2020.07.29 13:00 - Would AI Play as Being?

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Riddle :) Good to see you
Riddle Sideways: HI, got a notice
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Is your construction finished?
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol :)
Riddle Sideways: yes, good to you. and Wol
Wol Euler: evening all!
Wol Euler: hello riddle, eliza <3
Riddle Sideways: not quite, but getting done
Eliza Madrigal: lovely outfit Wol
Wol Euler: awww thank you :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I didn't do much searching into Baggini this week, but I hope others did

Mesh

Riddle Sideways: Wol, does new mesh body mean buy new clothes?
Eliza Madrigal: good question, I'm intimidated by mesh
Wol Euler: yes it does
Wol Euler: well, mostly yes
Riddle Sideways: Coming late to the party, having read the 3 logs and having missed Josche Bach stuff
Wol Euler: it is possible with a feature called BOM to apply "legacy" textured clothing to the mesh body
Wol Euler: but frankly that usually is disappointing
Wol Euler: because the shapes are different
Riddle Sideways: yep
Eliza Madrigal: Took me a while to catch up to where I am now (decades ago in SL time)
Riddle Sideways: but for the most favorite outfits
Wol Euler: hello mick
Riddle Sideways: Hi Running Mick
Wol Euler: Running Man

--BELL--
 

Eliza Madrigal: :) Hi Mick
Mickorod Renard: Hi guys
Wol Euler: most favourite outfits are gone, I fear
Riddle Sideways: poof
Wol Euler: because most makers of legacy clothes will not remake them for mesh objects
Wol Euler: so: new favourites are needed :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: but the mesh bodies are so lovely compared to the old ones
Wol Euler: especially with bento animations
Wol Euler: dance animations with individual fingers moving!
Mickorod Renard: I dont know whether I have a mesh body
Eliza Madrigal: oooh
Wol Euler: if you don't know, then you do not
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: he he , thought so
Riddle Sideways: yep, that is how thinking goes
Mickorod Renard: :)
Wol Euler: unless somebody spent 2500 L$ for you and fittted out your avatar without you knowing?
Mickorod Renard: wasnt sure whether we get auto upgrades
Mickorod Renard: ah, nope
Wol Euler: nope :)

Eliza Madrigal: How customizable compared with outdated avie appearances?
Wol Euler: not as much
Riddle Sideways: That is the complexity
Wol Euler: the mesh is limited in how far it will deform
Wol Euler: "deform" away from the standard

Eliza Madrigal zooms in to look for Wol's freckles...
Mickorod Renard: are they heavy or lighter in prim or lag
Wol Euler: my face is original old body :D
Wol Euler: because mesh faces are even less adaptable than mesh bodies
Eliza Madrigal: Ahhh
Wol Euler: and old faces are really expressive
Wol Euler: many people keep their old face, as I did
Eliza Madrigal: Didn't realize that was possible
Wol Euler: oh yes
Wol Euler: almost all mesh bodies are sold headless
Eliza Madrigal: Now I'm more tempted, even though my face isn't that distinctive
Wol Euler: but it is you
Wol Euler: you'll feel the difference :)
Riddle Sideways: ㋡
Eliza Madrigal: :) in its way, yes
Wol Euler: I put a lot of effort into Wol's face

Mickorod Renard: I cannot say how long I will last, btw. I am tethered to a portable wifi thingy
Wol Euler: her blobby nose, her too-big mouth, her slightly-too-far-apart eyes :)
Eliza Madrigal nods, smiles
Eliza Madrigal: Wol is Wol, for sure
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: Are you using a hot spot, Mick?
Riddle Sideways: and the other Wols are Wol
Mickorod Renard: I think thats what it is called
Wol Euler: reducing your display distance will help
Mickorod Renard: ah ok ty
 

