2018.07.24 12.00 - Dream Session

 

Aggers recorded this from her chat

 

Tura Brezoianu: Before my time then, just

Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Alma

Tura Brezoianu: hi Alma, Agatha

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Agatha

Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Agatha

Agatha Macbeth: Evening all

Zen (Zen Arado): architecture was unusual at UEA

Tura Brezoianu: All concrete

Agatha Macbeth: What's UEA?

Zen (Zen Arado): University of East Anglia

Agatha Macbeth: Ah

Zen (Zen Arado): yes supposed to be modernistic or something

Agatha Macbeth: Isn't everything made of concrete these days?

Agatha Macbeth: Luci :)

Agatha Macbeth: Riddle :)

Riddle Sideways: sorry, late

Zen (Zen Arado): I remember we had a disco and we all walked up to a place like an old barn something

Agatha Macbeth: You are forgiven my dear

Tura Brezoianu: UEA actually appears in Kenneth Clark's "Civilisation" series

Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Riddlle

Agatha Macbeth: Oh my

Tura Brezoianu: as a note of optimism for the future

Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Luci

Zen (Zen Arado): that's quite an old series now isn't it?

Tura Brezoianu: hi Luci, Riddle

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): Hi Zen, Agatha,Tura,Almadi,Riddle

Tura Brezoianu: yes, from the 60 or early 70s

Riddle Sideways: hi All

Agatha Macbeth: Good heavens, my era

Riddle Sideways: oh dear, mine too

Agatha Macbeth: Hehe

Zen (Zen Arado): :-)

Tura Brezoianu: me also, I remember watching that

Agatha Macbeth: Erk

Zen (Zen Arado): How is everybody dreaming this week ?

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): I am arriving from a frustrating task...trying to create a username for Social Security:(I will enjoy calming!

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): it's been interesting

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): listens

Agatha Macbeth: Oh my

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): can you say more?

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I had 3 dreams with lucid moments

Riddle Sideways: may you live in Interesting dreams

Agatha Macbeth: Woot

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): one of them, I don't know what to make of

Zen (Zen Arado): That's greatAma

Zen (Zen Arado): Alma

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): :)

Agatha Macbeth: We're here to help :p

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): two of them were the usual thing ... realize I'm dreaming and immediately wake up

Tura Brezoianu: /listens for more

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): but the third ...

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I woke with a memory of having been lucid in a dream for quite a long time, but I could not remember most of the content of the dream

Zen (Zen Arado): that must be annoying

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): All I could recall was being with a group of people walking across an open field to a school building. I remember feeling happy that I was lucid and amazed at how long it lasted. I recall looking at my hands as a reality test.

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I don't recall how I became lucid (if I really was)

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): so it is very puzzling ... does it count as a lucid dream if I can't recall most of it?

Zen (Zen Arado): I'm wondering if lucid dreams should be easier to remember than ordinary dreams

Zen (Zen Arado): you would think they should

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): it seems that they should be

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): but I had been having trouble with dream recall in general that week

Tura Brezoianu: If a tree falls in the forest and everyone forgets about it, did it fall? :)

Zen (Zen Arado): :-)

Agatha Macbeth nods

Zen (Zen Arado): if there was no one there it didn't happen anyway :-)

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): but at least I recalled doing the reality test, so for that moment at least I'm pretty sure I was lucid

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): I I do not know. I have had lots of dreams where somethingvery mysterious about the dream is waking me up...and then they do not last much longer.

Zen (Zen Arado): the last two nights I was really annoyed because I had long dreams but didn't remember a thing about them

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala) nods

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): If it was scary I sometimes made a choice regarding that.

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): I like noticing something that requires more information and seeing what happens next

Zen (Zen Arado): I was trying to find out more about why I don't remember dreams

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): very rare for me now

Zen (Zen Arado): I found something in one of my books

Zen (Zen Arado): 'It seems that when we are confronted by the possibility of recognizing that we’re dreaming, our egoic sense of self often tries to confabulate a seemingly rational explanation for the reality of the situation. For example, we might see a flying elephant and be on the cusp of lucidity, but then convince ourselves that flying elephants are quite common in this part of the world.'

