07-09 - Drip Drop

Eliza Scribing

The weather is fright'ning
The thunder and lightning
Seem to be having their way
But as far as I'm concerned, it's a lovely day
The turn in the weather
Will keep us together
So I can honestly say
That as far as I'm concerned, it's a lovely day
And everything's O.K.

Isn't this a lovely day
To be caught in the rain?
You were going on your way
Now you've got to remain

Just as you were going, leaving me all at sea
The clouds broke, they broke and oh!
What a break for me

I can see the sun up high
Tho' we're caught in the storm
I can see where you and I
Could be cozy and warm

Let the rain pitter patter
But it really doesn't matter
If the skies are gray
Long as I can be with you it's a lovely day

-Irving Berlin 

2010.03.07 08:00 - Guardian Session: village square 

arabella Ella: oh its raining
arabella Ella: Storm!!!!!!
arabella Ella: bring on the brollies
Maxine Walden: ah, weather is visiting.....a Storm
Agatha Macbeth: Doh, the roof's leaking!
Eliza Madrigal delighted not to miss a rainy meeting :)))))
arabella Ella giggles
Bleu Oleander: faulty construction :)
Calvino Rabeni: I like that idea - basically anything to personalize things - SL tends to become somewhat generic otherwise
Maxine Walden: ah and here comes the thunder
Agatha Macbeth: It's just like being in England
arabella Ella: rushes to put on sound
Maxine Walden: can feel the wet and for me the cold...
arabella Ella: havent heard thunder in months ... could we have it again Storm please?
Bleu Oleander: am starting to feel soggy
Lia Rikugun: oh i didnt have the sound on :)
Eliza Madrigal: hehe Bleu

arabella Ella: this is so cool thanks Storm!
Storm Nordwind smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Yeah, thanks for the storm, Storm :)

2010.03.07 13:00 - Addressing doubt 
 

Maxine Walden: yes, Ara and Yaku, change seems to be potentially everpresent...
Maxine Walden: sometimes seems enriching,and sometimes may seem more to bring loss
arabella Ella: yes ... change always brings loss ... but change also brings opportunities
Yakuzza Lethecus: i try not to change anything in my virtual appearance, but i constantly ask myself how to bring things from pab on a habitual level in real life
Yakuzza Lethecus: what contemplation really means
Maxine Walden: hmmm, yes, Yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: if spirituality is just bound to religion, and where do different religions possibly change same spiritual elements
Yakuzza Lethecus: i am not religious but it made me more curious about spiritual elements
arabella Ella: well Yaku religion should always involve spirituality but it does not always apply the other way around
arabella Ella: and i strongly believe there are many similarities amongst the main religions, more than people care to acknowledge
--BELL--
Maxine Walden: Imagine we all have our own spirituality, some overlapping,some very private
Maxine Walden: suppose I do not consider myself religious in formal terms but do have a strong link with spirituality in PaB terms
Maxine Walden: spirituality in terms of reaching beyond the self...that wider reality we seem to tap into in PaB. Others feel that same way?
arabella Ella: yes there seems to be a particular type of shared spirituality that is unique here at PaB
Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s even the first place for me where ppl are tolking about these issues sepratly from religion, at least i have that feeling 

2010.03.07 19:00 - Step 1 (of 12?)
 

Eos Amaterasu: I think that's a lot of what Play as Being is about
Eos Amaterasu: PlayDoh, where Doh is the model

Calvino Rabeni: @Mitzi, But that lack of trust, is not something coming from your own experience I believe - it is a conditioned attitude
Eos Amaterasu: we have no choice but to use models
Mitzi Mimistrobell: mmm!?
Eos Amaterasu: without models we are not just mute, but blind
Calvino Rabeni: SO they say - but take that as a modern mythology also
Eos Amaterasu: could be
Eos Amaterasu: but how would you say something without a model (model in a broad sense)
Eos Amaterasu: ie, sensemaking is model making
Eos Amaterasu: so you can't even perceive without models, because senses are the tangibility of models
Mitzi Mimistrobell: in exploring communication, I have found a shocking crudity in the precision of the content of speech ...

