The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments are by Bruce Mowbray.

 

Korel Laloix: Osiyo

Bruce: Hi, Kori.

Bruce: afk for a second -- brb.

Korel Laloix: ok

Bruce: I've spent most of today alerting all of my email contacts and online accounts of an email change - made necessary by Gmail's absurd system. . .  a Catch-22 inside of a Catch-22 inside of a Catch-22.

Korel Laloix: I looked up the Catch-22 thing before, but can't remember quite what it was.  But I think I know your meaning.

Korel Laloix: I am getting completely away from Google.

Bruce: It's a situation in which you can't change something until you change something else, but you can't change the something else until you change the first thing.

Bruce: And Google's mail chases you through three of those loops.

Korel Laloix: That is what I found when I was trying to delete my account there.

Korel Laloix: Just gave up after ab it.

Bruce: I was surprised when several folks from PaB wrote to tell me they had encountered the same problem with Google -  YES!

Bruce: You too!

Bruce: I have to have a cell phone, which I don't have,

Bruce: so I can't receive their 6-digit code,

Korel Laloix: There are ways around that...

Bruce: so I can't change my account settings that require me to put in a 6-digit code, etc etc etc.

Bruce: I know there are ways - - - but I was so frustrated after trying to get a human at Google to help me that I decided to change my email address altogether.

Bruce: Someone in PaB actually volunteered to take the cell phone call for me,

Bruce: but I refused the offer.

Korel Laloix: Exactly.. but I change my email address every year or so.  So not painful for me much.

Bruce: Do you change the server (Yahoo, Gmail, etc) as well?

Riddle Sideways: hi All

Bruce: Hi, Riddle.

Bruce: We're complaining about Google's Catch-22's.

Korel Laloix: Osiyo

Riddle Sideways: ah

Bruce: Storm told me that he had the same problem I did.

Korel Laloix: The other thing is, Google knows more about you than the government ever will.. and they will sell it to anyone.

Bruce: Well, at this point in life, I really don't care who knows what - so long as they don't try to sell me something.

Korel Laloix: You don't mind being sold then?.. smiles

Bruce: They can sell me - if they think there's anything worth selling there.

Riddle Sideways: yes, the government does not know that I wanted to buy an aquarium pump

Riddle Sideways: but Google does

Bruce: I played a game with Google once.

Riddle Sideways: yes, they can sell me

Korel Laloix: And the sad part, is probably already have sold you several times.

Bruce: After noticing that my searches for meditation sites turned up numerous ads for meditation stuff,

Bruce: I tested them by searching for sex toys and waited for ads for sex toys to show up.

Riddle Sideways: even before computer networks there were mailing list sellers

Bruce: Riddle Sideways: and ...

Bruce: but they never did.

Bruce: Last week I searched for book shelves, and ever since I've been getting ads for book shelves.

Bruce: Maybe I should start using a different search engine.

Riddle Sideways: and getting a lot of SL adverts

Korel Laloix: Yes. use DuckDuckGo

Korel Laloix: Or startpage

Bruce: Wow, really?  SL alerts?

Riddle Sideways: ads

Bruce makes note to use DuckDuckGo

Korel Laloix: And use a proxy, like hidemyass

Bruce: https://duckduckgo.com/

Riddle Sideways: thanks for reminder, need to fix proxy again

Korel Laloix: We teach this as part of our self defense course.

Qt Core: hi all

Bruce: Heya, Qt.

Korel Laloix: Osiyo

 

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Riddle Sideways: hi QT

Bruce: The proxy software I use is Real Hide IP - and I love it.

Korel Laloix: And if you can, in your browser, you can load tracking prevention aps.

Bruce: http://www.real-hide-ip.com/

Bruce: Yes, Ghostery will hide trackers.

Bruce: https://www.ghostery.com/

Bruce: All I want is to stop the ads, so I use ad blockers with every browser.

Qt Core: the only active form of defence i use is limiting all my facebook interaction to one browser program

Bruce: Just this week I stopped using FB altogether.

Qt Core: (oh, yes, and Ghostery in other browser

Bruce: Was it you, Qt, or Zen who recommended Ghostery?

Qt Core: i would lose sight of a few people that use only fb

Bruce: I thin k it was Zen.

Bruce: Does anyone know if FB alerts people when you unfriend them?

Bruce: I unfriended over a dozen this week.

Qt Core: i don't know

Qt Core: why unfriend if you stopped using it altogether?

Bruce: I was still getting notifications --- Didn’t totally delete my FB account.

Korel Laloix: NO idea... I have almost killed that account as well.

Bruce: I'm enjoying Twitter more and more, though.

Riddle Sideways: they use to, but somebody said lately that there is a way not to alert on unfriending

Korel Laloix: I unfortunately have people that want to track me... so just getting rid of it.

Qt Core: yes, as a social media twitter is my first choice too

Bruce: Use Twitter to check play-by-play at a high school football game a few states away - when it's not being broadcast on radio.

