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    Fefonz is the scriber here, and indeed this is a nice collection! So many issues can be found hee in only three days, that i could only echo remotely some of them. Hence the title, and it also have something in common with the quotes from 24-4, 13:00 session. The first to solve might win something :)

    A classic Pema phrasing:
    Pema Pera: anything that appears is fuel for appreciation
    Pema Pera: your life is nothing but fuel, and appreciation is your engine that runs on it
    Pema Pera: you get great mileage that way!
    Tarmel Udimo: :)
    Pema Pera: every quarter second :)
    And a daily life example (mainly if you encounter Dragons in your daily life :):

    Pema Pera: so when somebody annoys you at work, you can really really really feel the acute presence of your annoyence, really fully go into it, completely -- and then the next moment you can see how you can also let it drop, watching what takes its place at *that* moment
    Pema Pera: half-hearted annoyence tends to linger forever
    Pema Pera: fully appreciating the presence of anything can make room for the next thing in the next mom    Pema Pera: burn up each moment
    Pema Pera: fully
    Pema Pera: like a dragon :-)

    Eliza Madrigal: Often we don't know the baggage we carry until it drops and we think "ahhh, that's a relief!" :)

    Fefonz Quan: i see. i don't think bad dreams show something bad. infact, waking from a bad dream i sometimes feel much better than waking from a good dream
    Eliza Madrigal: Fefonz, you mean if you can resolve it...or just feeling exhilerated?
    Fefonz Quan: feeling relieved that the real world is nicer ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    genesis Zhangsun: catch the monkey by the tail every fifteen minutes as I think of it
    Do we already know all: i think not, others think differently:

    genesis Zhangsun: did you ever have an realization about something in your life Fefonz? ;) and then saw that you had always known it
    genesis Zhangsun: but it was obscured from view until a certain moment?
    Fefonz Quan: well, that's the thing, mostly when i had realization, i didn't see it before.
    genesis Zhangsun: but after you saw it, did it seem completely familiar and clear to you
    genesis Zhangsun: like aha the answer was always there but you just didn't see it
    Fefonz Quan: sometimes, and sometimes it seemmed new and beautiful
    Fefonz Quan: that's why i have difficulties with teh 'we already new it' notion

    + You can get a lesson in belly breathing by Pila here:)
    'knowing is always doing, doing is always knowing' is on the table here.

    buddha Nirvana: doing infers 'active'
    buddha Nirvana: while change is possibly a passive thing
    buddha Nirvana: it happens regardless of any intent
    Threedee Shepherd: Pila, the idea is that all doing involves doing something, which always has a component of physical bodily sensation
    Threedee Shepherd: what might be a "passive change"? That phrase sounds like an oxymoron
    Pila Mulligan: *always* has a component of physical bodily sensation?
    Pila Mulligan: sleeping on an airplane ...
    buddha Nirvana: i guess im saying that without any effort, things change

    buddha Nirvana: i think there are levels of stillness
    buddha Nirvana: just like there are components of the body/mind
    buddha Nirvana: i think stillness also occurs in layers
    buddha Nirvana: i'e - stillness of thought, stillness of sensation
    Threedee Shepherd: All thought is about things learned in relationship to the world in the broadest sense. That learning always has a physical bodily component that is imbedded in the thought/memory when it is recalled, that is, implicit motion
    And we find out that Threedee is a metaphysical dude :)

    Threedee Shepherd: because if there was *someone* non-corporeal in there, how could it communicate eith something corporeal. And also, who then is the someone inside that non-corporeal "little person" who does it's thinking, etc.
    buddha Nirvana: is the mind*
    Pila Mulligan: well, the non-corporeal someone in there communicates with the corporeal through the brain substrate, same as light communicate with the brain, by stimulating it with an external energy
    Threedee Shepherd: In a manner of speaking, buddah, yes. Or from a different perspective, the sensation of brain/body is oneness that we then artificially parcel out
    Pila Mulligan: no one else is inside the little fellow
    Threedee Shepherd: The non-corporeal must have physical aspects (matter and/or energy) to communicate with the physical brain.
    Pila Mulligan: like light , yes
    Threedee Shepherd: Light is physical
    Pila Mulligan: ok
    Pila Mulligan: so is the little fellow then
    Threedee Shepherd: and you are lost in infinite regress
    Pila Mulligan: see, you are a metaphysical dude then

    Pema Pera: the relationship between seeing and letting go is interesting.

    Bertrum Quan: Poet Galway Kinnell has a line in a poem that comes to mind: knowing death will come, sensing its onset, may be a fair price for consciousness." But it's a very big price actually--attachment is inherent in some ways and works against seeing.
    Pema Pera: unless you are not afraid of death :)

    And if that didn't make you curious, i don't know what else will.  I can promise the followed discussion lives to the promise of its beginning. 

