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2018.07.31 12:00 - Dream Session: Cliffhangers and Synchronicity
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No headersAttending were Agatha, Riddle, Tura, Alma, Zen, San, Lucinda, and Eliza. The session was posted by Eliza, who always has the impression that each dream deserves far more time and attention than we're able to give, but also that each dream experience lingers with us in surprising ways, long after shared. Early greetings can be found at the bottom of the log this week, for topic clarity.
As will be promised below, here is a bit of interesting reading on synchronicity and luck. Technically, the article is on serendipty, but serendipity seems made of bundles of synchronicities, or at the very least to be closely related(?):
"The Serendipity Test"
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-01405-7
"The Serendipity Test"
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-01405-7
I first heard about Ohid Yaqub from this article:
Dream Session Beginning...
Riddle Sideways: hi San
San (Santoshima): hello, sorry late, pls continue
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): hi San
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi San
Eliza Madrigal: we've not yet begun with dream topics
San (Santoshima): ok
Riddle Sideways: were waiting for ya
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
San (Santoshima): aw
Eliza Madrigal: Does anyone have a report or interesting observation(s)?
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): I think a meeting place like this brings our dream themes together...
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): nothing from me
Zen (Zen Arado): one problem I am finding lately
Zen (Zen Arado): some of my dreams are true personal and reveal too much about myself
Zen (Zen Arado): and I'm sure that's true for all of us
Eliza Madrigal: a little sometimes
Eliza Madrigal: is there a way to share 'around' the details?
Zen (Zen Arado): so maybe our dream reports become too general
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes it is helpful just to share, for ourselves, opens understanding just by doing so
Zen (Zen Arado): or maybe we have to bite the bullet and say what the heck
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): we should only share what we are comfortable sharing
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: definitely
Eliza Madrigal: and also, anything can be left out of the public log
Zen (Zen Arado): I suppose this is true of any pab discussion
Agatha Macbeth: Sawing up the log
Eliza Madrigal: I am dreaming a lot, but making the choice not to record them.. instead I wake up to strange notes from my dreaming self, like "We are at the mercy of interpreters!"
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Eliza Madrigal: making the choice in the middle of the night... dream self making the choice, not the me self who is speaking now
Zen (Zen Arado): why not record them Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: I'm being tricked out of them Zen :))
Riddle Sideways: that was hard to follow, Eliza
Zen (Zen Arado): left brain is telling us they are stupid
Zen (Zen Arado): as usual
Eliza Madrigal: it is strange, Riddle
Zen (Zen Arado): so hard just to lift that arm and reach for the little recorder
Eliza Madrigal: more of a disconnect between the two states than usual
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I kind of know that feeling, Eliza
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): thinking...I think that when things get a little embarrassing in the dream it is an opportunity...to act as a witness to collective themes. When I worked primarily to see dreams as a spiritual practice then allowing the topics was bigger than the personal.
Eliza Madrigal: interesting, Luci
Tura Brezoianu: Sounds like your dreams want to not be interpreted
Zen (Zen Arado): yes
Riddle Sideways: yes
Eliza Madrigal: hm, yes
Tura Brezoianu: Or they're objecting to being misunderstood
Tura Brezoianu: ...as I might be doing right now :)
Zen (Zen Arado): I see this more and more clearly
Eliza Madrigal: no that's actually starkly insightful
Eliza Madrigal: thank you
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): many of my dreams seem not to want to be forced into the categories of waking thought
Eliza Madrigal: "we" being dreams maybe
Zen (Zen Arado): how to record your dreams without the left brain categorising them, categorising the life out of them
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): maybe yours Alma are coming froma deep unbounded awareness
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): harder to understand
Eliza Madrigal: deep dream stream
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): they make sense within their own context, but it can't be translated into waking language
Riddle Sideways: yes
Zen (Zen Arado): yes it's frustrating
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): I have heard of this that alma
Eliza Madrigal: Yet there is benefit to listening... what might it be?
Zen (Zen Arado): especially with one's left brain sneering at them :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Hearing :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: going a little with this theme of the barrier between worlds of languages... maybe in time there is more cross over
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): listening in deep awareness may bring one closer to the evolution of ones intentions
Zen (Zen Arado): I had two dreams last night
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): what are the possibilities...
Zen (Zen Arado): one was in SL
Zen (Zen Arado): it was just a fragment though
Zen (Zen Arado): I was walking around the room with other people
Zen (Zen Arado): like walking meditation, but I added that interpretation maybe
Zen (Zen Arado): and then suddenly a woman was taking over part of my brain
Zen (Zen Arado): I could see a dark part inside my brain that she had taken over to use
Zen (Zen Arado): done
Eliza Madrigal: !
Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): interesting
Agatha Macbeth: She created a parcel inside your head
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): ...wow
Eliza Madrigal: land for sale :))
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): you could have a conversation with that woman perhaps
Agatha Macbeth: Brain for rent
Zen (Zen Arado): I don't know who she was
Eliza Madrigal: not alt?
Zen (Zen Arado): Eliza maybe :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): brain hacker
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): someone yet to meet
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe Anshe Chung
Eliza Madrigal: maybe that's why I can't remember
Riddle Sideways: your unused cycles for rent
Eliza Madrigal: what happened? was it a good feeling?
Zen (Zen Arado): this was quite neutral it seemed like it was quite the usual thing
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): sub-letting
Zen (Zen Arado): one of my co-workers asked me to research where she can buy a certain type of gin
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): in the dream?
Zen (Zen Arado): but that didn't use much of my brain :-)
Zen (Zen Arado): in real life
Eliza Madrigal: I know a gin expert in SL if of any use, let me know :)
Eliza Madrigal: What was your other dream?
Zen (Zen Arado): sweet little bubba hubba bubblegum gin
Eliza Madrigal: @@
Zen (Zen Arado): they only make it in Manchester, it's a liqueur
Eliza Madrigal: spirits
Agatha Macbeth: Oh they would!
Zen (Zen Arado): maybe we could hear someone else's dream?
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): spirits that take over ones brain?
Eliza Madrigal listens
Eliza Madrigal: that's what I was thinking too Luci, hehe
Tura Brezoianu: I had one yesterday
Eliza Madrigal: nice
Eliza Madrigal listens
Tura Brezoianu: I only remembered the last part of it. I have the impression there was a lot more before.
Tura Brezoianu: I was walking along a narrow country path, with thick grass on either side. It came to a slight rise in the ground, and I couldn't see where it went beyond the top.
Tura Brezoianu: It could have gone over a cliff for all I could see, so I crawled forwards on hands and knees.
Tura Brezoianu: I found that after the rise the path curved vertically down and stopped a few yards below, like a stalactite hanging in empty space, and there was a drop of thousands of feet to the countryside below.
Tura Brezoianu: I have no head for heights, RL or dreaming
Tura Brezoianu: So I turned round to go back, but then I realised that the path I'd come along was actually the spine of a narrow ridge with the same sheer drop on either side, and I couldn't bring myself to walk along it, but just keep crawling, carefully placing one arm or leg at a time.
Agatha Macbeth: Me either
Tura Brezoianu: And I was thinking of all the distance I'd have to get through doing that before getting to safety.
Tura Brezoianu: done
Agatha Macbeth: Bet you were glad to wake up!
Eliza Madrigal: reading over
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): felt like intense exposure
Zen (Zen Arado): it feels like a classic dream like many people would have
Riddle Sideways: Interesting, had a very simular dream a month ago
Tura Brezoianu: I have a long-distance bike ride coming up this weekend
Tura Brezoianu: Might be something to do with it
Riddle Sideways: oh ok, not so interesting
Eliza Madrigal: and as though whatever it was you were heading toward was inevitable, no turning back
Eliza Madrigal: or at least not to avoid
Zen (Zen Arado): it's a kind of metaphor for life isn't it? We live on the edge
Eliza Madrigal: oh, that would make sense.... endurance needed too
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): fear of heights is instinctive. baby animals will avoid a cliff even if they have never seen one before
Zen (Zen Arado): reminds me of a Zen story
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): we are wired for that yes
Eliza Madrigal: quite a long distance, Tura?
Tura Brezoianu: I think I only crawled a few steps before waking
Eliza Madrigal: I think we prepare ourselves in dreams sometimes
Zen (Zen Arado): can I tell the story?
Tura Brezoianu: Oh, the ride? 150 miles.
Tura Brezoianu: Go ahead Zen
Eliza Madrigal: wow, that's great
Zen (Zen Arado): You all probably know it anyway
Eliza Madrigal listens
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): i want to hear more of both:)
Zen (Zen Arado): a man was out walking one day when he was chased by a tiger
Zen (Zen Arado): he came to the edge of the cliff and he had to jump over
Zen (Zen Arado): but he was able to grab hold of a vine
Zen (Zen Arado): he looked down and there was a tiger at the base of the cliff as well
Zen (Zen Arado): then he noticed a strawberry on the bush nearby
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): darn tigers
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen (Zen Arado): he picked it and ate it and it was delicious :-)
Zen (Zen Arado): done
Riddle Sideways: love those stories
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): nice story
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Agatha Macbeth nods
Zen (Zen Arado): it has some resemblance to Tura's dream, no?
