2014.10.25 14:00 - Guardian Meeting: Reinvention

Attending were Aph, Catrinamonblue, Blue, Wol, Mick, San, Bruce, Eos, Eliza, Raffi, Kori, Ari and Stevie

Greetings:

[ 13:57]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): Hi San
[ 13:58]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): Hi all
[ 13:59]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): Hello Again :)
[ 13:59]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): :-)
[ 13:59]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): Hi San
[ 13:59]  Catrinamonblue: Hi San :)
[ 14:00]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): Hi Wol :)
[ 14:00]  Wol Euler: evening all
[ 14:00]  Wol Euler: happy saturday
[ 14:00]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): you look very comfortable today!
[ 14:00]  Catrinamonblue: Hi Wol :)
[ 14:00]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): Hey again Mick :)
[ 14:00]  Wol Euler: it#s my Onset Of Winter outfit :)
[ 14:00]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal) smiles
[ 14:00]  Wol Euler: hello mick
[ 14:00]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): Hi Wol
[ 14:00]  Mickorod Renard: :)
[ 14:00]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): cute
[ 14:00]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): Hi Bleu :)
[ 14:00]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): hi all :)
[ 14:01]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): Onset - like a twin set?
[ 14:01]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): Hi Bleu
[ 14:01]  ButterflyAire: is online.
[ 14:01]  Wol Euler: that is a terrific dress, bleu
[ 14:01]  Mickorod Renard: Hi Bleu, wol
[ 14:01]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): ty :)
[ 14:01]  San (Santoshima): greetings all
[ 14:01]  Mickorod Renard: san
[ 14:02]  San (Santoshima): mick
[ 14:02]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): Let's give a few minutes for everyone to trickle in
[ 14:02]  Catrinamonblue: :)
[ 14:02]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): Hi Raffi, Bruce
[ 14:02]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): hi Raffi, Bruce :)
[ 14:02]  Red (talkwithmarie): is online.
[ 14:02]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): such nicely dressed attendees today
[ 14:02]  Mickorod Renard: hi Raffi
[ 14:02]  Catrinamonblue: Hi Raffi :)
[ 14:03]  Raffila Millgrove: hi everyone.
[ 14:03]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): Hi Raffi
[ 14:03]  Wol Euler: hello bruce, raffi
[ 14:04]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): Hello, good people!
[ 14:04]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): hi Kori
[ 14:04]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): Hi Kori :)

Beginning Meeting:

[ 14:04]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): Bleu I'm glad you made it today. When I was reading over our guardian session from a few weeks ago, you threw out the idea of whether it might be time to freshen our avies, or create new.... were you seriously thinking of a new project?
[ 14:04]  Wol Euler: hello korel
[ 14:04]  Wol Euler listens.
[ 14:04]  Korel Laloix: Osiyo
[ 14:04]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): well, was thinking it might be fun
[ 14:05]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): to not know who everyone was
[ 14:05]  Wol Euler: could you (one of you) expand on that a little?
[ 14:05]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): be a "new" person for a while?
[ 14:05]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): could we tell who was who?

[ 14:06]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): it would be, although I think my conversational patterns would give me away, for the same reason people IM my alts within 5 minutes saying "are you...?"
[ 14:06]  Wol Euler nods.
[ 14:06]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): so come in one of our alts?
[ 14:06]  Wol Euler: the difference might be more internal than external
[ 14:06]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): I would love a reason to start anew though
[ 14:06]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): ok so you would be easy :)
[ 14:06]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): hehe
[ 14:06]  Wol Euler: *would* in fact, in my experience
[ 14:06]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): It might be fun to reinvent oneself
[ 14:06]  Wol Euler: i can recommend it :)
[ 14:06]  Catrinamonblue: I wouldn't be able to participate in that due to some RL circumstances
[ 14:06]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): leave inventory behind...
[ 14:07]  Mickorod Renard: I could come as my wife
[ 14:07]  Raffila Millgrove: lol Mick
[ 14:07]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): hehe
[ 14:07]  Mickorod Renard: he he
[ 14:07]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): that might be intersting for u MIck
[ 14:07]  Mickorod Renard: :)
[ 14:07]  Mickorod Renard: I could swear lots
[ 14:07]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): !!!
[ 14:07]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal) smiles

[ 14:07]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): I feel like a different person simply by wearing horns....
[ 14:08]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): so maybe one time per week we could show up in a group and see if we could tell?
[ 14:08]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): a little nastier...
[ 14:08]  Korel Laloix: That could be fun.
[ 14:08]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): Antlers aren't so nasty, Aph.
[ 14:08]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): It would be weird to walk into a room full of strangers...
[ 14:08]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): antlers would give you away Bruce
[ 14:08]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): nods, for sure.
[ 14:08]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): sounds fun... a theme session
[ 14:08]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): these are devil's horns, your antlers are cuddly

