2015.09.01 13:00 - Do people "get it" by standing there?

The Guardian for this meeting was Darren Islar...

Darren Islar: hey Riddle
Riddle Sideways: Hi
Riddle Sideways: hey
Riddle Sideways: stop that bell!

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Darren Islar: grins
Riddle Sideways: there was an email that you were back
Darren Islar: you can speak now
Riddle Sideways: had to come see fur'sure
Darren Islar: yes, I haven't been here on the Tuesday for a few weeks, this is my slot
Darren Islar: hehehe
Darren Islar: well, here I am
Riddle Sideways: good

Riddle Sideways: was just looking at Burning Man
Riddle Sideways: there is a live feed at burn2
Darren Islar: movie?
Riddle Sideways: live event from the desert
Riddle Sideways: happens Labor day weekend
Riddle Sideways: an US thang
Darren Islar: I see, I never heard of it

Riddle Sideways: always think it is sooooo arigant for this country to be us
Darren Islar: to be us?
Riddle Sideways: the US
Darren Islar: still confused :)
Riddle Sideways: anyway Burning Man is a huge hippy, hi-tech, lo-tech, festival
Riddle Sideways: in the desert by L.A.
Riddle Sideways: thousands come there, build a city live together for a few days
Riddle Sideways: then burn most of it down
Riddle Sideways: lot of naked people getting sun burns
Darren Islar: oh I did that as a kid
Riddle Sideways: dehydration
Riddle Sideways: drugs
Riddle Sideways: sex
Riddle Sideways: rock-n-roll
Darren Islar: I didn't do that :)
Riddle Sideways: art

Darren Islar: looking at pics, it seems to be a way to enhance creativity ... besides all the side effects
Darren Islar: interesting builds
Riddle Sideways: yep
Riddle Sideways: people truck all that stuff in
Riddle Sideways: build it
Riddle Sideways: then haul it out
Darren Islar: it's interesting to work on something so intently, then burn it .. reminds me of Tibetan mandala's made out of clay
Riddle Sideways: almost the same feel
Riddle Sideways: art creations then poof
Darren Islar: I'm not in favor don't get me wrong, but the treasures of the past being destroyed by IS, it's a double feeling
Riddle Sideways: yes

Darren Islar: it's a bit weird to be silent when you're with the two of us
Darren Islar: or we're
Riddle Sideways: might be different that the Artist created it to be destroyed

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Riddle Sideways: respectful
Darren Islar: true
Riddle Sideways: from an Art that was supposed last forever
Riddle Sideways: and hundreds of years into forever a group destroys it
Riddle Sideways: because they develop issues with it
Riddle Sideways: an old meeting place that is used daily
Darren Islar: well, not meaning the disrespect, as I said I'm not in favor, but you can also wonder where you try to preserve the past in a way it can't be touched, whether that is healthy
Riddle Sideways: gets destroyed by a group that does not like their meetings

Darren Islar: not sure it was still there for the respect of the ones meeting there, nor the reason they did it for
Darren Islar: or because we feel that in that little piece of past, there si still something which can give us a satisfying clue
Riddle Sideways: that might be the feeling, but when you phrase it that way ...
Riddle Sideways: it sounds out-dated
Riddle Sideways: why keep a run down house, just because george washington slept in it
Darren Islar: right
Darren Islar: with a plaquette to say so to the tourist who has hardly a idea who he was

Riddle Sideways: yet again
Riddle Sideways: there is a place
Riddle Sideways: that has the 3 holiest sites of the Abraham religions
Riddle Sideways: right near each other
Riddle Sideways: do people get 'it' by standing there?
Riddle Sideways: touching a wall?
Riddle Sideways: kissing a stone?
Darren Islar: Jerusalem you mean
Riddle Sideways: yes
Riddle Sideways: the old walled city
Riddle Sideways: praying at a site millions of others have

Darren Islar: I do think it's a collector of energy, and those are believes still practiced, different than what has been destroyed ... at the same time it doesn't do anything when it's not 'received'
Riddle Sideways: and if a group (e.g. ISIS) think that energy collection is wrong
Riddle Sideways: and must be destroyed?

Darren Islar: you have a point there, but when it comes to things placed in museums or temples which where many footsteps of tourists ... I'm not sure .. a lonely place in the desert ... as for Jerusalem, it's an active place, that active they are fighting over it
Darren Islar: - which
Darren Islar: I mean, a lot of those were only for acheologists and tourists
Darren Islar: interesting

Riddle Sideways: yes, very interesting to wrestle with the thoughts

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Riddle Sideways: can't generalize ficationsthe rules, thoughts, justi
Riddle Sideways: because there are examples on both sides
Riddle Sideways: of arguments
Darren Islar: true
Riddle Sideways: ok, this laptops keyboard is unusable
Darren Islar: interesting is that one of the places where they have blown up a 20 high meter statue of Buddha, in Afghanistan, is now a projection place for an artist, projecting there what has been blown up
Riddle Sideways: the cursor jumps into a previous word
Riddle Sideways: interesting
Darren Islar: it seems to be still a place of inspiration
Riddle Sideways: but, has the inspiration morphed
Darren Islar: yes probably ... I don't know though if the place was still used for worship, I actually think not
Darren Islar: and I can't type today
Riddle Sideways: :)

Darren Islar: but I agree, it has arguments on both sides, adn I won't be the one blowing them up ... I would have been interested to see it, to look at it and wonder about it, but what does that do
Riddle Sideways: not sure ... if a place is no longer used ... maybe it is time
Riddle Sideways: to put up a new thing
Riddle Sideways: and include a projector so some can turn on a picture of what was there
Darren Islar: the space can also be used for different things ... I wouldn't be surprised it is still 'protected' in some way
Darren Islar: you don't project a devil in a place where not long ago a Buddha was looking out over the desert
Darren Islar: at the same time is the devil an interesting figure in Christianity

Riddle Sideways: to everything ... turn, turn ,turn

--BELL--

Riddle Sideways: or not

Darren Islar: I have another appointment on another avatar, so will need to leave
Darren Islar: that's the question :)
Riddle Sideways: :) ok
Riddle Sideways: by and thanks
Darren Islar: thanks too
Darren Islar: see you