Bruce: The radio broadcast also has a delay of three minutes, but Twitter has no delay at all.

Bruce: I followed Twitter last Friday night -- for Paris updates.

Riddle Sideways: do you text-to-speak your twitter?

Qt Core: i followed it on radio news (i find radio news are always better than tv/web)

Bruce: btw, I have free Paris t-shirts for anyone who wants them -- with all permissions so you can give them away, if you wish.

Riddle Sideways: thanks, for this one

Bruce: Hmmm. have never used text-to-speech with Twitter.

Bruce: How does one do that?

Bruce: yw.

Bruce loads Twitter in browser.

Qt Core: have you heard of tonight’s scare (they found a bomb in the German stadium where Germany/Netherlands friendly soccer game should have been played

Bruce: Yes, I heard that.

Riddle Sideways: no

Bruce: Angela Merkel was planning to attend, too.

Bruce: They canceled the game.

Qt Core: the German players were rerouted somewhere safe and hidden while they were Bruce: A dangerous world.

 

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Qt Core: wondering how much of a death risk was just getting outside your home let say every century for the past few millennia

Korel Laloix: You are still more at risk from a drunk driver.

Bruce: I have Twitter on-screen now.  How do I set text-to-speech?

Bruce: or do I need a separate ap for that?

Qt Core: a quick search say it need a separate client

Riddle Sideways: not sure,

Bruce: kk, ty!

Qt Core: but i wonder about browser, haven’t they got text to speech options ?

Bruce: I think I stick with text.

Riddle Sideways: plug-in / extensions

Bruce: hmmmm, don't know about that with browsers.

Bruce: I do have ad-blocker plugins and extensions, but nothing for speech.

Riddle Sideways: ok, need to ask questions about not understanding something yesterday

Bruce listens.

Riddle Sideways: in Aph session there was a part about Fear

Bruce: yes?

Riddle Sideways: instead of hatred

Bruce nods.

Riddle Sideways: was really thinking terrorists

Riddle Sideways: were driven by hate

Bruce nods. . .

Riddle Sideways: others seemed to say Fear

Bruce: others were even saying grief.

Riddle Sideways: have re-read it and that is the begetting section

Riddle Sideways: so it went wild

Bruce: yes, I remember it well.

Bruce: What was your question?

Riddle Sideways: but, how are terrorists driven, recruited, happy, etc. with/from Fear?

Riddle Sideways: seems it would still be Hate as root feelings

Bruce: perhaps even despair, at root.

Qt Core: having the illusion of being in control of the thing they fear killing/destroying it ?

Bruce: Perhaps as an example, I feel that some forms of racism are driven by fear...

Bruce: fear of whatever is different...

Riddle Sideways: hmmm, enough to join a hateful organization

Bruce: Yes, Qt, dominating or overcoming the thing feared - even by killing it.

Riddle Sideways: go out and kill yourself by killing others

Bruce: Religious zealotry has a lot to do with it, too, I think.

Riddle Sideways: do they Fear France or Hate France?

Bruce: They fear and hate anything "secular."

Bruce: especially secular cultures and governments.

Bruce: (such as France.)

Bruce: Of course, I feel that it is much deeper than that

 

Bruce: I don't think that the Jihadi's even know what is at the root of their behavior and their emotion.  Nor what the "goal" of their fight should be.

Bruce: I do understand that they want to subjugate women, etc...

Qt Core: a simpler, controllable, understandable world

Bruce: But how is that going to happen?

Bruce: They themselves use the modern technologies to promote their cause.

Bruce: Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

Qt Core: simpler as in social rules, not just or only in a material way

Bruce ponders what "simple social rules" might mean....

Qt Core: (even if I just read today about Taliban destroying cell towers left and right

Riddle Sideways: our way or the highway

Riddle Sideways: our way or death

Bruce: Hmmmm.

Bruce: Sounds to me like a generalized psychosis.

Bruce: Yikes!

Riddle Sideways: simpler world if all apposing are kilt

Riddle Sideways: does not sound like fear as much

Bruce: If I want "simple," I move into solitude – and turn off the Internet and TV.

Bruce: I don't need to attack anyone in order to simplify my life.

Qt Core: lucky us ;-)

Bruce: :)

Bruce: Indeed.

Bruce: I hear that Anonymous has taken down thousands of Jihadi websites.

 

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Bruce: and recently (since Friday) has vowed to destroy even more.

Bruce makes note to get Guy Fawkes mask.

Riddle Sideways: :)

Riddle Sideways: good for Anonymous

Bruce: Yes, I agree.

Riddle Sideways: maybe Anonymous for president

Bruce: ha ha!

Korel Laloix: back to RL.. take care all

Riddle Sideways: well, need to go

Bruce: yeppers. back to rl.

Riddle Sideways: bye

Bruce: Be well, everyone.

Qt Core: Ok, bye all then