The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

Aphrodite Macbain: 's current display-name is "Aph".
Tura Brezoianu: hi Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi tura
Aphrodite Macbain: What book are we studying now?
Tura Brezoianu: Slingerland's "Trying not to try"
Aphrodite Macbain: I've been out of commission for a month
Tura Brezoianu: Ah.
Aphrodite Macbain: Ok I'll try not to worry about my lack of being up-to-date
Tura Brezoianu: Better now?
Aphrodite Macbain: I have \ new knee
Aphrodite Macbain: It will take about 3 months for me to be fully mobile
Tura Brezoianu: I'm sure it will be worth it
Aphrodite Macbain: Sending most of my life being prone...
Aphrodite Macbain: bed or sofa
Aphrodite Macbain: \;0
Aphrodite Macbain: gets a bit boring
Aphrodite Macbain: but it will be nice to beable to walk without arthritic pain
Aphrodite Macbain: How has your spring been?
Tura Brezoianu: Fine, though the weather sometimes seems not to have made up its mind what season it is
Tura Brezoianu: burts of summer at the tail end of winter
--BELL--1.00
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Aphrodite Macbain: same here
Aphrodite Macbain: plus lots of floding
Aphrodite Macbain: flooding
Aphrodite Macbain: poor people moved odut of their homes
Aphrodite Macbain: who usually comes to these discussions?
Aphrodite Macbain: Bleu? aggers?
Tura Brezoianu: Eliza did until she took a break a couple of months ago
Tura Brezoianu: Agatha, Alma
Tura Brezoianu: Bleu
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- she's looking for a job I gather
Tura Brezoianu: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: Seems strange without her
Tura Brezoianu: Also Wester came recently
Aphrodite Macbain: ah
Aphrodite Macbain: here comes Bleu
Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Tura Brezoianu: hi Bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi Tura, Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: hi
Aphrodite Macbain: phone brb
Bleu Oleander: hi Qt
Qt Core: Hi all
Tura Brezoianu: hi Qt
Bleu Oleander: did everyone read chapter 6? I think that's were we are?
Tura Brezoianu: yes, just before coming online :)
Bleu Oleander: hey Aggers
Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
Tura Brezoianu: hi Ag, gla dyou could drop in :)
Qt Core: Hi Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Buonasera Qt :))
Qt Core: (forgot/didn't notice this was a book session... strange title for the book
--BELL--1.15
Agatha Macbeth: 'Don't judge a book by its cover' :p
Bleu Oleander: or its title :P
Qt Core: strange usually isn't a bad thing for me ;-)
Bleu Oleander: the title does introduce the paradox well
Agatha Macbeth: What is the title again? I can't even remember
Tura Brezoianu: "Trying not to try"
Agatha Macbeth: Oh yeh
Aphrodite Macbain: Back, sorry
Tura Brezoianu: The next chapter discusses the paradox in detail.
Qt Core: remind me of something my father used to say whenever doing something, especially if hard, like moving furniture around "fa' finta", lit, "fake it"
Agatha Macbeth: Hello back
Bleu Oleander: this chapter really present that paradox
Aphrodite Macbain: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ha
Agatha Macbeth: I like the Italian way of doing things
Bleu Oleander: if we don't try then there is no need for formal dogma/institutions
Qt Core: and if the thing was heavy you just had fo fale it a little more ;-)
Qt Core: *to fake
Agatha Macbeth: But of course
Agatha Macbeth: The greater the object the greater the non effort
Agatha Macbeth: Seems quite logical
Aphrodite Macbain: fa finta---I like it
Agatha Macbeth: How's things Qt?
Agatha Macbeth: Hope you are well
Qt Core: boringly hectic as always :-) you ?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh much the same
Agatha Macbeth: At least they're boring and warm there
Qt Core: here we have the "whet in hell should i wear" period, 10C or less in the morning and 24/24 in middle afternoon
Agatha Macbeth: Ah right
Aphrodite Macbain: layers
Agatha Macbeth: I've only ever been there in midsummer
Agatha Macbeth: Genoa in July was worse than Sardinia in June
Agatha Macbeth: But the food was pretty good
Agatha Macbeth: I actually had squid
Agatha Macbeth: Suckers and all
Bleu Oleander: ewwww
Agatha Macbeth: It was great actually
Bleu Oleander: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't taste like chicken at all
Bleu Oleander: they're very smart creatures ... I don't eat them anymore :)
Qt Core: learned how to cook it (in a potato salad, a classic recipe) only a few years ago
Agatha Macbeth: Inky too
Agatha Macbeth: The Med is so polluted it's amazing anything lives there
Aphrodite Macbain: I'd like to visit Italy in October and November
Bleu Oleander: me too!
