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    2009.07.22 01:00 - Me & the Birds

    http://playasbeing.wik.is/index.php?title=Chat_Logs/2009/07/2009.07.22_-_01:00_-_Me_%26_the_Birds 


    No one came, no one left, no one wept and no one laughed. All in all a very quiet night, apart from the rain falling outside my balcony door!  - Tarmel




    2009.07.22 07:00 - Languages & Cultures of Kindness

    http://playasbeing.wik.is/index.php?title=Chat_Logs/2009/07/2009.07.22_-_Languages_%26_Cultures_of_Kindness 

    Eliza Madrigal: Usually I wake up thinking about something... a theme for the day. Today it is kindness :) 

    Eliza Madrigal: The reason I thought about kindness this morning, is that in the Harry Potter film (cant remember if the line was in the book), 
    sophia Placebo: i was really angry , then i played with a kid and angry feelings fade away 
    Eliza Madrigal: That will do it :) 
    Eliza Madrigal: At one point in the film Dumbledore tells Harry that he is unfailingly kind, and remarks that it is a quality not appreciated by most... 
    Eliza Madrigal: And this morning I read an article to the same effect.

    The article itself is interesting in a few places, but mostly common sense.   http://www.thesmartset.com/article/article07080901.aspx 

           

    Eliza Madrigal: The article mentioned that people, especially on the internet, can get used to an echo chamber of sorts, and fail to hear or tolerate other ideas 
    sophia Placebo: one saying here is - who would need to opress except the weak 
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, like that! 
    Eliza Madrigal: So bullying is born of insecurity and a feeling of weakness 
    sophia Placebo: i liked the echo chamber image 
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, because we think of the internet as being this 'open' slate.... 
    Eliza Madrigal: but people make it what they want, in a sense 
    Eliza Madrigal: we all do 
    sophia Placebo: true 
    Eliza Madrigal: So it seems there needs to be an intention toward openness, which does seem to require something like kindness to operate 
    Eliza Madrigal: Otherwise we end up with a more rude society, which would be ironic considering the vast potential of the internet 

           

    Sophia Placebo: newtin said that for each act there is a counter act , equal in maltitude oppiste in direction right ? 
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, eys cause and effect 
    Eliza Madrigal: *yes 
    sophia Placebo: kindess is the same , it is an act and its effect is a counter act to you or to thers 
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, yes. So you believe it has effects even if they are not immediately seen? 
    sophia Placebo: sure 
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I do too 
    Eliza Madrigal: At least that is the way I try to live... 
    sophia Placebo: but i wouldnt wait or look for that effect 
    Eliza Madrigal smiles 
    sophia Placebo: i wouldnt even expect a pay back kind of thing 

          

    Eliza Madrigal: Sophia made an interesting point : i think kindness if applied as a mean for social openness it would become like a manner or tradition , but if kindness perceived as philosophy or as concept accepted and appreciated individually then yes it would make a diffrence 
    sophia Placebo: and eliza asked :[7:32] Eliza Madrigal: hm, yes. Anytime we try to capture something and set it up as a 'standard' it can lose some value? 

          

    Pema Pera: yes, I can see that -- it is much better if everyone (or even some people) would try to be personally engaged rather than following rules 
    Eliza Madrigal nods 
    Pema Pera: but even so, rules can have a very positive influence 
    Pema Pera: I'm always reminded of that, when I visit Japan 
    Eliza Madrigal: yes? 
    Eliza Madrigal: As in manners and a general expectation? 
    Pema Pera: In a Starbucks in Japan, the people behind the cash register look you in the eye, they smile, they pay attention, they really are there and willing to communicate 
    Eliza Madrigal: That makes a difference, I'd imagine, in the whole day 
    Pema Pera: and when I go back to New York, half the time those people in the same role are looking at their co-workers and continuing their conversation while ignoring their client even though they are counting out the money for them 
    Pema Pera: always a shock that lasts a few days before I get used to it again . . . . 
       
