2015.11.12 13:00 - Dreams

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    Dolphins with hats and Aph in Mick's bedroom?  You better believe it...

     

    Agatha Macbeth: WTF
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh it's the tiny seat :PP
    Agatha Macbeth waves to Mick
    Agatha Macbeth: G'day mate
    Mickorod Renard: ayup
    Agatha Macbeth: How's the kids?
    Mickorod Renard: doin well,,a handful tho
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: I remember
    Mickorod Renard: just sent one off to sleep
    Agatha Macbeth: Say your prayers then
    Mickorod Renard: another around my legs
    Agatha Macbeth: Never an easy task
    Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
    Agatha Macbeth: Who needs a dog?
    Mickorod Renard: yeh, got one of them too
    Agatha Macbeth: Hope K turns up with her other dream today
    Agatha Macbeth: Last week was amazing
    Mickorod Renard: yes, altho I have one
    Mickorod Renard: no sex tho
    Agatha Macbeth: Well if she doesn't appear we'll start with yours
    Korel Laloix: Osiyo
    --BELL--
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Agatha Macbeth: Aha
    Agatha Macbeth: Talk of the devil
    Mickorod Renard: ikori
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi K
    Agatha Macbeth: Sama part 2 yay
    Korel Laloix: Devil?.. Did I get a promotion?
    Korel Laloix: lol
    Korel Laloix: lol.. if you want.
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Agatha Macbeth: Feeling horny maybe?
    Korel Laloix: I think she would prefer you go with someone's that is actually here.
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Mickorod Renard: ags was just sayin she hopes you come with your dreams
    Agatha Macbeth: Looks like you then Mick
    Korel Laloix: Well, she had a couple of more dreams she remembered, most a very personal or pornographic.. smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, Sama's dream
    Agatha Macbeth: Even better
    Korel Laloix: I have it if you want.. just let me know.
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Korel Laloix: I have two dreams from her now.
    Agatha Macbeth: Wonder who will show up
    Korel Laloix: The one from last week and one from this weekend.
    Agatha Macbeth: I think Wol's working late again
    Mickorod Renard: maybe we should give it 5 mins
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
    Mickorod Renard: just in case
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe Liz will show up even
    Mickorod Renard: any idea whats happened to eliza?
    Agatha Macbeth: Think she has her hands full with RL
    Mickorod Renard: I would have liked to have joined in the AI sessions
    Agatha Macbeth: Younger daughter has moved back in
    Mickorod Renard: ahh I see
    Mickorod Renard: I seem to have 5 more in my house now
    Agatha Macbeth: More what?
    Mickorod Renard: something gone haywire somewhere
    Agatha Macbeth: Kids?
    Mickorod Renard: bodies
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Agatha Macbeth: Live ones I hope
    Mickorod Renard: came to stay a few days and havnt gone
    Agatha Macbeth: Aha
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Agatha Macbeth: Mick's hotel
    Agatha Macbeth: Shall we start then?
    Mickorod Renard: so Korel, are the dreams you brought huge ones?
    Agatha Macbeth: Or just read the note while waiting
    Mickorod Renard: good idea Ags
    Korel Laloix: The second one is a bit shorter.
    Mickorod Renard: lets do the big one then
    Agatha Macbeth: As they say
    Korel Laloix: OK.. one sec.
    Mickorod Renard: no rush
    Korel Laloix: Enjoy.
    Agatha Macbeth: Ooh beach dream

    Setting -- "Back on the Island"

    In the dream, Sama was in her pre-teens and for some reasons she could not figure out,  was getting an extra birthday celebration that year.  She did not mind as all of her friends from the places she had lived where there, but it was still out of the normal.  

    The party was lovely.  Everyone was dressed up nicely in cute dresses and suits.  Games and presents and the like made it fun.  The only memorable present she received was a box of dolls clothes for a doll she lost back when she was very young. (She only knows of this doll from pictures.)  But in the middle of a game she was not paying attention to, one of the walls of the place they were having the party just melted away, revealing that they were right on the beach and it was a lovely warm and clear day.
     
