2018.02.13 07:00 - Prosperity worship

    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.


    Riddle Sideways: thank you,
    Riddle Sideways: Howdee, Adams
    Adams Rubble: Hello Riddle :)
    Riddle Sideways: . moves face cat, to reach keyboard

    Adams Rubble: so you would like to talk about death this morning :)
    Riddle Sideways: sent an email link last night, but forgot to change the title
    Riddle Sideways: wellll, not really talk about DEATH
    Riddle Sideways: there were so many topics in that interview

    Adams Rubble: Two people sent me stuff to read this morning but I had other plans. I managed to read a little over half of the article
    Adams Rubble: Yes, prosperity Christianity has been gaining popularity
    Riddle Sideways: was making complicated dinner when the show was on, so did not pay close attention
    Riddle Sideways: just finished listening again
    Adams Rubble: Christianity is about compassion, not praying for success
    Riddle Sideways: the religious part was probably the main reason to send to you
    Riddle Sideways: so, what's with this Prosperity?

    Adams Rubble: I liked the part about the Mennonites living in a hell hole caring for each other
    Riddle Sideways: yes

    Adams Rubble: In a way this type of theology is racist
    Adams Rubble: They take advantage of white priviledge and assumes the blessings come from God. they see people of color struggling and think it is their own fault
    Riddle Sideways: and if a priviledged person does get sick ...
    Adams Rubble: let's face it--we are all going to get sick and we all are going to die
    Adams Rubble: The Monnonites have it right on that
    Riddle Sideways: once they are part of the club ... then kicked out
    Riddle Sideways: "Nobody gets out alive" ... but few know when it is coming
    Adams Rubble: looking around at nature, some trees sprout at a good spot with good drainage and lots of rain; they prosper
    Adams Rubble: other trees sprout from seeds in dry rocky soil; they may live on sickly for a few years but will have a short life
    Adams Rubble: God does not like the healthy trees better
    Riddle Sideways: or is it that so many seeds sprout and many die immediately
    Adams Rubble: yes, because the trees produce many seeds so a few will will rposper

    Adams Rubble: then there is Job :)
    Adams Rubble: the devil hada plan for him
    Riddle Sideways: the Job story gets thrown in
    Adams Rubble: God went along with it
    Riddle Sideways: or was a pawn in the God-Devil tug-o-war
    Adams Rubble: then there is Job's wife and his children
    Adams Rubble: if Job is a pawn, what are they?
    Riddle Sideways: the affects spiral out
    Riddle Sideways: thinking Job is just one story
    Riddle Sideways: (that involves so many others)
    Riddle Sideways: then that story gets re-told year after year
    Adams Rubble: oh I guess it does :)
    Riddle Sideways: what about the billions of other stories
    Riddle Sideways: all the possible combinations of types of life stories

    Adams Rubble: people with cancer in every city
    Riddle Sideways: close friend fighting his second cancer

    Riddle Sideways: hard for (little) minds to think for all the possible life stories
    Riddle Sideways: there 'must' be a G-d that keeps track
    Riddle Sideways: since a beginning has recorded every life
    Riddle Sideways: where, how, when, which tree seed grew-died
    Riddle Sideways: in The Great Database
    Riddle Sideways: and the Great AI can be trained on that database
          [do not even think of G-d's relational database and/or AI connections]
    Adams Rubble: we are all connected
    Riddle Sideways: yes, all the individual records AND all the relationships
    Riddle Sideways: Tree had a good life ... but one day Adams had taken a photo
    Riddle Sideways: Tree might be dead, but lives on in an Adams memory and photo
    Riddle Sideways: and the memory of each viewer of that photo
    Riddle Sideways: and the backup tapes of SL could be read
    Riddle Sideways: to contain all the lives that started and did things
    Riddle Sideways: the little wooden cubes that were immediately deleted
    Riddle Sideways: the grasslands that are still here

    Adams Rubble: I think I think differently about this
    Riddle Sideways: oh?
    Adams Rubble: we do not need to be recorded or be remembered
    Adams Rubble: we are all connected with each other, with every living thing and with the universe
    Adams Rubble: we borrow our molecules and atoms and use them for a while; then they go on to be part of other things
    Adams Rubble: it is how we connect that is important
    Adams Rubble can hear pema saying "Does that make sense?"
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: can hear both making sense
    Riddle Sideways: and so many others making sense

    Adams Rubble: the Prosperity Theology is very self-sih
    Riddle Sideways: takes the little building blocks and connects them
    Riddle Sideways: one of the main tasks of every religion seems to be to deal with the death subject
    Adams Rubble: it is difficult for us to think about death on our own
    Riddle Sideways: so we have a religion to think about it for/with us
    Riddle Sideways: sometimes joining/leaving one that sounds right
    Adams Rubble: some of us have experiences that remind us of our mortality
    Riddle Sideways: And hard on our own to think of how to live a Good life
    Adams Rubble: we resolve to this life differently but soon fall back into old patterns
    Riddle Sideways: so a religion shows us
    Adams Rubble: it can

