2016.02.01 07:00 - Reminiscing Ancient Caves of Virtual Reality

The Guardian for this meeting was Eden Haiku. The comments are by Eden Haiku. Eliza and Riddle joined me.

The mysterious Raspberry Pi

Strange things tend to appear in bundles

Eden Haiku: Good morning PaB Listener Master. it's 7:00 am,
Eden Haiku: I remember the days when a cardboard cat would come to these sessions. I forgot her name. She was British I think. And there was this hermit who would transform herself into a tea tray.
Eden Haiku: Hello Eliza :)
Eden Haiku: Welcome Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: hi all
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eden and Riddle :)
Eliza Madrigal listens happily
Riddle Sideways: was able to get out of bed today :)
Riddle Sideways: thatz a good start
Eliza Madrigal: it is
Eden Haiku: I have been entertaining the Listener Master for a few minutes with reminiscences of days past :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways: ah, always fun
Eden Haiku: I'm delighted to see you both this morning;) How are you doing?
Riddle Sideways: the day is starting ok
Eliza Madrigal: happy to be here for a little while, hoping the repair people for a ceiling leak will wait until the hour is over to arrive :)
Eden Haiku: No problem Eliza :)
Eden Haiku: Day starting ok is a good start Riddle, as Eliza would say :)
Riddle Sideways: hmm, cealing leak could  be of roof leak
Eliza Madrigal: we're on the second floor of an apartment
Eden Haiku: Oh, sorry to hear Eliza :(
Riddle Sideways: oh, then could be upstairs tub overflowing
Eliza Madrigal: likely
Eliza Madrigal: it is okay....was a bit of a wild weekend with mishaps
Eliza Madrigal: strange when things appear to come in bundles
Eden Haiku: reminds me I should check my downstairs neighbor appartment, he's been traveling in France,,,.
Eliza Madrigal: oh, you're a good neighbor :)
Riddle Sideways: yes, was told them usually come in threes
Eden Haiku: asked us to check for floods in the basement, leaking pipes.. when they freeze it happens sometimes,
Eden Haiku: Bundles of troubles yes :)
Eden Haiku: But nothing is freezing. February today and the river is not frozen at all! Sidewalks are without ice or snow, it's fine but totally abnormal.
Eliza Madrigal: snow storms across the NE seem to have come and gone already

--BELL--

Reminiscing beginnings

Eliza Madrigal: are you feeling reminiscent today, Eden?
Eden Haiku: Winter blues I guess Eliza. First day of sun in a long time :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: you have been writing beautifully though
Riddle Sideways: the suns month returns
Eden Haiku: Thanks Eliza. Writing is always a pleasure :)
Eden Haiku: I'm enjoying TSK exercises a lot. Reading the book is more difficult. Still in chapter 1:)
Riddle Sideways: yes, keep re-reading chapter 1
Eden Haiku: Some sparks of understanding then my mind goes blank again;)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I relate to that.... feel as though I'm going along then snap back
Eliza Madrigal: last night the body was very solid all of a sudden
Eliza Madrigal: so negotiating :)
Eden Haiku: Negociating, hehe that's a good idea :)
Eliza Madrigal: thankfully I don't think there is any aim to understand in a 'becoming an expert' kind of way
Eden Haiku: That's very liberating yes, I can feel that Eliza, by the way you handle the sessions.
Riddle Sideways: just to Play
Eden Haiku: Creating "space" in our view of reality...
Eliza Madrigal: I really feel our way with the book and each other is the key, more so than the book on its own
Eliza Madrigal: getting to hear everyone is delightful
Eden Haiku: It is!
Eden Haiku: The book was the kind of ground for creating Play as Being too it seems:)
Eliza Madrigal: it was!
Eliza Madrigal: I feel like reading it puts us in touch with the beginnings but also where we are now in an interesting way
Eden Haiku: yes!
Eliza Madrigal: although I'm a little daunted moving into the time section soon... as Wester said, that's when it gets weirder, lol
Eliza Madrigal: well, not too soon, but around the bend