Back to Bach

Eliza Madrigal: Hm, I didn't do much research into Baggini this week, so was looking for others to fill in that part, but we can talk about anything ^.^
Riddle Sideways: or are you at a Starbucks on somebody else's phone hot spot
Riddle Sideways: Started Baggini to come today, but got bored and went back to Josche Bach
Mickorod Renard: I am stripping someone elses phone allowance
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Wol Euler: heheh
Riddle Sideways: took 6 hours to get through a 3 hor youtube
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, so you liked Bach too?
Riddle Sideways: yes
Mickorod Renard: I never got to the end
Eliza Madrigal: I took lots of hours, but that's because I'd fade out and have to start again
Riddle Sideways: packs a LOT of stuff into each sentence
Eliza Madrigal: Yes!
Riddle Sideways: oh! go back the end was good
Eliza Madrigal: Was there something you were especially struck by?
Mickorod Renard: he he
Riddle Sideways: long story
Eliza Madrigal has time :))
Mickorod Renard: we are all ear

Riddle Sideways: am 2 years into OpenCog (an AI platform)
Mickorod Renard: cool
Riddle Sideways: which has a microPsi component
Riddle Sideways: which is Bach's Psi
Eliza Madrigal: Oooh
Riddle Sideways: So, got excited
Riddle Sideways: OpenCog is the AI the Hansom robot (temp forgot name) runs
Riddle Sideways: she uses the microPsi emotions to control facial responses
Riddle Sideways: however, hearing Josche go on
Mickorod Renard: hansom is hong kong based mini robots

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: some re like little girl dolls. I need one cos I miss my grandkids so much due to covid
Eliza Madrigal: aw
Wol Euler: <3
Eliza Madrigal: weird question, but can you experience the way he thinks, working with that platform, those emotions?
Riddle Sideways: aw
Riddle Sideways: well, not completely. the implimentation needs work and expansion
Riddle Sideways: Sophia
Mickorod Renard: yes
Mickorod Renard: its odd, I just saw a bit on net where Sophie asks kids to be kind to her so she can learn compassion
Riddle Sideways: funniest thing about the AIs programming themselves is you can't See them thinking and the thought process
Mickorod Renard: does that suggest that ai can learn compassion?
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, nice
Riddle Sideways: of course you can't See any of us thinking either
Wol Euler: true
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Riddle Sideways: yes! LovingAI
Eliza Madrigal: I feel as though a lot is happening that I'm not in on... as though I'm looking in the window, and want to at least be in tune with the conceptual changes... maybe that is similar

Mickorod Renard: I dont feel I have learnt compassion yet
Riddle Sideways: ㋡ right Mick
Eliza Madrigal: It seems a good way to teach compassion, or rather bring it forward, to ask someone to show you
Riddle Sideways: a lot of training
Riddle Sideways: we All and AI need lots of training
Riddle Sideways: and even then it is easy to miss compasion
Eliza Madrigal: hard to reach omnicompassion
Wol Euler: those videos on youtube where somebody is being a dick to a dog, like teasing it by showing and taking away a treat, and the other dog comes up and grabs the treat and gives it to the teased one.
Riddle Sideways: do ones tell another the absolute truth or what other could hear or what other will except
Wol Euler: is compassion in action, whether or not the dog feels what we do
Riddle Sideways: oooooo like that
Eliza Madrigal: sense of justice

Mickorod Renard: some of the videos and stuff read that is associated with Bach and others focus lots on how we have steered our reality by past events and learning .And that we could have took alternative routes leading to a diferent view. Are we not likely to create a Ai reality that is nothing new but a copy of our thinking?
Eliza Madrigal: more endless self feedback?
Mickorod Renard: yes
Riddle Sideways: brb
Eliza Madrigal: "in the image of ...."
Mickorod Renard: ha ha. yes
Mickorod Renard: there was another article on the subject came through on my phone today via american scientist
Eliza Madrigal listens
Mickorod Renard: seems in vogue
Eliza Madrigal: Most interesting thing happening right now :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)

Wol Euler: my thinking is that AI must inevitably be a different kind of intelligence to ours, because it is not based in or carried around by a fleshy body
Wol Euler: hello blue
Bleu Oleander: hi all, sorry to be late
Wol Euler: bleu
Mickorod Renard: Hi Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: If it would experience, like we do (according to Bach), within a simulated world, it may be close....
Eliza Madrigal: touch feedback, pain...
Eliza Madrigal: although I still bracket out the transcendent for now, I admit
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: yes, its dificult to get the mind around seperating our link to our body
Eliza Madrigal: (IOW body is 'in' or part of the simulation)
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: {Why did I just think of milk bottles, lol, totally (?) unrelated}