"Step 1: Admitted that he was powerless over ... abstraction!"

Eos Amaterasu admits that he's an inveterate abstraction junkie
Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... so much so that I'm more of the mind to regard speech...
Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... as a tribal bonding activity mostly, with a limited capacity to convey accurate meaning.
Eos Amaterasu: So it serves to mutually position people?
Eos Amaterasu: Here a grunt, there a grunt
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Yes, to establish dominance and submission, and to reinforce belongingness, much like a wolf pack.
Calvino Rabeni: I'm just suggesting, the modern notion of communication packs a lot of pretty questionable metaphysical baggage
Eos Amaterasu: You're probably right Calvino - it's just that it's hard to detect the baggage, it's so built in
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Can you specify some of those questionable attributes?
Calvino Rabeni: Your speech act comes with lots of context already
Eos Amaterasu: True, but also maybe not so 

2010.03.08 13:00 - If this had a title, it would go here
 

SophiaSharon Larnia: have to tried the 9 sec stops Agatha?
Agatha Macbeth: Me? Yes, but never really sure what should be stopping ;-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe yes me too, dropping identification ive wondered what it was that was seeing then
Agatha Macbeth: To be honest, I never really understood that bit
SophiaSharon Larnia: the hardest part of it wasthe idea of meditation, to me meditation turned into a nap
Agatha Macbeth: Mm, yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: so stopping became being in awareness, waking up, sort of
Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni loves to nap too
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles

Intelligence and modesty go head to head...

Agatha Macbeth: I find it hard to keep still or concentrate for any length of time, so I'm not really a good subject!
SophiaSharon Larnia: me either, staying still is hard
SophiaSharon Larnia says, as she fidgets in her chair :)
Calvino Rabeni: Au contraire, Agatha, you are an excellent subject :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes indeed
Agatha Macbeth: He he
SophiaSharon Larnia: ive dropped a while again the idea of what i 'right' or 'wrong' about 'dropping'
SophiaSharon Larnia: and just decided its as individual as each person, thats theres no right way or wrong way
Agatha Macbeth: You dropped dropping then? :)
--BELL--
SophiaSharon Larnia: yupppers
Agatha Macbeth is now totally confused
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Agatha Macbeth: I dare say I'll pick it up in time
SophiaSharon Larnia: the thing is, i dont think thers anyting to pick up, you can read the wiki and try to understand, but the way will be your own
Agatha Macbeth: Well it doOh
Agatha Macbeth: Eh?
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles 

2010.03.08 19:00 - Less is More
 

Interesting... I focused on the sequel - "...and see what you are" (after "drop what you have")
Dropped the idea that it should be some profound metaphysical "I AM"
An emergent quality I-amness that is expanded in some ways, is the result I notice
expanded in the sense of time, in the feeling of relating to people in the realm of me-ness in the minds's eye
I notice some recent memories coming back, taking a bit of a fuller significance - as if I hadn't quite had the awareness the first time 'round, and second time round they're more celebratory in some way...
If I could bottle and sell this I'd be rolling in cashola :)
But I'm really curious if the experiment could be "replicated" with other people!

Calvino Rabeni: And that was the session that was. 

