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2019.03.19 11:30 - Dream Session: Unlocking the Dreamworld
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No headersAttending were Agatha, Alma, Tura, Zen, Bleu, and Eliza.
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Eliza :)
Zen (Zen Arado): you're very complex tonight
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, am I?
Eliza Madrigal: Hm, it must be the wedding dress :)
Zen (Zen Arado): 306,457
Eliza Madrigal: I meant to send you am email this week. Agatha has offered to keep posting the sessions! So you have a co-host :)
Eliza Madrigal: Not sure if you read the rest of session once you left
Zen (Zen Arado): hmm
Zen (Zen Arado): will the others still come?
Eliza Madrigal: everyone was very pleased
Eliza Madrigal: so I gathered that meant yes :)
Eliza Madrigal looks over what she's wearing to see if simplification is possible
Zen (Zen Arado): read that brides now wear sneakers :)
Bleu (Bleu Oleander): hi Zen, Eliza :)
Zen (Zen Arado): but expensive ones
Eliza Madrigal: I've seen a few change into sneakers, but it has been a long time since I've been to a hip wedding
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Bleu :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Zen (Zen Arado): this is for the wedding
Bleu (Bleu Oleander): hi Alma :)
Eliza Madrigal: Maybe sneakers give some distance to the Cinderella myth aspect of weddings now
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Alma :)
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Alma
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Bleu, Eliza, Zen
Zen (Zen Arado): g;ass sneakers
Zen (Zen Arado): gless
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Zen (Zen Arado): drat
Eliza Madrigal: understood :)
Bleu (Bleu Oleander): :)
Eliza Madrigal: funny image actually... would be nice in an animation
Eliza Madrigal: Have a good week everyone?
Bleu (Bleu Oleander): yes, you?
Eliza Madrigal: ups and downs :)
Zen (Zen Arado): careworkers hurt my leg
Bleu (Bleu Oleander): hopefully not too far down?
Bleu (Bleu Oleander): oh no Zen!
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): oh dear
Bleu (Bleu Oleander): ok now?
Eliza Madrigal: yikes
Zen (Zen Arado): swung me into a dresser
Eliza Madrigal: @@
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): ouch!
Bleu (Bleu Oleander): ouch indeed
Eliza Madrigal: the usual careworkers?
Zen (Zen Arado): careless b------
Zen (Zen Arado): yes
[I accidentally teleported away at this point]
Agatha Macbeth: Here I iz
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Aggers
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): grrrr!
Eliza Madrigal: Sorry about that... was trying to reduce complexity changing hair and whoosh, there I went
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Agatha
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Tura
Zen (Zen Arado): down to 270,689
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tura :)
Bleu (Bleu Oleander): hi Tura :)
Agatha Macbeth: And here's Tu
Time Change
Agatha Macbeth: Nearly forgot the damn time change again
Eliza Madrigal: So it worked a little bit
Agatha Macbeth: SO annoying
Eliza Madrigal: agreed, so annoying
Tura Brezoianu: hi all, sorry I'm late
Zen (Zen Arado): next week too I think?
Agatha Macbeth: Wow Liz - lady in red
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Tura
Agatha Macbeth: Until April Zenny :(
Eliza Madrigal: So Zen had left earlier than we discussed the sessions continuing (last week)...
Agatha Macbeth listens
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you for offering to step in as co-host Agatha :)
Agatha Macbeth: YW ♥
Agatha Macbeth: I can do the log anyway
Eliza Madrigal: I'm going to keep doing dream work, so it will be nice to keep pace reading and checking in from time to time
Eliza Madrigal: How'd everyone's practice go this week?
Zen (Zen Arado): not so good
Agatha Macbeth: Practice made imperfect in my case
Zen (Zen Arado): dreams seemed trivial
Eliza Madrigal: wobbly wheels
Tura Brezoianu: no new dreams :(
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I had a couple of brief moments of lucidity
Tura Brezoianu: I've been trying to direct things or to ressurrect old dreams, while in a hypnagogic state, but no stories to tell about that yet.
Eliza Madrigal: That seems a worthwhile endeavor. On the boundary of sleeping?