--BELL--

Wol Euler: heheheheh
Mickorod Renard: but an ai could percieve it also has a body the same way we do
Wol Euler: would it, though?
Wol Euler: does an AI need to be embodied?
Wol Euler: or might it just be a program with sensors?
Bleu Oleander: like a thermostat?
Mickorod Renard: I guess we are programmed with sensors too
Wol Euler: and a camera or two, sure
Eliza Madrigal: maybe we would want it to be... mitigating loneliness... that "someone" is sharing experience
Wol Euler: and a bump-ometer
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: sounds like my vaccum Wol
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: your vacuum has cameras? fancy...

Wol Euler: interesting thought: I infer that you all think about AI as being embodied in a mobile self-directed cyber body?
Eliza Madrigal: ;-)
Wol Euler: whereas I think of it as a mainframe program that has no body, like the woman in She
Eliza Madrigal thinks about that ::thought bubble goes ... ::::
Bleu Oleander: Her - the movie?
Wol Euler: *Her, yes
Wol Euler: the movie
Wol Euler: sorry
Bleu Oleander: kinda a super-siri
Wol Euler: she exists only as a voice and a stream of thoughts and data
Eliza Madrigal: The AI in Her was ultimately untethered... so couldn't 'stay'
Mickorod Renard: the mainframe would be like the singularity?
Riddle Sideways: back
Eliza Madrigal: and he couldn't go...
Eliza Madrigal: so pinpointed a certain problem designers of AI probably grapple with that would be sort of solved maybe by embodiment
Wol Euler: but am I right? are you thinking of robots when you talk about AI?
Eliza Madrigal: I tend to think more of augmentation, but if thinking about robots, I guess so
 

Bleu Oleander: I know I recommend a lot of books, but my newest one has really changed the way I think about mind/brain and I highly recommend it, "the Mind is Flat" ... even if you don't agree its worth thinking about

Eliza Madrigal: I've never really desired a 'servant', so I guess I think of companions
Riddle Sideways: Bach makes a statements about an AI with a body could move over to look at a scene differently
Eliza Madrigal: Making note :)
Bleu Oleander: AI can be many forms probably
Mickorod Renard: did anyone understand the frequently mentioned association with color?and our perception of it?
Bleu Oleander: we just had a salon on color perception
Mickorod Renard: not sure i understand what i just wrote
Eliza Madrigal grins
Mickorod Renard: ah
Riddle Sideways: light in the seeable range is different frequentdies
Eliza Madrigal: Would need a refresh on the question, but sometimes the conversation is how do we know our red is the same red as another's red?
Wol Euler nods.
Mickorod Renard: well I am badly colorblind
Riddle Sideways: training again
Eliza Madrigal: we can be sure it isn't though.. as all those weird pictures online show us
Mickorod Renard: but wondered whether it was a fault in my upbringing
Wol Euler nods.
Riddle Sideways: whatever you see ... you got trained to call it magenta
Eliza Madrigal: ah, true
Eliza Madrigal: your upbringing, Mick?
Bleu Oleander: its cones/rods and brains ... we're mostly similar there, but also experience of color differs with different people, different associations and memories
Mickorod Renard: well, thinking about it I cannot diferentiate between colors, so ts different
Bleu Oleander: high percentage of men are color blind ... to mostly greens and reds
Riddle Sideways: philosopical questions don't work with Everybody

Eliza Madrigal: [sorry, had to show child koi fish swim]
Bleu Oleander: lovely
Mickorod Renard: he he
Wol Euler waves to watching child!
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal waves back
Riddle Sideways: ㋡ had precieved you 'swimming' in the air

