Mickorod Renard: Hi Ags
Mickorod Renard: nice twirl
Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
Mickorod Renard: I see Liz is hanging around
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Oh thought I saw Liz too
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Mickorod Renard: making sure i am not her only company he he
Agatha Macbeth: Ahh she's editing
Mickorod Renard: there was only the two of us on Thursday
Agatha Macbeth: Saw Eden and Adams earlier
Mickorod Renard: yes?
Mickorod Renard: are they well?
Agatha Macbeth: Seem so
Mickorod Renard: good
Agatha Macbeth: Edie is lovely as always and Adams seems to be busy in RL
Mickorod Renard: Adams had contemplated doing an interview with me once but gave up due to my allusivness I bet
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Mickorod Renard: grin
Agatha Macbeth: The elusive Mick
Mickorod Renard: Hi Liz
Agatha Macbeth: And here's our girl
Eliza Madrigal: Hiya :) My new coat looks all a tatter
Eliza Madrigal: love your blue, though, Agatha :)
Agatha Macbeth: Alpha layer?
Mickorod Renard: lets av a look?
Eliza Madrigal: oh...yes that's what was needed
Agatha Macbeth: With mesh they usually give you an alpha with it
Mickorod Renard: looks ok to me
Eliza Madrigal: thank you
Agatha Macbeth: (Or should)
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Eliza Madrigal: would have saved me much body fidgeting
Mickorod Renard: I went n got some skates but cant open them up
Eliza Madrigal: you should be able to open them here Mick?
Mickorod Renard: I would of helped zipping u up
Agatha Macbeth: Yes you would need to adjust shape or use a larger size :)
Agatha Macbeth: Shame we don't have RL alphas eh
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: spanx
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Agatha Macbeth: Later maybe
Mickorod Renard: I always thought I was one
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Agatha Macbeth: One what?
Mickorod Renard: an Alpha
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Mickorod Renard: he he
Eliza Madrigal: thus the motorcycle
Agatha Macbeth: As opposed to omega?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh right
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Agatha Macbeth: I am the beginning and the end as they say
Eliza Madrigal: so it looks as though we are not discussing books today ...
Agatha Macbeth: No?
Mickorod Renard: a happy end
Agatha Macbeth: A & E finished then?
Mickorod Renard: we could do,,I have a report
Eliza Madrigal: would you like to?
Eliza Madrigal: no, about half way through I think
Agatha Macbeth: Fire away Mick
Eliza Madrigal listens
Mickorod Renard: no,,we are one chapter off the end
Agatha Macbeth: The penult!
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, it must be the way kindle measures
Mickorod Renard: the rest of the book is references
Mickorod Renard: which takes up half
Eliza Madrigal: I see! Thanks!
Mickorod Renard: I thought u had something too Eliza?
Mickorod Renard: I dont want to jump que
Agatha Macbeth: Que?
Mickorod Renard: he he
Agatha Macbeth: Per favor
Mickorod Renard: always up for a favor
Eliza Madrigal: I may have had something.... but it has flown away since last week
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Eliza Madrigal: foggy head today
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe George ate it
Eliza Madrigal: so I'm depending on you to spark memory ^.^
Mickorod Renard: owww..was gonna ask how u r?
Mickorod Renard: ok,,will do
Mickorod Renard: here goes
Eliza Madrigal: fine :) just went out partying...lol
Eliza Madrigal listens happily
Mickorod Renard: but it is generally my rant
Agatha Macbeth: Rant away
Mickorod Renard: fumbles in pocket
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Agatha Macbeth wonders what Mick's fumbling with
Mickorod Renard: I find myself losing momentum with the book, which I have enjoyed and am glad to see through to the end. Interesting to read Voltaire's and Twains jottings amongst others . by the time i got to the end of the paragraph I had had enough and was seriously convinced that the story was not literal(which i was anyway). I am glad Micko is a pseudonym (just) as i wouldn't want to be dragged from? my home and burned at the stake here.
Eliza Madrigal: @@
Mickorod Renard: However, I don't think I have fear of that as here in this part of the UK there is little sign of Christianity . Which incidentally reminded me of that other crazy tale 'father Xmas'. I pondered him lots recently as my grandkids straddle the believing and not believing, plunging me into perilous territory. Here I find myself affectionately attached to wanting to believe a ridiculous tale of a seriously old guy on a sleigh towed by deer flying though the sky and then delivering billions of presents around the world by descending down chimneys.