Agatha Macbeth: Venice again?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: and maybe Sicily
Agatha Macbeth: Grab a gondolier
Aphrodite Macbain: avoids making a rude pun
Tura Brezoianu: I'm thinking about visiting Venice as well, never been there, must go there some day
--BELL--1.30
Agatha Macbeth: Yes leave that to me
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Agatha Macbeth: I hear the streets are always flooded
Bleu Oleander: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: maybe we should have another pab retreat to Venice
Bleu Oleander: I was only there once ... would love to go back
Agatha Macbeth: Did we have one before?
Tura Brezoianu: It's still sinking, one day there won;t be a Venice
Qt Core: and me, just some 200 from Venice i've been there just a couple half days... tio go to a couple museum exhibits... decades ago
Aphrodite Macbain: Every time I go it's a different experience
Aphrodite Macbain: visiting the smaller towns in the Veneto is also wonderful- Padua, Verona,
Qt Core: 270km
Aphrodite Macbain: go again QT
Bleu Oleander: brb phone call
Aphrodite Macbain: hb
Agatha Macbeth: Pencil
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Aphrodite Macbain: f
Agatha Macbeth: F?
Aphrodite Macbain: = hard
Qt Core: in Verona i got my first episode of vertigo, went up in the Arena and got problems getting down
Aphrodite Macbain: HB =soft
Agatha Macbeth: NO comment
Aphrodite Macbain: It's a big arena. I'd love to see an opera there
Aphrodite Macbain: lol Aggers
Qt Core: the are a few during summer
Aphrodite Macbain: Maybe verona in October, enice in November
Aphrodite Macbain: there
Qt Core: venice channels covered in fog should be nice
Agatha Macbeth: When's the Biennale, or whatever it's called?
Aphrodite Macbain: when I can walk again, that's what I'll do
Aphrodite Macbain: every year fro June to \october -ish
Agatha Macbeth: Riight
Tura Brezoianu adds Verona to holiday planning file
Aphrodite Macbain: architecture/ art
Agatha Macbeth: Thought it would be evry two from the name
Aphrodite Macbain: add Padua and Vincenza too
Aphrodite Macbain: architecture every second year
Qt Core: and all the villas build by Palladio are between those cities too...
Agatha Macbeth: Wol would like that
Aphrodite Macbain: I went with Wol!
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
Aphrodite Macbain: 2010
Aphrodite Macbain: I think
Agatha Macbeth: Good heavens
Agatha Macbeth: That long
Aphrodite Macbain: I know
Aphrodite Macbain: :(
Agatha Macbeth: Holidays in the sun
Aphrodite Macbain: No aqua alta though
Agatha Macbeth: High water?
Aphrodite Macbain: that happens in the fall
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: st Mark's square is filled with water
Agatha Macbeth: Ah right
Agatha Macbeth: Do tides cause that?
Aphrodite Macbain: I'd like to experience it
Aphrodite Macbain: I guess- not sure \aggers
Qt Core: tides,and wind mostly
Aphrodite Macbain: wine?
Agatha Macbeth nods
Aphrodite Macbain: wind
Aphrodite Macbain: wine too :)
Agatha Macbeth: I prefer wine
Agatha Macbeth: To wind
Aphrodite Macbain: me too
Qt Core: that is the remedy, you drink wine and don't care about water
Agatha Macbeth: :P
Aphrodite Macbain: exactly
Agatha Macbeth: Unless you can turn one into the other
Aphrodite Macbain: I imagine myself sitting on the top floor of a palazzo, drinking wine, watching the rain and writing poetry
Tura Brezoianu: perfect wu wei
Aphrodite Macbain: writing another poem about rain
Qt Core: this past uyear high water went insider st. Mark and made some damage: https://www.ilgazzettino.it/nordest/...i-4074543.html
Aphrodite Macbain: I like a moody city
Aphrodite Macbain: dear
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Bleu Oleander: sorry must go ... long call ... take care all
Qt Core: bye Bleu
Tura Brezoianu: bye Bleu
Aphrodite Macbain: byee Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Be well Bleuji
Aphrodite Macbain: You have all inspired me.
Aphrodite Macbain: There is life after my knee transplant
Aphrodite Macbain: andd ddit's called Venice
Agatha Macbeth: Health and safety at prayer
Aphrodite Macbain: ?
