2017.07.20 13:00 - Grand Central Constellations, Oneness and Self

The Guardians for this meeting were Eliza and Mick. Eliza posted this session.  It was an open topic session, but as it turns out we naturally discussed The Wisdom of Lived Experience - Views from Psychoanalysis, Neuroscience, Philosophy and Metaphysics.

Eliza Madrigal: Aph!
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Eliza
Aphrodite Macbain: HUgs
Eliza Madrigal: So how did it go? :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Fine thanks!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha
Eliza Madrigal: good to hear, were you nervous?
Aphrodite Macbain: Gruelling 2 hrs but I was successful
Eliza Madrigal: **********Applause!!**********
Agatha Macbeth: Boo
Eliza Madrigal: **********Applause!!**********
Agatha Macbeth: Well done Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: thankyouthankyouthankyou
Eliza Madrigal: what an accomplishment
Aphrodite Macbain: I have to tweak some things, a few edits and then it goess to the library to get bound
Eliza Madrigal: wow :)
Agatha Macbeth: Brucie :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Lord of the squirrels
Eliza Madrigal: we're just hearing about Aph's success
Bruce Mowbray: [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
Aphrodite Macbain splashes Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: ***** APPLAUSE! *****
Aphrodite Macbain: thanks
Bruce Mowbray: yw :)

Aphrodite Macbain: NOW what am I going to do?
Agatha Macbeth: Basket weaving?
Agatha Macbeth: Origami
Eliza Madrigal: breathe
Bruce Mowbray: Learn to yodel?
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Bleu.
Agatha Macbeth: Bleuji x
Aphrodite Macbain: lolololoiii
Bleu Oleander: hi y'all :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: breathe first :)
Aphrodite Macbain takes a deep breath
Agatha Macbeth: Breathe and yodel at the same time
Eliza Madrigal: ...three little goats...
Agatha Macbeth: Baaaa
Aphrodite Macbain: :D

--BELL--

Aphrodite Macbain: mountain goat yodel
Agatha Macbeth: Are we talking the Alps?
Aphrodite Macbain: Aph's Alps
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Pale pink coatherds
Eliza Madrigal: only Aph will be found, and those with her
Agatha Macbeth: (Silly song)
Aphrodite Macbain: coatherds?? lol
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Agatha Macbeth: Well it rhymed I guess so they put it in
Aphrodite Macbain tries to imagine droopy goats hanging around a pasture
Eliza Madrigal: hm, google doesn't seem to be familiar :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick :)
Aphrodite Macbain: silly Google
Agatha Macbeth: Try Julie Andrews
Bleu Oleander: hiya Mick
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya MIck

Agatha Macbeth: What are we going to do with maria
Agatha Macbeth: (Don't answer that)
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, same song!
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Mick
Aphrodite Macbain: throw her off the mountain?
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Agatha Macbeth: I would
Aphrodite Macbain: one of my favourite things...
Eliza Madrigal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2V38Uq4K7I
Mickorod Renard: Hi Folks
Agatha Macbeth: I'll pass thanks

Beginning

Aphrodite Macbain: How did the discussion go on Monday?
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Mick.
Agatha Macbeth: Interestingly
Eliza Madrigal: really nice reports session
Eliza Madrigal: then an added part
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: It was an interesting read
Agatha Macbeth: We live in interesting times it seems
Aphrodite Macbain: more understandable for me than her earlier texts
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt!
Aphrodite Macbain: QT!!
Aphrodite Macbain: Yayy
Bruce Mowbray: My fascination with tragedy is probably the only thing I have in common with Nietzsche.
Aphrodite Macbain: Salve!
Qt Core: Hi all
Bleu Oleander: hi Qt
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Qt!
Mickorod Renard: hi QT
Aphrodite Macbain: Great to see you
Eliza Madrigal: (this is a long song...this goat song)
Eliza Madrigal: Shall we start?
Aphrodite Macbain: a nanny goat of a song
Eliza Madrigal: delightful tho
Aphrodite Macbain: long in the tooth
Bruce Mowbray: Let's start.
Agatha Macbeth tries not to butt in
Eliza Madrigal: Bruce, do the honor? :)
Aphrodite Macbain groans quietly
Bruce Mowbray also groans.
Agatha Macbeth grins like an idiot
Eliza Madrigal: Like to begin, Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: Sure.
Agatha Macbeth: Go for it Brucie