Agatha Macbeth: Works for me
Mickorod Renard: Thing I like about the Adam and Eve story is that it has meat on it. A medium for debate and raising arguments about human dilemma. I struggle finding a point to this book, preferring instead a philosophical objective to the deeper undercurrents one might speculate may have been A & E 'origin'al purpose.
Mickorod Renard: done
Agatha Macbeth: I wonder if other cultures have an equivalent tale?
Eliza Madrigal appreciates the way you bring the dilemma to present day
Mickorod Renard: I think they do,,someone mentioned them
Mickorod Renard: I find myself more open to something
Eliza Madrigal: At heart I hear something like, how to keep magic and wonder alive, without conning oneself or the next generation?
Mickorod Renard: forgivness
Agatha Macbeth: I know there's a Native American story (Hopi I think) about a man and a woman who lived inside a tree
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, I like that idea
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Think it saved them from a flood
Mickorod Renard: this is true Eliza,,without it life could be quite sad
Agatha Macbeth: Funny that, Eden was talking about magic earlier
Mickorod Renard: thing is,,might A and E be seen as like children,,as in their innocence
Eliza Madrigal: I've been asking similar questions about the times we are in... what it takes to nurture optimism, to believe in goodness
Agatha Macbeth: Voting Trump out in four years would be a good start
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: its very easy in times where we are in comfort to feel above certain things
Agatha Macbeth: I mean we've already got rid of Mugabe
Eliza Madrigal: need to have energetic optimism to work toward all that
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, Adams still seems fairly depressed about it
Mickorod Renard: well, sometimes one has to take bold leaps to move on
Agatha Macbeth: Trump I mean
Mickorod Renard: regardless of good or bad one rolls the dice
Mickorod Renard: this I think is where sin is forgiven
Agatha Macbeth: But is it original? :p
Mickorod Renard: for we are all in it together,,reaping reward as well as losss
Agatha Macbeth: Some reap more reward than others
Eliza Madrigal nods
Mickorod Renard: this is another issue,,
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Mickorod Renard: and we are all supposedly born equal
Agatha Macbeth: We are, pretty much, then it all goes downhill afterwards
Mickorod Renard: even outside that diferent skills are rewarded diferently too
Eliza Madrigal: but I think I'm coming back to this... that we are looking at a slice of time in which it seems someone(s) with ill motives have a great deal of power. In a larger sense, we are truly in the same boat. Somehow that is what is obscured and needs to be seen again.
Agatha Macbeth: At least in this day and age some aren't born as disadvantaged as they used to be
Mickorod Renard: I aggree with you Eliza,,even not knowing what u mean
Agatha Macbeth: It's a step in the right direction
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I think we have to always keep in mind that what we are perceiving is very limited
Mickorod Renard: but I agree with not being above learning from the past
Agatha Macbeth: Like the visible spectrum
Eliza Madrigal: and also have compassion for others' limitations, even if our temporal reaction to them is abhorrence and fear
Agatha Macbeth: Everyone is limited in some way or other
Mickorod Renard: this is a wonderful observation,,to back out and see from a higher perspective that also includes broader time line
Eliza Madrigal: there is the schoolyard bully, and the child with the vulnerability and isolation... yet with time, which one would you rather be/have been?
Agatha Macbeth: 'Seeing like God'
Mickorod Renard: nicely put Ags
Eliza Madrigal: beautifully said
Agatha Macbeth: Appreciating being, or whatever
Mickorod Renard: its dificult eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Never did get all that APAGXYZ stuff I'm afraid
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Mickorod Renard: I recall scenes from school,,and wishing ones own kids are strong,,yet also ,,the other
Eliza Madrigal: I too, wrestle with this every day
Agatha Macbeth: 'You're coming along' as Supertramp said
Mickorod Renard: sometimes in school,,its eat or be eaten
Eliza Madrigal: but honestly, I've been perceived as strong by people who perceived themselves as weak, and it was just that there was so much hidden. I think everything is like that.
Agatha Macbeth: Kids can be buggers
Agatha Macbeth: 'She never gets angry' :)
Mickorod Renard: yeh, some bullies are hiding their insecurities
Eliza Madrigal: :) yes
Eliza Madrigal: I had a friend who used to dress me in her clothes on the way to school, and years later I learned that people perceived me as somesuch... which was so offbase
Mickorod Renard: I try to explain this to my g daughter
Aphrodite Macbain: 's current display-name is "Aph".
Agatha Macbeth: Male or female?
Mickorod Renard: somesuch?
Mickorod Renard: not a uk term?
Eliza Madrigal: some kind of projected stature
Aphrodite Macbain: Happy New Year!