Aphrodite Macbain: I cant kneel though
Agatha Macbeth: What did they do with the knee?
Aphrodite Macbain: they gave me a new metal one
--BELL--1.45
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: Careful when you go through metal detectors
Aphrodite Macbain: Going through security will be a hassle
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Aphrodite Macbain: snap
Tura Brezoianu: hope it doesn't snap!
Aphrodite Macbain: Dont say that!
Aphrodite Macbain: QT - how's your mum and sister?
Qt Core: my sister is good, my mother isn't anymore since 9/2017
Agatha Macbeth: :(
Aphrodite Macbain: Oh I'm sorry
Qt Core: but it was almost better this way, most of her mind wasn't anymore there since a few years
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Agatha Macbeth nods too
Aphrodite Macbain: that must have been hard for all of you
Qt Core: probably i'll finish the burocratic part of her passing next week...
Agatha Macbeth: Yes it's a long haul
Aphrodite Macbain: what a drag
Aphrodite Macbain: Have we finished talking about the book?
Agatha Macbeth: For this week it seems
Agatha Macbeth: Unless you want to say more?
Tura Brezoianu: I don't think we really started this week
Aphrodite Macbain: I must have missed the discussion while on the phone
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe paradoxes will be more interesting
Qt Core: someone ... tried ;-)
Aphrodite Macbain: what is the next book?
Agatha Macbeth: Is there one?
Aphrodite Macbain: shrugs
Tura Brezoianu: Not yet, we still have a few chapters of this one
Aphrodite Macbain: kk
Agatha Macbeth can hardly contain herself
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm going to begin a course on resilience in aging next week- an on line course
Tura Brezoianu: Just two more chapters after this one
Aphrodite Macbain: should be interesting
Agatha Macbeth: Aph
Agatha Macbeth: •✠• Øh Μч ɢøɖ •✠•
Agatha Macbeth: Do you get a diploma at the end?
Aphrodite Macbain: One needs resilience as one ages \:)
Aphrodite Macbain: ha not if I dont want to
Agatha Macbeth: One needs something that's for sure
Aphrodite Macbain: Im just curious
Agatha Macbeth: Hello curious
Agatha Macbeth: Curiouser and curiouser
Aphrodite Macbain: how does one build strength and resilience - espacially as the mind and body start to disintegrate?
Agatha Macbeth: With mind I think it's possible - body I'm not sure of :p
Aphrodite Macbain: Now that I'm in my 70s - this has become a subject of interest...
Agatha Macbeth: Unless you end up like a cyborg
Aphrodite Macbain: well- I have an artificial knee..
Agatha Macbeth: You stick to wine and poetry in Venice
Aphrodite Macbain: sounds good
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Agatha Macbeth: Trust me Jim, I'm a doctor
Qt Core: how much tech, from computers to new knees can make your mind go around even with an ageing body
Aphrodite Macbain: prosecco and pasta
Qt Core: ...
Aphrodite Macbain: good question T
Agatha Macbeth ponders a knee with AI
Aphrodite Macbain: my challenge is to maintain a positive outlook
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, isn't it everybody's
Aphrodite Macbain: as I watch myself disintegrate
Agatha Macbeth: Don't look then
Aphrodite Macbain: thank Aggers :/
Agatha Macbeth: YW dear
Aphrodite Macbain: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: This was fun. I've missed our discussions
--BELL--2.00
Agatha Macbeth: You didn't take your laptop in hospital?
Aphrodite Macbain: uh nI was there overnight
Aphrodite Macbain: then they kicked me out
Aphrodite Macbain: what am I doing?
Agatha Macbeth: They do that here too
Agatha Macbeth: Yes what are you doing?
Aphrodite Macbain: cant stand
Aphrodite Macbain: maybe it's my knee
Agatha Macbeth: Turn off avatar animations
Tura Brezoianu: Maybe you can find a titanium knee on the SL marketplace
Agatha Macbeth: There ya go
Aphrodite Macbain: whew
Agatha Macbeth: Ara used to have a red rose for that
Aphrodite Macbain: art imitating life?
Agatha Macbeth: Could be
Agatha Macbeth: Or art imitating SL
Agatha Macbeth: Check your hover Tu
Aphrodite Macbain: seee you all next week
Agatha Macbeth: Byee
Agatha Macbeth: Happy knees
Qt Core: bye Aph, bye all
Agatha Macbeth: Ciao Qt
Tura Brezoianu: goodnight all
Agatha Macbeth: Be well
Agatha Macbeth: NN