Agatha Macbeth: Resurrecting dreams...now there's a concept
Agatha Macbeth: 'Dream...come forth'
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Tura Brezoianu: Like doing dream tending exercises while in that state
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): [thought you might enjoy this image :)]
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks Al :)
Bleu (Bleu Oleander): it seems to me that trying to dream a certain dream or trying to dream at all might interfere with the spontaineousness of dreaming and might even negate the effort of the dreaming self to 'speak' to us?
Eliza Madrigal: Haha, cute. I'll add that to the log.
Eliza Madrigal: But no traction yet Tura?
Tura Brezoianu: I've only managed general ruminations so far.
Zen (Zen Arado): yes Bleu
Zen (Zen Arado): more like encouragement to remember?
Bleu (Bleu Oleander): spoken as a 'novice' dreamer :)
Eliza Madrigal: It is a good questiion Bleu, except that, well we have an opportunity to dream every night... so many chances to dream many ways
Eliza Madrigal: and see many things, or just rest :)
The Trickster
Zen (Zen Arado): I always say 'I will remember my dreams' 3 time before sleep
Zen (Zen Arado): helps a bit I think
Eliza Madrigal: you do seem to remember many, Zen. Not sure how it tracks since we began
Zen (Zen Arado): biggest problem is overcoming the Trickster
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I've been in a long period of not recalling many dreams at all, and then last night all of a sudden I remembered several of them in pretty good detail.
Agatha Macbeth: Trickster?
Zen (Zen Arado): very persuasive in making me not record dreams
Eliza Madrigal: dream memory thief :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Eliza Madrigal: will have to shake him down when you find him ;-)
Zen (Zen Arado): a figure a guy mentioned in a video we watched
Agatha Macbeth: Ah right
Eliza Madrigal: were you able to make note of the lucid moments Alma?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes
Bleu (Bleu Oleander): it would seem to me that any chance to shut down the top-down controlling conscious self infavor of listening to the bottom-up non-conscious dreaming self would be good, but maybe just from my perspective :)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): one of them seemed to follow up on the dream about the locked vault, in a way
Zen (Zen Arado): ha ha that's funny about Stonehenge Alma
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): :)
Eliza Madrigal: Oh! a follow up!
Agatha Macbeth jumps
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen (Zen Arado): listens
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): shall I share?
Eliza Madrigal: yes please
Zen (Zen Arado): please
Tura Brezoianu listens
Agatha Macbeth: Pls
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): there was quite a bit before this part, which I will skip for brevity:
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I'm in a conference center or shopping mall, indoors. I walk down a corridor and see a booth that sells chocolate. I examine some thin, square pieces of dark chocolate. Now I seem to be implicitly aware that I am dreaming, and I wonder what it would be like to taste chocolate in a dream. I ask if they give free samples. They say no, so I ask how much a piece of chocolate costs. They say 75 cents. I reach into my pocket to see if I have any coins. ... [can't recall what happens then. I may have partially awakened.]
... I walk past some exhibits. There is one exhibit of antique cameras, musical instruments, and such. I look at it with great interest. I can see the details of the items in the display very clearly. I think they are behind a transparent barrier, to prevent people from touching or stealing them. I walk a little further and see some interesting pictures and posters on the walls. Gradually, it dawns on me that I am dreaming. I keep walking for a few more seconds, looking around and trying to
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): relax, just taking it all in before I wake up.
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): [end]
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala):now I wonder if the exhibit of cameras and other devices is a follow-on image of the locked vault from the earlier dream. I still cannot reach into it to touch the objects it holds, but I can at least see into it now
Agatha Macbeth: No dream money then
Bleu (Bleu Oleander): hope it was 86% dark chocolate :D
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen (Zen Arado): Lindt
Zen (Zen Arado): 90 % cocoa
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I think I did actually have the 75 cents, but I can't remember what happened at that point
Eliza Madrigal: yes that's interesting... so you may be unpacking or at least examining the interior vault
Agatha Macbeth: Shame
Eliza Madrigal: musical instruments are a recurring theme for you too, aren't they?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes, from time to time
Agatha Macbeth ponders the interior vault
Bleu (Bleu Oleander): do you play an instrument?
