2010.03.09 13:00 - Droppings... and hidden gems

The Guardian for this meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are by Storm Nordwind.

This session quickly becomes an active discussion on 'dropping'. In itself that is very interesting. After an hour, however, many people leave and the style of the conversation changes distinctly. What then ensues is also very interesting in its own way.

The title of this chat log is a slightly mischievous play on the word 'droppings', and the juxtaposition of the idea of 'hidden gems' is quite intentional. You'll have to read through the entire chat log, and access all the links provided, to understand why your guardian's sense of humor became so twisted in this way!

But first, let's be serious... (!)

On arrival there is some light-hearted chit-chat about the weather we're experiencing.

Pema Pera: Hi Storm!
Storm Nordwind: Hi Pema!
Pema Pera: and hi again, Calvino!
Storm Nordwind: Hello Cal :)
Calvino Rabeni: Greetings !
Pema Pera: Calvino and I just had a walk in the woods, here in Princeton, in RL
Storm Nordwind: Very nice. Warm?
Pema Pera: it's amazingly warm, in the sixties
Qt Core: hi all
Calvino Rabeni: Hi Qt
Pema Pera: with still a bit of snow left from last week
Pema Pera: hi Qt!
Storm Nordwind looks at the temperature outside... 10C/50F here
Pema Pera: How's Boulder?
Pema Pera: pretty nice too!
Storm Nordwind: Not been to Boulder for a few weeks... it's 45 minutes from here
Qt Core: 0C and snowing here in nortjern italy
Pema Pera: sorry, Denver I meant :-)
Pema Pera: I know more people in Boulder, so I made a mental sideslip
Storm Nordwind: haha! had the first rain since October yesterday
Storm Nordwind: Going down to Crestone on Friday
Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni admits to some envy about the Crestone visit
Qt Core: we are told we are getting the same cold that froze the Baltic sea last week
Storm Nordwind tries to remember what this 'sea' thing is :)
Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
Pema Pera: Hi Agatha!
Pema Pera: Good to see you again!
Storm Nordwind: Hi Agatha!
Qt Core: hi Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: You too :)
Calvino Rabeni: If you set your SL draw horizon to its minimum, you'll see something sealike
Pema Pera: :)
Storm Nordwind: I've lived close to the sea for so long - more than 50 years - that it's odd to find it nearly 1000 miles away. I've swapped real sea for real mountains I guess.
Agatha Macbeth: Aww

We start to talk about 'dropping'.

Pema Pera: Agatha, I saw in one of the chat logs of last week that you were wondering about the idea of "dropping what you have to see what you are" -- indeed a somewhat enigmatic sentence :)
Agatha Macbeth: I did?
Pema Pera: does it make some sense, or no sense (or counter-sense)?
Pema Pera seems to remember so . . . scratching his head
Agatha Macbeth: Knowing me, probably nonsense :_
Bleu Oleander: (hi everyone)
Pema Pera: :-)
Agatha Macbeth: :p
Qt Core: hi Bleu
Pema Pera: hi Bleu!
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Bleu
Pema Pera: I think someone asked whether you had been playing with the 9-sec breaks -- that was the context
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry I've been to bed since then, so I don't remember ;-)
Pema Pera: :)
Storm Nordwind: Brain reset :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Agatha Macbeth: That looks ok to me

The difference between 'having' and 'being'.

Pema Pera: does the whole notion of differentiating between having and being make some sense?
Agatha Macbeth: Well you can be without having I guess
Agatha Macbeth: But you can't have without being
Agatha Macbeth: Or something

Shoshin! :))

Pema Pera: yes, that's a key point . . . and the fun is figuring what each can mean in practice -- in the practice of daily life
Pema Pera: I consider myself very much still a beginner in that respect
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Agatha Macbeth: YOU do?
Pema Pera: our everyday language is so funny
Pema Pera: oh, sure!
Agatha Macbeth: No hope for the rest then?
Storm Nordwind: Plenty of hope!
Agatha Macbeth: Oh ok
Bleu Oleander: maybe you've had a bit of a headstart, Pema?

