The Guardian for this meeting was Aph. The scribing is by Agatha.

Aphrodite Macbain's current display-name is "Aph".
liaoni Resident: 's current display-name is "liaoni".

Agatha Macbeth: Hello Skaters
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Riddle!
Riddle Sideways: howdee
Aphrodite Macbain: Hello lialoni
liaoni Resident: greetings
Aphrodite Macbain: iaoni
Agatha Macbeth: Hello
Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Eliza
Bruce Mowbray's current display-name is "Bruce".
Riddle Sideways: Aggers, are you using your skarf as fishing line?
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aph :)
Agatha Macbeth: Brucie :)
Aphrodite Macbain: wves at Bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: wavdes
Aphrodite Macbain: wves
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :)
Riddle Sideways: might catch Blub
Agatha Macbeth: Do fish eat scarves?
Aphrodite Macbain: waves
Eliza Madrigal: beautiful kimono, Aggers
Aphrodite Macbain: sigh
Bruce Mowbray waves at Aph and everyone else.
Agatha Macbeth: Grazie :)
Riddle Sideways: meant Hi All
Eliza Madrigal: lioni, have you ever visited playasbeing before?
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Tura
Tura Brezoianu: hi all
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Tura.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tura :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Tu
Eliza Madrigal gets settled in
Aphrodite Macbain: Welcome liaoni
liaoni Resident: thank you
Aphrodite Macbain: these sessions are recorded and put in a public wiki. Is that OK with you?
--BELL--1.00
Bruce Mowbray: Yay. Welcome, Liaoni.
Eliza Madrigal: we've kept records of sessions since 2008, at playasbeing.org, but can leave out your name if you prefer
liaoni Resident: yes, but in that case, I might listen more than talk :P
Riddle Sideways: darn cluttered inventory, does anybody have a new PaB intro card?
Aphrodite Macbain: hmm
Bruce Mowbray: not a new one, sry.
Eliza Madrigal: I'm in the same boat, Riddle! :::plundering::::
liaoni Resident: thank you
Agatha Macbeth: Not sure how recent that is :p
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Bruce Mowbray: to Liaoni: You can also ask whoever will post the chat log not to include things you have said that you don't want in the log.
Agatha Macbeth: We need a dispenser or something
Aphrodite Macbain: I gave her one from 2008!
liaoni Resident: I got an Original copy :p
Riddle Sideways: next new year will build a bot to catalog inventory like the Dewey system
Agatha Macbeth: Better late than never
Aphrodite Macbain: Nice to see all of you here
Agatha Macbeth: Not Hewey or Lewy?
Riddle Sideways: nope
Agatha Macbeth: OK

Aphrodite Macbain: Has everyone had a chance to see the email I sent out yesterday?
Tura Brezoianu: I have a PaB intro from 2013
Agatha Macbeth: I did!
liaoni Resident: I just got a 2016
Eliza Madrigal: Sorry to bombard you with so many notes lioni :)
Agatha Macbeth: Any advance on 2016?
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks Riddle
liaoni Resident: lol! It's quite alright
Eliza Madrigal grins
Aphrodite Macbain: did everyone else see it?
Eliza Madrigal: yes, thanks Aph
Eliza Madrigal: Want me to repost the schedule here?
Tura Brezoianu: yes, I saw it
Aphrodite Macbain: Does everyone agree with the proposed schedule?
Bruce Mowbray: Please do, Eliza.
Eliza Madrigal: okay, momentito
Aphrodite Macbain: Harari discussion topics in 8 weeks January 10 Introduction & Chap 1: Disillusionment- Stories 17 Disillusionment: Artificial Intelligence 24 Chapter 2: Work - AI and Creativity 31 Happiness: Reality-Expectations February 7 Chapter 3: Liberty - Truth 14 Chapter 4: Equality 21 Chapter 5: Community 28 Chapters 19 & 21: The Buddha and the Universe, Meditation Missing chapters: 6-18. Should we decide whether to continue into March?