Zen (Zen Arado): reminds me of a line in a song
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): the cameras, instruments and devices were really fascinating ... I could see them so clearly and they were quite intricate
Zen (Zen Arado): 'you're always window shopping but never stopping to buy'
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I dabble in music some in RL, yes
Zen (Zen Arado): what do you play Alma?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I have a guitar and some recorders
Eliza Madrigal: I love how the dream seems full of puzzles
Zen (Zen Arado): I played guitar most of my life
Eliza Madrigal: and things behind the transparent barriers are like one step closer to being touchable/reachable
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): but that dream was quite vivid, even the chocolate squares seemed to have some designs on them
Zen (Zen Arado): old things so interesting
Eliza Madrigal: wonderful :)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I wonder if the vault dream is about unlocking the dream world
Bleu (Bleu Oleander): (sorry must handle an rl problem - nice to see you all - slips out quietly )
Eliza Madrigal: bye Bleu, tc
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): bye Bleu
Zen (Zen Arado): but cameras become extinct so quickly
Agatha Macbeth: Awww
Tura Brezoianu: bye Bleu
Zen (Zen Arado): bye Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Hope everything's OK
Eliza Madrigal: I haven't succumbed to the trend to go back to vinyl but lately I enjoy perusing the shelves
Eliza Madrigal: some need for tactile and slow arts
Zen (Zen Arado): if the conference centre is life you are enjoying its delights
Agatha Macbeth: Massage?
Eliza Madrigal: :) that too
Eliza Madrigal: that's a nice way of looking at it Zen
Eliza Madrigal: life full of curiosities
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I dream a lot about being at conferences and meetings
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): always with other people
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): all around
Tura Brezoianu: do you do a lot of those in RL?
Zen (Zen Arado): reminds me of how I walked around Sydney shops on my days off
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): not anymore
Eliza Madrigal: I'm dreaming pretty steadily... having lucid moments as well, but writing them out is all so long and full of what feels extraneous detail when it comes to sharing with others
Eliza Madrigal: I did become lucid as one dream began to close, and as it began to rain in the dream
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala) listens
Eliza Madrigal: that felt really interesting and inception-y
Eliza Madrigal: it was another pub dream actually, and I was talking to a few elderly people I understood to be friends of my grandfather
Eliza Madrigal: almost like an interview, especially by one woman
Eliza Madrigal: it feels like the pub has become the symbol of boundary communication
Eliza Madrigal: we'll see :)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): interesting
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): a gathering place
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Eliza Madrigal: I like that... we don't really have nice pubs around where I am :) So my strongest associations are PaB-SL
Zen (Zen Arado): they are dying out here too
Zen (Zen Arado): cheap supermarket booze
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, that seems way worse Zen, since so much a part of culture there
Zen (Zen Arado): not really in the North
Zen (Zen Arado): more tradition in Dublin and in the South
Eliza Madrigal: Ah :) so didn't grow up singing in pubs?
Zen (Zen Arado): yeras since I was in a pub
Zen (Zen Arado): nope
Zen (Zen Arado): very few pubs with Irish music in the North
Agatha Macbeth grins
Agatha Macbeth: Surely some in Donegal?
Zen (Zen Arado): bad places with UVF and drug dealers now
Zen (Zen Arado): Yeah but Donegal is Southern Ireland
Zen (Zen Arado): though in North West :)
Agatha Macbeth: Complicated...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: It is in Ulster tho isn't it?
Zen (Zen Arado): nope
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe I'm thinking of somewhere else
Zen (Zen Arado): easy to think that
Zen (Zen Arado): it is close to Derry
Zen (Zen Arado): but have to cross border
Hot tip coming up ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: Btw, I am not sure if I mentioned that the last several months I often use this magnesium oil on my legs before bed, and it seems to help me get into a deeper sleep on those nights
Agatha Macbeth: Really?