2010.03.09 07:00 - Guides 
 

Calvino Rabeni: Well the more guides there seem to be, it seems there could be a loss of focus or clarity
Riddle Sideways: am putting forward the hypothesis that Calvino is real
Calvino Rabeni: And maybe some of them don't have the same status and importance
Calvino Rabeni: Some might come from different "worlds"
Riddle Sideways: at different times they have different use, need, status, importance
Calvino Rabeni: Then discrimination might be an issue
Riddle Sideways: the coffee spill guide seems to have no embodiment
Calvino Rabeni: I'm agnostic about them insofar as philosophy goes
Calvino Rabeni: But I favor their appearance
Calvino Rabeni: whether it is invoked or unbidden
Riddle Sideways: your attitude toward them is an entirely huge subject
Riddle Sideways: that we discuss a lot here
Calvino Rabeni: And I think they may need a little affirmation
Calvino Rabeni: And they are on a spectrum of appearances, somewhat on the "personal" side
Riddle Sideways: they seem to get very loud when not getting enough attention
Calvino Rabeni: the impersonal side is where everything is said to be "energy"
Calvino Rabeni: I ask my various friends to what degree they consider them "real"
Calvino Rabeni: As contrasted with something like a psychological projection or motif
Calvino Rabeni: but, it's not as important as talking to them
Riddle Sideways: hmmm, you may be on to something
Calvino Rabeni: or invoking them, praying to them, knowing when to stay out of their way, knowing when to make conditions welcoming to entice them to come closer, etc.
Riddle Sideways: on the general level of G-d, Being, Gravity, Time, etc. they are energies
Riddle Sideways: on the personal. "My special little friend..."
Calvino Rabeni: or Qualities maybe, to use a less "physics" metaphor
Calvino Rabeni: Not all are teddy bears

2010.03.09 13:00 - Droppings... and hidden gems 

Bleu Oleander: how long do "things" stay dropped?
Calvino Rabeni: Of course
Zen Arado: I find it hard to drop attachments
Calvino Rabeni: You can only drop particular things, in my opnion, not categories
Bleu Oleander: do you have to maintain attention to them to keep them dropped?
Agatha Macbeth: Attatchments to things or people Zen?
Wol Euler: interesting question, bleu ;)
Calvino Rabeni: For instance, "I'm supposed to be productive right now"
Calvino Rabeni: Or, "my attention has to stay focused continuously"
Calvino Rabeni: Or a goal I"m aware of being focused on
Zen Arado: people especially
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Calvino Rabeni: Or, it matters what happens with so-and-so
Pema Pera: (Interesting question, Bleu! Another thing I like to play with :) sometimes they jump right back, sometimes they take a while) 

2010.03.09 19:00 - Luscious Pool of Being 

Eos Amaterasu: we need to ask who, including maybe us, is pulling our strings
Eos Amaterasu: we put our own carrots in front of us
Calvino Rabeni: The ponderings of a conscious AI - what was my interface before I was constructed
Eos Amaterasu: what strings brought me here?
Calvino Rabeni: However it's theological curiosity would be more easily answered due to the obvious presence of its apparent Creator
Archmage Atlantis: Nice metaphor Eos
Calvino Rabeni: The AI not surprisingly thinks - Well who created You, then, who pulls the strings of the roboticist

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: we live in that question
Calvino Rabeni: We smuggle intelligence into our creations, and smuggle Care _out_
Eos Amaterasu: that would be nice :-)
Archmage Atlantis: If I may venture a statement....the AI is a metaphor fo God
Eos Amaterasu: the image of Kuanyin, bodhisattva of compassion, is appropriate for our age
Eos Amaterasu: And Kuanyin can be either male or female
Calvino Rabeni: I meant, in the sense of the metaphor of information, which reduces communication to an exchange of factual knowledge about objectivities of the world - and abandons both sensation and moral engagement
Calvino Rabeni: Quan Yin being the antithesis in some ways of that :)
Eos Amaterasu: notion of AI also abstracts prematurely
Eos Amaterasu: QWAN : Quality Without A Name (Christopher Alexander)
Eos Amaterasu: Yün: enriching golden luscious quality of things
Eos Amaterasu: QWAN-YUN
Archmage Atlantis: Ones and zeros
Eos Amaterasu: thin ones and fat zeros

Calvino Rabeni: Christopher Alexander wasn't willing to have his Patterns reduced to empty linguistic shells

Eos Amaterasu:the 90 secs can be a dip in the luscious pool of being

Archmage Atlantis: Lao Tze
Eos Amaterasu: patterns need to be inhabited
Calvino Rabeni: I like that - it might deserve to be highlighted in the "current definition of PAB"
Calvino Rabeni: Right Arch, Christopher Alexander appears a neo-Taoist

Eos Amaterasu: "the way that can be named is not the nameless way"