Before the beginning

Eden Haiku: Riddle, you have been at PaB from the beginning haven't you?
Riddle Sideways: yep
Eliza Madrigal: before the beginning I think?
Riddle Sideways: Ways of Knowing was not so much about Space and Time
Riddle Sideways: mostly on Knowledge
Riddle Sideways: or seems so
Riddle Sideways: and no wheres as much fun Playing
Eden Haiku: ah, I see.. at the Kira Cafe it was, wasn'it?
Riddle Sideways: it was in qwaq
Riddle Sideways: yet another virtual world platform
Eden Haiku: In qwaq! Wow!
Eden Haiku: remembers hearing about it in PaB. Respect to the elder Riddle :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)

--BELL--

Elder Riddle and obsolete visual platforms

Eliza Madrigal: where Pema was a parrot
Riddle Sideways: no respect earned :)
Eden Haiku: Pema a parrot? And you Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: nope, Pema was with Molly as parrots in VideoRanch
Eliza Madrigal: oooh
Riddle Sideways: Pema gave a series of 6(?) lectures in the barn
Riddle Sideways: they are online somewheres
Riddle Sideways: in text
Eden Haiku: loves to hear about our avatars's ancestors on obsolete virtual plaforms :)
Riddle Sideways: VR3d is based off alpha Worlds
Eliza Madrigal: me too
Eden Haiku: gives us a sense of history
Riddle Sideways: VR3d is still running, but something happened in the latest updates
Eliza Madrigal: qwaq was more classroom like I think?
Riddle Sideways: that lost audio streams to about half the residents
Riddle Sideways: yes, qwaq has whiteboards and powerpoints on the walls
Eden Haiku: When did you first ventured into a virtual world Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: ooooooooooooo way back
Eden Haiku: In the nineties?
Riddle Sideways: maybe late 80's
Riddle Sideways: crude chat rooms with avitars at first [  I like "avitars", so I didn't correct this golden typo]
Eden Haiku: As far away in time? Wow! But you are working with computers so I guess it was natural for you...
Riddle Sideways: and explore worlds at first
Eliza Madrigal tries to reconcile idea of virtual worlds with her late 80s experience
Eden Haiku: When did you start coming in-world Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: not until 2009, to virtual worlds
Eden Haiku: Me too, 2009. We are late bloomers:)
Eliza Madrigal: I used to host book clubs and things when the kids were little, in regular chat rooms and message boards
Riddle Sideways: no fantasy worlds before SL?
Eliza Madrigal: only text type... remember when paying for internet and would download lots of things to respond to offline then send in the middle of the night
Eliza Madrigal: by the minute I mean :)
Eden Haiku: I bought my first personal computer in 1998: the Bondi blue iMac. Before that, I used PC at university or my friend's MacIntosh....
Eliza Madrigal: fancy first!
Eden Haiku: It was the user's friendly feature that got me :)
Eliza Madrigal: think first computer was 1996 or so... just using for finances and school work
Eden Haiku: I remember being part of a dream group.
Eliza Madrigal: really?
Riddle Sideways: where? how?
Eden Haiku: Not even chat room. Just discussion group.
Eden Haiku: You would post your dream
Riddle Sideways: ah
Eden Haiku: And the leader of the group would interpret it
Eden Haiku: as well as other members
Eden Haiku: It was nice
Eliza Madrigal: neat feeling... first reaching out that way
Eden Haiku: Yes. But it was so slow.....
y Riddle Sideways: netnews was nice, being part of a special interest club
Eden Haiku: Compared to being in real time like we are now :)
Eden Haiku: Netnews?
y Riddle Sideways: or Usenet
Riddle Sideways: forget the names