Aphrodite Macbain: there
Eliza Madrigal: okay, thx
Eliza Madrigal: Seems fine with me
Aphrodite Macbain: Does anyone want to propose another reading?

Intro & Chapter 1

Aphrodite Macbain: OK hearing no suggestions, let's move to Intro and Chapter 1
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yayy! :)
Aphrodite Macbain: What does everyone think of Chapter 1. Are we disillusioned?
Aphrodite Macbain: confused?
Xirana Oximoxi's current display-name is "Xirana".
Riddle Sideways: we are Disillusioned
Aphrodite Macbain: without a centre
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Xiri :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Xir.
Aphrodite Macbain: hi Xri
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Eliza! Ji everyone!
Bruce Mowbray: May I say a few things about the Intro?
Riddle Sideways: Liberal died and became a swear word
Aphrodite Macbain: Please do Bruce
Riddle Sideways: hi Xir
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, about the book in general...
Aphrodite Macbain: grins at Riddle
Bruce Mowbray: Deals with global, not individual, issues – although does deal with how global issues might affect individuals.
Bruce Mowbray: The “lessons” do not provide “answers.” They aim at promoting discussion of major issues of our time.
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Aphrodite Macbain: but he does propose some ways of thinking
Bruce Mowbray: “What is happening in the world today, and what is the deep significance of these events?”
Agatha Macbeth: Hola Xira :)
Eliza Madrigal: It felt like he wants to help us find a new footing
Xirana Oximoxi: hola guapina :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Bruce Mowbray: There is more, but let's go ahead with Disillusionment if you like.
Aphrodite Macbain: Xiri, we are discussing the first chapter of the book plus some broad ideas on it
Bruce Mowbray: We think in stories and the simpler the better.
Aphrodite Macbain: He recommends
Xirana Oximoxi: I've bought the book today..so I have had no time to read it, but I am interested in what you say about it :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm not sure if agree with him
Eliza Madrigal: One thing I'm struck by, is how we're already behind, which is partly when the changes of the last few years have caught some/many of us by big surprise
Bruce Mowbray: There is also an free online audiobook....
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe to be disillusioned we need to have illusions to begin with
Eliza Madrigal: why=when*
Aphrodite Macbain: grins
Riddle Sideways: seemed he was not caring about agree or disagree, only in starting the dialogs
Aphrodite Macbain: I think I have a lot of illusions
Xirana Oximoxi: yes, thanks Bruce :)
Bruce Mowbray agrees with Riddle....
Eliza Madrigal: How does one function without them?
Aphrodite Macbain: and all parts of the world are different in their stories
Riddle Sideways: Eliza, in these days to be edited and published in Sept. is to be wayyyyy out of date
Eliza Madrigal: true
Aphrodite Macbain: Other people have referred to these stages as modern (liberal, progressive) and postmodern (fractured and backwards thinking)
Bruce Mowbray: 3 grand stories of the 20th Century: fascism, communism, liberalism.....
Aphrodite Macbain: listens to Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Harari says that In 2018, we're down to zero stories.
Bruce Mowbray: (I disagree).
Bruce Mowbray: Not able to get reality check about what's going on. he says.
Aphrodite Macbain: we have different stories and they are not shared by everyone else
Bruce Mowbray agrees with Aph.
Riddle Sideways: Harari wrote out that those 3 died
Riddle Sideways: other stories needed
Eliza Madrigal: I get what he's saying... can't 'rely' on what we've taken for granted about western ideology as being inherently more peaceful or better for everyone, etc
Aphrodite Macbain: our ethics are outmoded? We need to invent new ways of addressing bioteach and infotech
Aphrodite Macbain: biotechnology
Aphrodite Macbain: which has sprung upon us
Aphrodite Macbain: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Technological disruption is not on the political agenda -- for nations or for individuals.
Bruce Mowbray: A sense that the future is running away with us and we can't do anything about it.
Aphrodite Macbain: everyone is grappling with it. Look at the dilemma Facebook is in
Bruce Mowbray nods...