Agatha Macbeth: How does that work
Zen (Zen Arado): maybe I should get that
Eliza Madrigal: for me, most other things have brought some bothersome symptom over the next day or so, drowsiness or some such
Eliza Madrigal: but this is helpful also for restless legs or that kind of thing
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I take a magnesium supplement, but have not heard of magnesium oil
Eliza Madrigal: I don't think I was getting enough magnesium
Eliza Madrigal: I've been using it for long enough I can say it is worth trying
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I should try that. I have restless legs often
Eliza Madrigal: oh, definitely then
Eliza Madrigal: my PT recommended it at first
Eliza Madrigal: :) many little things can be adjusted to good effect I guess
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala) makes a note to get some of that
Zen (Zen Arado): I asked a pharmacist for something for my leg today
Agatha Macbeth: He gave you a foot?
Zen (Zen Arado): just told me to take paracetomol
Zen (Zen Arado): :)
Agatha Macbeth rollseyes
Agatha Macbeth: You'd think paracetemol cured evrything
Zen (Zen Arado): yeah
Zen (Zen Arado): I rarely take painkillers
Zen (Zen Arado): afraid of side effects
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Eliza Madrigal: just looked it up
Agatha Macbeth: Never know what's in it
Zen (Zen Arado): I had a dream with Eliza in it
Eliza Madrigal leans in :))
Agatha Macbeth: Lucky you :)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): interesting, I've never heard acetaminophen called paracetemol before
Eliza Madrigal: nor I
Zen (Zen Arado): I was staying in some kind of hotel and Eliza was there as well. I would come down each morning and sit with her but we didn't seem to talk much. There was a man who seemed to be able to fly a plane around the room! He flew into a wall and we were concerned he was going to crash but he managed to get away. He seemed to be able to shrink down to the size of the cockpit of the plane.
Tura Brezoianu: UK name
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like the name of a pharoah
Zen (Zen Arado): done
Eliza Madrigal: what a funny dream :)
Eliza Madrigal: but it sounds like we were spending pleasant company during a retreat or something :)
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't talk much...are you sure it was her??
Eliza Madrigal: :P
Zen (Zen Arado): silent Eliza
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): haha
Zen (Zen Arado): ha ha
Eliza Madrigal: cute about the pilot
Agatha Macbeth: Drop the pilot
Zen (Zen Arado): maybe because of plane crash here
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes maybe crept in
Zen (Zen Arado): a stunt pilot who crashed
Agatha Macbeth: :(
Eliza Madrigal: :(
Zen (Zen Arado): at an air show
Zen (Zen Arado): killed a few people
Zen (Zen Arado): miscalculated his height
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): flying indoors seems kind of reckless
Zen (Zen Arado): yes weird
Eliza Madrigal: the first image I had was The Little Prince
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Zen (Zen Arado): I have something to post if you want
Eliza Madrigal: "...what is essential cannot be seen by the eye" (paraphrased)
Eliza Madrigal: Sure, I didn't realize Zen :))
Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes
Agatha Macbeth: Hey that's in my profile :p
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Agatha Macbeth: In French
Zen (Zen Arado): Sustaining Relationship with an Image by Using the Senses
'Once we make friends with a guest, we need to sustain that relationship, whether in life or in Dream Tending. In other words, for better or worse, we are stuck with them and are now part of the same dreamtime...One way to increase our contact with the figure is through the use of our senses. When we listen more attentively, see more precisely, even touch, taste, and smell more fully, we bolster our connection with the living image.
Zen (Zen Arado): ... As we open our senses to an image, we experience it as a three-dimensional, fully detailed, living figure. If we are working with the image of Horse, we feel its smooth, thick horsehair, see its huge, soft eyes, and smell its undeniable horsey-ness. The image comes to life, walking on four legs and swishing its tail. As we contact the dream animal in this sensory way, we feel that Horse is actually in the room with us. As Horse embodies, it begins to assert its autonomy, its will.
Zen (Zen Arado): ..how this kind of engagement might unfold with a dream figure that is not a person or an animal. For example, in a dream image of Ocean, we use our sense of smell to pick up the strong scent of the sea. We touch the salty water to feel its texture and temperature. We imagine tasting the water to see what that might be like. Looking more closely at Ocean, we see if it is aqua blue, emerald green, or steely gray. We notice how this particular ocean is different from others. By not giving in to interpretations like Ocean as a “body of tears” or as the source of all life, We invite Ocean to come to life, present and embodied.