Riddle Sideways: no sure
Eliza Madrigal: I hear the store as a 'savor the moment' kind of story, in spite of dangers
Eliza Madrigal: story*
Zen (Zen Arado): yes, something about living fully in the present
Eliza Madrigal: so I can see a little of that in Tura's dream, yes
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): look for the strawberries
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): a moment of sweetness
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen (Zen Arado): :-) and enjoy them
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I had a dream a week or two ago that led into to some very startling synchronicities in the following days
Eliza Madrigal: there is something in the crawling, in Tura's dream too, because I'd imagine that when you push yourself like that physically, you must have times of just going one more step, one more step
Zen (Zen Arado): listens
Tura Brezoianu listens
Eliza Madrigal: Would love to hear Alma :)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I've hesitated to share this
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): but here is the dream:
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): Something about mountain goats [?]. A wall of water, towering high over a place where people are, like a huge wave just about to break, but held in some kind of suspension. People wondering where that wall of water will first give way and come crashing down to sweep everything away. Some people in a car ask for a flashlight to point in the direction where they will best be able to survive the deluge. The flashlight falls down the slope of a hill. The mountain goat takes it somewhere, and some other animal does something else with it. There is some kind of a moral to that part of the story.
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): A couple of days after this dream, I heard a reference on the radio to a famous Japanese print called "The Great Wave off Kanagawa"
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I have seen that print, and I immediately realized that my dream image was very much like it
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I looked it up on Wikipedia and found some interesting associations to the dream.
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): There have been floods haven't there in Japan?
Zen (Zen Arado): tsunamis?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): Then a day or two after that, I got an e-mail from the Eckhart Tolle organization with a photo of a big wave in it, which looked very much like what I saw in my dream
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): I sometimes watch NHK news from rain in rivers?
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): flooding from rain?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): And THEN ... a day or two later, I was playing with a video game, and the game presented a scene in which a ship was overwhelmed by a huge wave
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): the game showed two images of the wave, one that looked much like what I saw in the dream, and another that looked much like that Japanese print
Riddle Sideways: in the print the wave never crashes and floods, but wants to hear more of the goat with the flashlight
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): That all left me feeling like, this can't all be just coincidence
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): I feel like the world has stories and our lives have stories and when the images layer up like that it seems quite significant.
Zen (Zen Arado): nods
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): especially when doing practices around awareness
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): well, as to the mountain goat, in the print of the wave off Kanagawa, Mt Fuji appears in the background
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): and of course, that has great spiritual significance
Eliza Madrigal: super interesting spill-overs, Alma, and the whole dream seems very bold symbolically
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): anyway, it all seemed kind of spooky, these images popping up that echoed my dream so closely
Zen (Zen Arado): nods
Eliza Madrigal: I'm a bit caught by the goat too, who is making things less simple for everyone
Eliza Madrigal: another no easy escape kind of theme
Zen (Zen Arado): those old Japanese prints always seem to have high mountains with tiny little figures
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I can't remember anything about the goat. All I know is what I managed to record at the time
Zen (Zen Arado): maybe it's a climate change warning?
[cliff hanger]
Zen (Zen Arado): sorry I have to go
Zen (Zen Arado): byee
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): bye Zen
Eliza Madrigal: I had a premonistic dream before the 2011 tsunamis... still feels very strange to think about
Tura Brezoianu: bye Zen
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): the mountain goat is a strong animal that travels ...in that landscape. they do break up earth. maybe so Zen
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, bye Zen!
Riddle Sideways: bye Zen
Agatha Macbeth: Happy caring Zenny
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): maybe I will post the images on my page in the PaB wiki
Riddle Sideways: drop in the Climate Change phrase and then leave
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): bye Zen...I should go too . great idea Alma
Riddle Sideways: darn
Eliza Madrigal: that would be great, noticed you made a page, Alma
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): i should go check...have been forgetting to.
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): See you all again. Sweet dreams. I just keep thinking our dreams are witnesses to stories of the earth.