Labels and identification vs. actual experience.

Pema Pera: we say "I am rich/poor" but "I have/don't have money" -- we mix having and being right and left
Pema Pera: for every "have" example we have a "be" example in our language -- no wonder we are confused
Agatha Macbeth nods
--BELL--
Storm Nordwind: People seem to be used to applying labels to things... and then forgetting that they're labels and start identifying with them
Agatha Macbeth: They remember the labels and forget the things?
Pema Pera: What I find most helpful is not to argue/analyze too much, but rather to compare notes about our direct experience, for example in this group. -- and yes, to report on how we encounter those labels and those identifications in our actual experience.
Pema Pera: hi Wol!
Wol Euler: hello invisibles
Bleu Oleander: hi Wol
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Wol :)))
Storm Nordwind: Hi Wol
Pema Pera: hello visible imponderable!
Qt Core: hi Wol
Agatha Macbeth: Escaped early tonight then?
Wol Euler: yeah, first time in seven consecutive days that I got away before 9:30
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Workaholic!
Pema Pera: hi Zen!
Zen Arado: Hi all
Agatha Macbeth: Evening Zen
Storm Nordwind: Hi Zen :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Zen
Wol Euler: (sorry to interrupt, please continue)
Storm Nordwind: (We were discussing stuff around "dropping what you have to see what you are" )
Wol Euler: ty
Agatha Macbeth reads back to remember what we were talking about

Thoughts like pets!

Pema Pera: As just one example, of sharing experiences: when I just did a short 9-sec break, earlier this afternoon, it hit me again how we "have" thoughts, when you really look at them, like pets running around, even though we normally identify so totally with them, and get carried away that way
Pema Pera: any other description of what happens, experimentally, when trying to drop what you have to see what you are?
Pema Pera: (for me it's different each time I try to do it)

I seem to be carrying such a lot!

Storm Nordwind: My first immediate experience is often "What a huge inventory I have!"
Pema Pera: :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Join the club :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Wol Euler: heheheh
Agatha Macbeth: Mind you, if you take the clothes out of mine there's not much left

Should we sort what can be dropped and perhaps go for 'quick wins'?

Calvino Rabeni: Sometimes I just ask myself - "is there something I'm holding right now, that I'd like to be free from?" and then I'll get a "response" to that question, and I find it very droppable
Calvino Rabeni: And then when I drop, things feel different in a way I like
Calvino Rabeni: So sometimes the dropping idea works like that
Storm Nordwind: Do you find it as easy to drop the things you like?
Pema Pera: can you give a specific concrete example, Calvino?
Calvino Rabeni: I don't worry about that - clearing space dropping the others is a big first step
Bleu Oleander: how long do "things" stay dropped?
Calvino Rabeni: Of course
Zen Arado: I find it hard to drop attachments
Calvino Rabeni: You can only drop particular things, in my opnion, not categories
Bleu Oleander: do you have to maintain attention to them to keep them dropped?
Agatha Macbeth: Attatchments to things or people Zen?
Wol Euler: interesting question, bleu ;)
Calvino Rabeni: For instance, "I'm supposed to be productive right now"
Calvino Rabeni: Or, "my attention has to stay focused continuously"
Calvino Rabeni: Or a goal I"m aware of being focused on
Zen Arado: people especially
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Calvino Rabeni: Or, it matters what happens with so-and-so
Pema Pera: (Interesting question, Bleu! Another thing I like to play with :) sometimes they jump right back, sometimes they take a while)
Calvino Rabeni: or - I'd *really* rather be doing such and such other thing right now
Zen Arado: what kind of things do we form deep attachmenta to ?
Pema Pera: ((haha, just notice Wol and I thought identically))
Calvino Rabeni: Baby steps - start with the easily dropped baggage
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Well in my case more to people than to things

Play at dropping!