[ 14:09]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): and if we could invite people who don't normally attend it would be even better
[ 14:09]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray) ponders antlers being cuddly.
[ 14:09]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): a kind of masquerade
[ 14:09]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): yes!
[ 14:09]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): (they have that furry mossy stuff on them Bruce)
[ 14:09]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): Just in time for Halloween?
[ 14:09]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain) feels right at home
[ 14:09]  Wol Euler: wb san
[ 14:09]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): Heya, San!
[ 14:09]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): not sure I could reinvent myself in a week.... but hm Fall with traces of halloween?
[ 14:09]  Mickorod Renard: nice idea
[ 14:10]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): doesn't have to be that fast!
[ 14:10]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): then we can discuss what it felt like...
[ 14:10]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): yep
[ 14:10]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): I love the idea
[ 14:10]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): cool idea.
[ 14:10]  Wol Euler: agreed
[ 14:10]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): should we plan the date for a guardian session time like this
[ 14:10]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): ?

[ 14:11]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): PaB Masquerade
[ 14:11]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): yay
[ 14:11]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): sure- then we can advertise it in email
[ 14:11]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): Heya, Ari!
[ 14:11]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): Hi Ari
[ 14:11]  Catrinamonblue: Hi Ari :)
[ 14:11]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): Hi Ari :) I'll make you a note so that you aren't left out of what we've discussed
[ 14:11]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): this seems to be the best time for all?  or for many at least?
[ 14:11]  Wol Euler: hello ari
[ 14:11]  Mickorod Renard: hi Ai
[ 14:11]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): hi Ari
[ 14:11]  Ari (Arisia Vita): greetings all
[ 14:11]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray) ponders Navi navigation.
[ 14:12]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): :)
[ 14:12]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): lol
[ 14:12]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): OK so that will be fun... fresh views
[ 14:12]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): celebration
[ 14:12]  Mickorod Renard: I will have to check out my time zone..will be in Mumbai from monday
[ 14:12]  Ari (Arisia Vita): ponder Na'vi embarrassment while you're at it
[ 14:12]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): for how long mick?
[ 14:12]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): mid November Eliza?
[ 14:12]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): WOW! INDIA!
[ 14:13]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): cool
[ 14:13]  Catrinamonblue: neat
[ 14:13]  Mickorod Renard: I wonder what time it is there now?
[ 14:13]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): (or maybe not cool)
[ 14:13]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): yes, or early december even.. edge of winter.... should think about it
[ 14:13]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): winter solstice?
[ 14:13]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): november is pretty busy for me but I think this would be livening
[ 14:13]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): a time for change?
[ 14:13]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): ah, nice Aph!
[ 14:13]  Wol Euler: nearly 3am in Mumbai now, mick
[ 14:14]  Mickorod Renard: ahh cheers Wol
[ 14:14]  Wol Euler: so GMT+4
[ 14:14]  Mickorod Renard: well..its not that late then
[ 14:14]  Wol Euler: or SL+11
[ 14:14]  Mickorod Renard: erk
[ 14:14]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): Hi Stevie...am giving you a notecard of idea discussed so far
[ 14:14]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): what are u doing there MIck?
[ 14:14]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): (when you emerge from the underworld)
[ 14:14]  D. The Songbird [NT]: Rear Door: Door is locked. stevenaia Michinaga is at the door.
[ 14:14]  Mickorod Renard: good question..not sure
[ 14:15]  Wol Euler: hello stevie
[ 14:15]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): yayy you made it!
[ 14:15]  Mickorod Renard: adding to my madness

[ 14:15]  Catrinamonblue: Hi Steve
[ 14:15]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): hi Steve :)
[ 14:15]  Mickorod Renard: Hi Stevie
[ 14:15]  stevenaia Michinaga: waves, sorry to be late
[ 14:15]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): Heya, steve!
[ 14:15]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): no worries :)
[ 14:16]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): So let's share more about that idea in the next few weeks as we work on ourselves

