2016.02.21 01:00 - Anxiety Management and Getting Sleeeeeeeeep

The Guardian for this meeting was Wol Euler.

Wol Euler: bonjour Cat
Wol Euler: I didn't recognize you with black hair
Catrinamonblue Resident: bonjour :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: ty :) like to try different things sometimes
Bertram Jacobus: good morning play as beings :-)
Catrinamonblue Resident: morning Bert :)
Wol Euler: good morning, Berti
Wol Euler: how is everyone today?
Catrinamonblue Resident: awake :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: are you feeling better Wol?
Bertram Jacobus: my day still is quite young - so - what can i say ? - how is your´s ? ;-)
Wol Euler: I slept badly and far too little, I'll have a nap before lunch
Bertram Jacobus: oh
Wol Euler: I'm feeling better than Friday but not yet fully well
Catrinamonblue Resident: :(
Catrinamonblue Resident: hopefully a nap will help
Bertram Jacobus: why is that wol - caught a cold ?
Wol Euler: chest cold, thick and lumpy and coughing
Bertram Jacobus: i see - may you be well soon again wol !
Wol Euler: thank you :)

--BELL--

Catrinamonblue Resident: so before logging on I was wide awake and now my eyes are drifting shut :)
Bertram Jacobus: hmmm ... ;-)
Wol Euler: good :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: it's very early here :)
Wol Euler: it must be 4am there, is it even light yet?
Catrinamonblue Resident: still dark out :)
Bertram Jacobus: ah - may i ask, where you live cat ?
Catrinamonblue Resident: Ottawa Canada :)
Bertram Jacobus: i see ... :-)
Bertram Jacobus: here, in germany, it´s 10:23 - nice time ... ;-)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Wol Euler smiles.

Bertram Jacobus: and why are you awake, so early in the "morning"
Bertram Jacobus: ?
Bertram Jacobus: ;-)
Catrinamonblue Resident: my brain decided to go through every worst case scenario it could think of...
Bertram Jacobus: can you explain that a bit more ? why ? ;-)
Catrinamonblue Resident: I have an anxiety disorder, it happens a lot.
Wol Euler leans over and gives your hand a squeeze.
Bertram Jacobus: ooohhh .... so i wish you very much that that can become a bit and then much better !! ...
Catrinamonblue Resident: I just go with the flow of it and try to redirect to positives
Catrinamonblue Resident: most of the time I manage very well with it, some times it gets the better of me
Bertram Jacobus: may those difficulties disappear and dissolve completely ! and seemingly - no : obviously, you are handling that already really well !

--BELL--

Catrinamonblue Resident: I look at as if it were a physical ailment like diabetes... it will always be there but can be managed
Catrinamonblue Resident: it's taken a lot of years and much therapy to come to that conclusion
Wol Euler nods.
Bertram Jacobus: okay ... but ... if i may mention that - i myself made the experience that a psychosis i had decades before, completely dissolved by the blessings and practice of meditation (!) ...
Catrinamonblue Resident: perhaps that will be a next step for me.... :)
Bertram Jacobus: yeah :-)
Catrinamonblue Resident: at the moment I have much planning to do :) moving and wedding :)
Bertram Jacobus: oohh - woow ! :-))
Catrinamonblue Resident: :) very positive things in my life right now
Wol Euler smiles.
Bertram Jacobus: wonderful !
Wol Euler: congratulations on both
Catrinamonblue Resident: ty :)
Bertram Jacobus: :-)
Bertram Jacobus: sounds quite exceptional to me - a strong personality ... very nice ... :-)
Bertram Jacobus: and good circumstances, now ...
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bertram Jacobus: conditions ...
Wol Euler nods.
Bertram Jacobus: always very nice to meet such - so ty for sharing cat ! ...