ONE thing

Bruce Mowbray: I've written a very brief report, so here it is...
Aphrodite Macbain: Are you giving reports today as well?
Bruce Mowbray: I continue to be intrigued by the concept of “un-differentiated world-views” and that affects behavior.
Aphrodite Macbain: listens
Bruce Mowbray: It’s surely not a new idea in metaphysics:
Bruce Mowbray: Parmenides taught that “Everything is ONE thing,” and that, for him, was a liberating idea.
Bruce Mowbray: Ram Dass teaches, “Behind all of our melodrama, there is only one of us here.”
Aphrodite Macbain: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Also a liberating idea.
Bruce Mowbray: Both Parmenides and Ram Dass have inclusion at the center of their worldviews.
Bruce Mowbray: Maxine writes about undifferentiated thinking as an entrenched, potentially violent, rigidity toward the “other” (whatever does not conform to my world-view).
Bruce Mowbray: Leo Tolstoy’s Anna Karenina has a philosophy more akin to my own:
Bruce Mowbray: “Since there are as many minds as there are heads, there are also as many kinds of love as there are hearts.” [done]

Eliza Madrigal: beautiful, thanks for the bonus report Bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: nice Bruce - great quotes
Bruce Mowbray: ty... yw.
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Mickorod Renard: great Bruce
Mickorod Renard: I would love to understand more
Bruce Mowbray: (me too, Mick.)

Mickorod Renard: is there a conflict in maxines aproach to your own Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmm. Excellent question, Mick.
Mickorod Renard: or Tolstoys?
Bruce Mowbray: I don't see any conflicts yet.
Bleu Oleander: seems so, was going to ask same
Bruce Mowbray: Tolstoy brings out my romantic side, actually.
Mickorod Renard: I prefer romantic too
Bruce Mowbray: as Nietzsche evokes my tragic side.
Mickorod Renard: yes, a lil blunt
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Eliza Madrigal: Tolstory makes me think both expansively and humbly
Bleu Oleander: . ♥ . ♥ . ♥ . ♥ . ♥ .
Bleu Oleander: many minds, many doesn't seem to say all is one?
Bleu Oleander: . ♥ . ♥ . ♥ . ♥ . ♥ .
Bleu Oleander: don't know how those got there lol
Bruce Mowbray: Right, Bleu.
Eliza Madrigal: accidental love :)
Bruce Mowbray: ♥ ♥ ♥
Bleu Oleander: yikes
Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
Bleu Oleander: . ♥ . ♥ . ♥ . ♥ . ♥ .
Bleu Oleander: too many ... sorry
Agatha Macbeth: Call an ambulance

Aphrodite Macbain: I only read the text once and what struck me was her inclusion of poetry as a sign for usefully using the right brain as well as the left. It remains open for interpretation and not an absolute truth. Accessible, perhaps, to many minds and cultures.
Bruce Mowbray: Great, Aph. I was hoping we'd discuss various means of reconciliation today.
Aphrodite Macbain: What did you all think of her discussion of poetry?
Aphrodite Macbain: Great
Bruce Mowbray: I liked and agreed with it.

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: Poetry is an interesting one
Agatha Macbeth: (Can't spell that word!)
Aphrodite Macbain: It is creative and playful, perhaps
Bruce Mowbray: btw, we're overdue for a poetry reading in PaB . . . Hopefully at our next anniversary....
Agatha Macbeth: Verbal *and* creative
Aphrodite Macbain: Prose seems to be about absolute truth
Eliza Madrigal: I share her sensibilities I think
Bruce Mowbray nods.