[ 14:16]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): Item 2...
[ 14:16]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): HAPPY REZDAY TO RAFFI!
[ 14:16]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): ♥ ♥ ♥
[ 14:16]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): ♥ ♥ ♥
[ 14:16]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): It will be interesting to see if we change our character and habits too
[ 14:16]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): YAYYY!
[ 14:16]  Mickorod Renard: yipeeee
[ 14:16]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
[ 14:16]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): 8 years @@
[ 14:16]  Wol Euler: happy rezday!
[ 14:16]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): congratulations Raffi!
[ 14:17]  Mickorod Renard: 8 years? flippin ek
[ 14:17]  Catrinamonblue: wow
[ 14:17]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): lol Mick
[ 14:17]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): *•.¸('*•.¸ ♥ ¸.•*´)¸.•*
[ 14:17]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander):           woo hoo
[ 14:17]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): ¸.•*(¸.•*´ ♥ `*•.¸)`*•.¸
[ 14:17]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): many seasons of SL coming and going in that time
[ 14:17]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): This is .... ELEPHANTASTIC !!
[ 14:17]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray):               _____
[ 14:17]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray):             /  0        \____
[ 14:17]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray):           /   _    \__/         \
[ 14:17]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray):          /  /  \      ____     I  \
[ 14:17]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray):         /_/      I    I       I    I
[ 14:17]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray):                    I__I       I__I
[ 14:17]  Raffila Millgrove: Raffi bows. ty ty
[ 14:17]  Korel Laloix: wow.. funny enough, yesterday was my 9th Rez day... Different AV though.
[ 14:18]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): Congrats to you too Kori (or, er..other avie)!
[ 14:18]  Korel Laloix: Almost in SL for a thrid of my life now.

[ 14:18]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): amazing we've been here that long!
[ 14:18]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): agreed
[ 14:18]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): I am a baby here I guess... or a mere teen
[ 14:18]  Raffila Millgrove: it went by so fast.
[ 14:18]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): ty Aph :))
[ 14:19]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): do you have words of wisdom to offer Raffi? observations that come to mind?
[ 14:19]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): we're the same age Eliza :)
[ 14:19]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal) braids Bleu's hair
[ 14:19]  Ari (Arisia Vita): wb San
[ 14:19]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): lol
[ 14:20]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal) passes notes in colorful markers, covered in stickers
[ 14:20]  stevenaia Michinaga: hello San
[ 14:20]  Wol Euler: re-wb san

[ 14:20]  Raffila Millgrove: Not really. What have i loved... to watch here.. are the days.. the lighting on of the sky.   W3 get extra ones here in SL.   so I enjoyed every sunset and sunrise...  to watch them.  they are beautiful.
 [14:20]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): teeny boppers
[ 14:20]  San (Santoshima): technical difficulties ... keyboard lockup
[ 14:20]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): wb San
[ 14:20]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): that's lovely Raffi "I have loved every sunset and sunrise"
[ 14:20]  Raffila Millgrove: it's like my life was expanded.. made longer.. and richer by being here.
[ 14:21]  Wol Euler smiles.
[ 14:21]  San (Santoshima): :) lovely
[ 14:21]  Catrinamonblue: :)
[ 14:21]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): you've made our lives richer too Raffi!
[ 14:21]  Mickorod Renard: almost like having 2 lives
[ 14:21]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): ::;claps:::
[ 14:21]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): hah, mick
[ 14:22]  Mickorod Renard: :)
[ 14:22]  Wol Euler: heheh
[ 14:22]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): or more!
[ 14:22]  Wol Euler: hello eos
[ 14:22]  Ari (Arisia Vita): welcome Eos
[ 14:22]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): Hiya Eos
[ 14:22]  stevenaia Michinaga: hello Eos
[ 14:22]  Catrinamonblue: Hi Eos :)
[ 14:22]  Mickorod Renard: Hi Eos
[ 14:22]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): hm... the opportunity is there, but some make true second lives here and some don't I guess
[ 14:23]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): Heya, Eos!
[ 14:23]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): Hi Eos :) I'm giving you a note... full day so far
[ 14:23]  Eos Amaterasu: hi gang

[ 14:23]  Raffila Millgrove: oh wow what a great cake. i just see it.  have lots everyone.
[ 14:23]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): hiya Eos
[ 14:23]  Raffila Millgrove: ty
[ 14:23]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): ***** APPLAUSE! *****
[ 14:23]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): ***** APPLAUSE! *****
[ 14:24]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): now blow!
[ 14:24]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal) smiles
[ 14:24]  Ari (Arisia Vita) ducks
[ 14:24]  Mickorod Renard: fooooooooooooooo
[ 14:24]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray) feels the candle warmth.
[ 14:24]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): blow

[ 14:24]  Raffila Millgrove: can i ask a question... about the suggested topic which was Piet's interview..  what did you guys think about the .... BEING questions... how to define and how impossible and so forth...
[ 14:24]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): hmmm
[ 14:24]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): YAYYY!
[ 14:24]  Ari (Arisia Vita): your wish will come true
[ 14:24]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): :-) the magic of sl
[ 14:24]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): ah, you intuited Item 3 :)
[ 14:24]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray) listens carefully.
[ 14:24]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): Item 3?
[ 14:25]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): topics for guardian meeting :)
[ 14:25]  Raffila Millgrove: agenda item i guess.   sorry to... jump the gate.. but.... eager to hear what people thought.
[ 14:25]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): I loved the interview... and pema's way of staying celebratory in view
[ 14:26]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): but have been hoping to hear from others in emails, so... listening closely
[ 14:26]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): an ongoing project!

