2015.12.03 13:00 - Dream Session: Compartments and Calendars

The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod. Eliza posted this session, after playing with Riddle's "Bun Bun" friend.

And after installing a CICA art project...

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Kori :)
Korel Laloix: Osiyo... brb
Qt Core: Hi Korel, Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt :) Hi Wol :)
Eliza Madrigal: Kori is away
Wol Euler: evening all!
Korel Laloix: Heya
Korel Laloix: In and out a bit.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: I'll grab a cup of tea before we begin
Eliza Madrigal: ntsy'all

--BELL--

Wol Euler: likewise :)
Eliza Madrigal: Qt I thought of your alien dream a few days ago, when happening upon an article about the cold war...
Eliza Madrigal: and leaders agreeing to be on each others' side if aliens invade
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick :)
Mickorod Renard: Hiya
Qt Core: imagine a benevolent alien would have been impossible for them ;-)
Wol Euler: what a pity that we apparently can't manage to be on each other's side during normal life.
Eliza Madrigal: you are likely right, Qt
Eliza Madrigal: alas, Wol.
Eliza Madrigal: you said it
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: or to stop thinking in terms of sides
Eliza Madrigal: at least a lot more
Korel Laloix: I don't think it would work that way.
Korel Laloix: Smart aliens would invade just one country and the rest of the world would sit back and watch.
Eliza Madrigal: Qt and I would be on the mountaintop yelling "pick me pick me" hahaha
Wol Euler: heheheh
Qt Core: that depend on which resource that country has
Mickorod Renard: it was such a scenario that brought the cold war to an end
Mickorod Renard: regan and gorgo

Korel Laloix: I still don't know what that term means... "cold war".
Wol Euler: war without shooting, basically
Eliza Madrigal: stand off
Wol Euler: hostile in every other way to each other
Wol Euler: and getting other little countries to fight proxy wars on their behalves
Eliza Madrigal: underlying generalized stress then affects everything rather than acute "problems"
Eliza Madrigal: So please tell me someone has cheerful dreams! :)))
Mickorod Renard: but it did bring together two sides that would otherwise have carried on,,and the reason they say was to unite against a potencial alien threat
Wol Euler smiles at Eliza, and goes to get her tea
Eliza Madrigal: hm, I thought it was just a light conversation that perhaps stretched imaginations. If one can imagine a scenario in which grudges are droppable, maybe easier to drop
Mickorod Renard: 2 and a half sugars for me pls
Eliza Madrigal grins
Wol Euler: righto
Mickorod Renard: stirred not shaken
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Eliza Madrigal: dunked not dipped

Mickorod Renard: i have a dream,,although i think it was poor
Eliza Madrigal: hm, well let's try it
Korel Laloix: And I have another Sama dream that is mostly cheerful if you need.
Mickorod Renard: and with some sex
Korel Laloix: lol.. same here...
Mickorod Renard: although I kept it tame
Wol Euler: ooh great :)
Mickorod Renard: who first then?
Korel Laloix: Me last.
Mickorod Renard: is Samas a big one?
Mickorod Renard: ok ty
Korel Laloix: It is fairly long.
Mickorod Renard: I will look mine up
Eliza Madrigal: ok
Eliza Madrigal grins at title
Mickorod Renard: ok?..all got it?
Qt Core: yes
Korel Laloix: Nice.. smiles
Eliza Madrigal reads...
Wol Euler giggles.
Wol Euler: that is a cheerful dream
Eliza Madrigal: wouldn't have wanted to miss this.... Mick as rotund older woman
Mickorod Renard: he he

--BELL--

Wol Euler: I'm not sure how that would actually have caught anyone out to abduct children ...
Wol Euler: but dream logic hs its own rules
Mickorod Renard: yes, weird in a way
Wol Euler: what was your feeling about the missing children?
Mickorod Renard: I cant remember much about it now,,it is a wek or so old
Eliza Madrigal: maybe because she was petite...so meant to be a kind of stand in for a child, and to draw attention?
Mickorod Renard: I didnt feel as connected to the parents as I thought I was
Mickorod Renard: yes, I wondered this too,,in respect to size and age
Mickorod Renard: I felt a bit pervy having the dream..especially in respect to the children and then the sexual element but I am comfortable with my own awake self
Mickorod Renard: wondered whether I should hide the dream
Wol Euler: well, it's not like you were an active participant
Mickorod Renard: true..but the thoughts were all mine
Mickorod Renard: but I was def on the moral side of the character in the dream
Eliza Madrigal: yes, no awful thoughts here...
Eliza Madrigal: but it is clear you still felt bothered by the mixture of plots

