28-31 - belle belle vie

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    Rich and substantive sessions, including "The Three Confidences" with Eos, Maxine and Pema's discussion of _Time, Space, and Knowledge_, and Eden's precious memory, which becomes the title for this Scribe.

    Thanks for reading! ~Eliza 





    Wol Euler: and found this quote "Have you ever considered any real freedoms? Freedoms from the opinion of others... even the opinions of yourself?"  Wol Euler: a precursor to PaB :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i was thinking about singularity before, so the state when technologie is faster then humand development, but then came the question to my mind that it´s worthless thinking about it since humanity never really understood humanity itself so the singularity happened at our creation
    Yakuzza Lethecus: kinda weired thought in the morning :)
    Wol Euler: heavy ;)


    Fael Illyar: It is kind of a magical feeling, staring at the sun at midnight :)

    Fay Yedmore: i love tmidnight sun.jpghe morning too more
    Fay Yedmore: maybe its because it makes me aware of a fresh start of a new day
    Susi Alcott: 'they say' that there's 'morning people' and 'evening people'
    Fay Yedmore: and in mornings the feeling of the sky temp is more intens
    Bleu Oleander: morning light is a feeling of renewal
    Bertram Jacobus: ma associations with that go into the directions of light and darkness ... hm ...
    Fay Yedmore: more soft and smooth
    Bleu Oleander: opening of day
    Fay Yedmore: yes bleu

    Bertram Jacobus: yes. but do you think also, that more people prefere sunsets and if so - why ? (sry for askin again)
    Bleu Oleander: gently unpacks the space we inhabit
    Bleu Oleander: sunsets can be more dramatic in some ways
    Bleu Oleander: perhaps that is why


    Fael Illyar: you know, that everyone trying to stand on top of it kind of reminds me of the question of how many angels can stand on the tip of a pin :P
    Agatha Macbeth: Thanks for standing on my head Yaku :) 
    Zen Arado: angels on the head of a pin?
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha, got bumped and now balanced on Bleu's shoulder ever so slightly.... haha.... then someone could stand on my shoulder....
    Zen Arado: snap
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, i stand on ur knee´s by the way :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: is it possible to stand on me and eliza ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Somebody take a picture!
    Bleu Oleander: wow, i feel it starting to sway
    Eliza Madrigal has been taking pictures but isn't quite sure they are saving... new viewer and don't see them in file...
    Fael Illyar: now would be an excellent moment for zen to make it physical :P
    Eliza Madrigal: shhhhhh
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Eden Haiku: hey Qt, I was flying to see the art piece floating then realized it is you?

    Qt Core: yes, life imitatimg art, right ?

    Pema Pera: from an amusement park to an amazement park . . . .


    Agatha Macbeth: I quite enjoyed the little session in the Village square earlier on 
    Wol Euler: ah, the primmery :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry I missed it
    Wol Euler: what happened?
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm / Yakuzza Lethecus: we played with the art a little :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh we were climbing all over the sculptures and generally behaving like idiots :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    Wol Euler: business as usual, then.
    Agatha Macbeth: (Nothing new there)  


    Pila Mulligan: it was interesting to read that the organic material our bodies are made of are in large part micorganism that change completely at a failry quick rate
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes I am mostly non-human DNA
    Pila Mulligan: and water :)
    Pila Mulligan: so we really may have had several bodily changes over the decades  

    Paradise Tennant: smiles

    Pila Mulligan: wiki: water 'may be as high as 75 percent of the body weight'
    Susi Alcott: one of my friends told him to be stardust :)

    Pila Mulligan: travelling light :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Paradise Tennant: smiles we all have stardust ! ..there has to be magic in that :)
    Pila Mulligan: for sure



    Calvino Rabeni: One unexpectedly nice thing was, I had through pure random circumstance, a cabin that was designed by an artist as a complete work of art
    Calvino Rabeni: so it was like sleeping inside a painting Calvino Rabeni: Which gave me impressions and some dream influences Calvino Rabeni: Many stories were told. :)