--BELL--1.15
Aphrodite Macbain: control or laissez faire?
Bruce Mowbray: Maybe Facebook is a "sory"
Eliza Madrigal: that was sort of striking, his pointing that out, that no one in the US campaigned even remotely touching AI/biotech
Bruce Mowbray: story*
Riddle Sideways: philosophers and politicians no longer moving as fast as bio-tech
Aphrodite Macbain: nods at Eliza
Aphrodite Macbain: and Riddle
Riddle Sideways: and shhhhhhh yer-self beel
Bruce Mowbray nods and listens
Aphrodite Macbain: Our old solutions no longer work- hence disillusionment
Bruce Mowbray: Right, Aph.
Bruce Mowbray: Algorithms in charge of finance, markets – humans not able to understand.
Aphrodite Macbain: Do you think he's being a pessimist?
Eliza Madrigal: no
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- we are managed by algorhythms
Aphrodite Macbain: (sp?)
Riddle Sideways: however, does draw that out to the reader
Bruce Mowbray: In a way I do, but mostly I think he's just trying to get us to think.
Eliza Madrigal: he's like a modern prophet in some ways, saying, "nothing is inevitable, but ..."
Aphrodite Macbain: I suppose there's not much we can do about the development of AI - except to be aware of it and what it is doig to us
Aphrodite Macbain: doing
Bruce Mowbray: Harari is clearly a "liberal" --- but he sees the world going in a diferent direction(s)
Riddle Sideways: states that if you are one of the child raisers, wage earner, busy person. the thinking will be done for you and ya have to live in it
Aphrodite Macbain: How do you think he's a liberal?
Riddle Sideways: he cares
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: He says he is.
Riddle Sideways: = liberal
Aphrodite Macbain: agreed Riddle
Xirana Oximoxi: I agree with you Bruce...I've listened to some interviewws and he explains that he focus on negative aspects because big corporations etc. will just talk about all benefits of new tecnologies, which he does not deny
Bruce Mowbray: Free speech, open borders, values reason over tradition
Aphrodite Macbain: But he also thinks the liberal story no longer works
Eliza Madrigal: good point, Xiri
Aphrodite Macbain: thanks Xiri
Bruce Mowbray: Right, he's afraid that the liberal "story" no longer works.
Bruce Mowbray: snap, sry.
Aphrodite Macbain: but he calls himself a liberal
Riddle Sideways: and that is disillusioning
Bruce Mowbray: He's clearly a liberal.
Eliza Madrigal: he wants us to see how succeptible we are
Tura Brezoianu: At the end of the introduction, he almost apologises for questioning it.
Riddle Sideways: yes, Tura
Bruce Mowbray: He also says that he's writing the book in the liberal tradition.
Aphrodite Macbain: Liberals are basically optimistic
Bruce Mowbray: while we still have freedom of the press.
Aphrodite Macbain: but need to be very clear about their belief system
Xirana Oximoxi: ino free press
Xirana Oximoxi: no
Riddle Sideways: sorry, Xir
Aphrodite Macbain: Sort of Bruce.
Bruce Mowbray: without criticizing liberalism we cannot improve it, he says.
Eliza Madrigal: but liberalism has always had a blind spot, ie, visions have usually been narrowly focused
Xirana Oximoxi: he explains that until we pay a lot of money for good and fgree press...we will have the press controled by corporationds
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: which is happening now
Bruce Mowbray: Right, Xir.
Xirana Oximoxi: (in an interview...not sure in the book )
Aphrodite Macbain: Hw do you feel about what he says?
Bruce Mowbray: Also, the major challenges require the very institutions that afre breaking down or coming under suspicion.
Aphrodite Macbain: Do you believe him?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes.