    Eliza Madrigal: Breakthroughs happen in flashes, often not in "working" at things
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Eliza Madrigal: Or, the working at things matters because of the understructure
    Adams Dubrovna: but often when we are engaged
    Adams Dubrovna: there seems to be some need for us to struggle sometimes
    Eliza Madrigal: I agree....maybe it is the 'way' we struggle I am thinking about

    Adams Dubrovna: you mean we have good struggle and bad struggle?

    Eliza Madrigal: yes...more that...struggling with roots not branches as much
    Adams Dubrovna: keeps us engaged

    Eliza Madrigal: I think that is where we get into Play as Being and sheer appearances...dealing with the illusions as illusions...but not 'not' dealing...dealing consciously, thoughtfully, restfully even
    Adams Dubrovna: wu wei :)
    Adams Dubrovna: sometimes we gain insights through our work and we forget that often we get them by not working :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe...yes....that is really what I meant...the ground preparation makes it possible to see

    Mickorod Renard: its that monopolisation of God that brings about problems

    Storm Nordwind is a polytheist. Even as a Buddhist he sees many gods. Whereas Being... how do gods fit into Being? :)
    Storm Nordwind: Has anyone ever felt evangelical about Play as Being? Serious playful question! ;)
    Wol Euler: I have suggested it to people, yes.

    Mickorod Renard: cool,,,my surrounding family and friends just think i am nuts
    Storm Nordwind: haha!
    Storm Nordwind: An occupational hazard for the sincere seeker!

    Yeah, my favorite debated theme!
    Sylectra Darwin: I am reading a chapter called The Nature of Reality.
    Sylectra Darwin: It made me think of you, Pema.
    Sylectra Darwin: He talks of a clay pot, whose existence is dependent on someone having extracted the clay and someone having formed the clay, so it doesn't really have an existence of its own.
    Sylectra Darwin: And at the same time the other elements would be pointless without the end product of the clay pot.
    Sylectra Darwin: Does that sound familiar?
    Pema Pera: yes, codependent arising
    Pema Pera: no dance without a dancer, no dancer without a dance
    And also many reading recomendations (Literature, not Buddhist :)) follow.
    "Wol Euler was guardian for this session, which was taken up with personal matters bearing even less relation to PaB than usual."
    Could you believe it?
    sophia Placebo: quen : knowladge is a placebo to cure arrogance
    Constance Fairport: hi genesis
    genesis Zhangsun: a wisdom placebo that eventually becomes the real thing :)

    Adams Rubble: My adventures in PaB have been a thriller for me :)
    Adams Rubble: Will I find the answer to Being before becoming a raving lunatic?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: stay tuned....
    Well said, Adams!

    Mickorod Renard: but if they wont accept it ,then he will have to do it again
    Mickorod Renard: but worse
    Wol Euler: absurd
    Pila Mulligan: we don't need no thought control ....

    Solobill Laville: Right, I was up in the clouds... :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    arabella Ella: nice place to be Solo :)
    Solobill Laville: You don't get wet when it rains....
    arabella Ella: right and u could float in a state of being comfortably numb
    I remind you that these last quotes (and the title - hint hint) share something in common - it's up to you to find out why!

    Geo Netizen: Peaceful of body, peaceful of speech and with mind thoroughly stilled, the one who has rid themselves of attachment to the world is called "at peace".
    Geo Netizen: To act with a peaceful mind, is to draw happiness after oneself.

    Geo Netizen: ’May everyone be drawn to peace, kindness, and harmony through your gentleness.’
    Geo Netizen: The second part of the greeting -and good- reminds us of the source of all good.
    Geo Netizen: It is a wish for good things:
    Geo Netizen: that you experience the joy of a baby’s giggle,
    Geo Netizen: the beauty of a vibrant landscape,
    Geo Netizen: the warmth of a caring touch,
    Geo Netizen: the delights of breaking bread with friends.
    Geo Netizen: But more than just good things,
    Geo Netizen: good means a state of well-being,
    Geo Netizen: circling back to the beginning …
    Geo Netizen: a deep, clear, undisturbed lake.
    Geo Netizen: Pax et bonum !
    Beautifully phrased, praise for Geo.
    Then Pema gives a modern version for the Boddhisatva path:
    Pema Pera: the wish to attain complete enlightenment (that is, Buddhahood) in order to be of benefit to all sentient beings
    Pema Pera: or the instructions in airplanes: after dropping away of aircabine pressure, first put the oxygen mask on your own face, before trying to help others

    Other sayings i find less aggreeable:
    Threedee Shepherd: So, I will not insist on wavelength change ^.^ I must note however, that if Shalom and Salaam meant the same thing the Middle East would be a very different place.
    I strongly beg to differ! Maybe Threedee should get a chat with me one of these days to discuss those issues.

    Threedee question about Happines and definitions follows to ideas for another theme session:

    Pila Mulligan: humble monk v. cranky old guy -- 10 rounds at PaB -- in search of peace and happiness :) be there

    and finally another theme session is announced:
    Pema Pera: Tuesday, 7 pm SLT, Geo & Threedee: How can the experiential be formally communicate to another using the experience of peace and happiness as examples


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