Particularity keeps us in direct, experiential contact with this dream image of Ocean visiting now. Using our senses of touch, taste, smell, sight, and hearing, we bring our instinctual body into relationship with the living image as an embodied entity.'
Aizenstat, Stephen. Dream Tending: Awakening to the Healing Power of Dreams
Zen (Zen Arado): Gone
Zen (Zen Arado): Done
Zen (Zen Arado): :)
Eliza Madrigal: Beautiful
Eliza Madrigal: "gone" ...poetic
Zen (Zen Arado): never thought of SUSTAINING a dream relationship before
Eliza Madrigal: So this seems to me "greeting anew" ... intentionally forgetting or bracketing that you've ever encountered such a thing as (whatever you usually call it).
Zen (Zen Arado): yes
Zen (Zen Arado): see Donald Trump with fresh eyes :)
Eliza Madrigal: who? ;-)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): the challenge is that all of this dream tending takes time and effort, which is sometimes hard to muster in the midst of a busy life
Eliza Madrigal nods
Zen (Zen Arado): he must be in my dreams for a reason
Zen (Zen Arado): yes
Eliza Madrigal: the effort, one hopes, can be woven into the way of life
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): wish he was only in my dreams
Zen (Zen Arado): must do the exercises
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds more like a nightmare Zenny
Zen (Zen Arado): I'm doing introductory psychology
Eliza Madrigal: I think this is why dream yogis want one to stop many times during the day to contemplate these questions and ideas
Zen (Zen Arado): was reading about defense tactics
Eliza Madrigal: every 15 minutes for instance :)
Agatha Macbeth: Like a 90 sec break?
Eliza Madrigal listens
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
Eliza Madrigal: *snap*
Agatha Macbeth pokes Liz
Zen (Zen Arado): had to picture someone I don't like and find what I project onto them
Eliza Madrigal: opposite of metta?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Metta is better
Zen (Zen Arado): so you see your own faults you have projected
Eliza Madrigal: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: 'Says more about you...' etc
Zen (Zen Arado): I picked Jacob Rees Mogg
Agatha Macbeth: !!
Zen (Zen Arado): British politician
Zen (Zen Arado): I think he is arrogant
Zen (Zen Arado): so I must be a bit like that too
Zen (Zen Arado): ...
Zen (Zen Arado): yes
Eliza Madrigal: what's the next step with that?
Zen (Zen Arado): work with the fault I guess
Zen (Zen Arado): heard of that before but never took it seriously
Zen (Zen Arado): so maybe I have Trumpfaults
Zen (Zen Arado): oh no !
Agatha Macbeth: Do you build walls?
Eliza Madrigal: (neither does he)
Zen (Zen Arado): ha ha
Agatha Macbeth: Ha
Zen (Zen Arado): just talks about it
Eliza Madrigal: I sometimes work through forgiveness exercises like h'oponopono ... and you begin to lose the lines between you and the other person
Tura Brezoianu: Is arrogance such a bad thing? The Scots have the expression "to have a guid conceit of yourself", which is a favourable thing.
Agatha Macbeth: Too much haggis
Eliza Madrigal nods Tura... all qualities have a reason for being I'm sure
Zen (Zen Arado): yes up to a point I think Tura
Zen (Zen Arado): :)
Tura Brezoianu: It's a question of the line between arrogance and confidence
Zen (Zen Arado): though I think the word 'conceit' has changed meaning a bit
Agatha Macbeth: The thin red line
Tura Brezoianu: I think in that phrase it would be more akin to "concept".
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes
Zen (Zen Arado): interesting Eliza
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): or "image"
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe an immaculate conception
Zen (Zen Arado): yes good opinion perhaps
Eliza Madrigal: there also couldn't be whatever trump ultimately turns out to be, without the system's support. I never hear the T word as being just one person
Zen (Zen Arado): Trump represents the opinions of a lot of Americans
Eliza Madrigal: Zizek says the shark is made to embody all our fears and project onto (in JAWS)
Zen (Zen Arado): they put him there
Agatha Macbeth: Yes the ones who voted for him
Zen (Zen Arado): Zizek?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): its a feedback loop ... he stokes their anger, and they pump up his ego with their enthusiasm
Agatha Macbeth: If sharks are all I have to worry about I'll take it!