Qt Core: both trying to write poetically if not poetry and expressing myself in english sometimes make my bypass some innate filter i have and say thing i normally would not say
Aphrodite Macbain: I will organize that next year Bruce, if you like.
Bruce Mowbray: ahhhhh. Sounds great, Qt.
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Qt :)
Bleu Oleander: there is both beautiful pros and beautiful poetry ... and not all of either is beautiful or truth
Agatha Macbeth: Great to see you
Aphrodite Macbain: true
Qt Core: hi aga
Aphrodite Macbain: somehow poetry seems less absolute
Aphrodite Macbain: oops
Qt Core: (like the brain power i use to censore myself in italian is used for translation and not censorship ;-)
Bleu Oleander: depends on the poetry
Bleu Oleander: nothing is absolute
Bruce Mowbray: [unless you have a very "un-differentiated" view of either prose or poetry -- as one of my college profs did.]
Mickorod Renard: grin
Bruce Mowbray: :)

Aphrodite Macbain: what do you think of Maxine's stress on poetry as an action of the right brain, Bleu?
Bruce Mowbray: Well, I thought she was saying that poetry engages both hemispheres of the brain.
Aphrodite Macbain: More than prose?
Bruce Mowbray: verbal (left) and swingin' (right)
Agatha Macbeth: That's what I meant
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Eliza Madrigal: I read and reread a poem that I discovered anew (one of the poems most learn the beginnings of in school), when I was about 18, but only years later did it have the kind of meaning a professor would have wanted to hear from me it did. It was just that the music of it reached me directly.
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Aphrodite Macbain: we need to ripen a bit to appreciate some things
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Mickorod Renard: if its any use...I have had several dreams that were in prose..or accompanied by a naration in poetic form
Bleu Oleander: I don't make such a distinction between rt/lt brains ... pretty much whole brain does everything
Bruce Mowbray: That also works with my appreciation of prose, Eliza... or, I guess of anything....
Eliza Madrigal: Joni Mitchell said that she wrote Both Sides Now before she really understood it
Aphrodite Macbain: sure Mick
Eliza Madrigal nods Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Bruce Mowbray loves "Both Sides Now"
Eliza Madrigal: that's I guess why I don't mind chipping away at something I don't understand but am fascinated by anyway
Eliza Madrigal: with some vague hope that some day.. aha :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Eureka
Bruce Mowbray: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7Xm30heHms
Eliza Madrigal clicks
Bruce Mowbray: (a cool song for Maxine's book....)
Eliza Madrigal: indeed
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Eliza Madrigal: (bruce's antics too fast for me to catch photos)
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Agatha Macbeth: Boogie on Brucie
Bruce Mowbray: 

Eliza Madrigal: Mick can you say more about the dreams, what you mean re poetry and prose?
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Mickorod Renard: its hard to explain, especially as I am far removed to making up songs or poems
Mickorod Renard: but during dreams it appears that a latent skill is aquired
Mickorod Renard: so I can believe that a side of ones self that is not usually active becomes more present
Mickorod Renard: done

Eliza Madrigal: nice
Bruce Mowbray nods.... Interesting point, Mick.
Mickorod Renard: hauntinly so
Eliza Madrigal: poetry and prose dreams remind me of chronos and kairos time, that we've talked about here and there
Aphrodite Macbain: what side Mick?
Bruce Mowbray: Sort of like Qt's point about writing poetry in Italian vs writing poetry in English... maybe something censors your dreams.... (or does NOT censor them!)
Mickorod Renard: maybe freeing up..detaching from the ego?
Eliza Madrigal: interesting point
Aphrodite Macbain: Must feel good!
Eliza Madrigal: freeing up from agenda
Mickorod Renard: for me they put the pictorial element of the dream into greater clarity
Bruce Mowbray: ahhh.... chronos being more or less linear time... (clock time, calendar time)... and kairos being the notion like "in the fullness of time - the readiness of time...)
Eliza Madrigal: nice elaboration
Mickorod Renard: its a mystery for me because I am fully aware that I am not conciously participating in creating poetry

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: hm, when we have talked about "dropping what you have to see what you are" are we touching on this?
Bruce Mowbray: When I took Pema's course in Time Magic, I had a dream about flying around inside Grand Central Station in New York....
Bruce Mowbray: I'd not been "ready" for that flight unti I took Pema's course.
Bruce Mowbray: kairos time.
Aphrodite Macbain: a propitious moment for decision or action.
Eliza Madrigal: I remember the image and dream, but not the whole telling
Bruce Mowbray: Yeah, I made an image of it.
Bruce Mowbray: But Kairos means different things to different people.
Mickorod Renard: I was wondering that Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: I found it interesting because the ceiling of Gr. Central has the constellations...
Bruce Mowbray: which, for me, represent BOTH chronos and kairos.
Bruce Mowbray: bring both worlds together, in a way.