    So Sama  yelled "let's go" and they all ran for the beach through the now missing wall.   But on the way out to the beach, two things happened.  All of there nice clothes dissolved like the wall just did revealing the swim outfits they had on underneath; and they all aged about 10 years.

    So Sama gets out to the beach and just sits and chat with a couple of her closest childhood friends (that can't speak Russian in RL) and listen to the waves and watch the sailboats go by.  After watching a while, Sama starts to really want to go for a ride on one of the boats, but can't of course.   So she goes back to chatting for a bit, but then a construction crew shows up and starts building right in front of them so they can't see the ocean.

    She was going to say something, but then she realizes that it is her parents' company so she keeps quiet and goes back to chatting and enjoying the moment.  The next time she looked back though, the construction workers were gone.  And she realized they had built a peer all the way out to the boats.

    So they up and run out ot the end of the peer and sort of silly flirt until a boat comes by and offers them a ride.  They accept and start sailing... around in perfect circles.  In exactly the way sailboats can't.   So Sama is curious and asks the captain how it was possible..  He grins and says that there is no wind today so dolphins and the occasional wale are pushing them along.

    So Sama looks in the water and sees the dolphins... and one is wearing one of the silly cone shaped hats from the party and it winks at her.  At that moment Sama realized somehow that this extra birthday was set up by her father's mother who she does not remember (was a few weeks old the only time they met).   So she runs back to the house to thank the grandmother -- having no idea what she looks like

    On the way back, she ages backward to earlier than before, to like first grade or so, and nice little girl clothes appear on her.  She gets to the place where they had the party and it is now packed with older people.  And she feel crushed as she does not know what her grandmother looks like ot pick her out in the crowd.  But the group of older people see her and guess her despair at the situation so they part revealing her grandmother sitting in a nice chair next to a sunlit window.

    Her grandma puts her arm out and Sama runs to her and sits in her lap and they hug and chat.  After a while she feels sleepy and falls asleep in her grandma's arms...

    ...and wakes up in mine.   