    Adams Rubble: religion leaders can lose focus too and forget the deep message of their religion
    Riddle Sideways: liked the part in the interview about Jesus Land in Florida
    Adams Rubble: yes, ouch
    Riddle Sideways: at 1pm the cruxification
    Riddle Sideways: at 3pm he rises
    Adams Rubble: bringing in the bucks, bringing in the bucks, we will come rejoicing, bringing in the bucks
    Riddle Sideways: so many good songs

    Riddle Sideways: a complete aside ... when Adams Rubble awoke after yesterday
    Riddle Sideways: and realized she was wearing a flower garden
    Riddle Sideways: how hard was it to pick that nice pink dress?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble took off the flower garden before going to sleep :)
    Riddle Sideways: oh!
    Adams Rubble: sorry to dissapoint
    Riddle Sideways: some stories are told to disappoint
    Adams Rubble: awwww
    Riddle Sideways: there were other points in that interview
    Riddle Sideways: so many
    Adams Rubble listens
    Riddle Sideways: the time one spends getting rid of photos they are in. the not buying new cloths
    Riddle Sideways: thinking that those still living would not want to see her in photos
    Riddle Sideways: why buy a dress? I am dying
    Adams Rubble: I did not get that far I think
    Riddle Sideways: whoops, spoiler
    Adams Rubble: I don't think she should get rid of photos. Her son will want them. They can be a connection
    Riddle Sideways: from one view point that is correct, but her mind was not really using that view
    Adams Rubble: I will try to get further
          [later got an email that Adams finished reading AND listened to the cracking voice]
    Riddle Sideways: and there is the difference of reading the article for depth vs. the listening to hear her voice break up at special spots
    Adams Rubble: I only had the written

    Riddle Sideways: when reading, our 'pause button' is so good. the stopping to contemplate some point just read
    Riddle Sideways: need better control of the pause button when listening
    Riddle Sideways: need a better rewind button for ...
    Riddle Sideways: recalling last nights dreams
    Riddle Sideways: recalling what the other items at the grocery are
    Riddle Sideways: whoops, went wide afield again

    Adams Rubble: that is what happens when we think about deth :)
    Riddle Sideways: Life flows on pretty good, until we think too much about deth
    Adams Rubble nods
    Riddle Sideways: just had to go Google "deth"

    Adams Rubble: we live in a place that allows us to have things pretty good
    Riddle Sideways: Oh, those people that live in places/conditions so close to death
    Adams Rubble: yes, fie on a theology that thinks it is their own fault
    Adams Rubble: it makes my blood boil
    Riddle Sideways: having the prosperity to live life not constantly next to death
    Adams Rubble: there is the parable of the Publican and the Pharasee
    Riddle Sideways: /listens
    Adams Rubble: Luke 18:9-14
    Adams Rubble: The Pharisee beats his chest and says "I thank the Lord, that i am not as other men are"
    Adams Rubble: robbers
    Adams Rubble: evil doers
    Adams Rubble: adulterors
    Adams Rubble: or evn as this publican
    Adams Rubble: the publican said
    Adams Rubble: God have mercy on me, a sinner
    Adams Rubble: Those that exalt themselves will be hunbled; those who humble themselves will be exalted
    Riddle Sideways: when shall the humbling begin?

    Adams Rubble: there was a wonderful muscial piece from the reformation times but I can not find it
    Adams Rubble: It reminds me of Prosperity Theology
    Adams Rubble: I thnak the Lord God that I am wealthy and healthy and wise
    Adams Rubble: and not like other men (women)
    Adams Rubble: who are sick, and poor
    Adams Rubble: and patriots fans
    Adams Rubble giggles
    Riddle Sideways: lol
    Riddle Sideways: yes, all this righteous talk excludes women
    Riddle Sideways: and excludes the poor that pick our vegetables
    Riddle Sideways: and pay the taxes
    Riddle Sideways: and
    Riddle Sideways: and
    Riddle Sideways: and how did this soapbox get so tall?

    Adams Rubble: I was not as sick as that woman but when I had my treatment I developed a peace with myself that i was ready to die
    Adams Rubble: I can see the world going on without me--that it will not die with me
    Adams Rubble: i was fortunate that the treatment was every day and that i could walk to it from work; the extra exercise actually made me healthier during that time :)
    Riddle Sideways: then there are those that think they are the world. it would die without them.

    Adams Rubble: if we are remembered, it will be for the good we do
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Riddle Sideways: not our bad cooked meals
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: they may be rememberd too :)

    Adams Rubble: I am afraid I must get back to my RL project
    Adams Rubble: it was nice chatting
    Riddle Sideways: it was
    Riddle Sideways: thank you
    Adams Rubble: thank you Riddle :)
    Adams Rubble: bye for now :)
    Riddle Sideways: now, back to the day, in progress
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: ㋡

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