Calvino Rabeni: I'm not going to be macho and say - hey, I'll drop GRAVITY so there!
Zen Arado: yes me too Aga
Agatha Macbeth: Ok Isaac
Agatha Macbeth smiles @ Zen
Pema Pera: oh, but you can drop your automatic response to gravity, by taking a lighter gait for example!
Agatha Macbeth: Or using a balloon?
Pema Pera: dropping your shoulders, for one thing
Zen Arado: habitual reactive patterns
Calvino Rabeni: People - yes is a big part of what is going on in - other people
Storm Nordwind: Isn't that dropping one thing and taking up another thing Pema?
Calvino Rabeni: BUt it has to be in the moment I believe
Pema Pera: oh, sure, that's part of the play :)
Pema Pera: (to Storm)
--BELL--
Calvino Rabeni: Not like - right now I'll drop my reactive pattern of what happens on holidays with my family :)
Agatha Macbeth: (Strange bell)

What 'dropping' is intended to mean.

Pema Pera: the "dropping" in PaB is not meant as "getting rid of" (like gravity) but "dropping automatic identification with", finding lighter and freeer ways to be with.
Agatha Macbeth nods
Calvino Rabeni: I don't see it as a matter of spiritual hygeine for instance, like cleaning the garage
Zen Arado: dropping your personality?
Calvino Rabeni: Right, that would be improbably
Pema Pera: wearing your personality more freely, as a garb rather than a skin
Bleu Oleander: not taking yourself so seriously?
Calvino Rabeni: I see it like a "right now doable skill" kind of thing
Pema Pera: and giving yourself the freedom to sometimes react "out of character" :-)
Calvino Rabeni: Skillful means
Pema Pera: indeed, Bleu !!
Zen Arado: a personality makes us rigid and stiff having to live up to it
Calvino Rabeni: Not result-oriented
Storm Nordwind: Some people relish Second Life for that very opportunity
Wol Euler smiles.
Zen Arado: nods
Agatha Macbeth: A not-personality?
Pema Pera: yes, we can react out of many characters here :)
Wol Euler: and invent others. Or discover them
Zen Arado: personality is only an idea anyway?
Agatha Macbeth: Probably
Zen Arado: what we think we are?
Zen Arado: not our true self?
Wol Euler nods.

Who am I? What am I?

Agatha Macbeth: Are we what we think we are or what others think we are?
Zen Arado: neither I suspect
Qt Core: both ?
Qt Core: :-)
Qt Core: :-)
Bleu Oleander: what is our "true self"?
Zen Arado: what we were before we developed a self or personality?
Bleu Oleander: isn't the self always evolving?
Zen Arado: the underlying awareness
Qt Core: getting some serious chat lag
Wol Euler: I thik so, bleu; hope so too
Wol Euler: *think
Zen Arado: it kind of imprisons us though I think
Qt Core: are we what we are while we are not thinking about what we are ?
Calvino Rabeni: At lunch we were talking about how some of what we think is true, is actually just "made up" in the moment to get a believable story to come together to make sense of things
Zen Arado: thiunk so :)
Wol Euler: :)
Calvino Rabeni: And not just perceptions, but also, perhaps, aspects of "self"
Calvino Rabeni: But that seems spooky, no?
Agatha Macbeth: That seems spooky yes
Zen Arado: our 'original face before we were born'
Zen Arado: before we adopted roles to survive and please others
Calvino Rabeni: But did you ever notice the kind of internal song and dance that goes on, when unsure about how to respond to a situation? Behind the scenes, perhaps a lot is getting "built", even in the present time, not just as a matter of childhood training

Hunger, wonder and how to imprison a child!

Zen Arado: was just watching myself telling a young child what everything was on Sunday
Zen Arado: sticking labels on things for him
Wol Euler smiles.
Zen Arado: you know how they say ;what;s that?
Calvino Rabeni: It goes to show, how intelligent we are, and how flexible, to actually be more like an improvisational performace than like a fixed object!
Zen Arado: and we provide concepts that imprison them to some extent
Wol Euler: I wonder ...
Zen Arado: they lose the wonder
Zen Arado: just use the label....
Wol Euler: whether that is true, or correctly stated. Children have such a hunger for facts, a huge need to know about things
Zen Arado: well they need that knowledge too to survive I guess
Bleu Oleander: it's a balance
Zen Arado: yes maybe

Build an enclosure to build a door?