Eliza Madrigal: Happy New Year, Aph!
Mickorod Renard: Hi aph
Agatha Macbeth: Aphie!
Mickorod Renard: same to u
Agatha Macbeth: HNY
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: A fresh start...
Eliza Madrigal: feeling optimistic?
Agatha Macbeth: We hope
Mickorod Renard: we are starting with an old start
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Aphrodite Macbain: not an old fart?
Eliza Madrigal: Btw, an A&E song from last night: "She'll promise you more than the garden of Eden... then she'll carelessly cut you and laugh while you're bleedin... But she'll bring out the best and the worst you can be... Blame it all on yourself cause she's always a woman to me..."
Mickorod Renard: one more paragraph
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: The waiters are practicing politics...
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Aphrodite Macbain: great lyrics
Mickorod Renard: thats so true Eliza...he he ..parrys the blows
Eliza Madrigal: I was doing PaB homework at a concert, see... taking notes :)
Agatha Macbeth: Kwai Chang
Aphrodite Macbain: bless you
Aphrodite Macbain: Interesting read- the last chapter
Mickorod Renard: I often thought their was so much synchronocity but its just being more obbservent I think
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Aphrodite Macbain: nods quietly
Agatha Macbeth nods noisily
Eliza Madrigal quietly pushes Aggers in the pool
Mickorod Renard: Hi Stevie
Agatha Macbeth: Nya
Agatha Macbeth: Steve :)
stevenaia Michinaga: happy New Year all
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Stevenaia
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Stevie, Happy New Year!
Agatha Macbeth: HNY
Aphrodite Macbain: HNY
Aphrodite Macbain: a series of whinneys goes round the pool
Mickorod Renard: we have saved the last chapter until we are here
stevenaia Michinaga: we dreaming today
Aphrodite Macbain: no more than usual
Agatha Macbeth: True
Eliza Madrigal: dreams tomorrow :)
Mickorod Renard: always dreaming,,but no steve
Aphrodite Macbain: we are adam and eving
Eliza Madrigal likes that
stevenaia Michinaga: awww, okies
Mickorod Renard: dreaming of what life could be if it wasnt for others,,he he
Aphrodite Macbain: hell is others
Mickorod Renard: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Pretty lonely probably
Eliza Madrigal: "no mud no lotus"
stevenaia Michinaga: don;t let me interrupt
Agatha Macbeth: We won't :p
Eliza Madrigal grins
Mickorod Renard: MYanar
Aphrodite Macbain: I was thinking as I read the last chapter that despite the fact that people began questioning the reality of A&E in the 19th century there are still people today that believe they were real people.
Mickorod Renard: thats a doddgy place
Mickorod Renard: I am sure there are some,,but not many if questioned seriously
Aphrodite Macbain: I think there are fundamentalists who still believe the earth was created in a week
Eliza Madrigal: many
Mickorod Renard: I hold onto some ideas but more out of convenience,,otherwise one would have to create an alternative
Aphrodite Macbain: true
Eliza Madrigal: there is so much I want to say about them, yet my foggy head won't let me articulate more than half a sentence today
Mickorod Renard: otherwise there would be a blank bit
Aphrodite Macbain: what were you up to last night Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: there is a difference between finding inspiration in something, value, and I think some people think of that as belief
Aphrodite Macbain: (I slept in untill 11 AM)
Eliza Madrigal: I was Aph :) big contrast to being home watching Korean tv last new years, hehe
Eliza Madrigal: sounds luxurious :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I watched theree episodes of The Crown with friends :)
Aphrodite Macbain: three
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Learned about recent history... Edward VII etc
Mickorod Renard: I think that ois poinient Eliza,,and as we get more advanced we are not finding inspiration
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Mickorod Renard: but I think there is still a message in there
Aphrodite Macbain: I suppose it depends on what we rely on for inspiration
Eliza Madrigal: seems really important to find that sense of wonder and collective awe
Aphrodite Macbain: I get inspisred just looking hard at a plant I'm drawing
Aphrodite Macbain: we dont need to look farther than nature to be inspisred
Mickorod Renard: recently I was drawn to the perfection of life
Eliza Madrigal: did any of you see the rocket a few weeks ago? none of us here are on the west coast but for a moment, many people thought for sure aliens had found us
Aphrodite Macbain: gazing upwards on a clear night is also handy
Eliza Madrigal: west coast US*
Mickorod Renard: I saw it fro your link eLIZA
Aphrodite Macbain: oh no!