Eliza Madrigal: lots of foolish people also think you can make deals with "the devil" to achieve "good" things
Zizek, about the shark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WMcmRWzBjs
Eliza Madrigal: Zen you aren't familiar with Zizek?
Zen (Zen Arado): I am a rationalizer
Zen (Zen Arado): nope
Eliza Madrigal: haha, what a rabbit hole
Eliza Madrigal: have fun :)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): me neither
Eliza Madrigal: Ohh, fascinating philosopher
Eliza Madrigal: very hard to listen to, lots of quirks
Zen (Zen Arado): must check him out
Eliza Madrigal: but he's done some things analyzing films which are great
Zen (Zen Arado): am reading wu wei book
Zen (Zen Arado): really good
Eliza Madrigal: what is it called?
Eliza Madrigal: the one for book club?
Zen (Zen Arado): Trying not to try
Zen (Zen Arado): yes
Zen (Zen Arado): fascinating topic
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I'm trying not to try to try to not try
Eliza Madrigal grins
Eliza Madrigal: effort without self
Zen (Zen Arado): trying to think of witty reply
Agatha Macbeth: Wu wei
Zen (Zen Arado): but tried too hard
Eliza Madrigal loves that topic
Eliza Madrigal: it isn't simplistic, but like 'karma' I think it is easy to think one understands it. Is way more interesting than surface definition
Zen (Zen Arado): starts with confucius
Zen (Zen Arado): it comes into Zen a lot I think
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): Lao Tse
Agatha Macbeth: And you should know :p
Zen (Zen Arado): because Zen is influenced by Taoism
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: It means the Way I think
Eliza Madrigal: I'm going to have to read that book with everyone :) even if not in sessions
Zen (Zen Arado): heard story of butcher before
Tura Brezoianu: I like how he brings out the differences among all those philosophers too
Zen (Zen Arado): yes
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I'm still in the introduction
Zen (Zen Arado): quite thorough
Tura Brezoianu: Wu wei is a thread running thorugh it all, but they each had different approaches to the idea
Zen (Zen Arado): yes
Eliza Madrigal: wonderful
Agatha Macbeth: Different routes to the destination maybe
Agatha Macbeth: (If there is a destination)
Zen (Zen Arado): is Lao Tsu the same as Laozi?
Agatha Macbeth: Think so
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes, I think so
Zen (Zen Arado): ok
Agatha Macbeth: Wade Giles and all that
Eliza Madrigal: Pema and Stim discussing wu wei: https://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Books/Magic_of_Time/Unpublished_Dialogues/Dialogue_with_Stim_Morane/2009.09.03_-_What_is_and_isn't_Wu-Wei?
Eliza Madrigal: Oops, take off "?" at end
Agatha Macbeth: Oh I'll have to look at that
Zen (Zen Arado): thanks Eliza
Agatha Macbeth: You have the log :P
Eliza Madrigal: all of those dialogs are great, but that's what came to mind
Eliza Madrigal: :) yes Agatha, thank you
Eliza Madrigal: one last time....
Agatha Macbeth pokes you again
Eliza Madrigal squirms
Zen (Zen Arado): link works
Eliza Madrigal: great
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal whispers: night just fell in SL for me, after changing settings when first here
Zen (Zen Arado): S: you mean, aside from the 30 years of real, sustained practice and
study in a number of different areas?
Agatha Macbeth: Never change mine
Zen (Zen Arado): sounds like Stim is Confucian
Agatha Macbeth: Land of Confucian
Eliza Madrigal whispers: He has studied Taoism deeply
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala) nods at Eliza. the SL moon is rising
Eliza Madrigal whispers: not sure why I'm whispering...