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes, the "interpreter"

Zen (Zen Arado): 'In the Castaneda text The Art of Dreaming, the protagonist Don Juan tells his student that our rational mind will try to protect itself if we encounter ideas or concepts in our dreams that seek to usurp our notion of accepted rationality. This idea of rationality fighting for its own survival in the face of irrational dream experiences is one that beginner lucid dreamers may sporadically encounter, often in the form of dream characters denying that they are ‘the stuff of dreams’ as our rational mind tries to maintain control over the dreaming status quo. '

Zen (Zen Arado): Done

Zen (Zen Arado): seems to be left rational brain trying to establish normality or something

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): as tho we need a plot

Zen (Zen Arado): I find this terrible reluctance to recall dreams as soon as I wake up sometimes

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I find many of my dreams just don't fit into the conceptual categories of waking thought, so I can sort of remember them just as I am waking, but I cannot get them into words

Riddle Sideways: ah that might be the problem

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): remembering this very interesting idea about traveling on a grid of the dream weave

Zen (Zen Arado): Dragon just crashed

Riddle Sideways: ouch

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): exploring in a very deep and exploratory way

Zen (Zen Arado): yes Luci?

Tura Brezoianu: No passengers hurt?

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): poor dragon!

Zen (Zen Arado): :)

Agatha Macbeth: Aww

Zen (Zen Arado): say more Luci?

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): "dream weave" ... I like that phrase

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): my teacher had many dreams of being in a kind of grid, geometrical place...

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): she did a lot of reading about quantum physics etc and had worked extensively with Castenada as well

Zen (Zen Arado): what a comnination

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): the universe traveler

Riddle Sideways: and did she want yyou to dream in grids too?

Zen (Zen Arado): though quantum physics is pretty strange

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): no in her thinking we are dream in ways that are unique to principles that guide the experience

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): meant all dream

Zen (Zen Arado): if you studied math you would have math dreams?

Riddle Sideways: if you lived in SL you would have SL dreams ?

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): maybe but math might be something one is attracted to and therefore it becomes pnes area of focus

Zen (Zen Arado): my dreams are related to my past life experiences usually

Zen (Zen Arado): I had a re-entry dream this week

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): can you say more?

Tura Brezoianu: re-entry sounds intriguing

Zen (Zen Arado): I was sitting in a classroom at an Open University tutorial. Paul Haller, my Zen teacher, walked in and started asking the tutor about the course we were doing. The tutor started to explain but Paul said he had already done one course. Then he started to get very twitchy as if he was taking a seizure or something. I think I woke up then but then went back into the dream.

Zen (Zen Arado): This time Paul was sitting on a park bench and I went and sat down beside him and started chatting. Then we walked together back to a place where he was taking a retreat. It seemed to be in some European country. I sat near the front of the class with him and I seem to be wearing have kind of robe but it looked more like a dressing gown. There were two young guys, an older man and they started complaining that the retreat was too monotonous. I just sat and said nothing and then I woke up.

Zen (Zen Arado): done

Zen (Zen Arado): I haven't seen this teacher for a few yers

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): :)thanks for sharing it...

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): practice can be monotonous

Zen (Zen Arado): anybody else have this type of dream

Zen (Zen Arado): ?

Riddle Sideways: what is re-entry about it?

Riddle Sideways: that Paul was in both?

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I sometimes have several dreams in one night that seem to be like chapters in a single story.

Zen (Zen Arado): well I woke up for a bit

Riddle Sideways: Ah, yes

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): re-entering the dream

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): probably in regard to work when it is stressful

Zen (Zen Arado): different dream but same guy in it

Riddle Sideways: two nights ago had 3 of those dreams

Zen (Zen Arado): and I remembered them so well

Zen (Zen Arado): remember them Riddle?