    Tarmel Udimo: it is difficult... the place i stayed at when i went on my writing retreat was lovely, but also shanga 'owned' and so there had been much discussion around allowing me to be there etc... sometimes groups can blow things out of proportion
    Tarmel Udimo: or should i say the interaction between individuals in a group;)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I felt like there was some of that going on
    Calvino Rabeni: But the effort was to get past "you have your opinion and I have mine" to a more group "knowing" - not easy to explain, but consensus is more than voting or everyone having their "say"


    painted.jpgEden Haiku: What is this dream circle Lucinda?
    Lucinda Lavender: In dream circle we open the four directions listening for the messages of the dream.
    Lucinda Lavender: We use a stone which gives us our turn to speak.
    Eden Haiku: Inspired of Native Indians traditions it seems, wow. And now we have the shaman coming in. (Susi had put on a nice shamanic attire with feathers and furs) To you I call...

    Lucinda Lavender: The stone spirals around and each dream is read.

    Lucinda Lavender: After each dream is read we go back to the first dream. and give it a longer turn.
    Lucinda Lavender: When the stone is in our hands we check to see if there is something to share. And at the end or sometimes in the middle. we weave them together.

    Eden Haiku: Thanks Zen. I think all this underground knowledge is connected somehow, don't you Susi?
    Eliza Madrigal: the corridors of the unconscious, Eden?

    Lucinda Lavender: sometimes we dream each others stories too.
    Eden Haiku: During the pause, a memory came back. I was maybe one year old, in my stroller, in the village where I lived. My mother pushing my stroller on the country road. We were going to her mother's house I think. She was carrying a bunch of lilacs as a gift. She caressed my face with the tiny lilac flowers and said: "You are going to have a wonderful life" : Une "belle belle vie"in French. This memory is always helping whenever I feel anxious.
    Lucinda Lavender: What a lovely memory!
    Lucinda Lavender: So rich in many ways.

    Eden Haiku: We are trying to discuss deep subjects and keep it light too. That is why it is called Play as Being.


    Zen Arado: I can talk to myself now
    Susi Alcott: smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: and go dancing
    Agatha Macbeth: Don't you anyway?

    Storm Nordwind: Perhaps everyone here except you and me is also really me ;)
    Eden Haiku: Who is the second 'me' Storm?

    Eden Haiku: I have my twin sister alt. She has not come for a while. Let me invite her (she lives in my laptop),
    Zen Arado: interesting to try life as a woman
    Zen Arado: or a man

    Qt Core: mmm, i may make the trek officer and the borg cube argue...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I thought so

    Eliza Madrigal: when one has a no self sighting.... is that a kensho...?
    No Self: Pema stumbled upon me, I guess, Eden

    No Self: no self no haiku / no path and yet a few words /just to please Eden

    Eden Haiku: I think Rrose has to find the wireless mouse if she wants to sit...
    Rrose Millar: I found the wireless mouse!
    Agatha Macbeth: With the wireless cat?

    Zen Arado: wondes how much of our masculine/feminine traits are learned
    Zen Arado: threatens sense of self maybe
    Agatha Macbeth: What does?
    Zen Arado: a gender identity
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Storm Nordwind: Or liberates it perhaps
    Zen Arado: sorry if this is offending anyone
    No Self: No doesn't feel threatened at all

    Qt Core: are some alts... "droppings"
    No Self: what identity?
    No Self looking around

    Agatha Macbeth: If truth be known there are probably only about 100 people in SL
    Wol Euler grins
    Agatha Macbeth: The rest are all Alts



    Wester Kiranov: So you want to know what PaB means to me? Why it's important to me?
    Archmage Atlantis: That would be a good start......I often wonder why I continue to return

    Wester Kiranov: It is hard to explain. There is openness here, a willingness to talk about anything including sensitive subjects, and a willingness to really listen.
    Wester Kiranov: I'm not saying we always succeed, but we are all willing to try and to listen if people think it's not going right.
    Wester Kiranov: And there is the base of the 9-second practice, which I think touches on a truth I don't have words for.
    Archmage Atlantis: If I say to you, there is no "right", what would you say
    Wester Kiranov: I do agree there is no absolute right, completely separated from wrong. However, some of these sessions go better than others, in some sessions we opening up more, going deeper, listening better.
    Wester Kiranov: And in that sense correction is possible.
    Archmage Atlantis: ok Archmage Atlantis: I welcome that deep thought
    Wester Kiranov: ty
    Wester Kiranov: Another reason I come here is that I feel there's a real sense of community
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, somehow there is community in dfference'
    Wester Kiranov: I also like having a place where I can be silent together with others
    Archmage Atlantis: Pema and Storm have done much in philosophy, tho neither is a philosopher
    Wester Kiranov: yes
    Wester Kiranov: I think many 'real' philosophers get lost in all the words and details and forget what's behind it 