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry Zen, forgot you don't like Phil :P
Eliza Madrigal: Steven wrote a variation on the Ox Herder story
Eliza Madrigal: called Dragon's Play
Agatha Macbeth: You're hitting shift with enter Liz
Eliza Madrigal: thanks, fixed it, somehow ^.^
Agatha Macbeth grins
Zen (Zen Arado): 'I see the SL moon arising'
Agatha Macbeth: Better than shouting anway
Agatha Macbeth: That's embarassing
Zen (Zen Arado): don't go out tonight
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): lol Zen
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: could use some fireflies here
Agatha Macbeth: Call Serenity :P
Agatha Macbeth: Or Varahi Lush
Eliza Madrigal: Agatha you know everything :))
Agatha Macbeth: Oh I wish!
Zen (Zen Arado): :)
Zen (Zen Arado): see Orion constellation
Agatha Macbeth: The cure for fear is knowledge as Phileas Fogg said
Zen (Zen Arado): never see stars now
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Zen (Zen Arado): light pollution
Eliza Madrigal: nor me Zen... have to travel to *really* see them mostly, except on rare occasions
Zen (Zen Arado): saw them so much when I was a kid
Zen (Zen Arado): just had gas lamps
Zen (Zen Arado): for street lights
Zen (Zen Arado): a man came to light them every night
Agatha Macbeth: Orion and Ursa are the only two I know by sight
Zen (Zen Arado): I know The Plough and Pleaides
Eliza Madrigal: there's an instagram "astro taner" not sure if on Twitter... but shares wonderful photos
Agatha Macbeth: And the Southern Cross which I can't even see!
Zen (Zen Arado): and Pole Star
Zen (Zen Arado): from Plough
Eliza Madrigal: would like to camp somewhere mosquitos don't prevent laying and gazing into night sky endlessly
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen (Zen Arado): Milky Way is spectacular too
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I loved the stars when I was a kid ... even had a telescope (well, actually it was my brother's, but I borrowed it a lot"
Agatha Macbeth: Would love to see the SC one day
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Eliza Madrigal: how wonderful
Zen (Zen Arado): I have seen it
Agatha Macbeth sighs
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): well, I have to get going
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you for lingering Alma
Agatha Macbeth: Be well Al
Tura Brezoianu: bye Alma
Eliza Madrigal: Send me notes everybody :) don't forget me
Tura Brezoianu: and Zen
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): thank you all for your dreams and observations
Agatha Macbeth: You too Zenny
Zen (Zen Arado): bye Alma
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Zen, thank you so much
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): take care, Eliza
Zen (Zen Arado): thanks evertone
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hope all goes well for you
Eliza Madrigal: thank you
Eliza Madrigal: *namaste*
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Tu
Tura Brezoianu: goodnight all
Agatha Macbeth: TC
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Tura :) Pleasant dreams
Agatha Macbeth: Memorable ones...
Eliza Madrigal: and to us all :)
Zen (Zen Arado): goodnight
Eliza Madrigal: You two should make sure to send a note next week
Eliza Madrigal: for reminders... since it will be hard to remember the time still
Agatha Macbeth: Same crew anyway :p
Eliza Madrigal: yes... but time weirdness :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yes I should send a reminder to myself HA
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Agatha Macbeth: NOt a bad idea actually
Eliza Madrigal: I had an event alarm in my phone
Agatha Macbeth: How alarming
Eliza Madrigal: :) only thing that will get through to me
Eliza Madrigal: DING DING DING
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, what is that poem....
Agatha Macbeth: I often wonder about that
Eliza Madrigal: "the butterfly sleeps well,
perched on the temple bell,
until it rings..." (addition of the last line disputed) - Buson
perched on the temple bell,
until it rings..." (addition of the last line disputed) - Buson
Eliza Madrigal: what do you wonder?
Agatha Macbeth: What gets through to you
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: <- Nosey
Eliza Madrigal: the breaking into one's own life koan
Agatha Macbeth: Whatever that means :p
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Eliza Madrigal: yeah
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Riddle me this riddle me that
Eliza Madrigal: missing Riddle today!
Eliza Madrigal: Maybe time change got him
Agatha Macbeth: Yes where is he
Agatha Macbeth: Doubt it!