    Mickorod Renard: ty
    Korel Laloix: OH.. and Sama is still smiling about the Kafka thing...
    Agatha Macbeth: Glad I made her happy
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Agatha Macbeth: Awww
    Agatha Macbeth: How cute
    Korel Laloix: I think cute is the word.. smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Very
    Korel Laloix: So if Kafka wrote cute stories?... smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Dolphin propelled boats...nice
    Mickorod Renard: what a lovely dream
    Agatha Macbeth: Might catch on
    Mickorod Renard: a very warm and reasuri ng dream
    Agatha Macbeth: There seems much about her childhood she doesn't know
    Korel Laloix: She was tearing up when she was telling me about it. Effected her very strongly.
    Agatha Macbeth: I can imagine
    Korel Laloix: That is very true.. she grew up moving, and her parents don't talk about pre-US much.
    Agatha Macbeth: That must be pretty disrupting for a kid
    Korel Laloix: And having to learn a new language every place you go, and new friends, etc.
    Korel Laloix: I have lived in two places in my whole life.
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh right
    Mickorod Renard: seemed like the uncertainty or unknown is an anxious part but there always seems to be a catchnet..or saving element
    Korel Laloix: The think that I found the most interesting was the clothes for the missing doll. Sama could not put anything on that though.
    Agatha Macbeth: I love the way her age kept changing
    --BELL--
    Mickorod Renard: yeh, that would sort of fit..never finding the stability herself but having to accept it from elders?
    Korel Laloix: I guess to be clear, looking back she could tell the ages changed.. but not in the dream. If I understood her correctly.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm
    Agatha Macbeth: Strange
    Mickorod Renard: by the way,,my mumerings are just that..I have no clue to the meanings of dreams
    Agatha Macbeth: Not sure if most people do
    Mickorod Renard: I think that some parts of the dreams I have are never that clear on purpose
    Agatha Macbeth: I think even Jung got puzzled on occasions
    Korel Laloix: I just find it fascinating and frustrating.
    Mickorod Renard: yes, me too
    Mickorod Renard: fun toobut
    Mickorod Renard: ohh,,I seem to have slow typos
    Korel Laloix: There are fun to type out.. little stories.
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Stories
    Agatha Macbeth: Glimpses of people
    Agatha Macbeth: Wonder why the dolphins had hats on?
    Mickorod Renard: I dont know anything much about Sama, I guess the changes through her life have meant a ever changing platform of life
    Korel Laloix: No idea on the dolphins....
    Mickorod Renard: the hats could be metaphor for adapting?
    Korel Laloix: But yes, she felt very unsteady in her life until maybe a couple of years ago.
    Mickorod Renard: I used to have to change my personality several times a day for work..that was like changing hats
    Korel Laloix: She has some fond memories of being out on her dad's boat and the dolphins swimming along beside them.
    Agatha Macbeth: Ouch
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Korel Laloix: I have three faces at work... not fun when you have to use all in the same day.
    Mickorod Renard: wonderful experience I should think
    Mickorod Renard: but Sama is on firm ground now?
    Mickorod Renard: I guess
    Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully
    Korel Laloix: Very much so.. still getting to married life and Oklahoma.
    Agatha Macbeth: Is the corn really as high as an elephant's eye?
    Korel Laloix: But her life seems to be mostly steady now.
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    Korel Laloix: Issues with her mom and normal.
    Korel Laloix: are normal
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds familiar :p
    Mickorod Renard: I sometimes..when thinking about myself...think some of my dreams are now just exersizing issues I had years ago just cos i am now free to do so
    Agatha Macbeth: Exercising or exorcising?
    Korel Laloix: Or both.
    Mickorod Renard: both maybe
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
    Agatha Macbeth: Catharsis
    Mickorod Renard: revisit situations to view from a diferent approach,,age
    Mickorod Renard: and then put them to bed
    Agatha Macbeth: A misspent youth?
    Korel Laloix: I have to visit tings later to let myself move past... sort out my past faults.
    Korel Laloix: WIsh I could use dreams for that though.
    Agatha Macbeth: Nightmares maybe
    Mickorod Renard: I think we all have a misspent youth in some way
    Agatha Macbeth: Heh
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Agatha Macbeth: Right
    Mickorod Renard: would you like me to present my dream..it seems topical to recent events in pab
    Korel Laloix: Not really sure I had a youth.
    Korel Laloix: Please do.
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,here it comes
    Agatha Macbeth: Go for it
    --BELL--
    Agatha Macbeth: La rêve de Mick

    Dream of AI

    I was woken the other morning by a child’s foot or something and in my half awareness noticed my phone flashing . I decided to have a look as it may distract me from nodding off again and when I looked it was an email from Aph regarding the artificial intelligence session. I had a quick read and then went back to sleep.

    I am not sure if I was sound asleep but the info on Aphs AI was turning in my head and I was asking myself questions. The questions I have forgotten but the essence stayed with me. I found myself walking down a free-way. The road was higher than the land and linked city to city. It had many lanes and was full of slow moving cars many tooting their horns at me and the odd call of abuse for walking on the road. I could go into visual detail , like for example one could see from horizon to horizon due to the elevated position of the road.

    My character reminded myself of Cain the character in Kung fu the western series which incidentally is still shown on UK television. I walked along without much concern for myself  but more so for the questions spinning in my head.

    The mass of steel cars with their passengers that drifted down the road were the way humanity was going. It had a blind function of just following technology with  little awareness of the damage it created in pollution or the cliff it may throw itself over in its pursuit of advancement.