Wol Euler: when and how did you realize that your vision was different, Mick?
Mickorod Renard: I dont think our reality would be so diferent to what we have as it must be like darwinian evolution
Mickorod Renard: as a child i knew
Mickorod Renard: teachers would grumble at my mistakes
Wol Euler: hmmmmmm
Riddle Sideways: well if OUR simulation is a build up from cellular level models
Bleu Oleander: there's a wonderful exhibition in NYC at AMNH: https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/color
Riddle Sideways: sorry need to go
Riddle Sideways: by All
Wol Euler: bye riddle, take care
Bleu Oleander: bye Riddle
Eliza Madrigal: glad you were able to be here a bit Riddle
Mickorod Renard: bye Riddle, nice to c u
Mickorod Renard: will copy that link bleu as slow internet
Bleu Oleander: nice to explore that site
Eliza Madrigal: The video must be a tour of exhibit?
Mickorod Renard: thanks
Bleu Oleander: a book is available too

Mickorod Renard: as i paint lots I do notice that I exist in another color world
Eliza Madrigal: Bleu always comes bearing gifts ^.^
Bleu Oleander: LOL
Mickorod Renard: :)

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: that's really beautifully said, Mick
Eliza Madrigal: say more?
Bleu Oleander: too many interesting things out there
Mickorod Renard: its actually very frustrating
Mickorod Renard: he he
Wol Euler: yes, I bet it is
Mickorod Renard: I wonder though, if an ai was to develop over several thousand years would it be so diferent?
Eliza Madrigal: I wonder too.... especially if AI was able to compound faster than we've been
Mickorod Renard: I guess one could model it
Mickorod Renard: it would need a power source
Eliza Madrigal: we've evolved with and as environment... so whole environment would have to I think?
Wol Euler: I'd be utterly astonished if it didn't compound hundreds of orders of magnitude faster than biological evolution
Bleu Oleander: I think it already is :)
Mickorod Renard: thats a facinating thought Wol
Bleu Oleander: machine learning is amazing
Eliza Madrigal: where would AI find meaning... or would it be programmed to find it... and then always feel something is off, like most of us do

Mickorod Renard: could someone run a simulated ai version of our thinking and see what the future for humans is?
Eliza Madrigal: Oooh
Eliza Madrigal: like the star simulators?
Bleu Oleander: simulated version of our thinking part is a big challenge
Wol Euler: I don't think we know enough about how we think to be able to model it meanigfully
Mickorod Renard: is that not their goal, to make ai think like us?
Eliza Madrigal: probably still at data gathering level for that
Eliza Madrigal nods Wol
Mickorod Renard: yes, I see where you are with that Wol

Wol Euler: if all that an AI does is to think like a human, then I'll consider it a failure. We have no shortage of humans
Eliza Madrigal: and mankind gets knocked around... natural disasters, etc
Eliza Madrigal: gets set back, so can't run any linear progression
Eliza Madrigal: 'super' human, Wol... seems the goal... perhaps unfortunately
Eliza Madrigal: What would you strive for?
Wol Euler: usefully different, and no I don't know what that means :D
Mickorod Renard: our thinking is often deterined by outside factors, family greed emotion etc. Would Ai do it diferently?
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: Goodness, would love a smarter AI stand in to deal with my family of origin
Wol Euler: a useful AI would have to know that telling lies is bad, except when telling a lie is the morally good thing to do.
Wol Euler: there are at least four separate precepts in that sentence :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: quote from book I mentioned ... "it is our wild imposition of meaning upon the world by the appropriation and transformation of past experience that is essence of human thought, from which our more sober reflections can, with difficulty, be constructed. Watching the mind at play is our best guide to its natural mode of operation."
Mickorod Renard: thats so true Wol, like say Autistic ranging folk often struggle cos they are limited in the ability to adjust their level of truth