Aphrodite Macbain: I feel a bit overwhelmed
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: we need new binding mythologies and animating stories, visions for who/what we aspire to, inclusive of not just all kinds of humans but possibilities that make us really uncomfortable. I think that is one way of addressing/empowering ourselves
Bruce Mowbray: climate change, nuclear weapons, rise of new tech (AI and biotech)
Aphrodite Macbain: I need to work really hard to stay on top of these changes
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes Eliza- well said
Bruce Mowbray: I think he's saying that it's beyond any individual to do that, Aph.
Aphrodite Macbain: so we need to work collectively?
liaoni Resident: I think any institution over time leans towards corruption and that we're seeing a new age where those powers wont be able to be broken apart via revolution as easily. they are all cementing themselves over us like a prison.
Riddle Sideways: right Eliza, who shall the kids look up to
Aphrodite Macbain: Nods at liaaoni
Eliza Madrigal nods, quite insightful... marches won't get it
Bruce Mowbray: e.g., blind market forces, concentration of wealth and power in an elite minority, use of tech for oppression or manipulation
Eliza Madrigal: but they can be encouraging
Riddle Sideways: yes Liaoni, Revolution is even harder now
Aphrodite Macbain: we need to be fighting all the time, not just during the occasional revolution!
Eliza Madrigal: most of our movements that gain traction now eventually scatter under the pressure to accommodate so many agendas
Agatha Macbeth: Fighting all the time doesn't seem a good solution somehow...
Tura Brezoianu: It's easy to say what "we" should do, but here and now, "we" is 8 people sitting together. How do you move the general population to do what "we" should be doing?
Aphrodite Macbain: I am happy to see how woemen and school kids are beginning to make their voices heard
Bruce Mowbray: He says that the masses are increasingly going to feel irrelevant.
Aphrodite Macbain: Good question Tura
Bruce Mowbray ponders moving the general poplation....
Bruce Mowbray: population*
Xirana Oximoxi: in the cover of the book I've bought today..it says he ha sold 12,000,000 books...
Riddle Sideways: yes, feeling more and more irrelevant
Aphrodite Macbain: That's what Information technology was going to solve...
Aphrodite Macbain: and Facebook
Riddle Sideways: wow
Aphrodite Macbain: good marketing and good writing
Riddle Sideways: let's see... if %5 read it
Xirana Oximoxi: counting 'Sapiens' and 'Homo Deus'...two earlier books of him
Tura Brezoianu: So the answer is be a Harari, or Zuckerberg, or Jobs.
Aphrodite Macbain: He writes very clearly, interestingly, without jargon
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...I agree Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: or support them at least Tura?
Riddle Sideways: and great interviews
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I'd encourage folks to watch some of his YouTube interviews.
Eliza Madrigal: I always liked, when Pema was here, how he talked about poking holes in versions/masks of reality ... really, I think Harari is going for similar. Saying, learn to keep space to see through what you are being sold
Agatha Macbeth: WB Lia
Aphrodite Macbain: critical thinking
Eliza Madrigal: welcome back liaoni :)
liaoni Resident: thank you
Agatha Macbeth: Glad we haven't bored you death
Eliza Madrigal smiles
liaoni Resident: I love this honestly
--BELL--1.30
Bruce Mowbray: Yayy!
Aphrodite Macbain: grins
Agatha Macbeth: (Your AO is on btw)
Eliza Madrigal: but I think Harari is encouraging people to be really radical, that it isn't 'easy' to see through
liaoni Resident: I think we're fighting between two world views that are conflicting. You have highly intuitive and open people who see the writing on the wall and want to make immense changes--that honestly need to occur if we are going to save our planet and also perserve the flavor of an authentic human life--and one that values security and tradition that feels very threatened right now by everything going on. These are uncharted territories, unfortunately when people who are low on the openness spectrum feel threatened they are more likely to elect authortarian leadership which will just serve to inflame the situation right now.
Riddle Sideways: exactly
Aphrodite Macbain: Sort of like Trump's "base"?
Eliza Madrigal nods nods
liaoni Resident: mhm
Eliza Madrigal: liberalism looks naive to many people these days
Riddle Sideways: the old white guys (with all the weath)
Aphrodite Macbain: great observations liaoni
Bruce Mowbray: Liberals (like myself) think we can affort to sit back an ponder the meaning of life.