    I started to look at the simpleness of the life that this Cain figure had. The joy of simpleness. I watched examples of the chain of slavery to buying into modern expectations. I then asked whether future AI would lie to each other like humans do sometimes. This question made me ponder whether ultimately the AI would have a common goal between all units and if this common goal was to serve humanity or the development and perfection of the machine. Surely a single hierarchical AI machine would only come about after some sort of conflict/ competition. If this was so then deception for defence of itself would be necessary.

     AI had ultimately have to compete with AI and survival was going to be costly. I started to feel sad for both AI and humanity in its inability to be satisfied. I started to see that we as humans are already destined to be slave to the machine. I  watched the traffic on the road..going..slowly..to nowhere, full of tomorrow ,yesterday, next year, but never aware of the now


    Mickorod Renard: hold on
    Agatha Macbeth holds
    Mickorod Renard: have u got it ags?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, reading
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Highway to hell?
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Korel Laloix: A western series called "kung fu"?
    Korel Laloix looks it up
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: I read that AI as 'Al' at first
    Agatha Macbeth: As in short for Alan
    Mickorod Renard: it has david carradine in it
    Mickorod Renard: I think that was his name
    Agatha Macbeth: I have the DVDs :p
    Korel Laloix looks up cavid c
    Korel Laloix: david c
    Agatha Macbeth: Stop hanging around in that wardrobe
    Mickorod Renard: I remember the view walking down the highway..even the music of kung fu was playing
    Agatha Macbeth: Surprised he didn't meet a lion in there
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: I love that tune
    Mickorod Renard: its obvious why I had the dream
    Agatha Macbeth: It is?
    Mickorod Renard: it was Aph's mail
    Agatha Macbeth: Was that dream or RL btw?
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Which?
    Mickorod Renard: sorry, in rl
    Agatha Macbeth slaps Mick
    Mickorod Renard: i was woken by one of the kids
    Agatha Macbeth: Aph texts you in RL?
    Mickorod Renard: and looked at my phone and read the post Aph had placed
    Agatha Macbeth: That must cost a bit
    Mickorod Renard: she had posted it on pab
    Mickorod Renard: so its just an email to me
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes I must read the logs (assuming she managed to post)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh that kind of mail
    Korel Laloix: Interesting. will have to watch an episode or two.
    Mickorod Renard: so i went back to sleep thinking about it
    Agatha Macbeth: (Think Wol may be trying to get on)
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Mickorod Renard: yes, the actor character is a shaolin monk
    Agatha Macbeth: So it was Cain and the AIs
    Mickorod Renard: and through the series he has enlightening thoughts or memories of his time in the monastry
    Korel Laloix: It seems your dream is more emotional content than action content. interesting. is that normal for you?
    Mickorod Renard: Ags yes
    Mickorod Renard: yes I think so Kori
    Korel Laloix: I wonder if that is common.
    Mickorod Renard: to make sense of it I guess one has to think about Aph's mail regarding their sessions on AI
    Korel Laloix: brb
    Mickorod Renard: unfortunatly I couldnt make the sessions
    Mickorod Renard: but the jist as I can make out is ' how is AI going to pan out for us humans
    Agatha Macbeth: Makes me think of that Chris Rea song
    Mickorod Renard: ahh yes
    Mickorod Renard: but I recall thinking..as i walked along
    Mickorod Renard: the frugalness of all the rush to go nowhere
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
    Mickorod Renard: the character Cain is typical of someone who needs nothing
    Agatha Macbeth: Wu wei
    Mickorod Renard: I am presently trying to achieve that
    Korel Laloix looks up Chris Rea.
    Mickorod Renard: in preparation for being retired