--BELL--

Exit plain green text on blackish background

Eden Haiku: I used Internet mainly for work. This was before my CandryCrush days :)
Riddle Sideways: around 85-86 a co-worker bounced in the office to force us to try some HTML browser thingie
Eden Haiku: listens
Riddle Sideways: oh dear Candy Crush Saga
Eliza Madrigal grins
Riddle Sideways: all of a sudden the plain green text on blackish background
 Riddle Sideways: went to formatted pages with hyper-links and then pictures
Riddle Sideways: hyper-links were the coolest. if you wanted to read more depth you could or just get the main points/summaries
Eliza Madrigal: you were on the edges... pioneering
Eden Haiku: A quantic leap!
Riddle Sideways: thatz why is hurt so much
Riddle Sideways: on that cutting edge
Eden Haiku: What do you mean Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: the latest-newest tech and software
Riddle Sideways: are always buggy and time-wasters
Eliza Madrigal: ah
Eliza Madrigal: higher expectations
Eden Haiku: Ah yes, it was your work...
Riddle Sideways: even today. this little Raspberry Pi board on the desk does not run like most of the forums on internet say it should
Riddle Sideways: it was always the same
Eden Haiku: ah...
Eden Haiku: wondering what a Raspberry Pi looks like...
Riddle Sideways: way back, had a "graphics" board
Eden Haiku: googling :)
Riddle Sideways: [Google it]
Riddle Sideways: and made pixels move around
Eden Haiku: Ah, I see it now :)
Riddle Sideways: days later made a blocky 8-bit pixel avitar move on screen   [avitar, maybe they used that name back then?)  
Riddle Sideways: with a 'joy-stick'
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
Riddle Sideways: was sooo happy
Eden Haiku: Wow, how much fun it was I suppose :)
Riddle Sideways: and exhausted
Eden Haiku: A kid with mini-bricks :)
Eden Haiku: How many hours?
Eliza Madrigal: pushed to limits
Riddle Sideways: wiring up a joy-stick so computer would read it was hard
Eden Haiku: Wow!
Riddle Sideways: had to burn fingers on a soldering iron
Riddle Sideways: there was the Original Manoth cave adventure
Riddle Sideways: for the PDP   [whatever that is :]
Riddle Sideways: that got ported to micro-computers
Riddle Sideways: that 'might' have been thought to be a World
Eden Haiku: is feeling like in prehistoric caves of our virtual world ;)
Riddle Sideways: it was single player
Eliza Madrigal: what a neat phrase "might have been thought to be a world"
Riddle Sideways: but was so immersive
Eden Haiku: how so?
Riddle Sideways: playing late into the night
Riddle Sideways: dark office
Eden Haiku: :)
Riddle Sideways: and an Orc would appear from around the corner
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Riddle Sideways: eeeeeeeech
Eden Haiku: LOL
Eliza Madrigal: occulus is coming out officially in just a few weeks ... wonder if really a next shift
Eden Haiku: imagining Riddle screeeching in his dark office...
Riddle Sideways: :)
Eliza Madrigal: letting the orcs in
Riddle Sideways: probably is the next thing

--BELL--

Virtual roller coaster rides

Riddle Sideways: have a Cardboard and it is lots of fun
Eliza Madrigal: what can you do? be creative like SL?
Riddle Sideways: $20 instead of several hundreds
Riddle Sideways: seems best to sit down in a swivel chair :)
Riddle Sideways: standing can make one bump into stuff
Riddle Sideways: and fall
Eden Haiku: There is a virtual reality visit of 10 libraries of the world at the Montreal's Great Library. I want to try it. You have to book in advance to get the immersive goggles..or cask, not sure.
Eliza Madrigal: worries that it will be more isolating.... people in each exceptional own worlds
Eliza Madrigal: that's neat Eden!
Eden Haiku: Heard it can be kind of scary...
Eliza Madrigal: I do like the idea of kiosks.... kids getting to see museums and such that might not otherwise
Riddle Sideways: there are museum tours already
Eden Haiku: If you have vertigo.
Riddle Sideways: looking at all sides of sculptures
Eden Haiku: Neat!
Riddle Sideways: at your speed
Riddle Sideways: then there are roller coaster rides

Eliza Madrigal: just wondering how it can translate to something like we have, where we get to meet sort of unexpectedly spontaneously from corners of the worldRiddle Sideways: SL and Occulus are trying it

Eden Haiku: I guess developers will create worlds in which people will be able to meet Eliza.
Riddle Sideways: High Fedelity (sp?) are better
Riddle Sideways: there you can touch, hold hands
Eliza Madrigal: that is the new SL?
Eden Haiku: Wow!
Riddle Sideways: [bad joke deleted]
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eden Haiku: wanna hear the bad joke :)
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Riddle Sideways: yes, SL created went to a new company
Riddle Sideways: giggles
Eliza Madrigal: I don't want to meet people just based on familiar backgrounds or interests like "chess" or what have you ...
Riddle Sideways: ummm, isn't that what PaB is?
Riddle Sideways: sort of
Eden Haiku: Right:.much more interesting to hear from people from different backgrounds.
Eliza Madrigal: sort of... but more random I think
Eliza Madrigal: greater randomness input
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I didn't come into Sl and search for this kind of community
Eden Haiku: All interested in discovering the nature of reality.
Eliza Madrigal: and it is not a place unto itself.... is porous
Riddle Sideways: was already interested in the next version of WoK
Eliza Madrigal: but that's true, interest in nature of reality... but had to be uncovered
Eden Haiku: Riddle is not transporting us into the future :) [ I meant "is NOW transporting us" but typoed not]
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Riddle Sideways: hmmmmm :)
Eliza Madrigal: am sure smarter than me are figuring it out but I hope they are considering these things :)
Eden Haiku: If WoK is in the future, is it?
Riddle Sideways: the next chapters of TSK
Riddle Sideways: will transport us in time
Riddle Sideways: be it future?
Eden Haiku: Sorry I meant "now' transporting us into the future... Typo.
Riddle Sideways: love those typos
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways: *not worked
Eden Haiku: Wok is Ways of Knowing, I realize it now... I thought it was a future virtual world :)
Eliza Madrigal: neat idea
Eliza Madrigal: typos are golden
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: vehicle of knowing
Eden Haiku: Golden typos :)
Riddle Sideways: when using voice, there will be even more "verbal typos"
Riddle Sideways: quick dumb statements
Riddle Sideways: no backspace keys
Eden Haiku: Especially with accents like mine, no "h",,,
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eden Haiku: Dumb jokes :)
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes can hear accents in text
Eden Haiku: You do?
Eliza Madrigal nods.... one of the things I've been surprised about when meeting rl avatars, is how similar I imagined their voices
Riddle Sideways: or not
Eliza Madrigal: Corvi especially, was exact

--BELL--

Eden Haiku: Noticed I wrote 'wagon' to mean subway car in a TSK report.
Eliza Madrigal: then again, many have heard for little bits and then just hear that way
Eliza Madrigal: wagon car :)) cute expression
Eden Haiku: Then checked the Webster and saw that wagons are for animal transport only :(
Eliza Madrigal: hm, wouldn't think that
Eliza Madrigal: need to go, not sure where the repair people are but should call/follow up before too late in the day
Eliza Madrigal: thanks so much Eden, and Riddle <3
Riddle Sideways: well, need to get garbage/recycling collected and out
Eden Haiku: Good luck with the leak Eliza
Riddle Sideways: need to get moving
Riddle Sideways: thank you
Eliza Madrigal: :::breathe::::
Eliza Madrigal: thanks very much, bfn
Eden Haiku: Bye Riddle, thank you for all the stories this morning!
Eden Haiku: Hugs!
Riddle Sideways: by by
Riddle Sideways: have your best