2008.04.14 19:00 - Dreaming On

    Dreaming On

    2008, April 14, Monday · 1 Comment

    Maxine rezzed outside the tea house, this time. Soon after that, Friedrich also materialized there, followed rapidly by DaWei.

    Pema Pera: Hi Maxine!
    Pema Pera: Do you know how to get in?
    Pema Pera: Left click on a door
    Maxine Walden: hi, Pema, here we are in the garden, will do
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: hi maxine
    Pema Pera: Welcome Friedrich and Maxine, make yourself comfortable!
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: good evening
    DaWei Yohkoh: where are you
    Pema Pera: Hi Dawei, we are inside
    Pema Pera: left click on the door
    Pema Pera: and it will open
    Pema Pera: and you can walk in
    Maxine Walden: hello Friedrich, nice to see you
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: you too
    Pema Pera: NY black, hey, Friedrich!
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: ;-)
    Pema Pera: impressive outfit!
    Maxine Walden: stylish
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: the statue of liberty was giving them away
    Pema Pera: haha!
    Pema Pera: getting clothes from a statue, neat
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i have to say, it was creepy. the twin towers have been recreated here
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: (the shops downstairs are vacant still - not sure anyone wants to rent them, even here)
    Pema Pera: wow, Friedrich, that must have been eerie
    Pema Pera: Hi Dawei
    DaWei Yohkoh: hi pema
    DaWei Yohkoh: hey, i have talked with the owner of this land for hours before, crazy
    Pema Pera: with Dakini?
    DaWei Yohkoh: yes!
    DaWei Yohkoh: small second world, i swear
    DaWei Yohkoh: she will remember me
    Maxine Walden: hello DaWei
    DaWei Yohkoh: hi maxine
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i’ve been following along the website, and stopping in the teahouse some evenings
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: hi dawei - I don’t think we’ve met
    DaWei Yohkoh: hi fired
    DaWei Yohkoh: friedwhich
    DaWei Yohkoh: rich
    DaWei Yohkoh: sorry, i messed that up pretty good
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: heh. you can call me fried. or even red
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: uh, fred. but red works too
    Pema Pera: This is Dawei’s first time here
    DaWei Yohkoh: haha ok fred
    Maxine Walden: how do you find SL, Dawei?
    Pema Pera: Max and Fred are oldtimers
    DaWei Yohkoh: how do i find SL?
    DaWei Yohkoh: what do you mean
    Maxine Walden: well, not sure if old-timer feels quite right…oh, Dawei, just wondering if you feel at home or just learning…I am very much just learning even after a few weeks

    At this point Sky entered

    Pema Pera: Hi Sky!
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: good evening, mr. fox
    Maxine Walden: hello, Sky
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: looking fantastic, as your likeness suggests
    Sky Szimmer: good evening everyone
    Pema Pera: Sky, meet DaWei, who is here for the first time
    DaWei Yohkoh: hi sky
    Pema Pera: you can speak Chinese with hiim
    Pema Pera: can you type Chinese, Sky and DaWei?
    DaWei Yohkoh: lol, yi diar
    DaWei Yohkoh: 是
    Pema Pera: 中国語
    Sky Szimmer: ahhhhh!
    DaWei Yohkoh: nice
    Maxine Walden: I am very impressed with all the different languages some of you have; mastering the English language seems an ongoing struggle for me
    DaWei Yohkoh: i made the owner change the sit posses under the canopy
    Pema Pera: xie xie
    Pema Pera: ??
    Pema Pera: owner?
    DaWei Yohkoh: of the land
    Pema Pera: ah
    Pema Pera: Dakini?
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: these are comfortable.
    Pema Pera: (xie xie is thank you, Maxine)
    Maxine Walden: Pema, you are so good at welcoming one in in one’s own language…oh, thanks for the translation
    Pema Pera: Thank you Maxine!
    Pema Pera: DaWei, did you get a chance to look at our web site?
    DaWei Yohkoh: no pema
    DaWei Yohkoh: i just came from another lecture
    DaWei Yohkoh: at wright college
    DaWei Yohkoh: i visited your site, but did not read anything
    DaWei Yohkoh: just slightly

    Maxine had already mentioned an to me that she had had another interesting dream.