Bruce Mowbray: Even if we had a clear idea of the meaning of life, what could we do about it?
Agatha Macbeth: 42
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Eliza Madrigal: It isn't straight forward linear problem solving, for sure
Riddle Sideways: (6 x 9)
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Bruce Mowbray: Seem like Harari might be saying "42" is obsolete....
Tura Brezoianu: (base 13)
Aphrodite Macbain: For me, the biggest question is how we can raise people's awareness of the issues and encourage them to act. Unfortunately democracy doesn't always work but it's the best we have.
Aphrodite Macbain: It's so slow
Bruce Mowbray: Yeppers.
Bruce Mowbray: The best we have.
Bruce Mowbray: (Churchill)
Agatha Macbeth: If people aren't ware of the issues already they're unlikely to act anyway
Eliza Madrigal: which is why I naively and liberally lean on vision and presence as being more and more important. If you see, a change or 'changemaker' often appears seemingly out of nowhere
Eliza Madrigal: but it isn't, it is sort of a collective manifestation (imo)
Aphrodite Macbain: Some people dont want to know Aggers :(
Bruce Mowbray: Democracy requires truth -- not manipulated information to serve those in power.
Agatha Macbeth: Thing is, changemakers can be two edged swords
Eliza Madrigal: of course
Aphrodite Macbain: I thin we need new kinds of leaders
Agatha Macbeth: There's the rub
Eliza Madrigal: but we're well beyond any point at which we can have enough info
liaoni Resident: It's funny that this is the topic today because I actually wrote something in my profile recently on this subject.. well, about my fears.. I have seen my nearby colleges lose the humanities programs, one by one.. philosophy, writing, art.. and it's all being replaced with programs that are about running cogs through the machine. I have been very concerned about this lately
Bruce Mowbray: Right, Eliza.
Aphrodite Macbain: It's a problem everywhere, isn't it liaoni?
Eliza Madrigal: concerns me too :( without humanities, how empathy?
Bruce Mowbray: Me too, Liaoni -- being a liberal arts major myself.
Aphrodite Macbain: I just got an MA in the Humanities and I feel like a dinosaur
Eliza Madrigal: aw
Riddle Sideways: thing is those cogs will be outdated in less then another decade and those students will need retraining
Riddle Sideways: where the humanities stay a bit longers
Aphrodite Macbain: Let's hope Riddle
Agatha Macbeth: You should have got it in dinosaurities Aph
liaoni Resident: the best kind of dinosaur <3 Joking aside, I think it'll be a virtue for you and you will come to value it greatly if you don't already :P
Aphrodite Macbain: grins- darn why didn't I think of that?
Eliza Madrigal: I have techi friends who insist that liberal arts majors are needed more than ever in their fields
Eliza Madrigal: but I don't see that translating
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes- I think I'm better for having spent those 3 years reading and writing on a diversity of topics
Riddle Sideways: often Harari is saying that too, Eliza
Bruce Mowbray: Do the limits of liberal education have anything to do with the limitations of liberal democracy?
Aphrodite Macbain: Really Eliza? That's good to know;
Eliza Madrigal: I just don't see it yet, though
liaoni Resident: that's an interesting question bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: can you expand on tat Bruce?
Riddle Sideways: also says philosophers may get it right, but will take the thousand years
Bruce Mowbray: Well, just thinking about the disillusionment thing.
Aphrodite Macbain: what are the limitations?
Bruce Mowbray: Major global challenges.
Bruce Mowbray: climate change,, nuclear weapons, poverty, etc.
Aphrodite Macbain: how do they limit democracy?
Bruce Mowbray: Are either liberal education or global institutions up to solving them/
Eliza Madrigal: paradoxically new stories and heroes, but without idolizing them ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: Maybe we're feeling disillusioned because we sued to think no problem was insolvable.
liaoni Resident: well, if you look at maslow's hierarchy of needs, you quickly realize that a lot of political tactics are to undercut one or more of the factors that lead to self actualization.