Mickorod Renard: on video

Eliza Madrigal: I had friends driving to California and they were FB live ing
Aphrodite Macbain: sorry I missed it
Agatha Macbeth: Rocket?
Eliza Madrigal: they were asking "WHAT IS GOING ON?"
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Aphrodite Macbain: UFPs return
Eliza Madrigal: It was a SpaceX launch
Aphrodite Macbain: UFOs
Mickorod Renard: looked great
Eliza Madrigal: amazing spectacle
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Eliza Madrigal: felt like a kid looking at footage of santa's sleigh
Agatha Macbeth: Will have to check CERN tweets
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Mickorod Renard: there is something attractive about fantacy
Eliza Madrigal: something necessary
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh it ain't real
Aphrodite Macbain: yeh it bypasses reality
Mickorod Renard: grin
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Mickorod Renard: well, so I tell my lady friends
Eliza Madrigal: What about "the perfection of life" Mick?
Agatha Macbeth: Can't you just tell we have the same birthday sometimes?
Mickorod Renard: havnt got any now
--BELL--
Mickorod Renard: ok,,Bruce attracted me to it
Aphrodite Macbain: yes Aggers and the same clan
Aphrodite Macbain: sort of
Mickorod Renard: but if it wasnt for all the billions of errors and such by folks slightly linked to us we would not be where we are
Aphrodite Macbain: Did the Macbains and the Macbeths get along?
Agatha Macbeth: To err is human
Mickorod Renard: reality as it is wouldnt be
Aphrodite Macbain: swerve
Eliza Madrigal: wabi sabi
Agatha Macbeth: Och aye
Aphrodite Macbain: genetic alterations...
Mickorod Renard: so in some strange way we need to have a more accepting approach to life
Mickorod Renard: and forgiving,,even though I struggle with that
Eliza Madrigal: a simultaneously wider and more refined scope
Aphrodite Macbain: smiles at Mick
Eliza Madrigal: that's a lovely thought, going into 2018
Aphrodite Macbain: forgiving for sure
Aphrodite Macbain: not sure about accepting
Mickorod Renard: I am sure this is the crux of why Jesus was suggested as the other Adam
Aphrodite Macbain: There are some things I can't accept
Eliza Madrigal: It seems about getting one's heart right first
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Mickorod Renard: yeh, genocide in myanmar
Eliza Madrigal: then within that context, having discernment
Aphrodite Macbain: right
Mickorod Renard: nerve gas in syria
Aphrodite Macbain: so what are we not accepting? Cruelty? Ignorance?
Mickorod Renard: starving choldren in exploited 3rd world countries
Aphrodite Macbain: Genocide
Mickorod Renard: somehow I have to reconcile it before i snuff it
Aphrodite Macbain: but to change the way things are...we need to recognize what needs ro change
Eliza Madrigal: have to see it on many levels, not all of which one can directly effect, but some of which one can
Agatha Macbeth: Still have time mate
Aphrodite Macbain: *to
Mickorod Renard: I would like to stop it,,but it has to be done in my head
Aphrodite Macbain: first
Aphrodite Macbain: then action after sober second thoughts?
Eliza Madrigal: there is the Talmud quote...
Mickorod Renard: yes?
Eliza Madrigal: or maybe Talmud...
Eliza Madrigal: "Do not be daunted by the enormity of the world's grief. Do justly, now. Love mercy, now. Walk humbly now. You are not obligated to complete the work, but neither are you free to abandon it."
Aphrodite Macbain: Wow. That's excellent. Thanks Eliza
Mickorod Renard: this is why i would have pprefered the book to be more phillosophical than ,,whatever it was/is
Mickorod Renard: wonderful Eliza
Aphrodite Macbain: It's more historical
Mickorod Renard: yes, put ones own garden in order
Aphrodite Macbain: we can draw our own philosophies from it
Eliza Madrigal: It is about meme transmissions
Eliza Madrigal: sort of about technology
Aphrodite Macbain: what kind of technology?
Eliza Madrigal: influence, perception
Mickorod Renard: AI will be our next challenge
Eliza Madrigal: pretty timely
Eliza Madrigal nods
Mickorod Renard: could we address ai with A and E?
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Aphrodite Macbain: in what way?
Eliza Madrigal: what a questio
Eliza Madrigal: n
Mickorod Renard: then AI transgreeees
Aphrodite Macbain: create an AI A&E?
Agatha Macbeth: Ai = love in Japanese
Mickorod Renard: and wipes us out
Aphrodite Macbain: AiyaiAi
Agatha Macbeth: Aye
Mickorod Renard: we program ai to serve us but it eats from the tree
Agatha Macbeth: Forbidden fruit?