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): bye Luci
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, bye Luci
Riddle Sideways: sweat dreams
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): drink your liquids:))
Eliza Madrigal: a wave, too, is a symbol of spill over... and we've been considering sychronicities in that way
Eliza Madrigal: perception
Eliza Madrigal: something to keep musing with.. would like to hear more when you think of it, notice things
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I want to read more about Jung's ideas on synchronicity
Eliza Madrigal: did I mention there is a funded study going on? a scientist awarded a huge grant
Eliza Madrigal: to study synchronicity... thought that was so interesting
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I'd like to know more about that
Eliza Madrigal: I'll attach info to the log
Eliza Madrigal: fits so well with the current consciousness studies going on in different places
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Luci
Eliza Madrigal: San, Agatha, Riddle... dreaming lately
Eliza Madrigal: ?
Riddle Sideways: yes and not recallings
Agatha Macbeth: Haven't dreamed of Prok lately :P
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Wow that was weird
Eliza Madrigal: especially since you don't remember dreams often, Aggers :)
Riddle Sideways: forget what Prok is?
Agatha Macbeth: Prokofy Neva - famous SL polemicist
Agatha Macbeth: And land baron
Riddle Sideways: oh yes... looked that up after your previous mention
Agatha Macbeth: Hope she doesn't get inside Zen's head :P
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Eliza Madrigal thinks of the Being John Malcovich film
Agatha Macbeth: Is it fun being JM?
San (Santoshima): please excuse me, needing to go
Agatha Macbeth: TC San
Agatha Macbeth: Paint well
Riddle Sideways: bye San
Eliza Madrigal: Bye San
Eliza Madrigal: any 'dream thoughts' before we close the session for today?
Riddle Sideways: nope
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: okay, one moment...
Eliza Madrigal: He smiled the most exquisite smile, veiled by memory, tinged by dreams. ~ To the Lighthouse, by Virginia Woolf
Agatha Macbeth: Who did?
Eliza Madrigal: can't remember, though I have read that book! ;p
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: Not JM then
Eliza Madrigal: must away....
Riddle Sideways: wow, being JM was 1999
Agatha Macbeth: Like prince
Eliza Madrigal: goodness
Agatha Macbeth: P*
Agatha Macbeth: Got the log Liz?
Eliza Madrigal: ah, thanks for reminding me to copy it before signing off
Riddle Sideways: by All
Agatha Macbeth: Unless you want a stamp free version?
Eliza Madrigal: bye Riddle, gtsy
Agatha Macbeth: TC Rid
Eliza Madrigal: if I copy from here that's how I don't have the stamps
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): have a good week, all
Eliza Madrigal: wish I could get rid of them otherwise
Agatha Macbeth: Sher gut
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, bye Alma! You too
Agatha Macbeth: Or something
Agatha Macbeth: Wow we're in descending height
Tura Brezoianu: goodnight all
Agatha Macbeth: TC Tu
Eliza Madrigal: Night Tura :)
Eliza Madrigal: so we are.. you are in platforms
Agatha Macbeth: Yep hover is 0
Eliza Madrigal: diva Aggers
Agatha Macbeth: So must be the shoes
Agatha Macbeth: Diva in ripped jeans
Beginning greetings
Agatha Macbeth: Lizzie ♥
Eliza Madrigal: Hi there you!
Agatha Macbeth: Hi here me
Eliza Madrigal: <3
Eliza Madrigal: How are all the things?
Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully where all the things should be :p
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Agatha Macbeth: Is George OK?
Eliza Madrigal: yup, staring at me from across the room, all covered in blankets
Agatha Macbeth: Awww
Agatha Macbeth: Little sweety
Eliza Madrigal: He really is, such a nice being
Agatha Macbeth: Like his mom
Eliza Madrigal: I may have given him my sore throat though... can't quite tell
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
Eliza Madrigal: some people say people can't give dogs colds, but he's caught mine twice now, or seems to have
Agatha Macbeth: They are cute when they sneeze
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Like babies
Eliza Madrigal: oooh baby sneezes
Eliza Madrigal: very precious
Agatha Macbeth: Yes indeed
Agatha Macbeth: I remember them well
Eliza Madrigal: remembering stronger as the years go on, perhaps
Agatha Macbeth sighs
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Agatha Macbeth: Luci :)
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): Hi Agatha:)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Luci :)
Agatha Macbeth: Luci in the sky with jamas
Eliza Madrigal: juicy fruit pjs :)
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): oops
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): :)
Agatha Macbeth: It's amazing how much of a pain sitting can still be in SL
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): I have a complicated day today
Agatha Macbeth: After all these years
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): true :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Agatha Macbeth: And here's Zenny
Eliza Madrigal: why complicated, Luci?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh he didn't sit where I thought he would
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Luci, Aggers, Eliza :)
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): many scheduling issues are in the mix...