[ 14:26]  Raffila Millgrove: I wondered about this.
[ 14:26]  Raffila Millgrove: about PLAY.
[ 14:27]  Raffila Millgrove: because.. .that is name of our group and... when i came.. i thought.. it really was about.. the PLAY... about Being... as play.  cause that is name of group.
[ 14:27]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): I hear play as celebration of "ultimately no problem"
[ 14:27]  Raffila Millgrove: and when i read the interview.. it was more about Being.. and not a word on play was said.. so i felt it was like.. a gap there.. or just me who never understood this idea.
[ 14:28]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): [excellent point, Raffi.]
[ 14:28]  Raffila Millgrove: i really want Piet to answer this.. where is the play?  and i wish the group would .. be thinking.. did we lose any play.. or can we put some play back in and so forth.
[ 14:29]  Raffila Millgrove: the avi idea.. that's very along the.. way of play i think.. very to that ....  to become new avis.. to play with our being here.
[ 14:29]  Mickorod Renard: but is that not the point..when one is /merges with being all problems are immaterial

[ 14:29]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): I think play sort of describes the WAY in which we approach the subject. Lightly and playfully
[ 14:29]  Korel Laloix: I personal got more play out of the group the last year or so.
[ 14:29]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): A masquarade --- (Item 1) --- Play?!
[ 14:29]  San (Santoshima): play is interaction, relationship between, "essence of nature, an ordering of impermanence (gary snyder)

[ 14:29]  Catrinamonblue: I'm rather new to the group but have felt that the play is what we are doing now, the interaction of many beings.....
[ 14:29]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): there is the group playasbeing, and that is something we are doing here...but then the interview was more about the idea
[ 14:30]  Eos Amaterasu: " I figured that if there would be real interest in what Being can point to, it would come up in conversations. But instead, most conversations where about Play rather than Being, or mostly about altogether different topic, which was fine too. "
[ 14:30]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal) nods
[ 14:30]  Raffila Millgrove: Eos.. where is that from?  was that in the interview?
[ 14:30]  Eos Amaterasu: yes
[ 14:30]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray) ponders "Play" as Equanimity.

[ 14:30]  stevenaia Michinaga: Here a summary of the first retreat to see where it began and where we are now: https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Retreats/Past_retreats/2008/2008-10_Princeton%2c_NJ%2c_USA/2008-10_Princeton%2c_NJ_USA_(review)
[ 14:31]  Raffila Millgrove: wow. i am losing it. i honestly didn't see that. ty for showing.
[ 14:31]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): I think its an angle, a point of view, an approach to understanding, one of many, "answers from particular angles, based on the kinds of questions that were asked and how they were asked"
[ 14:31]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): pema stayed starting at the end

[ 14:31]  Mickorod Renard: I think..on a personal level..whilst I have an opinion on being I would feel too insecure to voice it in emails
[ 14:31]  Eos Amaterasu: https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chronicles/The_Chapter_31:_Pema_Pera_Interview
[ 14:31]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): It would be nice if we could shed a little of that insecurity... I feel it too
[ 14:32]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): but when I know that no one expects perfection of expression i can play and sing more freely
[ 14:32]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): lightly and playfully
[ 14:32]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): yes
[ 14:32]  Wol Euler smiles.
[ 14:32]  Mickorod Renard: nice
[ 14:32]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): we are not in a public debate
[ 14:33]  Mickorod Renard: many a true word said in jest..a bit like playing at being
[ 14:33]  Catrinamonblue: no just exploring the cosmos
[ 14:33]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): we used to talk a lot about permission in the group.. extending leeway in advance
[ 14:33]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): yes
[ 14:33]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): don't we all feel a certain comfort level with each other, perhaps a softening of initial insecurities?
[ 14:33]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal) yes Mick
[ 14:33]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): maybe we can all float for our first meeting---nothing too heavy :-)
[ 14:33]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): comes and goes Bleu, even now
[ 14:34]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): (for me too, Eliza.)
[ 14:34]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): :)
[ 14:34]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): probably natural
[ 14:34]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): although more comfortable for me than 5 years ago :)