Catrinamonblue Resident: :) ty for listening :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: helps to move me into positive thoughts :)
Bertram Jacobus: such can encourage others (!) ... so good ...
Wol Euler: good :)
Bertram Jacobus: win win win situation ;o)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Wol Euler cheers!
Bertram Jacobus giggles
Catrinamonblue Resident: smiles sleepily :)
Bertram Jacobus: hehe
Wol Euler: sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.
Catrinamonblue Resident: I think I'll go see if I can find that sleep :)
Bertram Jacobus: sure
Catrinamonblue Resident: ty both :)
Bertram Jacobus: ty !
Wol Euler: good luck
Wol Euler: enjoy the day
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bertram Jacobus: :-)
Bertram Jacobus: wow
Wol Euler: ?
Bertram Jacobus: :-))

Wol Euler: I'm happy for Cat, she's had a rough and bumpy year or two
Bertram Jacobus: i´m glad to hear that such a disorder can become so much better
Bertram Jacobus: because my last gf had that as well but wasn´t so well at all - but now i see : there are chances, possibilities ... so good
Bertram Jacobus: "may all beings be happy" (!) ...
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: sometimes it works
Bertram Jacobus: great
Bertram Jacobus: so hope is allowed, is reasonable - without clinging, for sure ... ;-)
Wol Euler: "free from clinging and aversion"
Bertram Jacobus: yep :-))

--BELL--

Wol Euler: I was thinking during the pause about a poem called "if" by Rudyard Kipling
Wol Euler: probably around 1890 or so
Wol Euler: which is about balance
Wol Euler: "If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same"
Wol Euler: http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/if/
Bertram Jacobus: ah - may be, i heared about it before ... and yes : balance is wonderful !
Bertram Jacobus: the buddha called it " the path of the middle" ...
Wol Euler nods.
Bertram Jacobus: and declared that is would be neccessairy to go, to reach when one wants to become enlightened ...
Wol Euler: mmhmm, because everything else is a stone in the path towards enlightenment
Wol Euler: all attachment, good or bad
Wol Euler: which is of course where it gets tricky
Wol Euler: somebody has to be attached to the children, to ensure that they are fed and cleaned and taught and loved
Wol Euler: somebody who really is no more attached to their children than to their accountant or the bus driver, is a psychopath
Bertram Jacobus: but good to know the goal, the path and some means ... helpful ... ;-)
Wol Euler: oh yes
Wol Euler: like a lighthouse on a shore
Wol Euler: seen from a boat
Bertram Jacobus: yeah :-)
Wol Euler: you will never get there, but it helps you along your way
Bertram Jacobus: you will never get - where ? :-)
Wol Euler: to the lighthouse itself, i.e. to enlightenment
Wol Euler: IMO YMMV
Bertram Jacobus: oh. sry : i disagree :-)
Bertram Jacobus: and what means YMMV, pls ? ;-)
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: Your Mileage May Vary
Wol Euler: it's what the car ads say
Bertram Jacobus: lol
Bertram Jacobus: i see
Wol Euler: "our new model gets 188 miles to the gallon! *YMMV"
Wol Euler: so when you consistently get only 92, you cannot complain
Wol Euler: <- is a bit cynical about advertising.

--BELL--

Wol Euler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgA94IvmLb0
Wol Euler: apropos "to the lighthouse" :)
Bertram Jacobus: one of the eight points of the so called "eightfold path" is the right speech. it is said, that here are made the most "faults", so to say - i know it very well from myself - challenging task (!) ...
Wol Euler nods.
Bertram Jacobus: and what i often fear is that, according to that, it could become boring and nut very enjoying - isn´t that intresting ? ... ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: not*
Bertram Jacobus clicks now ... ;-)
Wol Euler: how do you mean? that only speaking rightly would be boring?
Bertram Jacobus: yep
Bertram Jacobus: exactly
Bertram Jacobus: ty for understanding me :-9
Bertram Jacobus: oops - the ugly nine ! :-D
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: well that is the temptation, isn't it`
Wol Euler: ?
Wol Euler: gossip and slander and lies are so much fun :)
Bertram Jacobus giggles ...
Bertram Jacobus: and agree* - refering to the insight that that are not perfect aspects of life ... ;-)
Wol Euler nods
Wol Euler: like the eternal struggle between cookies and broccoli
Bertram Jacobus: lol - don´t know that ! :-)
Wol Euler: really? you have no difficulty following a clean and healthy diet at all times? :)
Bertram Jacobus: i like the "asian as well as", instead of the "western either or" ...

--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: so again - here the path of the mid

dle can help i think ;-)
Wol Euler smiles.
Bertram Jacobus: ty for your hosting wol !! ...
Wol Euler: my pleasure
Wol Euler: thanks for your company, dear berti
Bertram Jacobus: and byeee :-))