Mickorod Renard: the story continues
Eliza Madrigal: we want it to be just there to play with us but what if it wants a life of its own?
Aphrodite Macbain: AI can tell good from bad?
Mickorod Renard: could adan and eve?
Agatha Macbeth: Like the synths in Fallout 4
Aphrodite Macbain: Good and evil are social constructs
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Mickorod Renard: he he ..
Mickorod Renard: spookie ideas
Eliza Madrigal: they are like compass points perhaps
Aphrodite Macbain: whoever programs AI programs in those constructs
Agatha Macbeth: The robots' rebellion
Mickorod Renard: maybe that was what adam and eve were like,,,,if it was a true story
Aphrodite Macbain: To rebel means that there is a questioning mind
Aphrodite Macbain: coming to an independent conclusion
Eliza Madrigal: I can't believe that until a few days ago I'd never linked the word protest to protestant :P
Aphrodite Macbain: Can AI ever be independent of humans?
Agatha Macbeth: Bit like Pinocchio
Agatha Macbeth: Or Frankenstein
Eliza Madrigal: what if we find that AI is prior to humanity?
Mickorod Renard: I think they could be Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: howso?
Mickorod Renard: they will be used to program themselves surely?
Aphrodite Macbain: AI as prior to humanity? Who would have created AI? God?
Mickorod Renard: robots making robots too
--BELL--
Mickorod Renard: we are becoming half way gods already
Eliza Madrigal: I wasn't thinking of a deity, just different kinds of intelligence that humans may be to self centric to recognize
Aphrodite Macbain checks her halo in the pool
Agatha Macbeth: Did it get wet?
Aphrodite Macbain: it's siggy
Aphrodite Macbain: and soggy
Agatha Macbeth: Stardust?
Mickorod Renard: ok folks,,now quick warning,,i may have baby by next thursday
Eliza Madrigal: Golden
Aphrodite Macbain: wow
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Eliza Madrigal: You don't even look pregnant Mick
Aphrodite Macbain: cool Mick
Agatha Macbeth: How did you manage that?
Aphrodite Macbain: a whole new life
Eliza Madrigal: but how WONDERFUL :)))
Aphrodite Macbain: a fresh start
Mickorod Renard: i carry it weel
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Eliza Madrigal: ^.^
Agatha Macbeth: Weel weel
Mickorod Renard: whats them brankson hics or something on the go
Aphrodite Macbain: There is a barand new baby in my building. 3 days old
Mickorod Renard: cool
Agatha Macbeth: Goo goo
Mickorod Renard: cant stand it personnaly,,poo and noise
Eliza Madrigal: Mick the sea horse
Aphrodite Macbain: they are calling it mini until they come up with a proper name
Eliza Madrigal: aw
Aphrodite Macbain: poo, noise and happy gurgles
Eliza Madrigal: wide eyes
Aphrodite Macbain: hungry mouth
Agatha Macbeth: Wah wah
Mickorod Renard: I will get to look after the tthree others
Eliza Madrigal loves babies, but knows it would be very hard to tend to them at this stage of life
Aphrodite Macbain: good lung exercise
Agatha Macbeth: It's ok as long as they're someone else's
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: right
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Mickorod Renard: should hold out to february but doesnt sound like it
Aphrodite Macbain: hold out from what?
Mickorod Renard: deliverance
Agatha Macbeth: You seem to be a one man population boom Mick
Eliza Madrigal: not due til February I take it, but carrying heavy
Aphrodite Macbain: ahh
Mickorod Renard: yep
Eliza Madrigal: he told you, he's alpha
Aphrodite Macbain: poor mum
Agatha Macbeth: Go forth and multiply
Mickorod Renard: poor me
Aphrodite Macbain: eventually...
Aphrodite Macbain: why cant the mum also take care of it?
Mickorod Renard: ok,,I must go..thanks for today
Eliza Madrigal: I wish you a lot of joy and patience Mick
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye Mick
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Mick
Agatha Macbeth: Bye baby boomer
Eliza Madrigal: once the baby is here love will make your worries fly away
Mickorod Renard: byeeeeee..take care..h ny
Agatha Macbeth: HNY
Mickorod Renard: he he
Eliza Madrigal: bye everyone :) Happy New Year <3
Aphrodite Macbain: Byee
Agatha Macbeth: TC
Mickorod Renard: XXX to all
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Eliza
Aphrodite Macbain: See you all soon!
Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully