2008.04.03 13:00 - Ways of Playing

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    This afternoon the three of us stayed outside in the nice weather of Second Life, just outside the tea house in Rieul. Caledonia started off with some questions.

    Caledonia Heron: I wonder about the 9 secs - that is during this time, yes?
    Caledonia Heron: or apart from this?
    Pema Pera: apart from this
    Caledonia Heron: ok, good
    Caledonia Heron: I forgot the part about writing notes so I started doing that
    Pema Pera: the idea is to spend one or more hours each day
    Pema Pera: and during that time to spend 9 sec each 15 min. ;>)
    Caledonia Heron: ok, I get it
    Caledonia Heron: do you guys remember regularly - at 15 min intervals - my discipline is not good at that yet
    Pema Pera: after a while you get more and more used to it
    Caledonia Heron: mm
    Pema Pera: you don’t have to do it precisely each 15 minutes
    Pema Pera: a few times an hour is a good start
    Storm Nordwind: I’m random and I prefer it to stay that way
    Pema Pera: yes, that’s fine
    Caledonia Heron: I appear to be more random within the hour also
    Pema Pera: ;>)
    Caledonia Heron: I’m curious to see what patterns emerge after a reasonable sample of notes
    Storm Nordwind: Unless there is something important about the exactness - to catch you unawares if you like - I prefer it when it comes to my attention
    Caledonia Heron: I can see that
    Pema Pera: yes, the whole notion of play implies a lot of freedom
    Pema Pera: we can all learn from each other, seeing how each of us approaches this type of play in a different way
    Pema Pera: I mainly intended to start the ball rolling
    Storm Nordwind: My whole life is play. This fits into that very well

    Pema explained how he got to his suggestions, which lead to a discussion about continuity.

    Pema Pera: my main suggestion has been to trade duration for frequency
    Pema Pera: duration of meditation or contempliation is wonderful: if you can do it for hours a day, you will definitely learn and see a lot more
    Pema Pera: but few people (think they) have the time . . . .
    Pema Pera: so . . .
    Pema Pera: as an alternative,
    Pema Pera: I pulled a trick,
    Caledonia Heron: the 1% tax :)
    Pema Pera: yes!
    Pema Pera: total time is less than needed to brush your teeth
    Caledonia Heron: quite clever :)
    Pema Pera: brush your soul every 15 minutes
    Pema Pera: not a dent-ist
    Pema Pera: but how to call it
    Caledonia Heron: lol, nice and shiny
    Pema Pera: yeah
    Pema Pera: soul-ist?
    Storm Nordwind: Now you are applying culture quality judgments!
    Pema Pera: ;>)
    Pema Pera: how would you say it, Storm?
    Storm Nordwind: I’d keep it free
    Caledonia Heron: not bad just a thing,
    Caledonia Heron: I wonder if the requirement to be a some “thing” even something “free” is in itself not freedom…
    Pema Pera: YES!
    Pema Pera: a thing is something to have, not to be
    Pema Pera: not to Be
    Caledonia Heron: seems you can say it however you want - I find my point of view is not actually gotten even if I think I’ve said it well
    Pema Pera: we try to point
    Pema Pera: dance around it
    Pema Pera: share
    Pema Pera: enjoy
    Pema Pera: intuit
    Caledonia Heron: yes, exactly - so not judgement, not free
    Storm Nordwind: The thing for me is that 9 seconds is FAR too short a time. If I am Being then it is continuous
    Storm Nordwind: The meditation I learned 35 years ago could be done every waking moment and beyond
    Pema Pera: yes the idea is to do it throughout the 15 minutes, continuously
    Pema Pera: and the 9 seconds are like a spark plug
    Storm Nordwind: Living itself is all the spark needed!
    Pema Pera: In FAQ #3 I have tried to point to that.
    Pema Pera: yes, Storm I agree
    Pema Pera: but to learn to live that way may take 35 years or more
    Pema Pera: and I would love to share this with others in less than 35 years
    Pema Pera: more like 3.5 years or so
    Pema Pera: or even 3 months
    Pema Pera: to see how far we can get
    Storm Nordwind: Quite so. It took me a few months, that is all
    Pema Pera: but I presume it is getting more continuous with time?
    Storm Nordwind: It is a matter of choice! :)