Wol Euler: I see AI coming most swiftly in things like the ethical values that will NEED to be embedded in self-driving dars
Wol Euler: cars
Eliza Madrigal gets hooked at 'mind at play'
Bleu Oleander: yes, right?
Wol Euler: trolley problem but with you in the car as the single fat guy who might need to be sacrificed
Eliza Madrigal: AI may help us nudge beyond tight scripted narratives in the short term/personal level
Wol Euler: which driver would accept that?`
Mickorod Renard: mind at play. reminds me of how dogs became friend with humans for a more comfortable life
Bleu Oleander: play as being :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: AI aware enough to catch being in the play
Mickorod Renard: human navigation between the intricacies of life with other humans
Eliza Madrigal: It is law that hasn't been written... probably can't be except by playing it out, which is indeed pretty scary
Eliza Madrigal: even the trolley prob would have different right answers in diff scenarios
Eliza Madrigal: other factors
Wol Euler: right
Mickorod Renard: I guess a fast thinking human driver would have the same thought process
Wol Euler: oh what was the name of that near-future Wil Smith movie with the robot?
Mickorod Renard: run the cat over or crash into the child on the sidewalk
Mickorod Renard: i robot?

--BELL--

Wol Euler: sorry, ignore that, just a diversion :)
Eliza Madrigal: Almost said Mr. Robot... which was fun
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I think about Her more often than any other film along these lines
Eliza Madrigal: felt realistic to me.... like not much in between that possible future and now
Wol Euler: yes, eliza, me too
Wol Euler: very resonant still
Bleu Oleander: yes me too
Mickorod Renard: I find it funny how many of lifes stories fit into a small group of naratives, always reeating and dressed up a bit diferent
Eliza Madrigal: so so true
Eliza Madrigal: recurring patterns... some say until we 'get it', but I'm not so sure it can be gotten :)

Mickorod Renard: most dilemnas have been written for us for thousands of years but we still make the same mistakes
Eliza Madrigal: player a chooses response b, but player b was expecting response d4
Mickorod Renard: from greeks to shakespeare etc
Mickorod Renard: he he , yes Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: sort of impressive :)
Eliza Madrigal: spin offs

Mickorod Renard: we cant seem to see the whole picture all of the time but Ai might
Eliza Madrigal: that's what Yuval Harari cites as his biggest fear
Mickorod Renard: ah
Eliza Madrigal: that AI will know us so much better than we know ourselves
Mickorod Renard: ai out manouvers us
Bleu Oleander: its sorta getting there already
Eliza Madrigal: already we see how maniuplated we are
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Mickorod Renard: Ai out manouvers Trump
Mickorod Renard: he he
Mickorod Renard: ah Trump is un deerminable
Eliza Madrigal: AI in the hands of moneyed interests = fewer and fewer wild open places... even mentally... resource plundering....
Mickorod Renard: unintelligable
Mickorod Renard: yeh, and humans are costly on the environment
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: we really need a revolution in thinking
Eliza Madrigal: maybe AI can show more possibilities... that would interesting
Eliza Madrigal: write scripts that help us break out
Mickorod Renard: maybe covid is part of ai thinking?
Eliza Madrigal: The GO program supposedly did that... thought in ways most humans wouldn't have thought of, when faced with same scenarios
Mickorod Renard: oops, no conspiracy theories
Mickorod Renard: oh yeh the game
Eliza Madrigal: yes.... that's hopeful and exciting to consider
Eliza Madrigal: humans are now studying those games
Bleu Oleander: that was machine learning ... neural nets, right?
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eliza Madrigal: AlphaGo
Mickorod Renard: interestingly I am playing grandkids at checkers now, its interesting watching them develop
Bleu Oleander: machine learned by experience
Bleu Oleander: like we do :)
Eliza Madrigal: but the game saw things the humans hadn't, perhaps due to speed?
Bleu Oleander: I think so
Bleu Oleander: way faster
Eliza Madrigal: Are you playing zoom checkers Mick?
Eliza Madrigal is rubbish at Checkers but once was good at Chess
Mickorod Renard: no, just social distanced when I can
Eliza Madrigal: sweet

Bleu Oleander: has anyone done a zoom movie yet?
Mickorod Renard: I do chess too but I never have long enough with them
Eliza Madrigal: I haven't... although years ago I did something similar
Mickorod Renard: I havnt
Bleu Oleander: we're going to try it ... seems a thing out there
Mickorod Renard: some teachers did so they could remote teach
Eliza Madrigal: notice a lot of sites have watch parties... is that the same?
Bleu Oleander: yes
Eliza Madrigal: We used to try to do movies in SL a long time ago....