    Pema Pera: Maxine, would you like to talk about your dream perhaps?
    Maxine Walden: oh, I could try;
    Maxine Walden: this morning I had a dream about a little boy about 7 yrs old asking after a younger boy about 3-4 yrs; apparently I was able to tell him things about the little boy which were heartening…
    Maxine Walden: such as that the little boy has been in ill health but was recovering.
    Maxine Walden: The older boy, the one questioning, then turned to me and said
    Maxine Walden: that the little boy had drowned but had now recovered.
    Maxine Walden: Although it sounds a bit dreary as I report it, the dream was very optimistic at the end of the dream
    Maxine Walden: as sometimes dreams can feel which is perplexing to the observer of the dream
    Maxine Walden: but not to the one experiencing the dream
    Maxine Walden: My understanding of the dream? or would anyone else like to comment on it?
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: maxine: do you have any children?
    Maxine Walden: Actually I do not have children of my own, a sadness
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: do you remember if hte boys were brothers, or just friends?
    Maxine Walden: you know, that is interesting, I got the sense that they were friends, but from outside the dream I wonder if they were brothers
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: what season was it? cold? wamr?
    Maxine Walden: oh, I think it was early spring, we had one lovely day of spring over the weekend
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: (yeah! here in nyc too)
    Maxine Walden: may I ask why you ask?
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: well, i was curious. but also wondering if more of the dream would come back to you if i asked for details
    Maxine Walden: interesting, so many ways to think about dreams and to inquire
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: my image of the scene shifted from a frozne lake accident, which may have different symbolic meaning, htan a spring accident
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: or a swimming pool?
    Maxine Walden: can you say more about each of those scenes? oh a swimming pool
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i can try, although my intial associations were w / movies that had these elements
    Maxine Walden: any associations seem helpful
    Maxine Walden: did someone just say something? Saw typing but no words…
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: so, i have seen recnetly the darjeeling express
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: which has a childhood water death scene
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: then, there is a short in the decalogue, by the polish director, whose name i could never spell
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: where a child falls into the ice while skating
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: and, while i’m typing, i guess scenes in the attempted suicide scenes in the sopranos
    Maxine Walden: so many ways to glimpse images and associations about the dream…
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: pop culture - our modern day archetypes
    Maxine Walden: yes, I guess that is so and shapes many of our thoughts and perhaps dreams
    Pema Pera: do you want to say something about your sense of the dream, Maxine?
    Maxine Walden: oh, yes, my sense of the dream was that it spoke about a sense I had yesterday when I felt a bit swamped at a certain point, …
    Maxine Walden: and only slowly was able to draw myself away from that feeling. I thought that the older boy was sort of like an inner voice which said ‘it turned out ok, not swamped, not drowned…and I
    Maxine Walden: had a good feeling after the dream, as if whatever had swamped my feelings the day before really was not now an issue
    Maxine Walden: but that is probably a very unique sense of the dream, an observer could not really glimpse it because it dealt, as I sensed it, with an inner feeling, not an outer occurance
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: interesting thouhg, that we use the expression ‘drowning in work’, and you mentioned you were feeling swamped
    Maxine Walden: oh, I am having to watch my time, I have another meeting at 7:30 which is just a few mintues away
    Maxine Walden: oh, yes, actually I was at work in a manny of speaking when I felt swamped so you are very astute, Friedrich
    Maxine Walden: manner of speaking…
    Pema Pera: Thanks, Maxine, and we don’t want you to miss your meeting, so feel free to leave whenever you have to.
    Pema Pera: I’m glad you were so inspired by the dream
    Maxine Walden: ok, thanks maybe I should leave now, very nice to see you and have a chance to visit for a bit; hope to see you all again soon. Bye for now.
    DaWei Yohkoh: i need ot leave now as well
    Pema Pera: c u Max!
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: bye. thanks for sharing
    DaWei Yohkoh: thank you guys
    DaWei Yohkoh: see you another time
    Pema Pera: okay, bye DaWei!
    DaWei Yohkoh: take care
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: yes, i will likely get a call at some point soon, but until hten i can chill
    Pema Pera: fine.

    We then picked up where we had left a few days ago.

    Pema Pera: Friedrich,
    Pema Pera: last time you did not really get the chance to talk about your practice
    Pema Pera: Do you want to say something about that now?
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: thanks for inquiring heh. not sure if today is the best day to talk about that.
    Pema Pera: either way
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i have a rough time sticking with it during unstructured time
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i mean, this weekend was out of the ordinary, full day of interactions
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: so, you would think the practice would help more than ever
    Pema Pera: in itself it is interesting to try, especially at times when we are convinced it would be almost futile to do so
    Pema Pera: maybe it wouldn’t work
    Pema Pera: maybe it will
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: well, hte good news is that i keep coming back to it
    Pema Pera: lots of room for phenomenology!
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i seriosuly have shifted where my mind returns to by default
    Pema Pera: yes
    Pema Pera: can you say more?
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: well, when i am ‘idling’, say waiting for a bus, or subway
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: or walking between places
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i have this peaceful place to return to, which i often do now
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: it really all just starts with a deep breath
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: then, maybe ‘fuzzing out’
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: oh! I also went to my first movie since starting this practie
    Pema Pera: I’m delighted to hear that, Friedrich
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: yes, its quite incredible that something so simple can actually nudge awareness so far
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: anyway, we have been using hte movie analogy for a while
    Pema Pera: repetition is a powerful thing . . . .
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: but i hadn’t tried that first hand
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i really can’t get over how malleable this lump on my shoulders is
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: sky - i should mention, that I haven’t comitted yet to the full practice
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i am starting slower, until the semester is over and i have more time
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: but, still noticing effects.
    Sky Szimmer: good for you.
    Sky Szimmer: it sounds like if you start in full swing, then who knows where you’d end up
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: oh, i have a hint ;-)
    Sky Szimmer: ?
    Sky Szimmer: sorry i am a bit distracted as my son is sharing my attention
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: kidding. i just didnt want to overdue it. too easy for this to become a distrction
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: ah. no prob