    We talked about getting out of our heads:

    Caledonia Heron: hmmm, I’m struggling to say something about ground of being and it does not formulate well
    Storm Nordwind: Please continue at your leisure Cal!
    Pema Pera: yes, Cal, please try to formulate
    Pema Pera: you’re among friends here
    Caledonia Heron: uuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh…a bit stuck
    Pema Pera: we can help each other getting things pointed out
    Caledonia Heron: something about operating from my middle by some kind of radar most of the time
    Caledonia Heron: doesn’t make sense really it’s just a weird intuition sensory process
    Storm Nordwind: It sounds like someone with an awareness (even if not an understanding) of Chi
    Caledonia Heron: I get the chi intellectually which is extant from this “radar”
    Caledonia Heron: or qi…spelling?
    Storm Nordwind: Both spellings work for me
    Caledonia Heron: like today - a very quiet place of being, observing where some days I am wearing my “game face”
    Caledonia Heron: seems silly in a way
    Storm Nordwind: It does not sound silly! :)
    Caledonia Heron: it is a paradox :)
    Caledonia Heron: to me
    Pema Pera: Switching from head to hara/belly/body-center is very powerful
    Pema Pera: either hara or heart
    Pema Pera: so very different from living in your head
    Storm Nordwind: Quite so
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    Caledonia Heron: interesting - did not conceive it as such but understand the idea and event
    Pema Pera: here is a very very simple exploration
    Pema Pera: just take a minutes or so
    Pema Pera: whenever you don’t have much specifics to do
    Pema Pera: and try to see with your heart rather than with your eyes
    Pema Pera: whenever I do that I am amazed at the difference
    Pema Pera: the whole bodily sense of being present shifts, and mind too of course
    Caledonia Heron: it is too much to bear sometimes
    Pema Pera: yes, that can happen too
    Storm Nordwind: Actually switching to any other centre apart from the head has often shattering effects for many
    Pema Pera: yes
    Pema Pera: so many degrees of freedom in our awareness that are always open for us but most of us never explore
    Caledonia Heron: I feel unequipped to the overload
    Storm Nordwind: Cal - I suggest that you do this at first only in a place where you feel familiar, safe and protected
    Caledonia Heron: sometimes it just happens
    Storm Nordwind: I see. I understand
    Pema Pera: the nice thing about these daily meetings, Cal, is that whenever you feel overloaded, you can find friends here to talk about it with, within 6 hours, or at most 12 ;>)
    Caledonia Heron: true - thank you Pera
    Pema Pera: yes, Storm, always good to ease in
    Pema Pera: sharing is the key to many of the best things
    Caledonia Heron: yes, I think you may be right - expression of something so intense always seems to fall short of the experience
    Pema Pera: but if like-minded people are present, they can `get’ a lot more than you may think at first
    Storm Nordwind: Expression is only sometimes desirable anyway. Internalisation is often more productive

    Caledonia brought up the key notion of `ground of being.’

    Caledonia Heron: yes which goes to ground of being - a shared place to come from ….I think that is why people tend to group up by interest, vibration
    Pema Pera: it is more a resonance than a pouring of information from one vessel into another
    Pema Pera: can you say more about ground of being? — a term I like very much
    Caledonia Heron: true Storm - internalize to learn from
    Caledonia Heron: ground of being - it’s where you come from, how you operate, how you relate to people, qualities like honesty, integrity
    Caledonia Heron: and you tend to gravitate to people who share your ground of being
    Caledonia Heron: so …maybe buddhists with buddhists for you guys , you share a ground of being
    Storm Nordwind: This can be as mundane as a shared value system or a common project goal
    Caledonia Heron: no Storm
    Caledonia Heron: not my understanding
    Caledonia Heron: ground of being is fundamental to the essence of who you are
    Caledonia Heron: that is more what I mean when I use that phrase
    Pema Pera: Perhaps what I call “Being” could be this ground of being?
    Pema Pera: ground of all beings?
    Caledonia Heron: yes, I think so but more abstract in what it encompasses
    Pema Pera: Being is not meant to be an abstract term
    Pema Pera: but I prefer not to use a term related to a specific religion
    Caledonia Heron: no I think it is a state
    Pema Pera: a state?
    Caledonia Heron: a state of consciousness
    Pema Pera: it may take a while for us to find shared language, and fortunately we can take our time!
    Storm Nordwind: So how can, in your view Cal, people tell whether or not they have the same ground of being? Simply by the fact that they gravitate together?
    Caledonia Heron: no not really Storm, there is no litmus test…
    Caledonia Heron: it’s a sense you develop over time being with people I think
    Storm Nordwind: Is it something therefore you can only sense after the fact?
    Caledonia Heron: there’s easy correlations you can draw…group a with group a, like that….this is more squishy :)
    Caledonia Heron: that would be one way
    Caledonia Heron: a shared experience(s) would be another
    Storm Nordwind: And therefore not something you can plan for? Nor anticipate?
    Caledonia Heron: I want to say yes but you learn after a while where not to waste your time maybe
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Caledonia Heron: I’m really struggling here :)
    Storm Nordwind: Then when it is positive it is part of the joy of being then :)
    Caledonia Heron: yes!!
    Storm Nordwind: That I can very much understand! :)
    Caledonia Heron: and shared which goes back to what Pema said :)
    Storm Nordwind: yes