Wol Euler nods. I've been watching my boss's kid lately, seeing him learn to spot patterns in the world
Calvino Rabeni: They want freedom and security too
Wol Euler: perhaps you need to build walls, floor and ceiling first, in order to then open a door.
Calvino Rabeni: Remember the mother bird analogy that came up in a previous session?
Calvino Rabeni: @wol yes
Zen Arado: yes Wol

A live experiment in dropping identifications (or was it identities!?) brings lots of reports, like stars appearing in a darkening night sky.

Pema Pera: how about spending the next 90 seconds to try to drop identifications, and then report what we find, in our direct experiences?
--BELL--
Pema Pera: would anyone like to share an impression?
Wol Euler smiles. I've really missed this, the last week.
Agatha Macbeth: You sure have :)
Storm Nordwind: I am sitting in my 5th floor apartment in Denver overlooking the Rocky Mountains. Dropping identifications was suddenly like walking into someone else's apartment! :)
Bleu Oleander: was difficult to tell whether or not the identifications were sufficiently dropped and when that happened .... perhaps needed more time
Zen Arado: we have two ID's to drop!
Qt Core: complete failure, i thought even more about them
Wol Euler: heheheh
Storm Nordwind loves honest answers!
Calvino Rabeni: I get quite task oriented - multitasking - that was the first thing to drop, even to do the pause
Zen Arado: Zen and John in my case
Pema Pera: what hit me was the identificatio with time, with the way to consider moments to be causally connected
Wol Euler: true, zen, a very good point
Calvino Rabeni: Zen, you think big :)
Zen Arado: :)
Calvino Rabeni: I think of those as "identies" not "identifications"
Zen Arado: Zen ID is stronger in here
Zen Arado: at
Zen Arado: atm
Calvino Rabeni: The I's seem pretty complex
Wol Euler nods to Calvino
Calvino Rabeni: ... to me personally
Calvino Rabeni: but I'm willing to try it some time
Pema Pera: (Bleu, we can't expect to do something perfectly right away, any little dropping is worth while :))
Calvino Rabeni: The little stuff falls off, the core remains
Pema Pera: does it?
Qt Core: i hope it will ;-)
Zen Arado: trying to think waht an identification is
Wol Euler muses. Is saying "I am Wol" different to saying "I am good at maths"?
Pema Pera: ah, that's the "core problem", Qt, hope . . . .
Wol Euler: wol is an identity, good at maths is an identification (I think)
Pema Pera: perhaps you are just "Wolling" . . . .
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Zen Arado: ah the object we identify with?
Wol Euler: :)
Calvino Rabeni: There's a difference between "I AM a productive person" versus "I made the decision to have this task and that task" etc.
Wol Euler: yes, true
Zen Arado: 'good at maths ' is an ability?
Calvino Rabeni: So the I wants to "survive", but might be willing to drop quite a few of the little "have" things
Calvino Rabeni: And that in turn, changes the "I"quality

How about dropping nationality!?