Mickorod Renard: I guess..in some small way..there are elements of my past work mixed in with it
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: did you feel noticeably different as the woman in the beginning of the dream?
Mickorod Renard: investigating and inside each enquiry there lies other dodgy plots that in a way are not your business but you feel compelled to deaal with them
Eliza Madrigal: ahhh
Mickorod Renard: I did not feel out of place as the woman..it was brief
Eliza Madrigal: you remind me of something my son said to me once "you have no problems of your own, just everyone else's problems. " :))
Wol Euler: ha :)
Eliza Madrigal: a few years later he took that half back ;-P
Eliza Madrigal: but that is the feeling

Mickorod Renard: yes, its a funny thing that,,I sometimes would have to stop on my way home from work for a little weep,,and then go home and not say anything to my wife of the days affairs
Eliza Madrigal: ((( )))
Wol Euler leans over and gives your hand a squeeze
Eliza Madrigal: perhaps you will always been working that out, letting that go
Eliza Madrigal: be*
Korel Laloix: Those emotional episodes are never at a convenience time.
Mickorod Renard: maybe..well, def...but its just life
Korel Laloix: I feel that Mick.
Wol Euler nods.
Mickorod Renard: yes, I can imagine Korel
Mickorod Renard: there is a strange seperation to do some jobs
Mickorod Renard: sometimes shut things out all together
Wol Euler: rather like hospital staff do
Eliza Madrigal: compartments
Mickorod Renard: to revisit in the mind is a dangerous thing
Mickorod Renard: yes!
Eliza Madrigal: good comparison

Mickorod Renard: in some ways this is why,,although i am very trusting,,I also doubt what is truth
Mickorod Renard: a bit paradoxical
Mickorod Renard: I found it tedious at times to spend time showing doubt over what folks said because it seemed pointless attaching to trivia,,some took this as me being naive..he he
Korel Laloix: For me, the thing is, I was one of those sort of forced to compartment things when I was young. And it was functional then. But closing down those compartments later in life is very very very hard to do.. and there are consequences. The ability to trust is one of the things that suffers.

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: mmm
Qt Core: has this something to do to the lady going for the drink and you don't really want ?
Eliza Madrigal: "I can't unsee" - a friend said to me. So one has to sort of grow to be able to hold opposing realities
Mickorod Renard: yenot sure QT,,will read that bit agains, and also makes one think of how much
Mickorod Renard: nice point eliza
Korel Laloix: There are things you can't unsee.. but worse are the things you can't unfeel.
Eliza Madrigal nods...
Eliza Madrigal: you mean it becomes visceral, Kori?
Wol Euler shivers
Korel Laloix: Not sure what you mean by that.
Eliza Madrigal: or hm, immediate - before thought
Korel Laloix: Just gets very much hard wired into you.
Korel Laloix: Yes. I think that would be a good way to say it.
Eliza Madrigal: understand

Mickorod Renard: QT, I think there was some element of not wanting to join in for drinks because I felt I had other things to do
Mickorod Renard: so yes, the social side was too trivial
Eliza Madrigal: really wondering what the missing children represent
Eliza Madrigal: places of innocence?
Mickorod Renard: missing children have featured in my dreams before,,but i have been involved with children in my work a lot
Wol Euler: that must be so hard
Wol Euler: still
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Mickorod Renard: but often the coin has two meanings I think
Mickorod Renard: so maybe I lost what should have been my innocent approach to life
Eliza Madrigal: that would be a nice way to look at it
Eliza Madrigal: reclaiming childlike elements