    sophia Placebo: the spirit of that joy is still living in Japanese culture ? 
    Pema Pera: problems that go very deep . . . . 
    Pema Pera: oh yes, Sophia, very much so 
    sophia Placebo: wonderfull! 
    Pema Pera: appreciation for details, in everything, from electronic manifacturing to wrapping a present 
    Pema Pera: and receiving a little present: they actually use chakras, probably without being aware of it 
    Pema Pera: when receiving a present you bow slightly and bring the present to your forehead, and then you straighten and hold the present in from of your heart 
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh! Nice!! 
    Pema Pera: clearly connected with chi/prana energy centers 
    Pema Pera: you can feel it 
    sophia Placebo: so higly appreciation gesture 
    Pema Pera: but it's part of their gestures, like shaking hands, I'm sure they don't think about it, but I'm equally sure they do feel it  
     Eliza Madrigal: The little things. Our life is full of them and yet we rush by 

    sophia Placebo: ok :)) 
    Pema Pera: unless forced to, or willing to adapt to foreigners; normally they bow 
    Pema Pera: the connections are energetic, through gestures, not physical

    Shared a little moment here which sticks out to my memory as strongly as a significant holiday might! :)


    Eliza Madrigal: I was paying my son's fees one day at his school, and the lady behind the counter and I bowed kind of instinctively. It was such a sweet moment... out of nowhere. I hardly knew her :)

    Pema Pera: ... in Japan "watch out" or "take care" literally is said as "use your chi" -- chi is not an exotic word, it's as ordinary as water or stone :) 
    Pema Pera: so they're quite good at pinning it down, traditionally, to a large extent :-) 
    Pema Pera: to begin to feel an affection for someone is in Japanese to let someone into your chi -- many expressions like that 
    Pema Pera: ("chi" is the Chinese word; in Japanese it is "ki") 

       

    Pema Pera: oh, I'm not implying that Japanese as a whole are more kind; rather that their language offers them a tool to talk/think/work with energy 
    Pema Pera: and that their training forces them to pay a lot more attention to each other than in most other countries, which is a condition for the possibility of appreciation -- not a cause, but it sure helps 

       

    2009.07.22 13:00 - You Say Yes, I Say No

    http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2009/07/2009.07.22_13%3a00_-_You_Say_Yes%2c_I_Say_No 

    Questa Blackheart: How about "change" as a topic?
    Fefonz Quan: please take it on Queasta
    Questa Blackheart: I have just been told I will likely be made redundant.
    Questa Blackheart: The thing I find quite amusing is that most people look sympathetic and ask me if I'm OK.
    Fox Monacular: from my experience with immigrants I find that women seem to tolerate change better than men...?
    Fefonz Quan: somehow women tend to be more emotionally flexible than Men. maybe they are not expected to be 'tough' all teh time

    Fox Monacular: perhaps it has something to do with the fact that women go through intense physical changes... when have babies for example

    Mickorod Renard: men build their castles of security,,if u know what i mean,,and dont like having to recalculate the risks all over again
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Fefonz Quan: yes, moving a castle is harder than a tent :)

    Fox Monacular: it's also cultural.. for men sometimes it's seen as weakness to express emotions
    Fefonz Quan: right.
    Fefonz Quan: but then, when the wind blows hard, the tough trees break while the flexible ones bend till it is over
    Mickorod Renard: expresing emotions of anger are expected of men,,and when they do, they are critisized for it
    Fox Monacular: yes, so resistance is futile really
    Eliza Madrigal: So women are Palm trees?

    Eliza Madrigal: we were talking a little this morning about how language affects culture, etc. also. So a word like 'kindness' is thought to be weak' or a female quality when it takes much strength inwardly/security to be kind.

    Mickorod Renard: I came to realise that the regular person I had debate with was happy to become aggressive with me,,now I record the situation and for some reason they dont want to carry on with the debate..weird



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