Bleu Oleander: I think it would be interesting to have a pause where we all tried to drop the same identification, say nationality, and then reported how that felt
Pema Pera: interesting idea, Bleu!
Wol Euler: Pema does that all the time :)
Calvino Rabeni: :) I like that idea :)
Pema Pera: Alas, I'll have to leave at the next pause
Calvino Rabeni: SOme different thing each time - suggested by various people
Pema Pera: hehehe, Wol, yes, I'm about to become denaturalized
Bleu Oleander: maybe next time :)
Calvino Rabeni: it woudl be fascinating
Wol Euler: agreed
Pema Pera: (fromt the Dutch point of view)
Calvino Rabeni: Sure, a good experiment - probably fun also :)
Bleu Oleander: will be interesting to see if you can drop the Dutch point of view ....
Zen Arado: I don't think of myself as a nationality very much
Zen Arado: only comparing with others
Agatha Macbeth: Gets a bit complicated in that part of the world Zen ;-)
Zen Arado: true - am I British or Irish ?
Wol Euler: or EUropean?
Agatha Macbeth: Am I British or English?
Zen Arado: yes that too :)
Agatha Macbeth: Like wise
Bleu Oleander: or a citizen of the world
Agatha Macbeth: Confusing
Zen Arado: should always be dropping nationality maybe
Pema Pera: under normal circumstances we don't reflect much on these things, Zen -- but after 9/11 I'm often asked critical questions when I enter the US as a non-citizen, like "why do you live in the US and go to Japan so often" . . . . that then suddenly triggers your awareness of nationality, especially when some border guards add "I have the power to send you back, you know" (I'm *not* kidding!)
Wol Euler: O.O
Storm Nordwind: OH!!
Pema Pera: that's the main reason to become a US citizen
Pema Pera: not to be at the whim of such individuals
Wol Euler nods
Agatha Macbeth: Look what happened to Chaplin
Zen Arado: true Pema
Storm Nordwind pushes the lid firmly down on that can of worms
Agatha Macbeth: He he
Pema Pera watching half-worms slithering on the table
Storm Nordwind chuckles
Bleu Oleander: :)
Agatha Macbeth: My god it's full of worms!

Many partings.

Storm Nordwind: Gentlefolk, I must leave you for another meeting
Wol Euler: bye storm, take care
Zen Arado: bye Storm
Bleu Oleander: by Storm
Storm Nordwind: Namaste
Zen Arado: namaste
Pema Pera: I'll have to leave too!
Pema Pera: bye for now
Bleu Oleander: bye Pema
Wol Euler: bye pema, enjoy the day
Zen Arado: bye Pema
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now guys
Agatha Macbeth: Big Ben.......
Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni slips out during the pause
Agatha Macbeth: Cya Cal
Bleu Oleander: bye everyone :)
Zen Arado: bye Cal
Wol Euler: bye, take care
Calvino Rabeni: bye agatha
Wol Euler: bye bleu
Wol Euler: (I keep typing "blue")
Qt Core: bye Blue, Cal
Zen Arado: bye bleu
Agatha Macbeth: You too Bleu
Zen Arado: et tu Bleu
Qt Core: not only you Wol ;-)
Bleu Oleander: Blue works too .... I'm not attatched to that spelling :)
Wol Euler: ah!

Warning! Hidden gems alert! The Surgeon General has determined that reading on through the rest of this chit-chat log may be beneficial to your well-being. :) You have been warned!