Bruce Mowbray: we're used to thinking*
Aphrodite Macbain: A very large portion of the world is not run by democratic principles. Do you think that if they become liberal things will change? and if not, will it stay the same?
Bruce Mowbray: I don't think there
Bruce Mowbray: s much hope for change without liberalism.
Aphrodite Macbain: uh oh
Eliza Madrigal: doesn't he feel that is part of the problem, the blind spot of 'us' thinking for sure we know what 'they' need. What we call liberalism in the west has moved into oligarchy, etc... nothing stays stagnant so there will be hybrids
Bruce Mowbray: Free speech, open borders, free trade, etc.... human rights.
Aphrodite Macbain: Cat imagine N KOrea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey changing
Aphrodite Macbain: Can't
Riddle Sideways: Democraticy would be a great system if the vote were not restricted
Bruce Mowbray: Democracy is a process....
Tura Brezoianu: Who is it restricted from these days?
--BELL--1.45
Riddle Sideways: in us, georgia
Eliza Madrigal nods Riddle, on the "things you can do" list, activist wise anyway
Aphrodite Macbain: those countries I mentioned
Riddle Sideways: in Catalonia
Xirana Oximoxi: :-)
Riddle Sideways: in (that other country that just had an election canceled
Bruce Mowbray: If you're Black and live in North Carolina, good luck with your vote.
Eliza Madrigal: even after voting for voting rights to be restored to felons in FL, some have had to be put under scrutiny to actually let that happen
Agatha Macbeth: Shamocracy
Eliza Madrigal: that's the up side of too much sms
Riddle Sideways: and Fla. governor is doing something weird about it
Riddle Sideways: ty Beel
Agatha Macbeth: Zebub?
Aphrodite Macbain: In Canada the issue is gerrymandering. The voting districts do not represent the population
Eliza Madrigal: here too, definitely Aph
liaoni Resident: mhm
Agatha Macbeth: Ah good old Gerry
Bruce Mowbray: Aph and I would really like for others to share the wealth of leading discussions on future chapters of this book. Next week is: Jan 17 Disillusionment: Artificial Intelligence
Eliza Madrigal: but... I know I'm not the only one who sort of came more politically alive with the shock of a few years ago
Riddle Sideways: can really talk about that ;)
Riddle Sideways: so disillusioned by Alice and Botty
Agatha Macbeth: Which shock Liz?
Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes, Eliza. COuld be one of the best things that ever happened to America....
Bruce Mowbray: Tronald Dump.
Aphrodite Macbain: Alice?
Eliza Madrigal: shocking, 'house is on fire' election
Aphrodite Macbain: Amazing
Agatha Macbeth: A few years ago?
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Agatha Macbeth: I'm lost
Riddle Sideways: awake ... like slap in face
Xirana Oximoxi: me too :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: Do you want to lead next week's discussion Riddle?
Agatha Macbeth: It was 2016 wasn't it?
Riddle Sideways: oh no
Agatha Macbeth: I thought you meant Kennedy or something
Riddle Sideways: not a leader
Aphrodite Macbain: we need leaders
Aphrodite Macbain: liberal leaders :)
Bruce Mowbray: I think the whole world is shocked and troubled. . . lies, scandals, collusions with dictators, etc etc etc.
Agatha Macbeth: Be alert - we need lerts
Riddle Sideways: us old people meant Kennedy
Eliza Madrigal: I've always been generally alert and involved, but until 2016 I wasn't willing to put in the equivalent of part time work attention ... didn't see democracy as in danger within my lifetime
Xirana Oximoxi: you do very well Aph and Bruce :-)
Aphrodite Macbain tires to look like a lert but is unsure of its gender
Agatha Macbeth: Be a lertess then
Eliza Madrigal: Riddle were you volunteering to talk about AI?