Mickorod Renard: yes, and at the same time,,the same stage and props are used in the dream for the representations of what effected me too
Mickorod Renard: and also,,having children and now grandchildren the fears of what you know are posible come out to haunt too
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: you need to include those parts rather than forget them somehow
Eliza Madrigal: be aware and yet absorb them into a wider vision or something
Mickorod Renard: yes..i am sure I do..dream land though is a strange place
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Mickorod Renard: what about Samas?
Korel Laloix: Sure... if you like.
Mickorod Renard: have we time?
Wol Euler: htank you, mick
Mickorod Renard: thankyou for hearing it
Eliza Madrigal: yes thanks Mick, wish I had more insight to offer

Eliza Madrigal: something to do with a dream that leaves a lot of questions is, to look from the view of every element... like, what does each person/thing feel or think they are there for - are they protecting the dreamer in some way, or challenging them... I read a few blog posts from someone who did this with a dream today, and it was interesting. I'll share the link if you like, with the caveat that the person is otherwise a controversial 'spiritual teacher" type and not everyone's cup of tea. :P   
[http://blog.thespiritualcatalyst.com...he-follow-up/]
[http://blog.thespiritualcatalyst.com...e-handprints/]

Mickorod Renard: no, I thought it was not too deep

Eliza Madrigal: (sorry that's long)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Kori
Korel Laloix: No worries.
Mickorod Renard: thanks eliza
Eliza Madrigal: I'll include the link to that when I post the log later

Eliza Madrigal reading...
Korel Laloix: Thanks.
Eliza Madrigal giggling...
Wol Euler: sweet!
Korel Laloix: This is rather edited for wider reading.... smiles
Eliza Madrigal: love the phrasing... active showering, haha

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: I love the vividness
Eliza Madrigal: interesting the way she blends the two of you, your characteristics, together... hair braiding, height
Mickorod Renard: although I have a soft spot for cruises
Korel Laloix smiles
Qt Core: so, all in all life ask you to do things you are not supposed to do, you do it and then people continue to try to bother you, not really a thing that happens only i dreamland ;-)
Korel Laloix: I just thought it was fun.
Eliza Madrigal: it is
Wol Euler: agreed :)
Mickorod Renard: yes for sure
Korel Laloix: Sama was reluctant to share this one, but after some editing she was OK with it...
Wol Euler: I can understand that :)

Eliza Madrigal: one thing I wonder about is the "low wall" because, although people aren't intruding upon you, they could, easily
Mickorod Renard: I liked the timing of you turning up ,,sort of just slightly behind expectation...I think it is a fine balance sometimes,,between showing you are attentative but not being overly possesive
Korel Laloix: lol... we do have that issue for sure...
Wol Euler smiles.
Mickorod Renard: I think most couples do
Korel Laloix: Had a few chats about it.. one of the things we have to work on.. we are both soooo type A.
Wol Euler: ((back in a sec, RL intruding))
Korel Laloix: ok
Eliza Madrigal: :) k
Eliza Madrigal: maybe both can set clear boundaries and expectations, if type A... so possibly a good combo
Korel Laloix: I think we are doing that more and more....
Korel Laloix: Drawing lines is a difficult process.
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: impossible for some :)
Korel Laloix: Letting someone else do my finances has been a very painful process of letting go.
Eliza Madrigal: in the beginning there was an "intruder" but they were given 0 place... were kind of a reason to be closer in some sense
Eliza Madrigal: ah gee, money is too concrete sometimes :)

Eliza Madrigal: I wonder what there being no one able to serve drinks was about in the dream
Eliza Madrigal: external supports for you two as a couple to enjoy one another, to just play happily?
Korel Laloix: NO idea about that one.
Wol Euler: I like that attitude, "what? we aren't having that! move over!"
Eliza Madrigal: (I always read too much into things :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes Wol!
Korel Laloix: Could be.. or I would guess, since so much frustration in her life recently, make an expression of that.
Mickorod Renard: yes, ..i wondered about the giving of the amount of drink may suggest to me,,no professional knowledge.....that there was a desire for you to open up more?
Korel Laloix: People not being there for her.
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: which goes forward to the parade of people past the low wall
Korel Laloix: Sama is much more open emotionally than I am for sure.. so possibly.
Eliza Madrigal: time of joy and rest but still have to hold lots of roles and responsibilities
Eliza Madrigal: and keep guards up
Eliza Madrigal: at least somewhat