    Riddle Sideways: last night I celebrate Pesach / Passover
    Liza Deischer: ah
    Riddle Sideways: only 11 people in the house this year

    Riddle Sideways: nice to have it smaller
    Liza Deischer: only 11
    Liza Deischer: to me that is an invasion
    Riddle Sideways: we have had 28 some years
    Liza Deischer: wow
    Riddle Sideways: that is an invasion
    Liza Deischer: :-)

    Riddle Sideways: we tell an ancient story in first person
    Riddle Sideways: that is so amazing
    Riddle Sideways: all around the world there are people telling the same story
    Riddle Sideways: and they have for 2500+ years
    Riddle Sideways: and it is told in first person
    Riddle Sideways: I was there
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Riddle Sideways: that is more then my reincarnation
    Liza Deischer: counting in past lives?
    Riddle Sideways: that is me connecting with an endless stream of conscienceness
    Riddle Sideways: not really full past lives
    Riddle Sideways: a continual slice of time.

    Liza Deischer: what do you think Bleu?
    Bleu Oleander: about art?
    Bleu Oleander: curiosity
    Bleu Oleander: drives me
    Liza Deischer: about having this passion
    Bleu Oleander: to experiment with art, music
    Bleu Oleander: passion drives my curiosity
    Bleu Oleander: which in turn increases my passion
    Liza Deischer: or the other way around ?
    Liza Deischer: ah
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Bleu Oleander: circular
    Bleu Oleander: hard to know which came first
    Riddle Sideways: who cares


    Bertram Jacobus: but i have a question in my mind : would this practise also be fine for somebody who didn´t do any meditation before ? sry - am very unsure about that ... hm - because my own access to it was and is quite different ...
    Storm Nordwind: I would say yes
    Bleu Oleander: I would agree

    Storm Nordwind: Especially as experienced meditators might not call it meditation! ;)
    Bertram Jacobus: ah - the naming it "micro meditation" is a quite smart way to help accept it as such ;o)
    Storm Nordwind: But the important thing is it's very accessible
    Calvino Rabeni: I think of it as "awareness" but not "meditation"
    Calvino Rabeni: There's no wrong way to do it
    Storm Nordwind: Cal's right - awareness is a better word, although it can sound wishy-washy to some people :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i find "micro meditation" quite clever as words for it :o)
    Bertram Jacobus: didn´t find that my self for sure
    Bertram Jacobus: heard it here
    Calvino Rabeni: But, when you "get" awareness, then it is possible to do with it various things, if you know meditation or other practices that can be done in a short time.
    Calvino Rabeni: I think of as "a meeting with myself" with an open agenda
    Calvino Rabeni: Whatever the things I do within that time, are not the definition of the practice

    Pila Mulligan: rather than being a skirmish that distracted from other issues, the civil rights movement was the culmination of the most fndamental controverysies in American history
    Calvino Rabeni: I don't see it as a specifically american issue
    Pila Mulligan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
    Pila Mulligan: in most of the rest of the Western world, legalized discrimination was not as bad as in the US
    Pila Mulligan: it was brutal in the US
    Pila Mulligan: by dealing with the issue, in law, the Us opened the door to social justice issues such as those you are concerned with, througout the world
    Calvino Rabeni: I guess I see american slavery as particular form of a more general issue of economic power and oppression, not specifically defined by race
    Pila Mulligan: that is true, but in the US it all fell on the slavery issue
    PiCalvino Rabeni: And the social justice issues are still too much (in my opinion) defined by social identity factors (race, gender, etc.) rather than class and power
    Pila Mulligan: it takes time to undo the tribal structure of genetic memory
    Calvino Rabeni: True, and that is important too

    Pila Mulligan: most violent oppression arises in conflicts between groups, overshadowing the oippression within groups
    Calvino Rabeni: That is something worth looking at carefully


    Eos Amaterasu: These three phrases are also described as "the three types of confidence"
    Eos Amaterasu: What's puzzled me is that in a way they seem backwards
    Eos Amaterasu: You would think that first you can see clearly
    Eos Amaterasu: then you can see what is, how things are
    Eos Amaterasu: and then you can make decisions based on that.
    Eos Amaterasu: However, this can also describe a kind of PaB approach.