Eliza Madrigal: :::waves to Riddle::::
Agatha Macbeth: Unless he moved to AZ
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I'm super affected by time changes now... don't remember being bothered at all when younger
Agatha Macbeth: Actually not far from Cali as the crow flies
Agatha Macbeth nods
Eliza Madrigal: Spring is probably drawing everyone outward more, too
Agatha Macbeth: Will need to be back in the garden next month *arrrgh*
Agatha Macbeth: I hate gardening
Eliza Madrigal: but it must be really nice there too
Eliza Madrigal: all the blooming
Agatha Macbeth: Blooming nuisance yes
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: very hard to grow roses here in Miami
Eliza Madrigal: or at least the large brilliant ones
Agatha Macbeth: How odd
Eliza Madrigal: so many types of fungus
Agatha Macbeth: But at least you have oranges
Eliza Madrigal: true :) smells nice in upper florida
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
Agatha Macbeth: Do they grow olives there?
Eliza Madrigal: not here that I know of, no....
Agatha Macbeth: Strange
Eliza Madrigal: I think 'seasons' are needed for olives
Agatha Macbeth: Must be similar climate to the Med tho
Agatha Macbeth: If citrus trees grow
Eliza Madrigal: I wonder
Eliza Madrigal: we have so little predictable cold or cool weather
Agatha Macbeth: I can't complain about the winter this year
Eliza Madrigal: there are people making salmon farms here now
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Eliza Madrigal: needs super cold water...
Agatha Macbeth: Lots of those in Scotland
Eliza Madrigal: 'uphill battle' maybe appropriately
Agatha Macbeth: Ha
Eliza Madrigal: winter was mild?
Agatha Macbeth: Very
Eliza Madrigal: maybe spring won't be so intense then too :)
Agatha Macbeth: Only been near freezing a couple of weeks
Eliza Madrigal: come to think of it, I don't think I heard much grumbling from that direction this year at all
Agatha Macbeth: 9C now in fact
Agatha Macbeth: I've actually turned the heating of a few times
Agatha Macbeth: Which for Feb is unheard of
Eliza Madrigal: :) Very nice
Agatha Macbeth: Very
Eliza Madrigal: Someone's at my door... better go...
Eliza Madrigal: :(
Agatha Macbeth: Got the log?
Eliza Madrigal: wow... notification from Sun
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh noticed
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, yeah... had forgotten that ...just package
Eliza Madrigal: getting log....
Agatha Macbeth: Stamp free hopefully
Eliza Madrigal: weirdly, I think I worked it out with the new update.... but who knows
Eliza Madrigal: not the best timing ^.^
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Agatha Macbeth: Firestorm has a mind of its own sometimes
Eliza Madrigal: omg I just realized the log didn't clear from last time...
Eliza Madrigal: i was wondering why there were 12 pages @@
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Eliza Madrigal starts over
Agatha Macbeth: Need a note?
Eliza Madrigal: thanks, I've got it now
Eliza Madrigal: sigh :)
Agatha Macbeth: OK
Eliza Madrigal: Okay, whew
Agatha Macbeth grins
Eliza Madrigal: thank you <3
Agatha Macbeth: ♥
Eliza Madrigal: Okay, going for reals
Eliza Madrigal: George seems to have a stomach bug :(
Agatha Macbeth: See you whenever then
Agatha Macbeth: Awww
Eliza Madrigal: email me :) or anything
Eliza Madrigal: check in :)
Agatha Macbeth: I'll anything :)
Eliza Madrigal: you would
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Agatha Macbeth: HA
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Agatha Macbeth: You know me
Agatha Macbeth: 10 years eh
Eliza Madrigal: _/i\_ .·:*´¨`*:·. .·:*´¨`*:·.namaste everyone! .·:*´¨`*:·. .·:*´¨`*:·. _/i\_
Agatha Macbeth: Cheese!
Eliza Madrigal: lol :) I forgot my better bow
Agatha Macbeth: Be well
Eliza Madrigal: (((((Agatha))))
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you for everything and Sweet dreams
Agatha Macbeth: ♥♥♥
Agatha Macbeth: See ya
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