[ 14:34]  San (Santoshima): excuse me, play as work calls
[ 14:34]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): have a nice evening san
[ 14:34]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): awww
[ 14:34]  Raffila Millgrove: bye San.
[ 14:34]  Catrinamonblue: bye San
[ 14:34]  stevenaia Michinaga: bye San
[ 14:35]  Ari (Arisia Vita): bye San
[ 14:35]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): play well San
[ 14:35]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): bye San
[ 14:35]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): Bye for now, San-ji.
[ 14:35]  Korel Laloix: Ciao
[ 14:35]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): glad to hear that Bleu

[ 14:35]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): I think I was more daring 5 years ago, weirdly
[ 14:35]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): newbies are usually more daring...
[ 14:35]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): willing to say silly and foolish things and let chips fall, was so hungry to learn
[ 14:36]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): beginners minds
[ 14:36]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): :)
[ 14:36]  Mickorod Renard: mmm maybe me too Eliza..in my naiivity
[ 14:36]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): wild innocence?
[ 14:36]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): so you learned to be more insecure?
[ 14:36]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): giggles
[ 14:36]  Mickorod Renard: he he
[ 14:36]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): lol.. I wonder
[ 14:36]  Ari (Arisia Vita): innocent wildness

[ 14:36]  Raffila Millgrove: this avi was always close to the me... was just "me" so .. i could be myself.  my alts were so darn interesting. they wanted to be themselves like.. writing a book and suddenly the characters start living their own life.. and you are just typing what they want to say.
[ 14:37]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): when we learn the rules, things become more restrictive
[ 14:37]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): do you still have that experience with alts now, Raffi?
[ 14:37]  Raffila Millgrove: well i didn't make any new alts except for a program i was asked to be in.. and so i don't know for sure.. what new alt would be like today.
[ 14:37]  Wol Euler nods to Raffi
[ 14:38]  Catrinamonblue: are rules more restrictive? or do we learn to flow and bend with them?
[ 14:38]  Raffila Millgrove: the alts are almost as old as I am...  they were so interesting to play with.  i don't have time to do that now. then i had oodles of time to spend here.
[ 14:38]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): would you be different Raffi?
[ 14:38]  Raffila Millgrove: i came here to Pab .. late in the game.... much later than most of you.. so it's always been hard for me to feel like a part.. of things.
[ 14:39]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): @Cat: I found that when I realized what the SL social rules were I became less risk-taking
[ 14:39]  Raffila Millgrove: also i was so screwed on the mail.. and couldn't recieve it..  until Elzia figured out how to get me back into it.
[ 14:39]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): :)
[ 14:39]  Catrinamonblue: understands that Raffi... I'm one of the last guardians created here....
[ 14:39]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): bravo Eliza!
[ 14:39]  Raffila Millgrove: yeah it's a weird place to be.. that you know you'll never catch up.  but.. it is what it is.
[ 14:39]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): happy to have Raffi plugged in
[ 14:40]  Catrinamonblue: smiles

[ 14:40]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): the thing is, playasbeing as pema describes isn't something one can ever fall behind with
[ 14:40]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): smiles
[ 14:40]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): accommodating and welcoming
[ 14:40]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): plenty of space to explore!
[ 14:40]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): and playful!
[ 14:40]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): and then each of us extending that so that we don't have to be stuck in particular times or roles
[ 14:40]  Raffila Millgrove: I am sure that is what kept the group from growing that it's hard.. to be the new one knowing you can't get out of that spot .... and everyone is so warm and welcoming and kind--it's just that you all know each other .. many in first life meets etc. we can never catcch up to that.
[ 14:41]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): Maybe we should put on a play!
[ 14:41]  Mickorod Renard: I have been absent for some time,,that makes me feel a bit ,,erm,,low key
[ 14:41]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): rl meetings sometimes seem like a dream that happened on another planet, to me
[ 14:41]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): :)
[ 14:41]  Catrinamonblue: agrees with Raffi... would have loved a RL meetup
[ 14:41]  Raffila Millgrove: oh the plays. i saw all the photos of the theater and it was so exciting how you did a play here.. it was before my time. it's so much work to do that.
[ 14:41]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): even coming in once a week now feels distancing
[ 14:41]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): indeed Bleu
[ 14:41]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): we;re in a new time
[ 14:42]  Catrinamonblue: nods