--BELL--

Bleu Oleander: much harder
Mickorod Renard: can u remember the plays?
Eliza Madrigal: usually tech issues... everything has come a long way
Bleu Oleander: yes
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, yes
Eliza Madrigal: watch parties have running chat?
Mickorod Renard: and poetry
Eliza Madrigal: So nice... miss trying to write poems
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: well, i had best go as I have used up lots of air time
Wol Euler: heheheh
Mickorod Renard: grin
Bleu Oleander: yes Eliza
Wol Euler: bye mick, take care
Eliza Madrigal: Another fun conversation :) night, Mick
Mickorod Renard: bye folks, thanks for chat
Bleu Oleander: I must go too
Eliza Madrigal: I can't think of any film I want to see right now...
Wol Euler: bye bleu
Bleu Oleander: nice to see you all
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bleu, thanks for pointings :)
Eliza Madrigal: Gtsy2
Bleu Oleander: yw!
Bleu Oleander: fun to chat ... see you soon.
Eliza Madrigal waves warmly
Bleu Oleander: byebye

Eliza Madrigal: And time for bed Wol, or nonsense then bed?
Wol Euler: some nonsense first :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: but not long before bed
Wol Euler: I'm sleeping really badly lately
Wol Euler: waking far too early
Eliza Madrigal: :(
Eliza Madrigal: anxiety?
Wol Euler: perhaps
Eliza Madrigal nods
Wol Euler: I am certainly anxious and annoyed and worried and furiously angry about many things
Eliza Madrigal: I spent a bit of my therapy session talking about this... she said she's hearing it from everyone
Wol Euler: I believe that :)
Eliza Madrigal: I had this ridiculous but frightening dream.... it was that the absurdity of things now is quite serious feeling
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: no precedent for our 'leaders' be so unleaderly
Wol Euler: yes
Wol Euler: Trump is openly trying to create a fascist dictatorship, and the GOP is fully supporting him
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eliza Madrigal: or head in the sand
Wol Euler: "if I vote for the man who wants to rip everyone's heart out, perhaps he won't rip *my* heart out." Well, duh. Guess again.
Eliza Madrigal: they really don't see it...
Wol Euler: I'm not even an american and it horrifies and depresses me
Eliza Madrigal: they think he's an 'imperfect vessel' for God's purposes or some such...
Wol Euler: I don't know know you (youse, y'alls) cope
Eliza Madrigal: amplifies personal anxieties too... to feel that one has few recourses or can afford few responses
Eliza Madrigal: I'm not handling it well
Wol Euler hugs you
Eliza Madrigal hugs you back... thank you
Eliza Madrigal: I'm trying to draw upon everything we've learned, though
Eliza Madrigal: and more and more being ruthless about making the time to zone out of it
Wol Euler: good
Eliza Madrigal: maybe sleep will catch up to that idea :)
Wol Euler: heheh
Eliza Madrigal: I can't take melatonin but you may consider if you don't have ill response to it
Wol Euler: a sleep aid?
Eliza Madrigal nods, natural, helps Sav a lot
Eliza Madrigal: I'm picking her up from airport tomorrow
Wol Euler: noted, thank you
Wol Euler: oooh
Eliza Madrigal: we'll be in face masks in the apartment half the time... sigh

Wol Euler: I haven't heard that sentence in so many months! :D
Eliza Madrigal: right?!?!
Wol Euler: people used to do that all the time, you know?
Wol Euler: they'd just go there and hang out. with thousands of other people
Wol Euler: standing right next to each other
Wol Euler: wow.
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Wol Euler: it seems like a different era
Wol Euler: a differnet culture
Eliza Madrigal: it does!
Eliza Madrigal: we're all going to have to learn to socialize again eventually
Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: well I wish you both well in your quarantine
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you, and I wish you pleasant dreams
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: thank you
Wol Euler: take care <3
Eliza Madrigal: bfn <3