    Eos Amaterasu: Which is to drop everything, and let everything be, and start with where you are
    Eos Amaterasu: Not even start, since that implies going somewhere, but just be
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: So you have sense of appreciation, or presence
    Eos Amaterasu: within which and around which everything happens
    Eos Amaterasu: It's "The Eos Amaterasu Experience", playing live
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eos Amaterasu: It's good and bad, happy and sad
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    Eos Amaterasu: sunny weather and rainy weather 
    you let it all happen, neither pushing away nor pulling it in, and not ignoring it either
    that's a state of being
    being like a mountain
    on which are grasses, and trees, and rocks, and clouds, and goats, and rain 
    but the mountain is there
    Eliza Madrigal: What a beautiful image
    Eliza Madrigal: a strong image
    Eos Amaterasu: be-ing there, so things come and go, but the appreciation, the allowance, the presence is there no matter what happens
    Eos Amaterasu: that's one sense I get of "be decisive"
    it's not "be discursive", or mull over this and that, but remain in the space of your awareness in which everything happens


    Maxine Walden: This was my first reading of the book and I did have a few first impressions:
    --that in reading it I was in the presence of a very wise man, in the language, candence, pacing of the author'
    and that sense of wisdom in itself brought a sense of calm.
    Maxine Walden: --also that the writing was so packed with things to think about, or that I could not get my mind around, that I was rather constantly feeling 'oh, I am not getting it all...I am missing things...'

    Maxine Walden: And I soon had to realize that I was grasping and anxious in that approach to the reading
    Maxine Walden: So I soon realized I had to relax and take in what I could, that there would likely be more readings of the book, and more to take in

    Maxine Walden: --Then the opening to space: the sense of realizing that 'things' are surfaces to open to as are thoughts, and even experiences; these were some of the realizations from the first part of the book

    Maxine Walden: I had been reading and trying the exercises included in the book
    Maxine Walden: and one night I awoke in the middle of the night and felt a quiet calm sense
    Maxine Walden: a sense that I could feel that all Time was right 'here' within my glimpse, that past, present and future were all right 'here'.

    Maxine Walden: For me there was in that glimpse a great calm, a spacious calm in which everything just was quietly present, without hurry, without movement really.

    Maxine Walden: And it felt possible to look at more and more , almost it felt an infinite degree, of detail at any one moment. It was one of those moments I will probably remember for the rest of my life.

    Maxine Walden: I suppose it lasted maybe half an hour...and I felt I wanted to come back and visit all there was to see and note and appreciate, hoping to have a recallable moment for the rest of my life
    Maxine Walden: So I have held the memory of that experience and feel it as a guide in the rest of the reading

    Maxine Walden: I suppose one more thing:

    The Great Knowledge for me seems to be a kind of knowingness (which the author mentions), not an active striving sense at all, but a calm presence, always been here, always accessible as I can open myself to it, come quietly perhaps, without rush or reaching; also I am aware that much of the time I do not have access to these higher forms of Time, Space and Knowledge, that I am in the pressure of the everyday world with my petty concerns

    Maxine Walden: But it does feel that there is a background awareness abiding, and that as I can settle my daily concerns, I have more option to then open and appreciate these higher levels of Time Space and Knowledge.