[ 14:42]  Raffila Millgrove: it's kind of exciting to be in a new time.   when will be do this new avi thing. what is the date you decided for it?
[ 14:42]  Mickorod Renard: ok,,everyone is invited to join me in Mumbai for an rl meet next weekend
[ 14:42]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): yay Mick.... are we going to play golf on that tower thing?
[ 14:42]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): grins
[ 14:42]  Catrinamonblue: lol
[ 14:42]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): I'll dig out my saris
[ 14:43]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): ah, that's Dubai
[ 14:43]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): ?
[ 14:43]  Mickorod Renard: rl meets are very hard to coordinate as we all live apart
[ 14:43]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): some were here when the idea of a RL retreat center or house was being talked about
[ 14:43]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): but there are some groupings
[ 14:44]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): I'd love that... secular monastery
[ 14:44]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): :)
[ 14:44]  Wol Euler nods.
[ 14:44]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): smiles
[ 14:44]  Mickorod Renard: nice idea..but would it be europe asia or usa
[ 14:44]  Raffila Millgrove: the last one they tried.. couldn't get enough people to make it happ-en.
[ 14:44]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): that covers a wide territory!
[ 14:45]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal) nods... it takes some work and coordination for sure... several retreats were quite small
[ 14:45]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): but small is OK - 5-6 people works well
[ 14:45]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): well when those meetings were taking place, the idea was hawaii :)

[ 14:45]  Mickorod Renard: but serious..anyone passing by me wherever I am is welcome
[ 14:45]  Catrinamonblue: thanks Mick... will keep that in mind :)
[ 14:46]  Mickorod Renard: :)
[ 14:46]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): :) you're in many different places lately
[ 14:46]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): comet Mick
[ 14:46]  Mickorod Renard: yes, I am getting like being..everywhere
[ 14:46]  Raffila Millgrove: i have wondered what it must be like there Mick.. do you feel.. comfortable... or still getting to know it?
[ 14:46]  Mickorod Renard: where is that?

[ 14:47]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): I am afraid I must go. Thanks everyone. Happy rez day Raffi
[ 14:47]  Mickorod Renard: bye Aph
[ 14:47]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): thanks Aph, have a lovely weekend
[ 14:47]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): bye Aph :)
[ 14:47]  stevenaia Michinaga: Bye Aph
[ 14:47]  Catrinamonblue: bye aph
[ 14:47]  Raffila Millgrove: bye Aph
[ 14:47]  Korel Laloix: ciao
[ 14:47]  Aph (Aphrodite Macbain): thanks! bye
[ 14:47]  Mickorod Renard: I am in the uk at the mo..fly out Monday
[ 14:48]  Wol Euler: excited?
[ 14:48]  Mickorod Renard: not really
[ 14:48]  Wol Euler: oh boo
[ 14:48]  Wol Euler: why not?
[ 14:48]  Mickorod Renard: I have lots of things for a sore bum
[ 14:48]  Wol Euler: okay, one might be apprehensive but still excited :)
[ 14:49]  Mickorod Renard: well,,Mumbai isnt my choice of indian locations
[ 14:49]  Mickorod Renard: bollywood

[ 14:49]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): maybe we will make new memories together and new inventories in our new avies :) who knows what dreams and meetings may come
[ 14:49]  Ari (Arisia Vita): I am being called to help a friend, it was great seeing you all, hope to again soon.
[ 14:50]  Wol Euler: bye ari, take care
[ 14:50]  Catrinamonblue: Bye Ari
[ 14:50]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): nice to see you Ari, be well
[ 14:50]  Mickorod Renard: so,,how long do we keep our new avis?
[ 14:50]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): bye Ari
[ 14:50]  Korel Laloix: ciao
[ 14:50]  Mickorod Renard: bye ari
[ 14:50]  Ari (Arisia Vita): bye for a bit
[ 14:50]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): Bye for now, Ari.
[ 14:50]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): I think I'd like to cross over for a while
[ 14:50]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): let Eliza rest
[ 14:50]  Mickorod Renard: you know,,I like that idea
[ 14:50]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): why not taste and see?

[ 14:50]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): interesting ... we could permanently start over ... whole new crew at PaB?
[ 14:51]  stevenaia Michinaga: When I first came to PaB it was one month old and Piet and Stim and others were talking, I felt lost in the woods at first, but I sensed there was something that attracted me to return and explore with the group. Assumes that's why we all return. Even my nieve contributions were listen too and discussed, as I feel they still are. I think we all take each other seriously,
[ 14:51]  stevenaia Michinaga: speaking of beginings
[ 14:51]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): layers are pretty deep
[ 14:51]  Raffila Millgrove: oh.. ty for sharing that Stevie.. very interesting comment.
[ 14:52]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): But what is "dropping" for, after all?
[ 14:52]  Mickorod Renard: Bruce,,thats exacly it..our old avis have attachments
[ 14:52]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): nods and nods.