Aphrodite Macbain: JUst read the chapter
Bruce Mowbray: Aph and I would really like for others to share the wealth of leading discussions on future chapters of this book. Next week is: Jan 17 Disillusionment: Artificial Intelligence ||| Do we have a volunteer (or two)?
Aphrodite Macbain: gotta go! byeee all
Bruce Mowbray: Bye Aph. Thanks!
liaoni Resident: take care
Eliza Madrigal: bye Aph!
Xirana Oximoxi: bye Aph! tc
Agatha Macbeth: TC Aphie
Eliza Madrigal was skating with Botty and Alice before session :) They are full of questions. ^.^
Riddle Sideways: but, few answers
Agatha Macbeth: I may not make next week, will have to see how it goes
Eliza Madrigal: fit right in
Bruce Mowbray: Is Botty disillusioned?
Eliza Madrigal: Oh? If not I'll grab the log, but hope you're able to be here
Riddle Sideways: oooo, if no aggers, I not coming either
Agatha Macbeth: Nono, I'll getthe log whatever happens
Eliza Madrigal: nice try
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Eliza Madrigal: Okay Agatha, just give the word :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully my browser will upload the damn pics this week
Bruce Mowbray: kk, I will volunteer to take next week. . (said the Little Red Hen), would anyone care to join me in leading the session?
Agatha Macbeth: Unlike last week
Eliza Madrigal: I think it is the wiki... I always have trouble with that
Agatha Macbeth: I even convert them, resize them...jeez
Eliza Madrigal: I'm sorry... think I talked over people volunteering.. but what is needed, Bruce?
liaoni Resident: I hope I wasn't too outspoken for my first visit. I didn't even read the chapter.. I just have thought a lot about the topic lately
Bruce Mowbray: Just someone to read the material and to keep the conversation on topic and moving.
Agatha Macbeth: I think you said more than me Lia :p
Riddle Sideways: no, it was great you joined in
Eliza Madrigal: liaoni I'm so glad you felt welcome to participate, and appreciate your insightfulness, thank you
Bruce Mowbray: You were FINE, Liaona.
liaoni Resident: you all had such a welcoming presence
Bruce Mowbray: sp, sry.
Eliza Madrigal: wow, thanks, highest compliment
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh we're like that...
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: I really have to go now.
Riddle Sideways: no doors to shut here
Agatha Macbeth: Scrape well Brucie
Eliza Madrigal: Okay Bruce! Will be here next week and will read up
Eliza Madrigal: THANKS
Xirana Oximoxi: 'beautiful' people hehe
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, everyone.
Riddle Sideways: yes Xir
Eliza Madrigal grins @Riddle "no door" policy
--BELL--2.00
Eliza Madrigal: certainly no wall :P
Xirana Oximoxi: thanks for the conversation and thougts! :-) see you soon!
liaoni Resident: I must be off as well. It was a pleasure
Agatha Macbeth: Another brick in...no
liaoni Resident: lol!
Riddle Sideways: no mo bricks
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: thanks, lovely people. Wonderful discussion
Eliza Madrigal: bfn
liaoni Resident: I need that on a shirt. get on it and link me <3
Riddle Sideways: thanks All
liaoni Resident: I will buy
Agatha Macbeth: We don't need no thought control
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe Bleu could make one?
Eliza Madrigal: liaoni hope to see you next week too
Riddle Sideways: no dark sarcasim in the classroom
Eliza Madrigal: maybe you'll get to meet Bleu
liaoni Resident: I would love to ^_^
Agatha Macbeth: She's awesome
Eliza Madrigal: yay
liaoni Resident: this was really refreshing
Eliza Madrigal: we're a little vigorous :)
Agatha Macbeth: Refreshing is hard to find in SL nowadays
Riddle Sideways: by All, gotta go "Skating away, on the thin ice of a new day..."
Eliza Madrigal: Okay bye everybody, have to find the dog
Tura Brezoianu: goodnight all
Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
liaoni Resident: take care everyone (:
Eliza Madrigal: Night Tura :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
Agatha Macbeth: Whistle!
Agatha Macbeth: I love these guys