Rhiadra: and certainly thought or feelings or perceptions are part of what I call consciousness, but there is still this awareness that is very alive, maybe not the right word, but difficult to describe 
    Bertrum Quan: Yes, I think I know what you mean. 
    Scathach Rhiadra: anyway, it is just a curiosity I suppose, I just never knew what to do with it, if anything, the sleep experience I mean 

    2009.07.24 07:00 - Identify, re-identify... un-identify?


    quen Oh: funny that in SL we know that what we see is individual, dependent on pc, graphics card, your sl-viewer and so on
    quen Oh: in rl it is too I think, but less evident

    quen Oh: interesting Eliza. APAPB-exerise?
    Eliza Madrigal: I was hesitant at first, but it seemed like the space opened for it now
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, sitting with 'appreciating the presence of appearance as a presentation by Being" ... hehe sounded so complicated to my brain at first

    Eliza Madrigal: SL at first was a great enhancement to practice... had been sitting a lot but access to teachings seemed far away. Then SL and a flood of teachings to sort, but then sitting and reading dwindled. 'Balance' doesn't seem exciting goal though .. guess one can drawn a bit to the excitement of extremes.

    Eliza Madrigal: for me at least, is helpful to realize even when I 'think' I'm getting 'ahold' of things, I'm actually not.
    Eliza Madrigal: and rest
    Eliza Madrigal: inwardly
    sophia Placebo: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: "there's nothing I can do" can be a liberating place?

    Yidam Nightfire: Sl gives us opportunties to re-identify ourselves ...a common technique in therapy i'm told
    sophia Placebo: hmm
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm
    sophia Placebo: to identify something is to put the borders for it
    sophia Placebo: you can't frame what you cant see though
    Eliza Madrigal: So, what would the borders be for the naked friend ?

    sophia Placebo: you might see nothing here or in rl sometimes ^^ clarity moments are so precious and few , sustaining them is what meditation is about i guess


    2009.07.24 13:00 - Fear as cause for suffering

    Bertram Jacobus: could one say, that irony, in general, is good or bad ? - sry
    Fael Illyar: I do find it pretty ironic that being afraid of certain things is the number one way to make them happen.
    Fefonz Quan: similar to doubting the placebo effect :)
    Fael Illyar: yep, being afraid that the pill doesn't work makes that more likely it doesn't :)

    Fael Illyar: fear comes from believing that what you fear will happen.
    Fefonz Quan: and from un-willingness to accept that option

    Wol Euler: one can definitely fear the future, things that have not happened yet
    Lia Rikugun: because as for me usually when i am in the situation i feared i can think clearly
    Wol Euler: (unless you want a different word for that?)
    Fael Illyar: the fear we imagine is usually worse than the fear of the actual situation.

    Fefonz Quan: i believe fear is of the things most driving us and giving us suffering.
    sophia Placebo: im suffering
    Fefonz Quan: can you say more Sophia?
    sophia Placebo: rl stuff , i need to boss many poeple
    sophia Placebo: im not good boss
    Wol Euler nods
    Fefonz Quan: why not?
    Wol Euler: could you learn to be a better one?
    sophia Placebo: i turn to a monster
    sophia Placebo: fear of failure is what makes me suffer , i don't like to think as a fauilure and i don't to give that sensation to others whom i would boss, but it is a habit and i keep trying to not bring it up until i explode one day
    sophia Placebo: what i would do to people is what i fear

    Fael Illyar: The courage to be is the courage to accept oneself, in spite of being unacceptable - Paul Tillich


    2009.07.24 19:00 - Science and Reality


    Resting Thor: dakini was explaining pab's scientific approach to knowing 
    Vajra Radikal: sounds interesing 
    Resting Thor: i suppose she was going to tell me what science is and what is knowable ? 

    Pema Pera: for me the core of science is not math, or quantitative measurements, important as those two sure are 
    Pema Pera: but rather the notion of "radical conservatism" 
    Pema Pera: you get brownie points both for radical new ideas and for showing those to be wrong :-) 
    Pema Pera: including sometimes showing yourself to be wrong 

    Pema Pera: working with a working hypothesis 
    Pema Pera: such as "playing as Being is a worthwhile way to get deeper insight into reality" 

    Pema Pera: we are radical and conservative 
    Pema Pera: radical in talking about Being and skipping preliminary stages, common in most traditions 
    Pema Pera: we are conservative in not taking anything for granted, wanting to really test everything 
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