    And we wound up with musings about geeks, labs and back to play:

    Pema Pera: You mentioned “state”, Cal. For me, a state is something you have, and what you ARE goes beyond any notion of a state
    Pema Pera: but I want to be careful ; perhaps we mean different things by “state”?
    Caledonia Heron: maybe the word state has too many boundaries associated with it
    Storm Nordwind: As a software engineer, I would have to differ with you there Pema!
    Caledonia Heron: :)
    Pema Pera: ?
    Pema Pera: I like functional programming, Storm ;>)
    Caledonia Heron: lol, I think we agree on the vagaries of vocabulary :)
    Storm Nordwind: All the scripts in SL use a state driven language
    Pema Pera: surprise, we all have software background ;>)
    Caledonia Heron: geeks united! right on!!
    Storm Nordwind cringes!
    Pema Pera: but in Buddhism, “suchness” or THAT does not have a state, right?
    Storm Nordwind: sure
    Caledonia Heron: lol, indeed Storm
    Pema Pera: geeks at play
    Caledonia Heron: I don’t know - I don’t really know what the tenents are - I have home grown spiritual radar :)
    Pema Pera: that’s the only way to really treat your life as a lab — stay with the experience
    Storm Nordwind: It’s cool. So do I. I call it “intuition” in order to describe it to none-savvy people, but it seems similar
    Caledonia Heron: then I’m a big messy lab I’m afraid
    Caledonia Heron: yes…assuredly intuition
    Pema Pera: that’s where the discoveries are made;>)
    Pema Pera: clean labs are for mopping up operations
    Caledonia Heron: lol
    Pema Pera: honestly
    Pema Pera: penicillin was invented that way ;>)
    Pema Pera: came through the window as impurity
    Caledonia Heron: !
    Storm Nordwind: People used to say at work that an untidy desk is the sign of an untidy mind. Until we can a clear-away desk policy. So an empty desk is the sign of… ? :)
    Caledonia Heron: no work!
    Caledonia Heron: :)
    Pema Pera: wu-wei
    Caledonia Heron: Play!!
    Pema Pera: not-work
    Storm Nordwind: yay!
    Pema Pera: (^_^)
    Pema Pera: yeah!!
    Pema Pera: play as we may
    Pema Pera: I’m afraid I have to get going
    Storm Nordwind: me too
    Caledonia Heron: yes, I also
    Caledonia Heron: thank you for listening
    Pema Pera: how wonderful to have this kind of conversation!
    Caledonia Heron: and your ideas
    Pema Pera: this is what I had hoped would happen
    Pema Pera: free flow
    Pema Pera: playfully serious
    Pema Pera: seriously playful
    Caledonia Heron sees those words circling….
    Storm Nordwind: My thought for the blog: “Stepping into flowing water - delicious”
    Pema Pera: btw, like your vision entry on your blog with the pic, Storm!
    Pema Pera: ;-)
    Caledonia Heron: yes! very nice
    Caledonia Heron: my land is on a river…great strength there
    Caledonia Heron: bye :)
    Storm Nordwind: Namaste

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