Bleu Oleander: did you know that ceiling is backwards?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I knew that. Smiles.
Aphrodite Macbain: ?
Eliza Madrigal: is it?
Bleu Oleander: yep
Bruce Mowbray: I've pointed that out to several people.
Eliza Madrigal: fascinating
Aphrodite Macbain: wonders what a backwards ceiling looks like
Aphrodite Macbain: gniliec
Bruce Mowbray: It's a matter of viewpoint, actually.
Eliza Madrigal: a wonky horoscope, lol
Mickorod Renard: were mirrors used in its creation or so that they can be used ?
Bleu Oleander: it was a mistake
Bruce Mowbray: Wow, Mick. Excellent question!
Aphrodite Macbain: what a mistake to make!
Bruce Mowbray: Aren't there only 11 constellations on the ceiling, also?
Mickorod Renard: in some buildings they give you mirrors to look at the cielings..to save looking up
Bleu Oleander: but still beautiful, especially since it was cleaned up
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, they did that in the Sistene Chapel, I recall.
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Aphrodite Macbain wonders whether Michaelangelo had mirrors to piant the sistine chapel
Aphrodite Macbain: snap
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm not sure how that would work....
Aphrodite Macbain: why would he need a mirror?
Bruce Mowbray: You mean God is actually LEFT handed?

Un-differentiated

Mickorod Renard: so, i am still unsure i understood Bruces intro re de differentiation
Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
Bruce Mowbray: UN-differentiated, Mick.
Aphrodite Macbain: identifying and accepting differences?
Mickorod Renard: sorry yes Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Maxine's section is talking about the potentially violent ramifications of an un-differentiated worldview.
Bruce Mowbray: np.... :)
Aphrodite Macbain: seeing things as a multiplicity rather than a monolithic block
Bruce Mowbray: Right....
Aphrodite Macbain: Hegel talked about that to
Bruce Mowbray nods, listens.
Eliza Madrigal: "nothing, but everything arises from it" says Longchenpa ... I do sort of think of 'oneness' as nothing, but good nothing? :D
Aphrodite Macbain: there can be more than once answer to a question
Aphrodite Macbain: one
Aphrodite Macbain: good nothing?
Bruce Mowbray: Remember Wordsworth's line about "what we perceive and half-create...."
Eliza Madrigal: mhm
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- I like that a lot
Aphrodite Macbain: and we all do it differently!
Bruce Mowbray: In a sense, there are as many worlds as there are perceivers to create them.

Mickorod Renard: I have in the past tried to understand phycotic.....in the terms of what should be classed as acceptable viewpoints of the world and what is conditioning?
Aphrodite Macbain: phycotic?
Bruce Mowbray: "Psychotic" is also relative, of course....
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Mickorod Renard: sorry yes
Aphrodite Macbain: ah right
Agatha Macbeth: Derives from psychosis I think
Mickorod Renard: I love conspiracy theories, but for fun,,but what makes one believable
Aphrodite Macbain: who decides who is psychotic?
Bruce Mowbray: "A man needs a little madness, else he never breaks the ropes and be free." -- Zorba.
 

"So oneness leads to violence?"

Bleu Oleander: what does that mean, "potentially violent ramifications of an un-differentiated worldview"?
Agatha Macbeth: A psychiatrist?
Bruce Mowbray: The dictatorship of psychiatry, of course.
Mickorod Renard: nice point Bruce
Mickorod Renard: good question Bleu
Bruce Mowbray: DSM 1,2,3,4,5....
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps it means when the tightly held beliefs are dissolved it can be painful and dramatic Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Good job you left the B out :p
Bruce Mowbray: @ Bleu: If I view everything that differs from my worldview as alien. . . and "other," then violence is more possible.
Mickorod Renard: I suppose,,if one belives something that is then eventually shattered,,it is too painful for the bbeliever to cope with
Bleu Oleander: un-differentiated would mean no different right?
Bruce Mowbray: yes, that's what it would mean.
Bleu Oleander: so oneness leads to violence?
Agatha Macbeth: I think believers go on believing regardless
Bleu Oleander: confusing to me
Bruce Mowbray: no varieties of belief or perception in the individual perceiver.
Eliza Madrigal: ah, I see the question!
Mickorod Renard: violence within the mind perhaps?
Aphrodite Macbain: good questions Bleu
Bruce Mowbray: I tried to point out the paradox in my intro.
Qt Core: rl calling, bye all
Bleu Oleander: I'm not sure what that means really
Eliza Madrigal: okay Qt, ntsy
Bruce Mowbray: Parmenides says everything is one thing.... paradoxically, the undifferentiated worldview says pretty much the same thing --- but not inclusively.
Mickorod Renard: maybe we need an example
Aphrodite Macbain: Perhaps we need to think of one-ness as a joining of many into one