    Agatha Macbeth shakes her head
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Agatha Macbeth: You have a way to go yet Mick?
    Korel Laloix: What Chis Rea song?
    Mickorod Renard: mentally not..but in the life I live yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Road to hell
    Agatha Macbeth: 'I'm standing by a river, but the water doesn't flow'
    --BELL--
    Agatha Macbeth: Or something
    Korel Laloix: That was the first one to pop up... but can't listen to it here.
    Mickorod Renard: I am becoming very attracted to the idea of non attachment
    Agatha Macbeth: Think it's his best known
    Agatha Macbeth: Have you told Morg about this Mick?
    Agatha Macbeth: :p
    Mickorod Renard: he he ,,yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Was she relieved?
    Mickorod Renard: but ask yourself,,where is all this AI going?
    Korel Laloix: Attached to being non-attached?
    Mickorod Renard: she doesnt understand
    Mickorod Renard: yes Kori,,he he ,,I have wondered that
    Mickorod Renard: but my want is selfish it appears
    Agatha Macbeth: Aren't most wants selfish?
    Korel Laloix: I little self support is not a bad thing.
    Korel Laloix: A
    Agatha Macbeth: We know what we want, but not others
    Korel Laloix: I don't th ink so.
    Korel Laloix: If you asked me for three wishes, non of them woul dbe for me.
    Mickorod Renard: we want what is on the other side of the fence
    Mickorod Renard: maybe
    Agatha Macbeth: That's amazing K
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay Wollie ♥
    Korel Laloix: I think that is true for almost everyone.
    Mickorod Renard: hi Wol
    Korel Laloix: What would your three be?
    Korel Laloix: Osiyo
    Wol Euler: evening all, sorry I'm late
    Agatha Macbeth: I did that too!
    Agatha Macbeth: That's the tiny seat
    Wol Euler: heheheheheh
    Korel Laloix: lol
    Mickorod Renard: I would be ambarrased to say,,it would reveal my true selfishness
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Wol Euler: tahnks, reading ...
    Korel Laloix: I am watching that vid... can't hear. But I think Koyaanisqatsi covers the idea larger.
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    Korel Laloix: We already talked about Sama's dream.
    Agatha Macbeth: Mick was on the road to hell apparently
    Mickorod Renard: which dreams have you got Wol?
    Agatha Macbeth: I gave her yours
    Wol Euler: Sama Cruise, and AI and Cain
    Korel Laloix: I passed her the beach dream... smiles.
    Mickorod Renard: thanks Ags
    Agatha Macbeth: A lot to take in in 10 mins
    Mickorod Renard: in mine there was the bit about humans and truth,,and whether AI would revert to untruth too
    Agatha Macbeth: I guess I have become too cynical :p
    Mickorod Renard: is being dishonest a valid part of survival?
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe they would go like HAL
    Agatha Macbeth: End up trusting no one
    Agatha Macbeth: And start killing everybody
    Mickorod Renard: would 2 AI machines in conflict reduce to being dishonest to each other?
    Korel Laloix: I think being dishonest is a good tool in terms of being polite.. but not getting ahead.
    Mickorod Renard: what degree of dishonesty is acceptable by todays standards?
    Agatha Macbeth: If you're a politician isn't it mandatory?
    Korel Laloix: Well, based on watching the government, maybe complete... lol.. frowns
    Mickorod Renard: and would that be built into machines?
    Agatha Macbeth: Not sure you could have a dishonest machine
    Mickorod Renard: or is it evolutionary?
    Mickorod Renard: perhaps that is presently the diference between human and machine
    Mickorod Renard: but not as they advance
    Agatha Macbeth: We'll do a Neo and wake up
    Wol Euler: dishonesty as a strategy only suits sociopaths and Republican politicians
    Wol Euler: real humans are social beings, dishonesty gets you rejected from the group
    Wol Euler: I can't see that being different for AIs
    Korel Laloix: And Obama
    Mickorod Renard: I think that is true Wol, although I suspect that that is more in the case of like theft
    Mickorod Renard: most folks accept some exageration
