Early in the morning, at 7 am, we started our second day of dialogues
here in Second Life. With in total five participants, including Storm Nordwind,
we talked about Storm’s blog:
Pema Pera: Again, Storm I so much appreciate your new old blog!!
Storm Nordwind: I have never posted to blogs before
Pema Pera: Riddle, you should have a look at it
Pema Pera: much shorter and much more concise than my ramblings
Riddle Sideways: ok, bookmarked
Storm Nordwind: Well it was to abide by your recommendation of “no more than a single sentence”
Pema Pera: wonderful ;>)
Pema Pera: I’ve done the same in my own journal
Storm Nordwind: And to be perfectly honest, even a single sentence is hard to write
Pema Pera: I know ! ! !
Pema Pera: especially short ones
Storm Nordwind: These are expressions of experience and necessarily fall short
Pema Pera: shorter expressions fall less short than longer ones, often
Storm Nordwind: Yes - but short sentences are more open to self-mysticism - like intellectual masturbation!
Riddle Sideways: ha, whose quote is “Even Holy men can be wrong” “)
Storm Nordwind: Mine
Riddle Sideways: :)
Storm Nordwind: I felt it needed saying
Riddle Sideways: yes
Pema Pera: yes, that needs to be said over and over again
Pema Pera: especially when importing Asian religions
Pema Pera: hard to judge for many people what is genuine
Storm Nordwind: Yes - so true
Storm Nordwind: Instead of awe or contempt, it can inspire compassion to remember that
Pema Pera: yes!!
Riddle Sideways: yes
Storm Nordwind: There are indeed many such wonderful men. And they are holy men who can be wrong. It throws the responsibility squarely on oneself, for that is where it belongs
We also talked about the blog you are now reading, by Pema/playasbeing:
Pema Pera: do you think I am writing too much in my blog?
Pema Pera: Hard call to make
Pema Pera: want to really give a sense
Pema Pera: especially for those who cannot make all meetings
Pema Pera: which is everybody ;>)
Storm Nordwind: Look at it from the point of view of an outsider
Storm Nordwind: If you think there may be too much, there probably is. But there are two possible solutions to that
Storm Nordwind: The first solution would be to write less
Storm Nordwind: The second solution would be to keep on writing as much but to impose structure
Pema Pera: great points, Storm
Storm Nordwind: With structure you could click through to more details
Pema Pera: ideally I would like to create a tree of separate pages
Pema Pera: not sure quite how to do that in wordpress — but will try
Storm Nordwind: Another point is that the task would necessarily become an onerous one for you
Pema Pera: that’s fine for now
Pema Pera: Can’t think of anything more interesting
Pema Pera: it really is my own practice
Pema Pera: and sharing with others is a wonderful side effect
Riddle Sideways: then you should write the amount that is right
Riddle Sideways: for you
Storm Nordwind: yes. From a karmic point of view, it brings much merit! ;)
Pema Pera: So there are three groups involved: me, you regulars, strangers
Pema Pera: Yes, Riddle
Pema Pera: So for me, what I have done feels right
Pema Pera: For regulars, I think it is nice to have lots of details — they can skip it and not miss much or if they want to catch up it is all there
Storm Nordwind: How could you do what does not feel right? You would never sustain such pretence
Pema Pera: the main question is outsiders
Pema Pera: so my question is:
Pema Pera: refined by the helpful comments from both of you
Pema Pera: so now I can phrase it much better
Pema Pera: :
Pema Pera: how to do what feels right and yet be somewhat understandable by outsiders
Pema Pera: so that paraphrases Storms’ earlier remark
Pema Pera: structure
Pema Pera: It would be a lot of fun if you and I could have a dialogue about that, the WIIFM (what’s in it for me) thing you mentioned earlier.
Storm Nordwind: Sure. There may be some time in 6 hours
Pema Pera: I’m not sure where to put it
Pema Pera: on my blog or yours
Storm Nordwind: Would you believe… the techniques are those used by good salesmen!? :)
Storm Nordwind chuckles
Pema Pera: w
Pema Pera: :>)
Pema Pera: what fun!
Pema Pera: (w is Japanese for lol, sorry)
Storm Nordwind: real cross-disciplinary stuff
Riddle Sideways: ty
At this point Kat Lemieux joined us.
Pema Pera: just a moment
Pema Pera: you have met Kat before, Storm
Pema Pera: she just came online
Pema Pera: let me tp her over
Storm Nordwind: Yes I believe so
Riddle Sideways: techie.. a blog might not be right/easy for dialog. a wiki might be better
Riddle Sideways: hi Kat
Pema Pera: ah, now that’s an idea!
Storm Nordwind: Hi Kat
Pema Pera: Hi Kat!
Pema Pera: Kat, meet Riddle!
Riddle Sideways: hello
Kat Lemieux: HI!
Pema Pera: Riddle, Kat was my first mentor in SL
Pema Pera: back when I looked like you, as a newbe ;>)
Kat Lemieux: HI Riddle
Riddle Sideways: ah
Storm Nordwind: I agree to some extent with Riddle. My personal bias is for Wikis rather than blogs, although for a journal of experiences, blogs are good. But the structure of a Wiki makes things easy
Pema Pera: From the saleman’s pitch view, blogs are better
Pema Pera: but we can then point to the wiki
Pema Pera: more versitile
Pema Pera: great idea, Riddle
Pema Pera: Kat
Kat Lemieux: Wikis make it easier to organize information for presentation but blogs are good for a stream of conscienceness type of thing
Pema Pera: we are talking about how to clarify
Pema Pera: perhaps not reality
Pema Pera: but at least our exploration of reality ;>)
Pema Pera: yes
Pema Pera: well, Storm and Riddle, how shall we set up a wiki?
Kat Lemieux: But makes things seem very timely
Pema Pera: are there public ways like wordpress?
Riddle Sideways: stream of conscienceness between 2 people are harder/time consuming
Pema Pera: Yes, and from blogs we can point to wikis
Riddle Sideways: mediawiki is known to many because of wikipedia
Pema Pera: I would prefer mediawiki
Kat Lemieux: I’ll be happy to let you use one on my site as soon as I get it installed
Kat Lemieux: We could use it throgh the qwaq-sl.org domain
Pema Pera: that is very kind of you, Kat
Storm Nordwind: Will your server take the potential traffic Kat?
Kat Lemieux: Probably. I doubt it will have THAT big a hit, do you?
Pema Pera: crashing would be a sign of success — like SL ;>)
Kat Lemieux: ;-)
Kat Lemieux: Text-based sites don’t have that much impact on bandwidth usually
Pema Pera: when we crash three times in a row, we will hold a donation collection for extra bandwidth for Kat
Kat Lemieux: IT’s things like rich media streaming that really hurt
Storm Nordwind: Many good ideas start very small and their wider success often surprises their parents!
Kat Lemieux: ;-)
Pema Pera: !