--BELL--


Eliza Madrigal: world view is in itself is something
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Aphrodite Macbain: rather than one as a solid singular entity
Bleu Oleander: so if you don't differentiate, it could lead to violence?
Bruce Mowbray: I think Parmenides had a sort of metaphysical "beingness" in mind.
Aphrodite Macbain: I suppose it has the potential of doing so
Bleu Oleander feeling a little dense today, must be the heat lol
Mickorod Renard: I suspect the violence is like a volcalo in the mind
Agatha Macbeth: Cactus juice
Eliza Madrigal: if you don't have room for differentiation, which would be difficult to have if not able to retreat to openness/spaciousness
Mickorod Renard: volcano
Bruce Mowbray: Everything is one "being" --- not solid -- not any particular phase of matter, just everything participating in Being Itself.
Aphrodite Macbain: Flexibility allows things to bend, not break
Eliza Madrigal: no Bleu your question is really the key to where we sometimes talk past each other maybe
Mickorod Renard: I feel dense too,,thats why I like examples
Bruce Mowbray: I agree, Mick. One of those horrid "up-wellings"
Aphrodite Macbain: hate those...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Well
Bruce Mowbray: well.
Aphrodite Macbain: well
Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
Eliza Madrigal: what about happy upwellings? they can be embarrassing, which may be felt as an internal violence of sorts (out of control)
Aphrodite Macbain: 3 holes in the ground
Bruce Mowbray loves ecstatic upwellings.
Aphrodite Macbain: giggles uncontrollably
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: (I'm overdue for one of those!)

Bleu Oleander: certainty is really the big blocker for me ... confines openness to oneness ... oneness being just me :)
Mickorod Renard: could it be for eg..like someone has a relationship that is based on love and eternity and then they find their partner has left,,that would give a reasonable amount of termoil ..from someones un-diferen..viewpoint
Eliza Madrigal: I think of oneness as that 'beyond myself' we talked about monday
Aphrodite Macbain: can u say more Bleu- ZI dont understand
Bleu Oleander: that's like being part of something greater than oneself?
Bruce Mowbray: (excellent point, Mick.)
Eliza Madrigal nods
Aphrodite Macbain: sounds ecstatic
Mickorod Renard: he he
Aphrodite Macbain: and mystical
Aphrodite Macbain: sufis twirl to achieve oneness with the godhead
Bruce Mowbray: True mysticism is very "open"
Bruce Mowbray: not tightly closed to anything, actually.
Aphrodite Macbain: It pulls things together
Bleu Oleander: Maxine says in doing that you might then feel more open to a poetic stance, a non-judgemental curiosity
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Mickorod Renard: I have experienced the same effect as suffi when I have drunk too much
Bruce Mowbray also nods.
Bruce Mowbray: In vino veritas, Mick?
Aphrodite Macbain: If only world leaders would do a bit of twirling
Mickorod Renard: instead of me twirling the room does it for me

Bleu Oleander: so anyway you can achieve a feeling of being part of something greater than yourself is a good thing
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: you dont feel isolated
Aphrodite Macbain: but connected
Bleu Oleander: we're embedded in the universe
Bruce Mowbray: Indeed, excellent points Bleu and Aph.
Eliza Madrigal: somehow beyond oneself and also personal
Bleu Oleander: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: by George I think we've got it!
Bleu Oleander: yay!
Eliza Madrigal grins
Mickorod Renard: I like that Bleu
Bruce Mowbray: That circle whose circumference is nowhere and whose center is everywhere.
Eliza Madrigal: wait, we answered something?
Agatha Macbeth: I knew George would get in there
Aphrodite Macbain: we're all poets!
Eliza Madrigal pinches... must be in a dream
Bleu Oleander: we are
Bleu Oleander: anyone can choose to take a poetic stance/view of the world
Mickorod Renard: I have been thinking of how I can encourage my granddaughter to become less insular with friend selection
Aphrodite Macbain: there
Eliza Madrigal: :) Agatha