Agatha Macbeth: Ah, the great 2.00pm exodus
Wol Euler considers looking up "blue" in Latvian or Serbo-Croat, to try those on her :)
Zen Arado: et tu Brutus it was
Agatha Macbeth: Or Bleutus?
Wol Euler: Bluto?
Zen Arado: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Gee Olive
Wol Euler laughs
Zen Arado: as he stabbed Ceasar
Agatha Macbeth: Well he got the point
Zen Arado: :)
Wol Euler groans
Zen Arado: feels like Aga's straight man :)
Agatha Macbeth needs to think about that one
Wol Euler considers a risque comment, but restraints herself
Agatha Macbeth coughs
Zen Arado: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Anyway...
Zen Arado: there's a guy doing a play about Eric Morecambe atm
Zen Arado: without Ernie....
Agatha Macbeth: oooh
Wol Euler nods
Wol Euler: one of the great love affairs of our time
Zen Arado: wonder how he manages that?
Agatha Macbeth: How can you have one without the other?
Wol Euler: well, you can't. Eric retired at once
Wol Euler: IIRDC
Wol Euler: IIRD
Zen Arado: and his short fat hairy legs :)
Wol Euler: damn
Agatha Macbeth: 'I'm playing all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order'
Zen Arado: :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Mr Preview
Agatha Macbeth: Gotta love that
Zen Arado: Previn
Agatha Macbeth: Rudolf Nearenough?
Wol Euler: :)
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: double acts are disappearing
Wol Euler: hmmmmmm
Zen Arado: had their day
Agatha Macbeth: Sadly
Zen Arado: true
Zen Arado: Little and large
Zen Arado: never liked each other much
Agatha Macbeth: Mills and Boon
Zen Arado: :)
Wol Euler: the two ronnies
Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes!
Wol Euler: fry and laurie
Zen Arado: yes
Agatha Macbeth: And in a packed program tonight
Wol Euler: french and saunders
Zen Arado: cannon and ball
Agatha Macbeth: Ant and Dek
Agatha Macbeth: Beavis and Butthead
Zen Arado: the latest burt not comedians?
Wol Euler: poor qt probably has never heard of one of these
Zen Arado: Laurel and Hardy
Agatha Macbeth: Forgot them!
Zen Arado: Abbot and costello
Wol Euler: hmmmmmmmmmmm
Agatha Macbeth: Weren't Dean Martin and Gerry Lewis a team at one time?
Zen Arado: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Wol Euler: is it true to say that double acts are disappearing, or is that a symptom of the greater fact that *comedians* are disappearing?
Zen Arado: bob hope and bing crosby
Agatha Macbeth: Most become politicians Wol
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Zen Arado: yes that too Wol
Qt Core: a few, (love Martin and Lewis)
Agatha Macbeth: Are there any famous Italian comedians QT?
Agatha Macbeth: (Apart from Mussolini)
Qt Core: we have now one, that would may even like to be more famous than Mussolini, its name starts with B ;-)
Wol Euler: he's a barrel of laughs, all right
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, right
Zen Arado: your PM
Agatha Macbeth: If it's the one I'm thinking of
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds a bit like 'burlesque'?
Qt Core: did any of us heard about the big mishap his men made in the presentation of the list for the next regional elections ?
Zen Arado: Goredon Brown too serious to be a comdian:)
Qt Core: of you
Zen Arado: no Qt?
Agatha Macbeth: Tell us QT
Qt Core: basically the didn't present them in the district of Rome
Zen Arado: Hi Alfred
Agatha Macbeth waves to Alf
Alfred Kelberry: how are you guys today?
Wol Euler: qt, I'm looking for a song on youtube to post here. Name a singer/comedian on Italian TV in the 70's? tall, thin, blonde, glasses
Wol Euler: hello alf
Agatha Macbeth: Discussing comedians
--BELL--
Wol Euler: name E... M... maybe?
Qt Core: raimondo vianello ?
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like Alf :)
Alfred Kelberry: which ones?
Qt Core: hi alf
Agatha Macbeth: Italian ones at the moment
Alfred Kelberry: em, no familiar with italian comedy
Zen Arado: there used to be a ventriloquist on the BBC.....on radio :)
Zen Arado: not too difficult :)
Qt Core: raimondo vianello and his wife, sandra mondaini started in the sixties and they are still going strong today
Wol Euler: heheheheheh
Agatha Macbeth: Now THAT's Irish Zen ;-)
Wol Euler: now that is what I call "suspension of disbelief"
Zen Arado: before your time Aga
Zen Arado: Peter Brough
Agatha Macbeth: Oooh thank you!
Zen Arado: :)
Alfred Kelberry: nice glasses, qt :)
Agatha Macbeth: Isn't that in East Anglia?
Qt Core: ty alf
Zen Arado: :)

Warning! Scary video alert! The Surgeon General has determined that playing the following actually really rather awesome video may seriously affect your sense of humor for the whole of the rest of the day. :)