Riddle Sideways: 1.oin and out of building A. wake/sleep outside building B

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): maybe we create stories that are stretching our view

Riddle Sideways: awake-asleep and inside Building B

Riddle Sideways: darn cat jumping on bed

Zen (Zen Arado): :)

Agatha Macbeth: ^.^

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): learning and listening in the dream

Zen (Zen Arado): my careworkers came in and woke me this morning and I think that's why I didn't recall anything

Riddle Sideways: thought maybe the dream went on waling to the other building during the wake period

Zen (Zen Arado): worse than an alarm clock

Riddle Sideways: "The Wakers"

Zen (Zen Arado): I try to wake bfore they come

Agatha Macbeth had to read that twice

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): for me there is often a cat involved in my waking

Riddle Sideways: yes! the 4am face kitty time

Tura Brezoianu: The careworkers from Porlock.

Zen (Zen Arado): :)

Zen (Zen Arado): there are techniques for re-entering dreams

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): I try to say to myself that I am "going back in" to sleep

Zen (Zen Arado): I made some notes if anyone is interested?

Tura Brezoianu: lying in the same position I woke up in helps, or helps recall it if I don't go back to sleep

Zen (Zen Arado): yes Tura

Tura Brezoianu: I'd like to hear that

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): if there was a dream I try to replay as if with a remote.

Zen (Zen Arado): 'Have you ever wakened from a marvelous dream wishing you could reenter it? Actually, you can. Working independently around the globe, dreamers and lucid dreamers have identified the characteristic actions that enable you to re-enter a dream from which you have just awakened. Often, a lucid dream will restart at this point and carry you along lucidly, just as if you had skipped ten seconds in a videotape.

Zen (Zen Arado): How to Re-enter a Dream After waking from a dream or lucid dream, use these steps to re-enter it:

Get your physical body in the exact position you were in upon waking. Or, better yet, do not move at all upon waking.

With your eyes closed, imagine the end of the dream (or the last fifteen seconds), as if looking at a picture or movie. Let this image become real-seeming to you (you may reenter at this point and the lucid dream may begin). Or choose an item or dream figure to cast your awareness into and begin perceiving the dream from this vantage point. Allow the dream to continue.

Zen (Zen Arado): done

Zen (Zen Arado): not sure if that would work for me though

Riddle Sideways: might work for Alma

Zen (Zen Arado): it seems it has to happen naturally

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): helps if it is dark...for me

Zen (Zen Arado): easier near morning for me

Zen (Zen Arado): but frustrating if you can't get back to a really nice dream

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I'm usually not alert enough to be able to remember the instructions

Zen (Zen Arado): me either

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): or if I am alert enough, then I'm too alert to fall back asleep

Zen (Zen Arado): problem is the left brain is out of commission during dreaming?

Zen (Zen Arado): and right brain isn'tinterested in instructions:)

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): it feels to me like the dream unfolding is less controlled than when left brain gets involved...staying with images and collecting them seems less logical and controlled

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): more evolving

Zen (Zen Arado): yes Luci

Zen (Zen Arado): but the left brain has to organise the memory of the dream?

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): and I have a feeling ourwhole bodies are involved in the evolving

Zen (Zen Arado): dreams are ssuch a mystery still

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): I suppose left brain does.. organize but our resting receptivity is dreawing from the whole bodies intentions

Zen (Zen Arado): one of my careworkers asked me what a recurrent dream meant

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): whole body drives the bus

Zen (Zen Arado): I'm not sure about interpreting other's dreams

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I think left brain has to get involved if we are going to record a dream in words, but maybe there are other kinds of memory that don't involve words

Zen (Zen Arado): she has a recurrent dream about dirty toilets

Zen (Zen Arado): one of the other careworkers looked it up online and gave her an answer

Riddle Sideways: what did she say?

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): not a good approach to dream interpretation

Zen (Zen Arado): but I'm not sure there are valid answers like that?

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): I think of toilet as the center for letting go...I often feel like the recurrent dreams can be our curiousity or our way of trying to learn to let go...

Zen (Zen Arado): ha they say - hey you are into dreams, what does this mean?

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): it depends on what personal associations she has with dirty toilets

Zen (Zen Arado): yes agree Alma

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): you can't look that up online

Tura Brezoianu: A bit like trying to interpret the mementos on someone else's shelves.

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): exactly, Tura

Zen (Zen Arado): it could be you need to get up and go to the toilet:)

Riddle Sideways: yes, Zen that is what it usually means

Zen (Zen Arado): but people like definite answers, don't they?