[ 14:52]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): if only a few of us do the new avie thing though, it will be less easy to really experiment freely
[ 14:53]  Mickorod Renard: how do you mean Eliza?
[ 14:53]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): Would the new avi thing just be for one sesion, though?
[ 14:53]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): we have to let each other out of boxes
[ 14:53]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): I'd like to take it farther Bruce, what do you think?
[ 14:53]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): session*
[ 14:53]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): A couple of weeks, perhaps?
[ 14:53]  Wol Euler: up to you, bruce :) but longer is probably better
[ 14:53]  Raffila Millgrove: er what is this date that we are going to be in new avis.. i am scrolling to find that.
[ 14:54]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): would be fun to go longer I think
[ 14:54]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): nods, longer would be better.
[ 14:54]  Raffila Millgrove: (apologies.. got a lot of IM wishing happh rezday etc)
[ 14:54]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): How about doing it as a 90 Days project, then?
[ 14:54]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): (too long?)
[ 14:54]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): hmmm.... thinking...
[ 14:55]  Mickorod Renard: I never think ahead further than a day or two
[ 14:55]  Mickorod Renard: he he
[ 14:55]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): na na.
[ 14:55]  Raffila Millgrove: one session is too short don't you think?  90 days is too long?
[ 14:55]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): ha ha.

[ 14:55]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): It wouldn't be the same as not knowing who someone was I think, because we host session times, etc... but it would be a conscious suspending of memory in a way
[ 14:55]  Wol Euler: 90 days seems awfully long
[ 14:56]  Raffila Millgrove: yes.  maybe something in the middle. like 30 days perhaps?
[ 14:56]  Wol Euler: why not just let it be open-ended?
[ 14:56]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): So, we would keep our avi's names -- and change the shapes, clothes, etc?
[ 14:56]  Mickorod Renard: do you mean that we wont divulge to each other who we are?
[ 14:56]  Raffila Millgrove: oh i thought we made entirely new person? but we don't?
[ 14:56]  Catrinamonblue: got to go guys... RL calls.... :)
[ 14:56]  Korel Laloix: That would mean a new AV tough.
[ 14:56]  Mickorod Renard: bye Cat
[ 14:56]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): yes, open-ended ... may decide we like who we have become?
[ 14:56]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): bfn Cat :)
[ 14:56]  Catrinamonblue: Bye all
[ 14:56]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): Otherwise, the recorder wouldn't recognize us at the Playgoda.
[ 14:56]  Wol Euler: as I understood it a new avatar with a new name
[ 14:56]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): yes new avi
[ 14:56]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): agreed..... open ended
[ 14:56]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): 30 days, beginning with a theme session: new avies
[ 14:56]  Raffila Millgrove: we just have to join PAB i think with the new avis.
[ 14:56]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): has to be new name too

[ 14:57]  Wol Euler: that is easily fixed, send me an IM with your new name and I will add you to the list, then immediately forget you :)
[

14:57]  Raffila Millgrove: it's not a big deal to just joing the PAB group.
[ 14:57]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): We don't have to be Guardians, then?
[ 14:57]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): only those posting sessions
[ 14:57]  Mickorod Renard: it would expand the number of members in pab
[ 14:57]  Wol Euler: there must be a known guardian present to start recording, in so far as that is desired
[ 14:57]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): hmmm.

[ 14:57]  stevenaia Michinaga: soup done time, to go
[ 14:57]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): right...
[ 14:57]  Wol Euler: bye stevie, bon appetit
[ 14:57]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): Bye, Steve!
[ 14:57]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): OK Stevie, enjoy
[ 14:57]  stevenaia Michinaga: bye my friends
[ 14:57]  Mickorod Renard: bye Steve
[ 14:57]  Korel Laloix: Ciao
[ 14:57]  Raffila Millgrove: bye Stevie
[ 14:58]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): OK let's try to get beginning details clear:
[ 14:58]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): new avie = new name

[ 14:58]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): Known avi's could still host the sessions -- while new avis could do everything else?
[ 14:58]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): if hosting, can post under other name or join with new name
[ 14:58]  Wol Euler: yes, let me know if you wish to host a session with your new name
[ 14:58]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): kk.
[ 14:59]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): cool!

[ 14:59]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): theme session Nov 16th?
[ 14:59]  Wol Euler: (by personal IM in world, not an email on the PaB group!)
[ 14:59]  Mickorod Renard: what about being anonymous,,that sounds imposible
[ 14:59]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): or Solstice... as Aph suggested
[ 14:59]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): Good, Thanks, Eliza.
[ 14:59]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): I think we don't have that option Mick
[ 14:59]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): Solstice is in December.. a long way off.
[ 15:00]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): but also a cool idea.
[ 15:00]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): ah, and end december too...
[ 15:00]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): 21st
[ 15:00]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): that seems too far
[ 15:00]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): May take a month -- from Nov 16th through to solstice.
[ 15:00]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): Oooh that's a good idea
[ 15:00]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): !!