Wol Euler: found it!!!
Wol Euler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov_UksYViOc
Alfred Kelberry: you've been to a 3d movie?
Qt Core: when he try Dario Fo (the italian nobel literatire laureate) is a great comic too
Qt Core: went to a machinima festival... didn't understand any of the works
Alfred Kelberry: er, what was that, wol?
Wol Euler: Adriano Celentano!
Wol Euler: not exactly E M ...
Alfred Kelberry: so, it's like a comedy thing?
Qt Core: the original is from several years before
Wol Euler: try it, alf, it won't bite
Qt Core: that is how english sound to italians ;-)
Alfred Kelberry: well, i did :)
Wol Euler laughs
Agatha Macbeth: Preferred 'shut uppa ya face' :)
Agatha Macbeth: But he was Australian I think
Qt Core: Celentano, is not only a singer, he made several comedic movies and a couple not comedic ones too
Zen Arado: can't think who said that
Agatha Macbeth: How's yer tulips Alf?
Alfred Kelberry: still glowing :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Agatha Macbeth: More radioactive than ever
Alfred Kelberry: but i don't get this italian clip
Qt Core: for is way of moving he usually remind me about a mix of Jerry Kewis and Elvis Preasley
Qt Core: his
Qt Core: Lewis
Agatha Macbeth doesn't know Jerry Kewis
Wol Euler: very big in France, that's all you need to know
Wol Euler is snide.
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, ok
Qt Core: wrong spelling, Lewis
Wol Euler: you're looking quite chaplinesque in that moustache, alf
Agatha Macbeth: Ok Inspector Morse :)
Zen Arado: not allowed to open can of worms :)
Agatha Macbeth: We already closed one of those Zen...
Alfred Kelberry: well, it's supposed to be dalinesque actually :)
Agatha Macbeth: Who's Dalin?
Zen Arado: Dali
Wol Euler: the French are proof that time travel is possible, the entire culture has remained in 1962
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: Oh my Dalin oh my Dalin
Zen Arado: surreal
Wol Euler: ((better strike that from the log, dear GoC ))
Zen Arado: Clementine :)
Alfred Kelberry: aww, i like this clementine movie

Warning! Satire alert! The Surgeon General has determined that playing the following video may seriously improve your sense of playfulness. :)

Qt Core: warning! political satire by Dario Fo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCc-fj0HLHk
Qt Core: with subtitles too
Agatha Macbeth: When's Fellini coming on?
Zen Arado: didn't understand 'Blow Up
Wol Euler: oh, I loved that film.
Wol Euler: didn't understand it either :;
Zen Arado: weren't meant to undestand it maybe
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: like Being
Zen Arado: like everything
Alfred Kelberry: fellini is overrated
Agatha Macbeth: Let's drop it then
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Qt Core: when directors start to make art and not movie i can't understand their movies
Alfred Kelberry: it's like one of those things now that you just must say: I LOVE IT!
Agatha Macbeth: What is?
Alfred Kelberry: otherwise you're a fool and can't appreciate art
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.

Warning! Bad joke alert! The Surgeon General has determined that reading the next lines may be detrimental to your sense of humor. :)