Eliza Madrigal: you are juggling a lot it seems, this summer
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): planning the next month and a half withextra jobs to consider
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): my elderly brother needing more care, my son deciding to move back to NC, sitting only two days a seek but still...
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Alma :)
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): we will go help him drive back from Maine to Asheville
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Alma
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): Hi Alma
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Alma
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tura :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Tu
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): Zen, Tura,
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Eliza, Agatha, Luci, Zen, Tura
Tura Brezoianu: hi all
Eliza Madrigal: Didn't realize you were caring for your brother, Luci
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): well I fill in and hehasbecome less steady..
Agatha Macbeth: :(
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Tura
Eliza Madrigal: worthwhile time though, good for you
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): i am making a calendar and seeing if we can bring a helper in
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): yes
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): learning the ropes
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes it does seem as soon as one thing gives way, several things come to fill the space
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): how are you all?
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): true
Zen (Zen Arado): my careworkers have become chaotic lately
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
Eliza Madrigal: with their timing, Zen?
Zen (Zen Arado): Yes
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Rid
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): chaotic careworkers ... doesn't sound good
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Riddle :)
Zen (Zen Arado): 11 PM last night and I got a call to ask if they could come 8 PM this evening
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Riddle
Riddle Sideways: hi All
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Riddle
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): i heard dehydration is very sneaky and can cause us to not think well
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): hi Riddle
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): i.5 5 less can have an affect
Zen (Zen Arado): I bought myself a little water bottle so I can have a drink in the middle of the night
Eliza Madrigal: so late Zen... so basically they woke you to see what would be convenient?
Zen (Zen Arado): it's a small vacuum flask, stainless steel
Zen (Zen Arado): oh no they rang at lunchtime
Zen (Zen Arado): but I told them I was going to a meeting
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): scheduling is quite a thing!
Eliza Madrigal: ah :) robots might be more efficient
Agatha Macbeth: True dat
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): :))
Eliza Madrigal grins
Zen (Zen Arado): my two best care workers have gone off on maternity leave
Agatha Macbeth: AI careworkers
Zen (Zen Arado): robots don't have babies anyway :-)
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): :(
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Eliza Madrigal: not yet
Eliza Madrigal: Okay... sorry, happy to see everybody
Zen (Zen Arado): there was an article in the Guardian today about robots doing surgical operations
Agatha Macbeth: Happy to see you too :)
Zen (Zen Arado): and I signed up for an AI diagnostic medical app)
Zen (Zen Arado): Babylon
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): pretty amazing
Agatha Macbeth: Interesting name
Eliza Madrigal: alas
Zen (Zen Arado): I tried it today but wasn't all that impressed, but it will improve
Zen (Zen Arado): you can chat to a real doctor as well
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): what does it do?
Eliza Madrigal: Oh
Zen (Zen Arado): you can even signup through the NHS
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): oh
Zen (Zen Arado): that asks you questions after you tell it your symptoms
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): oh I get it
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): cool!
Zen (Zen Arado): it could be useful just as a first step before you see your real doctor
Zen (Zen Arado): AI is the way it's going
Eliza Madrigal: maybe we could invent a dream app, but not to measure sleep, rather to keep track and analyze patterns, compare with other dreamers
Agatha Macbeth: They can track brain activity I think
Zen (Zen Arado): yes maybe
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): AI-assisted lucidity ... hmmmm
Zen (Zen Arado): :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Encephalo...thingy
Eliza Madrigal: lucidity augmented
Zen (Zen Arado): that fitbits thing as a step in that direction
Luci (Lucinda Lavender): For some it might be a great way to center in on the situations zen, before talking to doc.
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Riddle Sideways: a small step in right direction
Zen (Zen Arado): yes exactly Luci
Zen (Zen Arado): and a lot of us check on the web anyway
Zen (Zen Arado): I checked on a headache I have in the mornings sometimes
Zen (Zen Arado): the most likely suspects were tension or chronic heart failure
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): my insurance has a phone number you can call to talk to a nurse about your symptoms. I've done it a couple of times, and had the impression the nurse was following computer prompts about what questions to ask me
Eliza Madrigal: um, big difference there Zen
Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully the former!
Eliza Madrigal: I'm sure that the only way it can work is to be verrrrrry limited
Eliza Madrigal: for liability reasons
Zen (Zen Arado): I don't mind, I would rather go out with a heart attack rather than suffer for years with cancer
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya San :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi San
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi San
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Zen (Zen Arado): I saw on a tech program that they are using AI systems in African countries where there aren't many doctors
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