[ 15:00]  Wol Euler: at the risk of boring you all by repeating myself, why not leave it open-ended and just see how it goes?
[ 15:00]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): how about Dec 1 and play-as-other for month of dec?
[ 15:01]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): open-ended is good.
[ 15:01]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): open is good
[ 15:01]  Wol Euler: oh never mind, I misread what you were asking, my bad
[ 15:01]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): ;-)
[ 15:01]  Mickorod Renard: I am happy with open
[ 15:01]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): I'm down with that... some of us may take off with it and stay with new avie and some may abandon the exploration
[ 15:01]  Mickorod Renard: I may stay that way
[ 15:01]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): but all of us will have something to notice and share
[ 15:01]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): !!
[ 15:01]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): starting anew.... all newbies
[ 15:02]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): Jettison the fish and the jet packs, and the antlers, alas.
[ 15:02]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal) smiles

[ 15:02]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): have to have a birthdate newer than today
[ 15:02]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): we'll also notice our attachments

15:02]  Wol Euler: really? why bleu?
[ 15:02]  Mickorod Renard: yep,,out go the crosses and black clothes
[ 15:02]  Wol Euler: if one has avatars that are unknown to the group ... :)
[ 15:02]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): completely new that way
[ 15:02]  Eos Amaterasu: I can see the news, "Play as Being cult AVIs in mass suicide; replaced by zombie alts"
[ 15:02]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): mick with no onigokko tail ::gasps::::
[ 15:02]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): hahah Eos
[ 15:02]  Mickorod Renard: I will have to but some lindens
[ 15:02]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): new for YOU is the important part
[ 15:03]  Raffila Millgrove: hahahaha Eos.
[ 15:03]  Wol Euler: ah
[ 15:03]  Raffila Millgrove: that is so funny.

[ 15:03]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): My typist says he has to go scraping now. Wish I could jetison him!
[ 15:03]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): indeed, Bleu
[ 15:03]  Bruce (Bruce Mowbray): Bye for now, good people.
[ 15:03]  Mickorod Renard: he he Eos
[ 15:03]  Raffila Millgrove: bye Bruce.
[ 15:03]  Korel Laloix: Ciao
[ 15:03]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): have a nice weekend Bruce
[ 15:03]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): bye Bruce
[ 15:03]  Wol Euler: /me already has six avatars.
[ 15:03]  Eos Amaterasu: ciao!
[ 15:03]  Wol Euler: bye bruce, take care
[ 15:03]  Mickorod Renard: ok,,I have to go too,,see you soon
[ 15:03]  ÎsaЪeĻ (Alysabelle): is offline.
[ 15:03]  Raffila Millgrove: I have to run off also.... ty all for helping me celebrate.
[ 15:03]  Mickorod Renard: take care everyone
[ 15:03]  Wol Euler: bye mick, and a very bon voyage!
[ 15:03]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): OK Mick, glad you'll join us, good to have you here
[ 15:03]  Mickorod Renard: x
[ 15:03]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): and Bye Raffi...happy rezday
[ 15:03]  Raffila Millgrove: yay.. i am so glad i could be with you today!!!
[ 15:04]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): bye Raffi
[ 15:04]  Wol Euler: bye raffi, happy rezday
[ 15:04]  Korel Laloix: Cake care all.
[ 15:04]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): happy rd
[ 15:04]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): PaB rapture... still giggling...
[ 15:04]  Eos Amaterasu: ciao Rafffi
[ 15:04]  Mickorod Renard: cant remember how to tp
[ 15:04]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): lol
[ 15:04]  Mickorod Renard: darn,,i will sleep here
[ 15:05]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): I need to go too actually... daughter just draped me in fresh warm laundry
[ 15:05]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): :) Mick... plenty of pillows
[ 15:05]  Wol Euler: a hint?
[ 15:05]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): ok have fun all
[ 15:05]  Eos Amaterasu: also doing laundry, must go...
[ 15:05]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): I think so Wol!
[ 15:05]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): have a wonderful weekend everybody
[ 15:05]  Wol Euler: goodnight all, take care, be happy and fully laundered
[ 15:05]  Eos Amaterasu: ciao all
[ 15:05]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): :)
[ 15:05]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): ♥ ♥ ♥
[ 15:05]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): ♥ ♥ ♥
[ 15:05]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): ciao :)
[ 15:05]  Wol Euler: ♥
[ 15:05]  Eliza (Eliza Madrigal): be cozy
[ 15:05]  Bleu (Bleu Oleander): .  ♥  .  ♥  .  ♥  .  ♥  .  ♥  .
[ 15:05]  Korel Laloix: Ciao all