Zen Arado: you know #Psycho' wasn't even nominated for an Oscar?
Agatha Macbeth: You hum it, I'll play it
Wol Euler: boom boom
Agatha Macbeth: /me
Agatha Macbeth: meep
Agatha Macbeth: rather
Alfred Kelberry: :P
Agatha Macbeth: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
Alfred Kelberry: road runner was so funny when i was a kid
Wol Euler: :)
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: ...not anymore :/
Zen Arado: needs double meep :)
Agatha Macbeth: That's it!
Agatha Macbeth: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
Zen Arado: you like Irish comedians Aga ?
Zen Arado: FRank Carson?
Agatha Macbeth: Like Ian Paisley?
Zen Arado: ha ha
Agatha Macbeth: He kills me
Wol Euler: paddy doyle
Zen Arado: it's the way he tells them :)
Wol Euler: loved "the snapper"
Agatha Macbeth: To be sure!
Agatha Macbeth: Yeah, Frank Carson is good
Zen Arado: never see him nowadays
Agatha Macbeth: And Dave Allen of course
Zen Arado: ah yes
Agatha Macbeth: 'Ears pierced while u wait'
Zen Arado: saw him start in Australia
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Agatha Macbeth: 'Where the hell do they think you're gonna go?'
Zen Arado: in the 60's
Agatha Macbeth: Love dthat
Qt Core: i had just discovered (and just had my english good enough to understand) George Carlin when he died
Wol Euler: oh no, when did he die?
Qt Core: some months ago
Zen Arado: have to go
Zen Arado: bye all
Zen Arado: ciao
Qt Core: 22 June 2008
Qt Core: cia Zen
Agatha Macbeth: Night Zen
Qt Core: times fly...
Wol Euler: bye zen, take care
Qt Core: time to go for me too, bye all and have fun with or without comics ;-)
Wol Euler: buona notte, qt
Qt Core: 'notte wol
Agatha Macbeth: Notte QT
Agatha Macbeth: Enough with the IMs already...
Wol Euler: look who's talking :)
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
Wol Euler: so alf, what's new in Moscow?
Agatha Macbeth: Mama mia!
Alfred Kelberry: em, less snow :)
Agatha Macbeth: Snow crash?
Wol Euler: yeah, a really great book.
Wol Euler: prescient, in factd
Alfred Kelberry: not yet, but going there :)
Wol Euler: *fact
Agatha Macbeth: Burbclave!
Agatha Macbeth: Like that
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Alfred Kelberry: the last book i've read was...
Agatha Macbeth: Wind in the willows
Agatha Macbeth: ?
Wol Euler snorts
Alfred Kelberry: the well grounded rubyist :)
Agatha Macbeth: Close
Wol Euler: heheheh
Wol Euler: true that
Agatha Macbeth: What's a rubyist?
Alfred Kelberry: hey, it's really good one :)
Alfred Kelberry: a person programming in ruby
Agatha Macbeth: OH
Agatha Macbeth: Ruby, emerald....
Wol Euler: ruby, ruby, when will you be mine?
Agatha Macbeth thinks of a song by Kenny Rogers
Alfred Kelberry: pretty dense stones
Alfred Kelberry: btw, did you wish buzz a happy birthday?
Agatha Macbeth: Ruby Tuesday?
Agatha Macbeth: Buzz Lightyear?
Wol Euler: buzz aldrin?
Alfred Kelberry: aldrin
Alfred Kelberry: yep
Agatha Macbeth: To infinity and beyond!
Wol Euler: huh
--BELL--
Wol Euler: he must be pretty old, late seventies?
Agatha Macbeth: One small step for a man
Alfred Kelberry: planetary.org had a project gathering messages from around the world and then presented him with a huge birthday card :)
Alfred Kelberry: 80
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Wol Euler: wow
Agatha Macbeth: Good old Buzz
Alfred Kelberry: probably the last from a handful of guys to visit the moon for many years ahead
Wol Euler: says here that he was born on January 20
Agatha Macbeth: Aquarius
Alfred Kelberry: yes, something like that :)
Alfred Kelberry: ok, i'm off now
Alfred Kelberry: you girls have fun
Wol Euler: we will
Agatha Macbeth: Thought it was the cat :)
Wol Euler: bye alf, take care
Alfred Kelberry: bye :)
Agatha Macbeth: We girls will Alf ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Salaam

Caring Agatha.

Agatha Macbeth: And how's you then?
Wol Euler: tired
Wol Euler: we have about anohter week of this madness
Wol Euler: but I shall be in bed at midnight tonight
Agatha Macbeth: For a change
Wol Euler: yeah
Wol Euler: I'm getting too old for this crap
Agatha Macbeth: What Pab?
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Wol Euler thwaps you with a pillow
Agatha Macbeth falls sideways
Agatha Macbeth: Ever thought of moving into another field?
Wol Euler: short answer: no.
Wol Euler: I don't dislike my job at all, it's just the hours.
Agatha Macbeth: Couldn't you get the same work eith less hours?
Agatha Macbeth: with
Wol Euler: possibly
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, but have you tried?
Wol Euler: no
Agatha Macbeth: Well there you go
Agatha Macbeth: Can't keep doing eight day weeks forever you know
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Well it was certainly livelier tonight than las night
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: ok, I must go.
Wol Euler: goodnight aggers, it was nice to see you again
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now :)