    Agatha Macbeth: Teddy Kennedy told a few whoppers in his time I think
    --BELL--
    Mickorod Renard: many succesful people are not honest
    Korel Laloix: You evidently have to be a very accomplished liar to get to be president. And the best part is that you can lie even more when in office... lol.. forwns
    Mickorod Renard: but from a defensive strategic point,
    Mickorod Renard: for eg,,if an AI felt that it would be switched off if it revealed a fault,,and it had programmed in it a defence againt being switched off,,would it lie?
    Mickorod Renard: I would lie to save my life I guess
    Wol Euler: yes, of course
    Mickorod Renard: prefer not to
    Agatha Macbeth: We need Wonder woman with her lasso
    Agatha Macbeth: Or Mr Spock
    Korel Laloix: Tease
    Wol Euler: actually this is a very topical subject, given the arrival of self-driving cars quite soon
    Agatha Macbeth: They could drive themselves much worse than some people
    Mickorod Renard: so, I wondered whether the evolutionary direction for an AI would be to learn to lie to become more human...he he
    Wol Euler: namely: is the car allowed to kill when a collision with *something* is inevitable
    Agatha Macbeth: Collateral damage
    Mickorod Renard: I guess it may have to sum up the least kill
    Mickorod Renard: like a dog instead of child
    Wol Euler: example: a crowd of pedestrians suddenly appear in front of the car. Does the car: 1) drive into them killing at least some; or 2) veer into the oncoming traffic, killing an oncoming driver, or 3) turn and drive into a wall killing the occupant of the car=
    Korel Laloix: It is an interesting thought fo rsure.
    Mickorod Renard: tree instead of dog?
    Wol Euler: would you let yourself be driven by a car that was programmed to kill you if that were the least-damage option?
    Agatha Macbeth: Carmageddon
    Mickorod Renard: politition instead of vagrant
    Korel Laloix: How do you program values into a computer?
    Wol Euler: doing so is easy enough, the question is which value to have? :)
    Korel Laloix: Put in a table of valuse?
    Mickorod Renard: carmageddon,,he he Ags
    Wol Euler: basically yes. "If the situation is (this) then do (that)."
    Korel Laloix: Two toddlers equal one grandma?
    Wol Euler: indeed, that's the issue
    Wol Euler: nobody really minds that cars driven by humans kill other humans
    Agatha Macbeth: That's the way machines work
    Mickorod Renard: would your car value you higher than another car that it fancies?
    Wol Euler: nobody cares how those humans made their decisions in the instant before hte crash
    Wol Euler: but the decision that somebody taught the car to make ... is a loaded issue
    Mickorod Renard: well,,thats another point,,vw cars already lie
    Wol Euler: ha, yes
    Korel Laloix: But in theory, those situations will happen less due to better control, breaking and less distractions.
    Mickorod Renard: another aspect to my dream was the feeling of shifted values in that a man can no longer walk on the road
    Wol Euler: indeed, but: given that there will still be pedestrians and cyclists and some last self-drivers ...
    Wol Euler: sorry, I
    Agatha Macbeth: How would the Good Samaritan get on these days?
    Wol Euler: I'm distracting us
    Mickorod Renard: so machine is taking over land
    Agatha Macbeth: No you're not
    Mickorod Renard: no, very topical Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we could have a great automobile hunt like in Steppenwolf
    Mickorod Renard: does anyone know idf the AI sessions are still on going with Aph and Bruce?
    Korel Laloix: Predictably...
    Korel Laloix looks up Steppenwolf
    Agatha Macbeth: Dunno
    Wol Euler: ha
    Mickorod Renard: born to be wild
    --BELL--
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe Aph will call you in bed again :P
    Wol Euler: one of the great classics of my youth, everyone had to read that and pretend to have understood and been moved by it
    Mickorod Renard: true
    Korel Laloix: Oh I know a couple of their sons.
    Agatha Macbeth: I was moved but didn't understand much
    Agatha Macbeth: Tho I did feel a lot of empathy with HH
    Mickorod Renard: at that time I proberbly didnt do either