Mickorod Renard: I love latin dancing
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
Korel Laloix: I am learning... smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: haven't danced in ages... even in SL
Mickorod Renard: erotic
Wol Euler: awwwwww
Mickorod Renard: he he
Korel Laloix: Sama is great instructor... growing up in Cuba evidently did not hurt.... lol
Mickorod Renard: hey yes!
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: I like a sort of rumba to modern music,,such fun
Mickorod Renard: did most of my dancing on cruise liners
Wol Euler: huh
Eliza Madrigal: seems you'd both be at home in Miami, so why am I here
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
Mickorod Renard: he he
Korel Laloix: We are going on a cruise for the honeymoon... so I have been told that I will be good at dancing before we go.... grins
Mickorod Renard: well..a nice dream again Korel
Eliza Madrigal: very nice
Korel Laloix: I will let her know.
Wol Euler: oh cool, congratulations
Mickorod Renard: fantastic Korel

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: oh wait... I danced on my birthday two years ago... stranger... he kept yelling "hey" ...haha
Eliza Madrigal: it was part of his dancing
Mickorod Renard: he he
Wol Euler grins.
Mickorod Renard: stranger in paradise
Wol Euler: well, next Thursday I will set out a room full of dance balls for us
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: so we can dance while dreaming
Eliza Madrigal: that would be fun
Mickorod Renard: great idea Wol
Korel Laloix: OH fun.. tango?
Qt Core: i need to go close this day too, bye all and have fun dreaming
Wol Euler: definitely tango!
Eliza Madrigal: yes please
Mickorod Renard: bye QT
Wol Euler: bye qt, take care
Eliza Madrigal: yay
Eliza Madrigal: OK qt, ntsy
Korel Laloix: Ciao all.
Korel Laloix: back to work.

Mickorod Renard: Hi Bleu
Bleu Oleander: hiya all
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Kori :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hey Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: with our current email thread about welcoming visitors and such, I was thinking about Raffi mentioning friday parties...
Mickorod Renard: bye Kori
Bleu Oleander: just playing with the sign and schedule
Wol Euler: bye korel, thank you!
Wol Euler: and thank sama
Eliza Madrigal: you know Yaku is still here often, but few visitors
Mickorod Renard: is he?
Eliza Madrigal: Figure something out Bleu?
Eliza Madrigal: yes on Fridays Mick
Mickorod Renard: I didnt know,,what session?
Bleu Oleander: take a look and see if something like that would work??
Eliza Madrigal: I posted one session of his this month
Mickorod Renard: ahh ok,,I must drop in to see him
Bleu Oleander: I can update it when necessary
Eliza Madrigal: I'm going to try also, but it is hard on Fridays sometimes
Eliza Madrigal: you sure Bleu?
Eliza Madrigal: I worry about your having so many tasks
Bleu Oleander: just takes seconds
Mickorod Renard: yes, tomorow is grandchild bday
Bleu Oleander: won't change that much
Eliza Madrigal: second here, second there..
Eliza Madrigal: aw, Mick :))
Mickorod Renard: 2
Wol Euler: awwwwww
Mickorod Renard: he went to hospital today after eating a washing tablet
Eliza Madrigal zooming sign
Wol Euler: oops
Bleu Oleander: didn't mean to interrupt
Eliza Madrigal: oh dear! I'm guessing he is okay since you are here
Bleu Oleander: whenever
Mickorod Renard: yes all good
Mickorod Renard: ty
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: I should remove "with stevanaia" from the calendar
Eliza Madrigal: since he hasn't been attending those with eos
Eliza Madrigal: so might want to do that now... and also "with Luci" I think
Bleu Oleander: just let me know and I can change
Eliza Madrigal: I'm going to take those off
Wol Euler: my dears, I fear that I must slip away. It's getting late.
Eliza Madrigal: Nighty night Wol
Mickorod Renard: yep, me too
Eliza Madrigal: hugs and sweet dreams
Wol Euler: lovely to see you all again! Stay happy and safe, and dream well
Wol Euler: <3
Eliza Madrigal: you too MIck
Bleu Oleander: nice to see you even if briefly
Mickorod Renard: nighty nite everyone
Bleu Oleander: take care
Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
Eliza Madrigal: I think Eden will be back in two weeks
Mickorod Renard: byeeeee,,take care xx
Eliza Madrigal: tc :)