    Pema Pera: the bottom line is a kind of unconditional trust, confidence
    Pema Pera: trust in Being and its aspect of Great Knowledge, as much as I trust in there being space to step in when I open a door -- even without knowing what is outside a new door, I trust there to be space to step in, and time in which to take a step -- similarly with knowledge
    Pema Pera: viewing Knowledge on a par with Space and Time is a very powerful kind of reorientation of your whole life
    Pema Pera: viewing Knowledge, or knowingness, not as some scarce resource, not as something locked up in special places like heads or books . . .
    Pema Pera: breathing knowledge like air is even too weak a metaphor; space is better, since air can still be in short supply :)

    Pema Pera: What I have learned through relying on Knowledge is, I guess, similar to what many practitioners have learned in their various traditions, when calling that source of Knowledge God, or Emptiness, or Tao, or Muses, etc

    Pema Pera: Last point:
    Pema Pera: when reading TSK, it may seem abstract at first, hard to grasp and even harder to imagine what you can possibly do with it.
    Pema Pera: But by now, I see TSK as the most concrete, and Being as what TSK are aspects of in some way as most concrete
    Pema Pera: in comparison everything else has become abstract!
    Pema Pera: concepts, a house of cards, all designations leaning on each other . . . .

    Maxine Walden: and for me it has felt that to pursue these explorations authentically, which I think is important, it so be authentic with oneself at least to start with, otherwise one tries to mimic or do it according to someone else

    Eliza Madrigal: TSK seems to me unique in that it gives a challenge ... One can't really explore it without letting down some guards along the way... relaxing the grasping to understand in traditional ways, as Maxine describes...
    Zen Arado: he gives practical exercises too which I like
    Pema Pera: yes, Eliza, TSK is very radical in that sense
    Pema Pera: TSK is a trickster    

    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Maxine Walden: ??
    Pema Pera: the prose suggest that each sentence should be understandable
    Pema Pera: and yet each sentence is like a koan
    Maxine Walden: ah yes

    Pema Pera: it is very much Stim : trying hard to look ordinary, while saying something very extraordinary :-)

    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Maxine Walden: smiles as well
    Pema Pera: almost succeeding . . .
    Maxine Walden: indeed so
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Pema Pera: (Steven Tainer wrote the text on behalf of Tarthang Tulku, based on very many lenghty interviews)
    Pema Pera: in Zen, they talk about standing on a 100 feet pole
    Pema Pera: and then stepping forward
    Maxine Walden: !
    Pema Pera: I guess Stim lets us stand on what looks like a half foot pole
    Zen Arado: yep:)
    Pema Pera: inviting us to step forewards
    Pema Pera: only to find there is no ground there :)


      Susi Alcott: well...how is that Navi world Fay and Bert ? 
      Bertram Jacobus: whaow - that you actual ask it susi ! i just thought : too intense, these avatars, lemme / lets   change it perhaps     ... ;-)
        Susi Alcott: _/!\_
        Bertram Jacobus: and it's a very ideal world as i experience it
        Bertram Jacobus: very close to nature and such
        Bertram Jacobus: living in harmony
        Bertram Jacobus: even being wise ...
        Susi Alcott: _/!\_
        Bertram Jacobus: for all that i love it so much
        Bertram Jacobus: a possibility to bring peace to some masses


    Lucinda Lavender: randomly speaking...if we were to consider something we saw today...I curious how different those things would be...
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, interesting idea Lucinda (framing the pause)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Calvino Rabeni: I liked that question - I visualized going the place I usually go during the day, then scanned over it to see if there was anything unusual that I saw along the familiar round - what would stand out?
    Eliza Madrigal: And? What did you find?
    Calvino Rabeni: And what it was, a huge, immense, large tree, that I'd never seen before in the neighborhood
    Eliza Madrigal: where you've lived a long while?
    Calvino Rabeni: And I actually after passing it, did a U turn to go back to look at it more
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Eliza Madrigal: maybe that's the concentrated aspect I often try to describe... that in SL it seems often a distillation... shot of whiskey, as it were
    Reflection Freenote: a reflexive response is a conditioned habitual response or a neurologically simple response (like a knee jerk)
    Calvino Rabeni: I see, I thought it was "reflection" in the sense of introspection about experience
    Reflection Freenote: yes, eliza, about distillate, although, I think of it as a haiku, as opposed to RL being an epic poem
    Eliza Madrigal: an interesting comparison!
    Reflection Freenote: it seems the dominance of symbolism here allows for a laser-like specificity of meaning and response
    Eliza Madrigal: a haiku seems little more than a sketch, and yet conjurs beyond its means
    Reflection Freenote: less is more

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