    Korel Laloix: songs
    Mickorod Renard: well, I suppose I had better tend to the roaming children..those not yet asleep
    Agatha Macbeth: Best of luck :p
    Mickorod Renard: I may get some kip myself then
    Agatha Macbeth: I will miss the next 5 weeks, the silly season starts soon
    Korel Laloix: Take care.
    Wol Euler grins.
    Wol Euler: ah, right
    Mickorod Renard: ty all for comming,,see you soon
    Wol Euler: that busy time of year again
    Korel Laloix: I will be out most of January and April I think.
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep 6 day week
    Wol Euler: I'll be on time next session
    Mickorod Renard: is there any other sessions on at the moment..during the week?
    Agatha Macbeth: I think Aph is usually here on Monday
    Korel Laloix: I have one more Sama dream if no one else brings one for next time.
    Mickorod Renard: i must try and make tat
    Wol Euler: cool :)
    Mickorod Renard: great kori
    Mickorod Renard: see u next week then
    Mickorod Renard: bye for now
    Wol Euler: b ye mick
    Agatha Macbeth: See you in January (hopefully)
    Korel Laloix: For some reasons she does not mind us poking through her brain like this.. I think i would be a little freaked out.
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Korel Laloix: ciao bella
    Wol Euler: I shall head off too, it's been a long and stressful day
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Wol Euler: take care, dream well, stay happy and healthy
    Korel Laloix: I know the feeling.
    Agatha Macbeth: Poor Wollie
    Wol Euler: <3
    Agatha Macbeth: ♥
    Wol Euler: well it'll be over Monday afternoon
    Agatha Macbeth: You hope
    Wol Euler: and then ... actually very little to do before New Year
    Korel Laloix: Something to look forward to.
    Agatha Macbeth: Great
    Wol Euler: no, I know, the handin is Monday 17:00
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Wol Euler: no alternative to that
    Wol Euler: bye for now <3
    Agatha Macbeth: TC
    Agatha Macbeth: Go and eat some ryvita
    Agatha Macbeth: Right then
    Korel Laloix looks up ryvita
    Agatha Macbeth: Well that was good
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh you probably call it something else there
    Agatha Macbeth: Swedish crisp bread
    Korel Laloix: No idea.. but looks lnice.
    Korel Laloix: I like that sort of thing.
    Agatha Macbeth: It is, lovely
    Agatha Macbeth: Me too
    Agatha Macbeth: Especially with cheese
    Korel Laloix: I have a box of matzo crackers here...
    Agatha Macbeth: Just don't set light to them
    Agatha Macbeth: So how's work?
    Korel Laloix: I need to find me some cheses that I can actually eat.
    Korel Laloix: Painful.
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh you're allergic aren't you?
    Agatha Macbeth: Shame
    Agatha Macbeth: I love cheese
    Korel Laloix: I worked all day yesterday when supposed to be a day off.. But got double time the entire day.. smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Nice
    Korel Laloix: I am lactose useless... and some cheeses still hit me. well most.
    Agatha Macbeth: How awful
    Agatha Macbeth: What do they actually do to you?
    Korel Laloix: I get a tummy ache then people around me regret it the next day... smiles.. frowns
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
    Korel Laloix: It is not pretty for sure.
    Agatha Macbeth: I can imagine
    Korel Laloix: Oh well, it could be worse.
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes it could kill you :p
    Korel Laloix: If I was allergic to chocolate, that would be unbearable.. or coffee...
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: I'm not big on choc any more
    Korel Laloix: I have some good stuff almost every day.
    Korel Laloix: OK.. back to work.
    Agatha Macbeth: Or anything sweet except licqorice
    Korel Laloix: Take care..
    Korel Laloix: Thanks for the chat.
    Agatha Macbeth: Work well
    Agatha Macbeth: U2
    Korel Laloix: wado
    Agatha Macbeth: Watch out for John Wayne
    Korel Laloix: do na da go hv i
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed

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