Agatha Macbeth: Australian aborgines think the whole universe is a dream
Aphrodite Macbain: now Im one with the universe

Bruce Mowbray makes note to examine the Gr Central ceiling more carefully in his next dream/flight up there.
Eliza Madrigal: me too
Bleu Oleander: you're one with our virtual fountain :)
Aphrodite Macbain: wet and one
Eliza Madrigal: @Aggers they call it Dreamtime
Aphrodite Macbain: looks up at the virtual dome of the sky
Eliza Madrigal: The Dreamtime, rather
Agatha Macbeth: Creation, yes
Aphrodite Macbain: Song lines they follow in the earth
Bruce Mowbray: Wonderful book by Bruce Chatwin about that.
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Bruce Mowbray: Songlines.
Eliza Madrigal: "songlines" ~ hmmm

Mickorod Renard: I always want to ask,,before the end of the session 'can someone now put it in writing as in a nut shell'
Aphrodite Macbain: It's a wonderful way of knowing where you are in the world
Eliza Madrigal grins at Mick
Aphrodite Macbain: put what in a writing? The reading?
Bleu Oleander: 140 characters
Bruce Mowbray: Stay diverse. Stay open to variety and newness. Stay ready to change your mind.
Mickorod Renard: he he ..what we have concluded today
Aphrodite Macbain: no way!
Eliza Madrigal: btw, for those not on facebook, want to share Kiremimi's site: https://eikoikegamitravelblog.com/
Bleu Oleander: relax in uncertainty
Mickorod Renard: thats about it Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: speaking of diversity
Mickorod Renard: well done
Bruce Mowbray loves "Relax in uncertainty."
Mickorod Renard: thanks Eliza
Aphrodite Macbain: I think we have summarized it in a variety of ways during the whole discussion
Eliza Madrigal: agrees :)

Bruce Mowbray: Time to get out of these wet clothes and scrape up supper.
Bleu Oleander: bye Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Love to the squirrels
Eliza Madrigal: bye Bruce!
Mickorod Renard: and maybe one can throw in ..By Bruce
Mickorod Renard: throw in ..no attachments
Aphrodite Macbain: waves and splashes Bruce
Mickorod Renard: hey,,and what was that other thing we did,,the mantra
Eliza Madrigal: no narrow downs
Aphrodite Macbain: mantra?
Mickorod Renard: no this and no that
Eliza Madrigal: oh, from Heart Sutra

--BELL--


Mickorod Renard: yehhhh
Mickorod Renard: free oneself from the shackles
Eliza Madrigal: I can't stay today... sister is leaving tomorrow and want to spend more face to face time :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes of course Eliza
Mickorod Renard: thankyou Eliza
Bleu Oleander: good idea ... enjoy your time together
Aphrodite Macbain: Take care Eliza
Mickorod Renard: have a good one
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Steve
Bleu Oleander: ah here's steve
Mickorod Renard: Hi steve
stevenaia Michinaga: Greetings
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Stevenaia
Bleu Oleander: where's our WG mtg today?
Eliza Madrigal: thanks :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Stevie :)
stevenaia Michinaga: the amp[hatheater?
Agatha Macbeth: Today?
Bleu Oleander: bye Eliza
Aphrodite Macbain: We can meet at my place if u like
stevenaia Michinaga: or your place
Agatha Macbeth: Oh WG sorry
Eliza Madrigal: And bye Stevie :) And everyone <3 thanks for a really nice session
Agatha Macbeth: Have fun Liz
Aphrodite Macbain: byee
Mickorod Renard: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: bye
Bleu Oleander: Aph's place?
stevenaia Michinaga: lead the way Aph
Mickorod Renard: I have to go too..bye everyone..ty for the chats
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye Mick and Aggers
Agatha Macbeth: TC
Bleu Oleander: bye Mick and Aggers