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): maybe Google will give us a dream interpreter that works like their translator ... type in your dream and it gives you the meaning

Zen (Zen Arado): anyone else have a dream they want to share?

Tura Brezoianu: I had another "anxiety dream" a couple of days ago.

Zen (Zen Arado): listens to Tura

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala) listens

Tura Brezoianu: This one was about being double-booked, trying to attend two conferences on the same weekend, one in Paris and one in London. I was trying to shuttle between them by train, which didn't work very well.

Tura Brezoianu: At the same time I was thinking I should just have cut one of them that I wasn't much interested in anyway, or even cut both of them.

Tura Brezoianu: I think there's a message there about dividing my energies between different projects and not paying enough attention to which of them are actually worth doing.

Tura Brezoianu: done

Zen (Zen Arado): there's a lot of anxiety about travel isn't there?

Zen (Zen Arado): missing planes etc

Tura Brezoianu: Travelling is always a source of anxiety in my dreams.

Riddle Sideways: and in RL

Tura Brezoianu: Pretty stressful in RL too

Agatha Macbeth: I avoid it whenever possible

Zen (Zen Arado): maybe it's a case of healing the stress?

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): being unsettled, in transition

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): yes

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): neither here nor there

Zen (Zen Arado): so many things to go wrong

Zen (Zen Arado): but we enjoy that too, don't we?

Zen (Zen Arado): deliberately stressing ourselves

Riddle Sideways: an aerobic exercise, good for the heart

Tura Brezoianu: I enjoy long-distance bike rides, but then I'm in control the whole way. Travel arrangements are always dependent on the trains running on time and so forth.

Agatha Macbeth: As Mussolini said

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): this might sound out there but based on my dream experiences I have a technique I try... try to send good vibes to everyone involved in the travel...that they will be able to know everything they could possibly need to know t accomplish their job safely.

Zen (Zen Arado): I get scared my electric wheelchair will break down

Agatha Macbeth: Out there is good!

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): :)

Riddle Sideways: Luci has hippie tendencies

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): it helped me to get beyond my fears

Agatha Macbeth: Supergirl in pyjamas

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): sounds a little like tong len practice, Luci

Zen (Zen Arado): :)

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): yes she does

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): ah! good to know Alma

Zen (Zen Arado): 'I'm giving her good vibrations'

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): :)

Riddle Sideways: now that Beach Boys songs is stuck

Zen (Zen Arado): ha ha

Zen (Zen Arado): blame Luci :)

Agatha Macbeth: Bless her

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): :)

Zen (Zen Arado): ok session is finished but welcome to stay

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): thank you all for this time!

Agatha Macbeth: Wonder if Liz wants me to log this?

Zen (Zen Arado): thanks everybody

Agatha Macbeth: TC Luci

Zen (Zen Arado): could you please Aggers?

Agatha Macbeth: Oh I'll do it anyway

Riddle Sideways: lunch is finished, need to get back outside and assemble new composer

Agatha Macbeth: Yeh

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I would think so, Agatha

Agatha Macbeth: OK

Zen (Zen Arado): composer?

Riddle Sideways: rotating bins

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I need to run along

Zen (Zen Arado): I want a drone

Agatha Macbeth: TC

Zen (Zen Arado): bye Alma

Tura Brezoianu imagines robo-Mozart kit

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): hey! speaking of composer...check out my new conductors youtube channel called Ask a Maestro...will white is his namde

Agatha Macbeth: Isn't that a male bee?

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): bye for now, and happy dreaming!

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): enjoy your day all!

Agatha Macbeth: BFN

Riddle Sideways: oh! now see the missing T

Luci (Lucinda Lavender): and your dream:)

Tura Brezoianu: goodnight folks

Zen (Zen Arado): not sure where you can fly drones

Agatha Macbeth: Night Tu

Zen (Zen Arado): bye everybody

Riddle Sideways: good day, folks

Agatha Macbeth: A hive?

Zen (Zen Arado): :)

Agatha Macbeth: Bye Rid

Agatha Macbeth: Anyways, take care

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