    Sky then refered to yesterday morning’s session.

    Sky Szimmer: yes. i had a problem with that one recently
    Sky Szimmer: which is why last time i came here, i got quite upset
    Sky Szimmer: i think it was due to overdoing
    Sky Szimmer: sometimes when we start noticing effects
    Sky Szimmer: our ego starts to take claim
    Sky Szimmer: which can lead to a head trip
    Sky Szimmer: at least that was my own interpretation of why i became upset when
    Sky Szimmer: i didn’t feel understood
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: hm, that’s fascinating.
    Sky Szimmer: my ego wanted recognition
    Sky Szimmer: that something was happening
    Pema Pera: Well, Sky, I think it was partly my fault — overenthusiastically commenting on your experience too much before you were really done speaking, and drawing parallels and connections too quickly . . . . .
    Sky Szimmer: no piet,
    Sky Szimmer: no pema : )
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Sky Szimmer: it wasn’t
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i suppose it gets ‘jealous’
    Pema Pera: Mar . . . sky
    Sky Szimmer: yes. i (ego) got jealous of some of the insights that others seem to have had
    Sky Szimmer: and wanted recognition too
    Sky Szimmer: it is hard to share that
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i meant ego gets jealous of all the fun the rest of Being is having
    Sky Szimmer: but that is really what it boiled down to
    Sky Szimmer: hmmm,, i don’t know about that Friedrich
    Sky Szimmer: I have to think abou what that means
    Sky Szimmer: ah… i think i got it.
    Sky Szimmer: yes. indeed that is what happened.
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: yikes - i have to to outta here. don’t talke that last one too seriously. i am not sure what i meant either.
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: but, i have been thinking about jealosy between senses recently
    Sky Szimmer: no worries.
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: to be continued
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: …
    Pema Pera: continuity is the one thing we can pretty much guarantee here!
    Sky Szimmer: nice chatting with you. bye

    Sky and I continued our conversation.

    Pema Pera: Thanks, Sky, for speaking so frankly, I really appreciate that! And also, I meant what I said, it felt for me that I was a little off, yesterday.
    Sky Szimmer: no…. it was good for me.
    Pema Pera: glad you see it that way
    Sky Szimmer: seriously. it was helpful on many different levels
    Pema Pera: Your experience, as a type of Nisargadatta sense, came across as really genuine –
    Pema Pera: so please don’t let that slip
    Pema Pera: even though you can have different interpretations
    Pema Pera: that sense of no self is very important in itself
    Pema Pera: and Nisargadatta is great in his utter simplicity
    Sky Szimmer: this is all quite tenuous for me… sometimes i understand, sometimes i don’t
    Sky Szimmer: but that is why we practice
    Pema Pera: it is important to trust your experience
    Sky Szimmer: thanks.
    Sky Szimmer: nah, i was going to comment on something but decided not to open up another can of worms
    Pema Pera: please do, I just love worms ! ! !
    Pema Pera: I wish I had a bird avatar
    Pema Pera: like Types . . .
    Sky Szimmer: i wish i had a fly
    Pema Pera: haha!
    Pema Pera: maybe just one worm, for desert?
    Sky Szimmer: i would love to be a fly on the wall when you are with steven
    Pema Pera: well . . . your wish is my command
    Sky Szimmer: wow. that was easy
    Pema Pera: [whisper whisper . . . tomorrow at twelve . . . noon . . . same place here . . . . whisper . . . sshhht]
    Sky Szimmer: speaking about dreams, i checked out some of the other locations in SL. it reminded me of my dreams.
    Sky Szimmer: shucks… i have to work
    Pema Pera: okay
    Pema Pera: sleep well, in due time!
    Sky Szimmer: you 2
    Sky Szimmer: see you again.
    Pema Pera: c u !

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